Deadlytruth:
I'm an Anambra man, go figure!
Anambra home to Onitsha the city with the world’s worst air thus the dirtiest city in the world https://www.theguardian.com › World › Cities › Pollution
I guess you’ll say the British which wrote the article are Yorubas and Edoids.

Hehe! Never expected better from an Ignorant bitter Igbophobic Edo man.

https://www.nairaland.com/3102772/onitsha-ranked-most-polluted-city/6

Go through Sonnie10 posts there. and stop disgracing yourself.

Onitsha is better City by any standard, than your Bini city of blood and Gore!

Deadlytruth:
Geopolitical zones in Nigeria serve their purpose, after all, Ekwueme was amongst those who campaigned for it, but tribal allegiances will always trump everything else.
Without prejudice to the fact that these regions were created by IBB one would wonder why Ekweme campaigned for it and got it but ended up watching while the so-called Igboids were being carved away from his own supposed SE into what you yourself call an artificial creation for unrelated tribes. Yet ignore Ekweme and accuse Edo of it. Can’t you see you are sick?

I for one, don't have problems with Igboids being in SS, it's an advantage to get double portion of things in Nigeria if you ask me, once we get our house in order. But I understand why some Igbos in SE don't like it.

Edo was just a freak of nature. It couldn't fit into SW or NC or SS, but it had to be fixed some where, and since the rest of defunct Bendel were already in SS, Edo fell into SS by default.

Deadlytruth:
Don't come here to hide behind SS tag and claim to speak for a group you share nothing with. Even geopolitical zones are not recognized by Nigerian constitution, Abacha died before he could do that.
SS has come to stay. You can die in miserable envy. Even though we the SS people actually share a lot in common, our bond is beyond cultural similarities. How truly united are the Middle easterners with all their assumed cultural homeogeneity? Kanu and Uwazurike are fighting the same course yet are at loggerheads. In the 2014 confab the Ebonyi delegates refused to support the recognition of the current regions as federating units due to fear of being dominated by their own supposed brothers in the region. It is indeed a shame!

NO ethnic nation is without little squabbles. The Ashkenazi and Sepheradim Jews for instance do have their minor squabbles but what matters is that they unit politically for the greater interest of Israel against outside aggressors and for common good. What matters is that both MASSOB and IPOB will vote 100% for Biafra, even if they disagree over means towards achieving it sometimes.

Edo had proven to be incapable of rising beyond "partisan considerations" to unite with the rest of SS in pursing a political agenda of 're electing an Ijaw SS candidate in 2015. This is a big elephant in a room that can't be ignored.

By the way, Ohanaeze is the Igbo socio cultural organization with Ebonyi traditional rulers and representatives. Here was Ohanaeze consensus agreement and submission to the conference : http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/OhanaezeDraftSubConstitutionReview.html

Ebonyi caucus: https://www.nairaland.com/3607098/igbo-presidency-without-restructuring-not

Deadlytruth:
Yes! Ijaws alone couldn't have made GEJ the president, but they could have done with all the vote they could get, and a supposedly SS state giving 40% of her vote to GEJ bitter rival certainly didn't help their cause, especially when you factor in the fact that REAL SS states were all pulling over 70% of votes for the SS presidential candidate.
Even Ijaws themselves were becoming already disillusioned about GEJ’s presidency. Today the SS state which gave as much as 40℅ is vindicated as the government of the day has taken concrete steps to fundamentally address economic bondage which Ijaws have suffered unlike the son of the soil whose only concern was having his 8 years.

Don't be naive. If there be an election tomorrow between GEJ and Buhari again, Ijaws would still vote GEJ over Buhari like they did before, because it's a logical decision. GEJ is and will always be a better candidate than Buhari.
Buhari and APC had turned out to be colossal failures.

Edo 40% was never justified, it sticks out like sore thumb and would serve as a point of reference in future when needed.

Igbos support for GEJ was for their own
calculations against future presidency in 2019 and
not necessarily for the SS’ interest. Hear what a
prominent Igbo man said in that gathering:
“Gary Igariwey, foreclosed the
possibility of an Igbo occupying the
presidency of the country by 2015, saying
Ndigbo could only aspire for the plum job
when President Goodluck Jonathan or any
other South-southerner would have served
out his eight-year unbroken rule.”
Again Jonathan knew that the Igbos are given to
flattery

Lol! Igbos support for GEJ was a rational one.

