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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:02pm On Dec 07, 2016 |
DeepSight: Christ will voluntarily become subject to the Father though they are equals when he comes to reign on earth . D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” The bible's use of "The Son" is to show Christ's willful submission to co-equal , his father , as a subaltern - a subordinate , lower status - because He is now of human nature or demigod whichever one you chose . And his human nature precluded full divinity like His Father , God , so he has to pray to God , give thanks to God , make requests to God . Its all about humility . Its about showing his qualities which includes wisdom and understanding that he needs to live a life worthy of emulation . And of course to fulfill his mission as a good shepherd who loves his sheep and is willing to lay his life for them . D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation]. Christ sitting as God's right hand here shows that He is equal in power and authority as The Father and has the power and authority to subdue His enemies D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used]. "Only Begotten" here refers to Christ's incarnation in human flesh through the Holy Spirit . That means there is no one who had gone through this process and there will never be anyone who will incarnate as human as Christ did . Christ is unique , He is as divine as The Father , He is God who manifested in human flesh ergo Yahweh is His Father . D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One." That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by ifenes(m): 10:09pm On Dec 07, 2016 |
Good job Deepsight! |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:13pm On Dec 07, 2016 |
ifenes: He believes in God |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by ifenes(m): 10:40pm On Dec 07, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Of course he does....but he is not ignorant 1 Like |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:47pm On Dec 07, 2016 |
ifenes: I know he is not ignorant and not because he rejected Christ as God . 1 Like |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 3:26am On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbukasBlog: It is really benumbing how you have taken each verse and happily, and with conviction, ascribed to it the direct opposite of what it says. I would have been shocked by what you have laid out had I not been already used to such from Christians for many years now. I can only hope that someday you will return to read all your own responses to these verses and see for yourself how you have assaulted them and turned them on their heads in a bid to force the Trinity into existence. However from experience I also know that such a day is not likely to ever come. Therefore I leave this matter of the Trinity to you and your desire: Christ did not claim to be God: and if you can look at pointed verses where he makes that clear and still show that you have no regard for his words by almost calling him a liar and twisting his words to the exact opposite: then let this matter of the Trinity rest: I would have delved further to explain this or that point: but what you have made of these verses shows me that that would be futile. For even if he said point blank: "I am not God:" (which he virtually did severally) it is obvious you would reply that that was him in the flesh form speaking only: or something of the sort. I do hope you know that your claims blaspheme the God you claim to serve though. Let us therefore discuss other areas of interest as may pertain to your thread. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by MrMontella(m): 3:51am On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:sorry for intruding.. Its just a simple question.. When you say ''Thank God'' which of the Gods are you thanking? And who is the ''Paster Noster'' directed to? |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:57am On Dec 08, 2016 |
MrMontella: Thank God = Thanking Trinity |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:03am On Dec 08, 2016 |
DeepSight: One more thing before we continue sir Explain these verses please John 8:58 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 11:7 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. Genesis 3:22 22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. I just really want to know what you think about them . Thanks |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 1:18pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
ifenes:Good job Deepsight ? What he is doing to that poor child is child abuse. He should be ashamed of himself. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 1:21pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You mean buy 1 god and get 2 for free ? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:34pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: I mean this
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:35pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: I believe I'm putting up a good fight |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 2:03pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by MrPresident1: 2:11pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: Tell me Plaetton, which describes you better, an irreligious person, or a godless person? |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:12pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: This verse is an indication that he existed in eternity before Abraham's earthly sojourn, no? You should see here that there are different perceptions of the correct translation of that verse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_eimi Although attempts have been made to insist that it is a claim that he was God, this is not so. The wording only shows that he says that he exists in eternity before any earthly Abraham, and indeed before any earthly being. Now let me ask you: how does this make him God? Do you not know that many beings exist in eternity before any earthly Abraham and before any earthly being? Do you not know that you and I count among these as well? This does not translate to being God, especially when taken together with all of his other statements in reference to God, many of which I listed for you which you insisted meant the direct opposite of what they clearly said. Light research should show you that the words "I am" there, at all events could read "I exist" or "I have been". Capitalizing