mrmrmister:


And who the hell are you to see the bitterness in someone's soul?
What the exactly do you feel like?
Some holy spotless being?
Shame on you!

By their fruits ye shall know them. His vitriolic comments on his threads and posts prove me right.

say somethibg else.

hopefulLandlord:


if the Christians say one is bitter, that person don't even have the right to not be bitter because they say he's bitter.

Honestly,
I don't know what that religion makes them feel like
They always act like they're better than and can condemn everyone else,
Very disgusting

naijadeyhia:



By their fruits ye shall know them. His vitriolic comments on his threads and posts prove me right.

say somethibg else.

Pls shut the hell up
And ask God to give you wisdom
You greatly lack it.

mrmrmister:


Pls shut the hell up
And ask God to give you wisdom
You greatly lack it.

So now an atheist thinks I should ask God for wisdom? How sad on a major scale.

Since you are on the God subject why not break protocol and ask him for spiritual sight.

naijadeyhia:


So now an atheist thinks I should ask God for wisdom? How sad on a major scale.

Since you are on the God subject why not break protocol and ask him for spiritual sight.

I told you to ask him cause you believe in him
And honestly, you could really use some wisdom right now

mrmrmister:

I told you to ask him cause you believe in him And honestly, you could really use some wisdom right now

what manner of foolishness doth the roots in you have?

naijadeyhia:



what manner of foolishness doth the roots in you have?

You lack wisdom!
Ciao

hahn:
Prayer is useless

Even if WISDOM rapes u, u will sill be foolish...

mrmrmister:

You lack wisdom! Ciao

You lack spiritual sight plus wisdom.
Ciao.

akintom:
Prayer

Prayer (from the Latin precari "to ask earnestly, beg, entreat" is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication.

Prayer can be a form of religious practice , may be either individual or communal and take place in public or in private. It may involve the use of words, song or complete silence. When language is used, prayer may take the form of a hymn , incantation, formal creedal statement, or a spontaneous utterance in the praying person.

There are different forms of prayer such as petitionary prayer, prayers of supplication, thanksgiving, and praise. Prayer may be directed towards a deity , spirit, deceased person, or lofty idea, for the purpose of worshipping, requesting guidance , requesting assistance, confessing transgressions ( sins) or to express one's thoughts and emotions.

Thus, people pray for many reasons such as personal benefit, asking for divine grace , spiritual connection, or for the sake of others.
.................................................................................................................

Back in the days, in school, it was common to pray for examination success in this format:

* We prayed for spirit of understanding,
* retentive memory,
* anoint pen and fingers,
* command the lecturer to come under the influence of the Holy Spirit,
* bind the spirit of forgetfulness,
* bind the spirit behind lost answer booklet,
* bind the spirit of error etc

Now, i look back on those days of religious idiocy, and can't but chuckle, and ask myself - what was that crap!

Prayer is such an arrant gibberish, that portrays those who practice it, as someone beside themselves.

Prayer is variant of soliloquizing, with a significant characteristics of schizophrenia, dementia and delusion.

If not,

* how can someone be asking for retentive memory, when the memory is known to function that way normally?

* How can someone be praying to God of fertility, when the land will naturally be fertile?

* How can someone be praying for a job, when the process of employment is known?

* How can someone be praying for success, when the principles that govern success is known?

* How can someone be praying for good governance, when that responsibility rest on the leaders and followers?

It's a pitiable site to behold, when folks, alone or congregate to waste their time and energy, by indulging in:
*shouting,
*crying,
* moaning,
*hysteria,
*shaking of head, hand etc

All for nothing. Other than for the purpose of religious self fooling.

Prayer is the Master key, not only key. You can pray and plan. It's called multitasking duh.

Image123:


Prayer is the Master key, not only key. You can pray and plan. It's called multitasking duh.

with all his planning he is still an employee while some us with prayer and planning are employers of labour. He should go and ask Carlos Slim and Bill gates who keep playing tag with being worlds richest men.

akintom:
Prayer

Prayer (from the Latin precari "to ask earnestly, beg, entreat" is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication.

Prayer can be a form of religious practice , may be either individual or communal and take place in public or in private. It may involve the use of words, song or complete silence. When language is used, prayer may take the form of a hymn , incantation, formal creedal statement, or a spontaneous utterance in the praying person.