1. He was a better candidate than Buhari by whatever parameter one would want to use. Without using the shade of tribalism. GEJ was a better candidate.

2. He is from a community that was part of defunct Eastern region, He was and remain closer to Ndiigbo than a Northerner would ever be.

Of course, Ndiigbo reasoned that GEJ deserved a return ticket and decided to shelve our own ambitions to support him. We felt it was a pragmatic approach that we don't divide Southern votes by floating an Igbo candidate and allowing the North easy victory. That way, we hoped the true SS will return us the same favour when we present an Igbo candidate in the future.

Ndiigbo given to flattery? Haha! I wonder why such flattery never won Awolowo Igbo votes in 1979 or why it didn't win Buhari Igbo votes in 2003. and 2007 when he floated Igbo VPs.
GEJ is a good man, an intellectual, not an ex tyrant or an illiterate, he was a builder who gave fair playing ground for all, not a destroyer that divided the country into 5% and 95% , what's not to love?

Well if anyone say good things about Ndiigbo, what are we supposed to do? Fight them for saying good things about us? Ofcourse, we just let them be. We would always welcome those who have respect for us and our achievements as a people, while we would concentrate the hate of Igbophobic beings and throw back at them until they are consumed thereof.

GEJ showed Ndiigbo respect and equity, and that's exactly what he got back from us in return.

Deadlytruth:
Those were Tamuno words and opinions, no matter how much you quote them, they don't turn to facts.
They remain facts no matter how much you reject them.

Post direct quote of interview where Zik threatened to forcefully coerce Western region into Nigeria, it's as simple as that. Stop beating round the Bush!
You have been shown where Zik allowed himself to enjoy British forceful back up against the freedom of other tribes. Why still asking for a quote? Are actions not supposed to be louder than words?

You are yet to show any thing remotely close to that.

All you did was assign your usual schizophrenic interpretations to Zik words.
No where did Zik threaten any group that wanted to leave Nigeria, instead those groups were the ones issuing threats and Zik was the diplomat that calmed them down and used superior wit to convince them to play his game.

Deadlytruth:
No, many Ijaw elements were not neutral in 1970, it was the height of Nigeria FG induced Igbophobia in Ijawland, following the abandoned property saga in 1970. No Nigerian tribe was neutral towards the Igbos in 1970.
Igbos prevention of Ijaw secession was a background to the Igbophobia. If Ojukwu had not stopped Boro, the FG would not have succeeded in “brainwashing” them. And don’t forget that the Igbophobia of Ijaws predated 1970 and founded on the Igbo oppression they suffered in the old Eastern Region.

Like I had shown, there were Ijaws who fought for Biafra and even abdicated their thrones rather than denounce Biafra. So, it's a two way thing. FG simply empowered the Igbophobic ones and the Igbophilic ones had to fall in line.
It was a classical divide and conquer strategy.

Willink report is there to prove that no such oppression was meted on any minority group in Eastern region by Ndiigbo.
NCNC minority henchmen like Mbu, Imoke, Nwuche and co would have spoken of it, if it existed.

https://www.nairaland.com/3669459/how-igbo-marginalised-minorities-delta

Either way, the point is that Tamuno account of events remain his personal opinions and cannot be said to be a neutral opinion, seeing as the mainstream Ijaws were hardly neutral towards the Igbos in immediate post 1970, the FG made sure of that with their divide and conquer tactics.

Deadlytruth:

So I demand a direct quote from Zik or this Tamuno opinion will be thrown into the trash as his opinion and nothing less or more.

For example, see a direct quote from Zik:

"In 1953 the NPC under the leadership
of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened
to secede from the federation unless their 6-point
proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal
diplomacy. We had been personal friends since
1940". ~ Zik.

Notice the use of diplomacy there.
That was the same time he relied on British threats to force AG into submission.
Show me a quote where he explained his use of diplomacy to dissuade the AG proponents of secession clause before I’ll accept that he truly believed in diplomacy.

The Burden of proof is on he who said there is and not on he who said there isn't.

