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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 7:21pm On Jul 31, 2018
yemmit90:
Being awhile i took part in this type of discussion. If you are here argueing with Atheists or Deists, you are simply wasting your time because you can never have require facts to backup your claims.

We are simply what we believed. Serving God or not have nothing to do with your existence. Although, religions give hope upon hope with no hope of when and how to fulfil them. Human need more wisdoms and ability to exploit nature than they needs prayers or worshiping a particular god. The fact is that, if you dont act, no amount of paryers can solve your problems.

Every problem ever knows to humanity have a solution,it is only left for us to use our natural talents and wisdoms to discover these solutions.
good contribution sir. Thank you
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Severus8t(m): 3:52pm On Aug 15, 2018
johnydon22:


Current girl friend is an atheist, A popular one here on Nairaland at that... I'm a lucky bastard grin

For my kids i intend to raise them free, they won't be atheists or theists, rather maintain that default stance we all have from birth which is Pure agnosticism.

When they grow to the age of reason they can develop their own ideas not feed them my own ideas
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Severus8t(m): 3:55pm On Aug 15, 2018
johnydon22:


Frosbel's case is really a very good case study here how dangerous it is for any religious person to encounter atheists no matter how strong they think their belief is..

frosbel is a good example

We all at one point were top notch core religionists and theists but along the line the thunder struck..wink

Frosbel was one top debater against atheists here on NL, we don't have anybody here now that can match that, his aggressiveness during his days.. He was a pain then, i only watched as a guest then though.

then slowly the emergence of reason started, the little seeds of doubt and question his endless encounters with atheists culminated and germinated into a tree..

even though they might sound aggressive and all that, it is expected for a dearly held idea to be aggressive towards a new contradicting one but some things never remain same.

some way along the line, it may take years but they will one day ask one question as an effect from the debates with atheists.

and from there the slow painful and lonely hard journey begins ...

thats why i always maintain: it's dangerous for anyone with a belief in deities to debate an atheist, it might take a very long time but that tiny mustered seed of doubt must be planted.

so when debating, do not argue to win an argument or argue endlessly, it is needless and infantile..

Simple make your points and be done with it, all needed is just 1 tiny seed of doubt, natural curiosity takes over..

the result is always ......... You know it




right on track
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gentlezypher: 12:27am On Aug 29, 2018
until it is proven beyond all doubt that there is no God, A GOD exists!!
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 12:44am On Aug 29, 2018
well humans do not understand what they believe or doubt in, for me life itself is a religion. Whatever you hold on to or believe in simply becomes your RELIGION! Those self-acclaimed atheist do not know that atheism is fast becoming a religion because many people are believing in it. Therefore any theory that has to do with belief is RELIGION, so for me atheists are really confusing and contradicting themselves.
Conclusively "I rather be a godly man than a religious man," thanks..
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frank317: 7:24am On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
well humans do not understand what they believe or doubt in, for me life itself is a religion. Whatever you hold on to or believe in simply becomes your RELIGION! Those self-acclaimed atheist do not know that atheism is fast becoming a religion because many people are believing in it. Therefore any theory that has to do with belief is RELIGION, so for me atheists are really confusing and contradicting themselves.
Conclusively "I rather be a godly man than a religious man," thanks..

I fail to get ur point... Atheism being a religion or not does not prove any God exists. Now that u have decided to be a godly man, kindly show us prove of ur God. Simple.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 7:50am On Aug 29, 2018
gentlezypher:
until it is proven beyond all doubt that there is no God, A GOD exists!!
I guess i can also say 'until it is proven beyond all doubt that there is no Zeus, no spiderman, no harrypotter, no gwagwa (by the way gwagwa created Yahweh ), then they all exist!!!!