those words is not something that exists in the texts but is only done by some translators. See contrary and extensive views and interpretation of the verse here - http://bibleanswerstand.org/before.htm You should read carefully the arguments out forward here as well - http://bibleq.net/answer/447/ See also Islamic objections - http://www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm You can thus see that there are different views on the rendition of that verse. For me, it is reasonable to stick with the rendition which aligns with all of Jesus' words - and those words incontrovertibly show that he is not God. Most striking in this regard is the prayer in the garden of Gethsemane - which perhaps I will touch upon in a different post. For that prayer showed the possibility of a dichotomy of wills between Jesus and God where he says "nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt". The whole prayer in Gethsemane is enough to end this discussion on its own. Genesis 1:26 I have told you that the plural used here is no ground for the Trinity. In the first place there is the common plural of royalty, which is often used for an all encompassing being such as God (and even for earthly sovereigns). The Quoran for example always uses the plural of royalty in referring to Allah. This does not mean that it is not very strictly monotheistic. Secondly I also mentioned to you that it is a host of gods that embarked on this experiment of Earth and Man. Not the ultimate almighty God who is responsible for all reality and existence. The "Elohim." were a race of a higher intelligence that created the Earth and Man. This is the real reason for those plurals you see, but this may be going too far for you. For now, just understand that the plural of royalty is normal for a deity or sovereign. It is used as such in the Quoran in reference to Allah all the time. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:13pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: There is no fight here o, nah gentle brotherly sharing of views, howbeit we very naturally have different views. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by jonbellion(m): 2:14pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:lol
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by MrPresident1: 2:17pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by jonbellion(m): 2:20pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:lol I dey come
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by MrPresident1: 2:21pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
jonbellion: We are all waiting for you |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 2:28pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Neither. I am a natural, free, mentally SOVEREIGN human being. Both Religion and god are artificial, man-made constructs. I refuse to define myself within those shallow, superficial boundaries. For example, to define myself as GODLESS , I would first have to acknowledge that there is such a thing as god,..and I don't. I cannot have less of what doesn't exist,..at least in my universe. Likewise, to say that I am IRRELIGIOUS is to presume that being religious is a natural default state,.. which it is not. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:31pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
[Deep Sight:] You may choose to interest yourself in this as some preliminary reading as per the Elohim. http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/elohim-race-et If it looks like gibberish to you, don't worry, just scratch it. We can revisit it another day. But you should note that there are a great many pointers in the Old testament to the likelihood that the Elohim were really a race of super intelligent extra-terrestrial creators. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 2:32pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
DeepSight:Drowning a poor dumb lad in a poodle of word-salads is not only a fight, but an unfair one. Shame on you , Depardo. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:34pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: No, it doesn't presume that: how does it? Being irreligious is just that: not subscribing to any religion. It in no way insinuates any suggestion of accepting that being religious is a default state. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:36pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: He is not a dumb lad: he is merely too deeply steeped in his doctrine to even see what is written in scripture. It happens to many Christians. They reject scripture outright in favour of their doctrine all the time. It's quite normal. in a poodle of word-salads is not only a fight, but an unfair one. For the salad is the word. . . . and most meet and right to refresh the soul and mind. . . . 2 Likes |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 2:38pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
DeepSight:It's similar to asking you if you describe yourself as a non-clown or an un-insane person. It presumes that both tendencies are the default states. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:38pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
DeepSight: I know of the Elohims and the atheist movement -Raelism - who are proponents of Intelligent Design . I mentioned them on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion I downloaded their books on their website few days ago But the Raelians can't say how life ultimately began . |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:42pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
^^^ I hold that view Rael or no: I do not derive that view from Rael. Just referencing. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:43pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
plaetton: No it is not. And you know that. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by plaetton: 2:44pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
DeepSight: Lol. That's the Beauty, or should I say, Insanity of religious beliefs. quote author=DeepSight post=51744632] For the salad is the word. . . . and most meet and right to refresh the soul and mind. . . . [/quote] Now you're talking. |
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 2:45pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I think you should stop posting this very dangerous image, which poses potentially serious threats to world peace especially on this board. |
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