You said Zik used threats to keep other groups in Nigeria, show me the proof or forever remain silent.

Zik used Diplomacy to convince the North, not much could be found in written articles from Zik himself on how the West was convinced to fall in line.
But Zik reiterated that he was not going to use any thing beyond diplomacy to keep any group in the union.

Deadlytruth:
Another dimension to this discussion. Not that it changes the fact that opposition of the secession clause doesn't equate to prevention of secession. But it's still important to note this angle.

Was NCNC an ethnic party? Were there no non Igbos like Yorubas and Eastern minorities in NCNC as of 1953-54?
I know that Mbu was not Igbo and that NCNC had many Yoruba henchmen those days.
Was the rejection of the secession clause an NCNC policy or an Igbo policy? Were Yoruba and other non Igbo members of NCNC not in support of the party policy on secession clause as articulated and argued by Zik.

Here is a direct quote from Zik:
"I have invited you to attend this caucus because I
would like you to make clear our stand on the
issue of secession. As a party, we would have
preferred Nigeria to remain intact, but lest there be
doubt as to our willingness to concede to any
shade of political opinion the right to determine its
policy, I am obliged to issue a solemn warning to
those who are goading the North towards
secession. If you agree with my views, then I hope
that in course of our deliberations tonight, you will
endorse them, to enable me to publicize them in
the Press.
In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly
entitled
to consider whether or not they should secede from
the indissoluble union which nature has formed
between it and the South, but it would be
calamitous to the corporate existence of the North
should the clamour for secession prevail. I,
therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the
advantages and disadvantages of secession before
embarking upon this dangerous course". ~ Zik


Notice the words Zik used, "AS A PARTY". He never said AS AN ETHNIC group. seeing as NCNC was a multiethnic group.
Were Yorubas majority in NCNC to have had the numbers to effectively oppose Zik’s and Igbos’ resistance to Secession? Anti-secession stance was an Igbo agenda which the Igbo dominated NCNC was found as a veritable tool to prosecute.

Where was it written in the annals of Nigerian history that non Igbo members of NCNC opposed Ziks NCNC "United Nigeria" campaign?
Not Mbu, not Eyo Ita, not Imoke, not Akpan, not the Yoruba NCNC contingents.
It was a party decision and Zik already made that clear in his speech without any ambiguity. And no high ranking non Igbo NCNC stalwart in that era challenged that decision.

And the Zik who first came into the UPGA,
abandoned them again in it for the Arewa
controlled NNA was stable and free of treachery?
The truth is that Igbos can’t tolerate what they
enjoy doing to others. When you pay them back in
their own coin they term you a traitor.

Akintola already abandoned AG to form NNDP with Kayode Western NCNC faction and ended up in the NNA, maybe you should be more interested in him than Zik who as a president didn't have the power to form central government without coalition with NNA who had the majority votes already. NNA wouldn't had broken southern alliance without men like Akintola and Kayode who swelled their powers.
Zik NCNC still stood with UPGA in the western region election face off between AG( UPGA) and NNDP( NNA).

The only traitors here were Akintola and Kayode. Zik was only trying to make the best out of a very bad situation after the election boycott failed.

It was the same way they
supported Akintola and the North when he
appeared to share the same Anti-Awolowo
sentiments with them only for them to later
painfully realize that the objective behind
Akintola’s resistance to Awolowo was actually
aimed at dislodging Igbos from their alliance with
the Arewa.

No time in history were Ndiigbo in alliance with Afonja( Akintola), we simply stayed off Akintola reenacting of Afonja-Alimi story in Western region. Your attempt at dragging Ndiigbo into Awolowo greed and leadership failure that alienated Akintola and created chaos in the Western region will always be exposed time and time again here.
Akintola was a Yoruba problem, the East could care less about his battles with Awolowo as both of them were for all intents and purposes, bitter Igbophobic "tribalistic" Yorubas.

By the way one keeps wondering who ever went
into any accord with them about the war or Aburi
Accord to warrant the accusation of betrayal. Igbos
are the real traitors in Nigeria and that is why
nemesis is against them.
Of course the invasion of Ore was part of the whole
thing. Despite having colluded with Arewa to
persecute fellow southerners, they again invaded
their territories without any negotiation or apology.
Who would fold his arms and watch such
aggressive and undiplomatic fellows?

