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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:31pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
dearpreye:Tithing came before the law. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by dsaynt: 4:33pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
mainstream christianity teaches the OT laws and commandments of God are now obsolete and christians don't have to keep them. But hypocritically they still require the OT law of tithing. That is contradictory. Yes it's true the tithe can not be done as commanded by God but for a different reason. First, we must the nature and purpose of tithing according to the Father Himself then we will understand why it isnt possible today. Check out this short video and tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=jnOeEgMQNyI |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:35pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2:Tithing came before the law |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:36pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
pennywys:Pick up your Bible 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:36pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:Heb 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. Heb 7:6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. Heb 7:7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. Heb 7:8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, Heb 7:10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor. (Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!) Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ... This is pointing out that: The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day. Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time. The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 4:40pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen: You people keep amazing Me in justifying fraudulent Act, pls lets Analyse; Genesis 14:18-20 Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices [/b]in the new covenant. Are you now saying Christians should be paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has be robbed and recover the stolen goods. For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church. This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing Even The jew pharisee jesus condemned Aknowledge that isrealites tithe only from their own possesion. Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, [b]I give tithes of all that I possess Try harder 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by jarmy: 4:41pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Mat 23:23 "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others. ilynem: |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:42pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
brightalo17:An unnecessary question. So cuz I fornicate and steal, I can as well not pay tithe? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:42pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:I will give you nice comic relief in a minute. DeKen:Entitled to what gangan, ah? Paul said he was entitled to support from the churches, HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS ENTITLED TO TITHE, haba. Chief kilode? DeKen:You really need to go read up more on 1 Corinthians 7:25 DeKen:The provision of the law of aerodynamic is there One can choose to ignore the the law of aerodynamic and instead only pay attention to the law of gravity After all God created man with freedom of choice and that one, will remain grounded and not be in the air The law of the spirit, is life The law of sin and death? Well, its self explanatory It is sin to pay tithe. One is missing the mark, if one is paying tithe 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:44pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
jarmy:Do you understand it? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 4:46pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 4:46pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
samuelezekiel: Delusion .. Werent there fishermen at that time ?? Werent there tent makers at that time ?? Did Jesus pay tithe ?? Did Paul pay tithe ?? Did any of the apostles pay tithe ?? Did any of the apostles teach about tithing ?? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 4:48pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:Bolded above, kindly tell us or define The Phrase 'after the order of Melchizedeck' i am waiting! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 4:50pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: The church doesnt have priests now (Ephesians 4:11) And since the early church didnt pay tithe .. then we should also not pay tithe |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:50pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
If you want to engage in meaningful discussion leave rhetorics BERNIMOORE: |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by fadjnr(m): 4:51pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Read and digest. Picture taken from a STUDY Bible
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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 4:52pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:God didn't instruct Abraham or Jacob to tithe They paid tithe on their free will |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:53pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: BERNIMOORE:Heb 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. Heb 7:6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. Heb 7:7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. Heb 7:8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, Heb 7:10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor. (Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!) Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ... This is pointing out that: The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day. Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time. The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth. (Note that Paul uses an Old Covenant illustration for financial support of the ministry. I mention this because some people believe that everything Moses gave as part of the Law is no longer even relevant to a New Covenant Christian. ) (Note also that this outreach was part of Paul's ministry - and Paul was not a Pastor of a church.) 1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned? 1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? (Note that Paul also believed in the principal of financial sowing and reaping.) 1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. (Note also that Paul states that he (the ministry) has the right to expect to be financially supported by those ministered to.) (Next Paul uses the Old Covenant Levitical priesthood as an illustration for financial support of the ministry. This is the Levitical priesthood, which received the tithe. I mention this because in nearly all of the anti-tithe teachings they state that the Levitical system has no relevance to New Covenant Christians. Now remember, Paul is talking about financial support here ...) 1 Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 1 Cor 9:14 IN THE SAME WAY, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Entitled to what gangan, ah?(Question: How was food provided to those who worked in the temple? Answer: The tithe and the offerings.) |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 4:55pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:Answer the question, ignore what you feel is rhetotorics i am fully waiting for meaningfull discussion, first what do you understand by 'after the order of melchizedek'? only with bible quotation! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 5:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:No one is forcing you. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 5:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2:Abraham paid tithe |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by olujastro: 5:03pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:I have an opinion which I think is perfect as regards tithing but I can't write it all here. Coincidentally, I found my exact same opinion able tithing on this site as I Googled it just now. And this is how I've treated tithing since I was in the university many years ago. http://www.crosswalk.com/family/finances/is-tithing-for-the-new-testament-believer-11579309.html |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:07pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:Stop following the law Read Galatians 3:9 - 14 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Chicagoesontop: 5:07pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: What exactly do you understand by that passage 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 5:09pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: He did nothing of the sort. Abraham (Ibrahim to Muslims) paid a tenth of what he looted from the war he won. No correlation with the tithes of Israelites detailed in Deuteronomy 14: 22-29. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:10pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
olujastro: Matthew 23:23 was still talking about the law Jesus was still alive so was still encouraging them to obey the law Read Galatians 3:9-14 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Raymysterio(m): 5:15pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: Have you tried to find out why Tithe was paid at all? God separated the levites from their brothers (The Children of Israel) to be His Priest. This separation made them forfeit there lands and goods in Israel to a total service to God. This land Originally belong to all the Children of Israel and the levites are descendant of Levi, a direct son of Jacob who God separated with his descendants to be priest unto him. Because of this calling to serve God and forfeiture of landed properties, God now instructed their brothers and their descendants to give one 10th of all they acquired from the land, to sustain there brothers who where part owners of these lands and therefore are entitled to what is gotten from it. But they where separated by God. Compare that to today Pastors who own landed properties, Universities and all... do they have the moral standing to accept tithe going by the reason why God instituted tithe? Think, read and be wise... Give your tithe to the poor... and Men of God willingly NOT because they coerce you to do so...God bless 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by olujastro: 5:19pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia:I'm almost sure you didn't read the info on the link I gave you. Or perhaps you are mistakenly responding to someone else. Read the link again if you want to shapen your knowledge about tithing for personal development. Except you just want to win arguments on NL. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by snowblaq(f): 5:24pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:....its not ur business wat ur tithe is being used for....as far as u obey God first by paying it....those who use it are answerable to God....so simply do ur part by paying it....cos iv come to understand that people who talk like you are just those who do not want to pay their tithes and hence defend their act by saying the pastors are not using it well....let God be the judge. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by freshcvvs: 5:25pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: olujastro: This is fraudulent of you, the Bible never instructed giving cash as tithe, what it stated was that if tithe you are bringing is the perishable type that won't get to the temple in one piece, sell it and bring the money to the temple where you are to rebuy what you sold, then offer as tithe. You stopped at verse 27 maybe purposely to hide the truth. As for Mathew 23:23, KJV didn't include any "income", I had to go back to my bible, the NKJV must have tipped that in to try to "cover" for the money excuse. Kindly quote your KJV and see. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:26pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: Your eyes are beginning to open, keep doing what you are doing. Read the Bible by yourself all the facts are there. They often read Malachi to scare people of the impending danger when their tihthes is not paid 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by snowblaq(f): 5:33pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:...did the death of God also put an end to giving offrrings and doin the right things according to His will?....you know the truth..stop justifying your wrongs with old and New testaments....Your tithes belong to God....pay it |
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