There are different forms of prayer such as petitionary prayer, prayers of supplication, thanksgiving, and praise. Prayer may be directed towards a deity , spirit, deceased person, or lofty idea, for the purpose of worshipping, requesting guidance , requesting assistance, confessing transgressions ( sins) or to express one's thoughts and emotions.

Thus, people pray for many reasons such as personal benefit, asking for divine grace , spiritual connection, or for the sake of others.
.................................................................................................................

Back in the days, in school, it was common to pray for examination success in this format:

* We prayed for spirit of understanding,
* retentive memory,
* anoint pen and fingers,
* command the lecturer to come under the influence of the Holy Spirit,
* bind the spirit of forgetfulness,
* bind the spirit behind lost answer booklet,
* bind the spirit of error etc

Now, i look back on those days of religious idiocy, and can't but chuckle, and ask myself - what was that crap!

Prayer is such an arrant gibberish, that portrays those who practice it, as someone beside themselves.

Prayer is variant of soliloquizing, with a significant characteristics of schizophrenia, dementia and delusion.

If not,

* how can someone be asking for retentive memory, when the memory is known to function that way normally?

* How can someone be praying to God of fertility, when the land will naturally be fertile?

* How can someone be praying for a job, when the process of employment is known?

* How can someone be praying for success, when the principles that govern success is known?

* How can someone be praying for good governance, when that responsibility rest on the leaders and followers?

It's a pitiable site to behold, when folks, alone or congregate to waste their time and energy, by indulging in:
*shouting,
*crying,
* moaning,
*hysteria,
*shaking of head, hand etc

All for nothing. Other than for the purpose of religious self fooling.

please can you explain to me. what wind the wind. what power controls the wind.

If prayer works [though they don't] Someone should remind me again why you need to remind an all knowing being that you need help OR plead with an all loving being before it decides to help you..

Prayer is like a wish, i too also make wishes but wishes are nothing more than wishes - they only come true if you work for them.

You may pray/wish for rain and it rains but yet it also rains whether you pray/wish for it.

The philosopher Xun Zi [China 312 - 230BC] once remarked..

"Pray all you want, heaven can't hear you. It's not going to stop the winter cus you are cold neither is it going to make the earth smaller cus you don't want to walk so far.

You pray for rain and it rains but your prayer has nothing to do with it cus whether you pray or not it still rains anyway.

If you act wisely good things tend to happen, act foolishly and bad things follow - Don't thank or curse heaven cus it has nothing to do with it, its just the natural effects of your own actions.

If you want to better yourself, educate yourself and think carefully about the consequencies of your actions."

Prayer like wishes can induce a sense of hope and comfort that can help people get over difficult situation since they believe they are being looked after, this profound and sincere hopes even though based on a fantasy i think is not all bad or needed to be eroded - sometimes it is necessary and many rely on it - and i won't be so fast or blunt enough to take that away from people.

Prayer serves no purpose, God has no mind that prayer can change..whatever is destined to happen willl happen..Only time know that..some people dont know who they are..thats why they still find religion a thril..We are Gods on a human journey. we can say and put our mind to something and it will come to pass..
please it is good we really read positive books that will impact our life , not dwell of jewish and roman fairy tales..."the power of positive thinking" comes to mind..what religion and prayer does is waste your time.

WinningSun:


please can you explain to me. what wind the wind. what power controls the wind.

Difference in atmospheric pressure causes wind - nothing more than that, so i wonder which powers you are looking for..

naijadeyhia:



Shut your bitter lying mouth you 6am lie pundit.

Where has Prayer hindered development of discoveries? How do you even reason?

Has bitterness so eroded your ability to think?

Missionaries came here to africa to remove the shackles of the dark ages from us so we can become creative and some of the best inventors and doctors and workers out there are africans and religious yet they pray and plan.

what kind of reasoning does this guy have bikonu

chaiiii!!!!
Akinton are you gonna take this from him??
Naijadeyhia go to church and stop doing jesus' warrior and Jesus avenger upandan
He's right prayer serves no purpose
It is as flaccid as a 95 year old er*ction and as infertile as a 95 year old spermotazoa
Forget Abraham I know he was around that age or older than that but this is the real world

From my own findings, I realised prayer is just as redundant as the p in psychology. It's arrant waste of time...