Don't be dense. The Aburi accord was between Biafra( Eastern region) and Nigeria( Edo, Arewa-oduanistani).
The nemesis you speak of already caught up with Edo, that's why your empire of blood and Gore was ransacked in a matter of 2 days by the British, even Aro confederacy offered a better opposition to the British.
And to make matters worst, Edo is a non entity in a minority region, a freak of nature. Deal with it.

You are yet to prove how Zik colluded with Arewa to prosecute Awolowo. You have so far been exposed front and back and your weak arguments punctured time and again. Keep clutching as straws.

When Akenzua, Enahoro and co were in Lagos plotting the invasion of East with Gowon, you never thought there would be a reaction from the East, and that invasion of Nigeria, Edo inclusive was going to be part of it?

You were the aggressors, Biafra was fighting for its freedom from you lots.

pazienza:
[b] On the
other hand what can really be pointed to as GEJ’s
concrete achievement in connection with the SS
Question? While children were having classes under
trees and people drank water up to 60% polluted
with crude oil in SS communities GEJ’s was took
as much as N500bn out of a peltry budget of
N4.5tn and pumped into building, in the North,
Almajiri schools only for Northerners to later
discredit and reject them as an attempt towards
educational segregation. What is the use of having
in power a SS son who actually pandered more to
Northern interests than the sufferings of his own
people? He abandoned the entire South and Middle
Belt which voted for him but spent all his time
trying to please the Hausa-Fulanis who did not
only vote against him but started killing and
burning houses immediately he was declared
winner in 2011. And that was the kind of person
you wanted Edos to vote for once more and by
over 80%? You think Edos are foolish like Igbos?
And without prejudice to the rigging that explained
the very delayed results of the other SS states, I
would let you know that other SSners never
pretended about GEJ’s failure to address the
fundamental problems of the SS. In fact his most
vocal critics within the region were his own Ijaw
brothers. Asari Dokubo never missed an
opportunity to make it clear that GEJ failed the SS
but that his support for him was just about
balancing the power equation in Nigeria. http://
www.premiumtimesng.com/news/111270-
jonathan-has 0-failed-niger-delta-asari-
dokubo.html. A section of Asari Dokubo’s speech
reads: “
Monkey no fine, but the mama like am, but when
the ugly monkey becomes so rascal, the mother
will desert it because if the mother continues to
like the monkey in its ugly rascality, she too will
die with the ugly monkey, after all she has more
than one monkey child…... It is alarming that the
SS must have its uninterrupted eight years tenure
but with the way things are going under Jonathan’s
watch, we are afraid that we may not be able to….”
I guess you’ ll say Dokubo is from SW/NC
Other blunders of Jonathan which turned Edo
against him are:
--- his giving of national awards of honour to
rogues like IBB who institutionalized corruption;
Abacha the murderer of Saro Wiwa his (GEJ’s)
own brother; OBJ who ordered genocide in 1999 in
Odi in his own Bayelsa home state; etc for what
he, GEJ, himself described as their contribution to
national building. He ironically ignored the Ken
Saro Wiwa who pioneered and got matyred for the
fight that made his presidency as a SS man
possible as if to say that all Saro Wiwa’s
championing of resource control, restructuring and
bioremediation of oil polluted areas was an act of
nation destruction thus his refusal to honour him
with an award let alone raise a national monument
in his name. He refused to convoke a confab until
Okorounmu and Nwabueze pressured him into it
which he reluctantly succumbed to. At a time
nearly every one in the SS was getting more
enlightened about the structural basis of Nigeria’s
failure, Jonathan began to argue that Nigeria’s
problem had nothing to with structure but
corruption which once killed every other thing
would just fall into their places. Also, at a time the
Northern military elite establishment of the Katsina
Mafia was being suspected of responsibility for the
Boko Haram national insecurity GEJ sacked a
fellow SSner, Azazi Owoye, as NSA and replaced
him with a Nortrhern military elite, Dasuki. Also in
pursuit of his attempt to attract the huge but
falsified votes of Kano Jonathan which he should
have rather sought to correct, he, on Kwankwaso’s
request, sacked Festus Odimegwu as NPC
chairman just because the latter spoke a bitter
truth about Nigeria’s census history which pricked
Kwankwaso’s guilty conscience. Was that Kano
vote not later to drown him? Did Kwankwaso
eventually deliver those votes to him? The same
Jonathan hounded Ibori overseas in the name of
corruption whereas OBJ, IBB, and other Northerners
whose loots makes Ibori’s a child’s play walked
free. And that was the kind of person you wanted
Edos to give 100% votes in the name of SS
solidarity. Was GEJ himself showing any solidarity
to the SS course or rather to the Hausa-Fulanis?
Rather than revisit Saro Wiwa’s comprehensive
blueprint on the Niger Delta demands from the FG
Jonathan was satisfied with the amnesty offer
which was mistakenly accepted by the political
elite of the ND against the preference of the Okah
Brother’s whom he hounded till he was kicked out
of power.
The same person gave a N9bn worth pipeline
protection contract to OPC leader Gani Adams
while people people in the riverine areas of the SS
lived in shanties. [/b]