Now you see how silly your assertion is? If you still dont see it then something is seriously wrong with you. Either you are very dumb or insincere
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 7:56am On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
well humans do not understand what they believe or doubt in, for me life itself is a religion. Whatever you hold on to or believe in simply becomes your RELIGION! Those self-acclaimed atheist do not know that atheism is fast becoming a religion because many people are believing in it. Therefore any theory that has to do with belief is RELIGION, so for me atheists are really confusing and contradicting themselves.
Conclusively "I rather be a godly man than a religious man," thanks..
This most be the most silly comment i have read in a long time. Why? The writer tries to sound intelligent but ends up making no sense.
The contention between atheists and theists has been the god at the center of all religions. You dont see atheist takling cults even though religion and cults have similar structures. You think you are excluded and special by claiming to be a godly man which puts you in a very precarious position.

Now lets talk.

What does it mean to be godly? What makes a godly man be a man on the right track?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 7:58am On Aug 29, 2018
frank317:


I fail to get ur point... Atheism being a religion or not does not prove any God exists. Now that u have decided to be a godly man, kindly show us prove of ur God. Simple.
as far as I know atheism the religion of atheist have failed woefully to prove that spiritual powers and Beings do not exist if they have, I suggest they explain more on juju, 'odenshi' etc. Atheists contradict themselves as humans, they will alway hold on something to believe in hence atheisms. Like I said any term that deals with belief is religion..
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gentlezypher: 8:00am On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:

I guess i can also say 'until it is proven beyond all doubt that there is no Zeus, no spiderman, no harrypotter, no gwagwa (by the way gwagwa created Yahweh ), then they all exist!!!!

Now you see how silly your assertion is? If you still dont see it then something is seriously wrong with you. Either you are very dumb or insincere
lol i never insulted you on your belief,but you are insulting me,so whats difference between you and those you condemned on your thread earlier,Mr?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 8:12am On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:

This most be the most silly comment i have read in a long time. Why? The writer tries to sound intelligent but ends up making no sense.
The contention between atheists and theists has been the god at the center of all religions. You dont see atheist takling cults even though religion and cults have similar structures. You think you are excluded and special by claiming to be a godly man which puts you in a very precarious position.

Now lets talk.

What does it mean to be godly? What makes a godly man be a man on the right track?
There is a big different between a religious man and godly man, the religious man is very overzealous, selfish, claims to be perfect and twist things to his own way for a particular selfish reason while a godly man is the exact opposite of the above! He is a man of his words, selfless, a good man but not perfect, does not RELY on a pastor or imam's explaination unlike the religious man who will even be told that 'his parents are evil and against his success' and he will expect it wholeheartedly..
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 8:12am On Aug 29, 2018
gentlezypher:
lol i never insulted you on your belief,but you are insulting me,so whats difference between you and those you condemned on your thread earlier,Mr?
oh! How did i insult you? Pardon me if you think i did, but this is just another indication of your poor comprehension.

... i said if you cant understand what i wrote then you are dumb or insincere. The question now is do you understand my counter-claim or not
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 8:14am On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
There is a big different between a religious man and godly man, the religious man is very overzealous, selfish, claims to be perfect and twist things to his own way for a particular selfish reason while a godly man is the exact opposite of the above! He is a man of his words, selfless, a good man but not perfect, does not RELY on a pastor or imam's explaination unlike the religious man who will even be told that 'his parents are evil and against his success' and he will expect it wholeheartedly..
ok, accepted. You are a godly man, do you have a particular way of life and what determines this way of life?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gentlezypher: 8:29am On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:
oh! How did i insult you? Pardon me if you think i did, but this is just another indication of your poor comprehension.

... i said if you cant understand what i wrote then you are dumb or insincere. The question now is do you understand my counter-claim or not
dont you think you are confused? You said you do discuss with the holy spirit and you also affirmed that God himself spoke to you twice, how then do you come out to say those you do have discussions with and hear from never existed
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 8:30am On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:
ok, accepted. You are a godly man, do you have a particular way of life and what determines this way of life?
yes I believe in 'live and let live' and I have principles that makes me work towards becoming the REAL ME and I am not perfect cool
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 8:58am On Aug 29, 2018
gentlezypher:
dont you think you are confused? You said you do discuss with the holy spirit and you also affirmed that God himself spoke to you twice, how then do you come out to say those you do have discussions with and hear from never existed
good questions. The voice of God you think you hear is your own voice, just got to realize that. Our subconscious is real. Your lungs work autonomously to keep you alive but you can consciously control your breathing too. That is how our minds work too. Your subconscious is what make you afraid of certain things or in love with certain things. It controls your dreams and a good share of your thoughts. There is nothing supernatural about it. It is just a way for your brain to filter out information you take in everyday and only prioritise what you are concious of, while the rest which makes even the bulk are shifted to your subconscious. Those who have trust issues e.g think someone is their enemy or a witch etc have this thought because the person they think is their enemy fits a profile of a witch which is registered in their subconscious. This makes them dream about such a person and they think such dream is from God.