Many theists' comments here, especially that of naijadeyhia, concluded that, they plan and pray, one doesn't hinder the other.

But that's not the thrust of my thread.

Am saying that prayer, is unwarranted idiocy and waste of time, by those who engage in it.

This is it....

If 1+0 = 1

And 1 - 0 = 1

Therefore, 1=1,

and 0 = 0 (irrelevant)

Now,

If Plan + prayer = plan

And plan - prayer = plan

Therefore, plan = plan,

And prayer = 0 (irrelevant factor)

What will be will be. Why pray?
Its better to invest that energy and time doing something productive rather than wasting it on prayers.

Let me make it clear for the religious folks using what they already know from their buybul....it is explicitly stated in numerous places: "God is not a man"...so i wonder what God uses to hear them..the only way to communicate with God is through an Oracle..

prayer entails the idea of attempting to make an allegedly omniscient entity aware of something. It also involves messing with an allegedly divine plan, and divine plan or indirectly arguing that the person praying could somehow improve upon God's intent or design.
Lol comedy
Godbotherers never seem to consider that their constant pleading of God might piss him off.
Help me with my body odour even though I have bad hygiene
Help me find my car keys even though I'm careless
Make me better in bed even though I don't practice
Help me with my test even though i didn't read

johnydon22:


Difference in atmospheric pressure causes wind - nothing more than that, so i wonder which powers you are looking for..

you are still saying the same thing. what affect atmospheric pressure. what wind the wind.

naijadeyhia:
Prayer is an act of faith.

Mathew 26:41...

WATCH AND PRAY SO THAT YOU DO NOT FALL INTO DIVERSE TEMPTATIONS

James 2:14-26 King James Version (KJV)
What doth it profit, my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith, and have
not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and
destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart
in peace, be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those
things which are needful to the body; what
doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is
dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,
and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my
faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God;
thou doest well: the devils also believe,
and tremble.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that
faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified
by works, when he had offered Isaac his
son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his
works, and by works was faith made
perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which
saith, Abraham believed God, and it was
imputed unto him for righteousness: and
he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is
justified, and not by faith only.
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot
justified by works, when she had received
the messengers, and had sent them out
another way?
For as the body without the spirit is
dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We as believers are taught faith with works. I suppose you have the ability to see into your future so can plan to avoid bad situations right? If this were possible then even the rich would not be feeling the heat from the world recession and people would not be sacked without reason and babies would not be born without deformities and nobody would die through accidents ....

afterall planning is all they needed right?

Thread is DOA.

Prayer, like the OP stated, is a deluded mixture of phobia, dimentia, schizophrenia, and,..and what's the other words ?

jonbellion:
prayer entails the idea of attempting to make an allegedly omniscient entity aware of something. It also involves messing with an allegedly divine plan, and divine plan or indirectly arguing that the person praying could somehow improve upon God's intent or design.
Lol comedy
Godbotherers never seem to consider that their constant pleading of God might piss him off.
Help me with my body odour even though I have bad hygiene
Help me find my car keys even though I'm careless
Make me better in bed even though I don't practice
Help me with my test even though i didn't read

And,
Let thy will be done,but, but please alter it just for me.

plaetton:


And,
Let thy will be done,but, but please alter it just for me.

chaiii
See obvious paradox
How christians don't realise this is beyond me

plaetton:

Prayer, like the OP stated, is a deluded mixture of phobia, dimentia, schizophrenia, and,..and what's the other words ?

Prayer actually soothes the mind and stimulates peace psychologically...You can ask your shrink. But thats not where we are headed. Spiritually speaking Prayer is Faith (You) Talking to Faith (God). Its not just words because it has a Principle and a foundation.

The disciples asked Jesus to teach them to Pray and Jesus said WHEN YOU PRAY YOU SAY..... He then taught them the principle. Dont get it twisted alright? When you do as someone who does not believe God exists thats what you need shrinks for who get paid off your ignorance.

jonbellion:
chaiii
See obvious paradox
How christians don't realise this is beyond me

hopefulLandlord:
Amazing Thread!

prayer just gives some kind of psychological "confidence" in face of uncertainty which might be effective on the surface BUT that "confidence" is usually all you needed in the first place

Prayer is like betting to a chronic gambler, you'll never hear them talk about their losses

you'll hear them give testimonies about how prayers helped them overcome a problem but dig a bit deeper and you'll most likely see that a lot of other factors were responsible for that

people who claim prayer works don't know or feign negligence about the laws of probability

Amazing thread indeed.