Isn't it interesting that despite all these your dogoturenchi concoctions, the whole of True SS were still behind GEJ, including Asari, and a True Niger Deltan Orubebe was willing to fight for GEJ mandate when JEGA declared the result?


You ever wondered why? Hehe!

That you have not been able to deny all these failures of GEJ as regards the SS question is an indictment on you.
Asari, in the context of the genuine Niger Delta interest, was not a true Niger Deltan. Here was a man who abandoned his boys in the creeks and, in the spirit of betrayal of the struggle, accepted being bribed into submission by the Yaradua/GEJ government with an offer of a suit permanently in a five star hotel in the same Abuja he complained was developed with Niger Delta wealth, slammed into mute mode with cash with which he established a university in Republic of Benin whereas educational development of the Niger Delta was part of his purported struggle, etc. And till today he has become more of a typical Nigerian politician than a freedom fighter. The same Asari Dokubo recently and ignorantly took a swipe at urhobos, Itsekiris, Ogonis and other non-Ijaw tribes of the SS for what he described as their wanting to share the benefits of the struggle undertaken by Ijaws alone. Unfortunately he found no one to remind him that Ken Saro Wiwa (an Ogoni man) was matyred for the Niger Delta struggle 11 years before he himself (Asari Dokubo) ever enlisted into the Niger Delta struggle. He also did not know that an Itsekiri man (Pa Alfred Rewane) was assassinated by the Abacha Junta 13 years before he (Dokubo) ever thought of joining the fight. He also was ignorant of the fact that another Itsekiri woman (Temi Harriman) in the spirit of the Niger Delta struggle floated a bill on the floor of NASS about 5 years before his own Niger Delta activism started. He also was ignorant of the fact that an Urhobo man (James Ibori) and a Bini man (Lucky Igbinedion) began the fight for resource control 7 years before he (Asari Dokubo) started his fake one. How many would one mention? Was it therefore a surprise that Dokubo found it comfortable to blindly keep rooting for GEJ despite he himself acknowledging that GEJ failed? Moreover he confessed that he benefited immensely from GEJ and common sense therefore dictates that his rooting for GEJ was built on pecuniary benefits than genuine commitment to the fundamentals of the SS struggle. Apart from Igbos, with their belief in blind loyalty like they gave to and keep giving to the Zik who led them into Hausa-Fulani slaughter house, who would use Dokubo as a reference point for commitment to the SS Question? Orubebe was more or less another Dokubo in the sense that to him all that mattered most about the SS struggle was to have a SS person in power irrespective of his woeful failure to address the SS Question. Who, apart from Igbos, uses Orubebe as a reference point?