Interestingly most times your subconcious warns you based on past profiling which makes it fairly accurate in helping you sense danger to a fair degree of accuracy. This is why people would say 'something told me'. That 'something' is our subconscious. Many wld say it is God, some holy spirit, what ever you call it, it is still your subconscious.

How do i know? Because it cannot answer questions an omniscient god should be able to answer. That is why many christians would tell you only god knows the answer to certain question despite claiming God lives in them and talks to them.

Do you get it now?

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 8:59am On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
yes I believe in 'live and let live' and I have principles that makes me work towards becoming the REAL ME and I am not perfect cool
do you believe in god?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 12:38pm On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:
do you believe in god?
I believe in the existence of a super-natural being cool
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Seun(m): 12:41pm On Aug 29, 2018
johnydon22:
Current girl friend is an atheist, A popular one here on Nairaland at that... I'm a lucky bastard grin
Yep.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frank317: 1:11pm On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
as far as I know atheism the religion of atheist have failed woefully to prove that spiritual powers and Beings do not exist if they have, I suggest they explain more on juju, 'odenshi' etc. Atheists contradict themselves as humans, they will alway hold on something to believe in hence atheisms. Like I said any term that deals with belief is religion..

Spiritual powers do not exist... If u can show us one pls do sir.

Juju and adenshi are just a haux... Non have been proven to exist.

If you think Atheism is a religion good for you... Arguing on weather athesim is a religion or not is the most useless argument since Atheism being a religion does not prove God.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:15pm On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
I believe in the existence of a super-natural being cool
tell me about this being. What do you know about it
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:16pm On Aug 29, 2018
frank317:


Spiritual powers do not exist... If u can show us one pls do sir.

Juju and adenshi are just a haux... Non have been proven to exist.

If you think Atheism is a religion good for you... Arguing on weather athesim is a religion or not is the most useless argument since Atheism being a religion does not prove God.
pls dont attack him, he could actually have evidence.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:40pm On Aug 29, 2018
frankfrancis871:
as far as I know atheism the religion of atheist have failed woefully to prove that spiritual powers and Beings do not exist if they have, I suggest they explain more on juju, 'odenshi' etc. Atheists contradict themselves as humans, they will alway hold on something to believe in hence atheisms. Like I said any term that deals with belief is religion..
wow! Somehow i missed this comment. Wow! And i thought you had some sense. End of discussion with you. Got no time for morons. This is the very reason why i dont play nice with you guys. You dont have an iota of sense to argue reasonable and defend god with truth and sincerity.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:42pm On Aug 29, 2018
frank317:


Spiritual powers do not exist... If u can show us one pls do sir.

Juju and adenshi are just a haux... Non have been proven to exist.

If you think Atheism is a religion good for you... Arguing on weather athesim is a religion or not is the most useless argument since Atheism being a religion does not prove God.
frank, i sincerely apologise to you just saw his stvpid post, thought he wanted to even present a good argument for his belief. No point engaging him any further. These chaps are zombified lunatics.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Martinez19(m): 3:09pm On Aug 29, 2018
gentlezypher:
until it is proven beyond all doubt that there is no God, A GOD exists!!
.

Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Martinez19(m): 3:20pm On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:

This most be the most silly comment i have read in a long time. Why? The writer tries to sound intelligent but ends up making no sense.
The contention between atheists and theists has been the god at the center of all religions. You dont see atheist takling cults even though religion and cults have similar structures. You think you are excluded and special by claiming to be a godly man which puts you in a very precarious position.