I like to write from personal experience.
And I can tell you, I really , sincerely feel sorry for many of the Christians, friends and family , that I come in contact with everyday.
I feel sorry for them in the way I would feel sorry for a compulsive gambler, someone who gambles everyday, hoping that his/her luck would shine on the next bet.

I also feel sorry for them in the same way I would feel for opium or crack addicts that can't get through the day without a fix.
There is nothing so ridiculous that I haven't seen concerning prayers.
And this has to be one of the reasons I loathe religion sooo much: how it drains the living spirit right out of people.

I see so many prayer addicts around me. I pity them so much that I wish there was a prayer recovery therapy or rehab that are available to help these people, if at all they can agree that they need help.

I have concluded long ago, and I opened a thread about it, that prayers are more about DOUBTS than they are about the so-called faith.
In fact, by definition, prayer and faith contradict each other, and should not co-exist.

Prayer showcases the inner psychology of faith , and reveals the big surprise that Faith = Doubts + Fear.

There is nothing more contradictory and pathetic about religious faith than Prayers.

plaetton:

Amazing thread indeed.

I like to write from personal experience.
And I can tell you, I really , sincerely feel sorry for many of the Christians, friends and family , that I come in contact with everyday.
I feel sorry for them in the way I would feel sorry for a compulsive gambler, someone who gambles everyday, hoping that his/her luck would shine on the next bet.

I also feel sorry for them in the same way I would feel for opium or crack addicts that can't get through the day without a fix.
There is nothing so ridiculous that I haven't seen concerning prayers.
And this has to be one of the reasons I loathe religion sooo much: how it drains the living spirit right out of people.

I see so many prayer addicts around me. I pity them so much that I wish there was a prayer recovery therapy or rehab that are available to help these people, if at all they can agree that they need help.

I have conclusion long ago, and I opened a thread about it, that prayers are more about DOUBTS than they are about the so-called faith.
In fact, by definition, prayer and faith contradict each other, and should not co-exist.

Prayer showcases the inner psychology of faith , and reveals the big surprise that Faith = Doubts + Dear.

There is nothing more contradictory and pathetic about religious faith than Prayers.

There is nothing more painful or pitiful to watch than a man wrapped up in ignorance while claiming to be knowledgeable. When a man who has never seen what a room looks like and gets thrown into that room blindfolded and he then begins to attempt describing the room based on his notion of what he thinks a room ought to look like is pathetic especially when he eventually gets his blindfold removed and discovers he was only placed inside a 40 foot container made to look like a room.

naijadeyhia:


Prayer actually soothes the mind and stimulates peace psychologically...You can ask your shrink.

Alcohol also soothes the mind and stimulates peace psychologically.Ask anyone who drinks.

Opioids also soothes the mind and stimulates peace psychologically. You can ask any addict.

What the three have in common is that they are all give temporary, illusionary highs.
They are all also addictive and can leave very deep psychological lows once the initial highs diminish.


https://www.nairaland.com/1452318/faith-prayers-law-diminishing-returns

WinningSun:


please can you explain to me. what wind the wind. what power controls the wind.

If you had paid enough attention during geography lessons in school, you wouldn't be asking that daft question.

jonbellion:
prayer entails the idea of attempting to make an allegedly omniscient entity aware of something. It also involves messing with an allegedly divine plan, and divine plan or indirectly arguing that the person praying could somehow improve upon God's intent or design.
Lol comedy
Godbotherers never seem to consider that their constant pleading of God might piss him off.
Help me with my body odour even though I have bad hygiene
Help me find my car keys even though I'm careless
Make me better in bed even though I don't practice
Help me with my test even though i didn't read

You forgot this........

God ! God!! God!!!... I need a wife, when single chinene plenty for their churches.

They have waited for the hiding God, that almost all the deluded babes, in their churches, are galloping into menopause!