The genuine Niger Delta activists of the moment are the Okah Brothers and MEND leaders who, till today, are still languishing in jail or prosecution for their unbuyable loyalty. While the likes of Dokubo, GEJ and Orubebe were accepting the Amnesty offer under Yaradua, the Okah Brothers rejected it on the grounds that it was never captured in Ken Saro Wiwa's recommendations, that it was an offer which defined freedom fighters as criminals who were asking for state pardon for fighting a just cause, denounced Jonathan for being a betrayer of the struggle by accepting amnesty despite knowing the meaning on account of his educational attainment, etc. Hence they never supported GEJ. While they were trying to bomb Abuja which was developed with funds stolen from the Niger Delta, Dokubo, with GEJ's backing, was living in one of such Abuja hotels accepting that he was a criminal for fighting the same struggle. Only a fool like you would, in your typical Igbo logic define Dokubo, GEJ and Orubebe as genuinely concerned Niger Deltans. The choice of the 40% Edo's reflected a reasoning in harmony with the Okar Brothers and MEND which as well rooted for APC. If not for the rigging by the PDP governors in the other SS states as explained by the protracted delay in their results, the same pattern of rejection for GEJ would have shown through. Edo could not be rigged because it was not a PDP enclave.
You are indeed a simpleton!

pazienza:

By the way one keeps wondering who ever went
into any accord with them about the war or Aburi
Accord to warrant the accusation of betrayal. Igbos
are the real traitors in Nigeria and that is why
nemesis is against them.
Of course the invasion of Ore was part of the whole
thing. Despite having colluded with Arewa to
persecute fellow southerners, they again invaded
their territories without any negotiation or apology.
Who would fold his arms and watch such
aggressive and undiplomatic fellows?

Don't be dense. The Aburi accord was between Biafra( Eastern region) and Nigeria( Edo, Arewa-oduanistani).
The nemesis you speak of already caught up with Edo, that's why your empire of blood and Gore was ransacked in a matter of 2 days by the British, even Aro confederacy offered a better opposition to the British.
And to make matters worst, Edo is a non entity in a minority region, a freak of nature. Deal with it.

You are yet to prove how Zik colluded with Arewa to prosecute Awolowo. You have so far been exposed front and back and your weak arguments punctured time and again. Keep clutching as straws.

When Akenzua, Enahoro and co were in Lagos plotting the invasion of East with Gowon, you never thought there would be a reaction from the East, and that invasion of Nigeria, Edo inclusive was going to be part of it?

You were the aggressors, Biafra was fighting for its freedom from you lots.

You are a big fat fool! The war accord is different from Aburi Accord. Why do you have comprehension challenges? Who and who signed a document of agreement with Ojukwu to jointly prosecute Biafra War to warrant the later accusation of betrayal? Can you produce such document?
Aburi Accord was between Igbos and the Nigerian Establishment which composed of the Establishment's representatives from all tribes including Igbos. As long as the Edo's elected leader in the person of Enahoro, and the Yoruba's elected leaders in the person of Awolowo were not invited, then it was purely a jamboree between the Ojukwu whom the Igbos had come to accept as their leader and the Nigerian Establishment which Zik created. Once again you are a fool devoid of logical reasoning.
And you have never been able to explain why Ojukwu refused to invite Enahoro and Awolowo only for him to start seeking their support after the whole thing collapsed. He initially, as usual, went it all alone with the Hausa Fulanis like Zik too did, and when it collapsed exactly like before he began seeking the support of those he never consulted before he went. Igbos their shifty loyalty. Freaks in nature!

It was after Ojukwu invaded the Midwest and West that Enahoro and Awo rallied to Gowon's side to plot the repulsion of Biafra and not the other way round as you are trying to distort. Get some sense!

pazienza:
It was the same way they
supported Akintola and the North when he
appeared to share the same Anti-Awolowo
sentiments with them only for them to later
painfully realize that the objective behind
Akintola’s resistance to Awolowo was actually
aimed at dislodging Igbos from their alliance with
the Arewa.

No time in history were Ndiigbo in alliance with Afonja( Akintola), we simply stayed off Akintola reenacting of Afonja-Alimi story in Western region. Your attempt at dragging Ndiigbo into Awolowo greed and leadership failure that alienated Akintola and created chaos in the Western region will always be exposed time and time again here.
Akintola was a Yoruba problem, the East could care less about his battles with Awolowo as both of them were for all intents and purposes, bitter Igbophobic "tribalistic" Yorubas.