Now lets talk.

What does it mean to be godly? What makes a godly man be a man on the right track?
All he needs is a good dictionary.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frankfrancis871: 3:23pm On Aug 29, 2018
HardMirror:
wow! Somehow i missed this comment. Wow! And i thought you had some sense. End of discussion with you. Got no time for morons. This is the very reason why i dont play nice with you guys. You dont have an iota of sense to argue reasonable and defend god with truth and sincerity.
ok that's good grin
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by engrelvis(m): 6:00am On Aug 31, 2018
zionmde:

my profession is fully scientific. So come of all that Science negates religion. I once asked my professor, only one thing fails the 2nd law of thermodynamics and that is life. Why? That was where school dismissed
I am a Christian I am hardworking, I sleep less than 4hrs everyday, yes I tithe, help people that can't pay me back.
The ways of God cannot be analyzed through our human understanding. if ur mind cannot comprehend the beginning of life, why do u think u can understand God's way
Am proud to be a Christian
If not for Christianity I would have been dead by now
So if I am alive because I believe in God, I owe my life to following God.
About emotions, I hardly have or show any. People around me will tell u better
y r u people wasting yr time trying to reason with these atheist? Yes some pastors r bad fleecing money from gullible followers , performing fake miracles,sexually molesting their followers.poverty n starvation killing people every.Vulnerable n helpless people being oppressed n killed everyday.All these are very correct.but God ways r nt our ways.God dnt reason d way we r.Atheist need to understand dis.l believe op is still very young.Towards his old age I will luv to know his thinking.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by GasAndOilTheory(m): 11:49am On Aug 31, 2018
Alphanancy:
Hmmmnn... Op please continue and while you are at it, do well to ignore those who still live in delusion. I mean the christians. I gave up on christianity few months ago after being born again for over 20years. Though i still believe in the existence of a supreme being/creator
if there is any at all I am 100% sure he isn't interested in human activity except that we entertain them. So it's best to say there is no such thing as Supreme being
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by CAPSLOCKED: 12:41pm On Aug 31, 2018
Strawman:
Nothing you type on Nairaland will alter anybody's religious beliefs even in the slightest.
Just saying...


YOU DON'T SAY! THIS THREAD AND MANY OTHER POSTS ON THIS FORUM AND ON THE INTERNET IN GENERAL IS SIMPLY "ATTEMPTING" TO UNLOCK THE CAGES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
THE FINAL STRING WHICH HELD ME TO THE FAITH WAS CUT ON THIS THREAD.
NOT BECAUSE I BELIEVED HARDMIRROR'S EXPERIENCE BUT GOING THROUGH THIS THREAD SHOWED ME HOW PEOPLE LIKED TO COVER UP, FAKE THINGS AND POINT TO THINGS THAT AREN'T EVEN THERE.
RELIGIONS ARE ALWAYS HIDING SOMETHING. ALWAYS TEACHING YOU NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT BELIEVE, WHY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW.

IF IT ASKS YOU NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT JUST BLINDLY ACCEPT EVERYTHING THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IT'S HIDING, AND IF IT'S HIDING SOMETHING THEN IT'S NOT TRUE.
DO NOT JUST BELIEVE, KNOW.

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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by engrelvis(m): 10:54am On Sep 01, 2018
yemmit90:
Being awhile i took part in this type of discussion. If you are here argueing with Atheists or Deists, you are simply wasting your time because you can never have require facts to backup your claims.

We are simply what we believed. Serving God or not have nothing to do with your existence. Although, religions give hope upon hope with no hope of when and how to fulfil them. Human need more wisdoms and ability to exploit nature than they needs prayers or worshiping a particular god. The fact is that, if you dont act, no amount of paryers can solve your problems.

Every problem ever knows to humanity have a solution,it is only left for us to use our natural talents and wisdoms to discover these solutions.
u r missing d points.i dnt v issue with yr beautiful points n aurguements.They r perfect.but d issue I v with op is saying God dnt exist .

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