Ndiigbo were never in alliance with Akintiola yet all of them on the floor of the Federal Parliament voted in favour of the law retroactively made by Balewa to re-instate Akintola against the Privy Council's verdict. The same Ndiigbo section of the Western House Assembly joined Akintola's Yoruba supporters to disrupt proceedings towards passing a vote of no confidence on Akintola. One of them even broke the Western House Mace in support of Akintola, yet Ndiigbo did not collude with Akintola? You are an ignoramus.

pazienza:
And the Zik who first came into the UPGA,
abandoned them again in it for the Arewa
controlled NNA was stable and free of treachery?
The truth is that Igbos can’t tolerate what they
enjoy doing to others. When you pay them back in
their own coin they term you a traitor.

Akintola already abandoned AG to form NNDP with Kayode Western NCNC faction and ended up in the NNA, maybe you should be more interested in him than Zik who as a president didn't have the power to form central government without coalition with NNA who had the majority votes already. NNA wouldn't had broken southern alliance without men like Akintola and Kayode who swelled their powers.
Zik NCNC still stood with UPGA in the western region election face off between AG( UPGA) and NNDP( NNA).


The only traitors here were Akintola and Kayode. Zik was only trying to make the best out of a very bad situation after the election boycott failed.

We are talking of how Zik after the 1965 elections abandoned the UPGA to go and team up with his old friends now as NNA after and this one is talking of Akintola's formation of NNDP from an AG faction which was a 1962 event. Are you okay at all?



Zik was not making any thing out of a bad situation. He was power hungry. Would it not have even been better if he had accepted the census results thus remained with his Arewa friend in the evil NPC-NCNC coalition that first join UPGA and then turn round again to the side of Arewa? Why start a fight he could not fight let alone finish? Why reject his Arewa friends in the name of fighting against a falsified census only for him to again go back to join the census falsifiers when the falsified census had not been corrected? What situation was he trying to salvage by allowing a falsified census stand?

Why was Zik even still interested in forming the central government at all with the Arewa to warrant the need to align with the the Arewa-controlled NNA despite the latter had by their actions made it clear that they were out to subdue the South and his own Eastern Region especially? Zik was a fool! Stop defending him. He is responsible for all the mess and irrelevance you people have fallen into till today.

This is once more coming after having earlier said
that there were already many Igbos in the West
hence their domination of NCNC. However history
shows that even before 1900 Igbos were already
scattered among other peoples in very large
numbers. For example Zik was born in Zungerua,
Nger State, Ojukwu too the same Zungeru, Michael
Okpara – Keffi in todays Nassarawa; meaning that
their parents had moved to settle in the North
before amalgamation.

Lol! And how exactly did the above explain away why Shagari got 10% of votes in Oyo and couldn't do same in Lagos.
Are you saying that Yoruba hinterland( Oyo) had more Igbos than Lagos state?

You are a joke.

pazienza:
This is once more coming after having earlier said
that there were already many Igbos in the West
hence their domination of NCNC. However history
shows that even before 1900 Igbos were already
scattered among other peoples in very large
numbers. For example Zik was born in Zungerua,
Nger State, Ojukwu too the same Zungeru, Michael
Okpara – Keffi in todays Nassarawa; meaning that
their parents had moved to settle in the North
before amalgamation.

Lol! And how exactly did the above explain away why Shagari got 10% of votes in Oyo and couldn't do same in Lagos.
Are you saying that Yoruba hinterland( Oyo) had more Igbos than Lagos state?

You are a joke.

Very silly logic again! I thought you already said Obasanjo's failure in Lagos in 2003 was highly due to the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos as against the other SW states where he "won" on account of having more indigenous populations than Lagos? You are incoherent! Was the Igbos' 10% for Shagari an indication that they were more in Oyo than the Yoruba's who gave 90% against Shagari?

Considering the allegation that Buhari committed
genocide on Igbos during the war, as narrated by
the Igbos themelves, the 20% from Imo is more
outrageous than Edo’s 40% where he did not kill a
fly during the war.

Lol! Unfortunately, the point is not about Imo state. The point is about Edo.
Your pathetic attempt at hiding behind Imo 20% votes for Buhari, who was running against a non Igbo in GEJ to explain away why a non SSner gained a whopping 40% of the votes casted in a supposedly SS state against a SS president is at best desperate.
Buhari or any non Igbo for that matter won't be able to get 40% of the votes in election where an Igbo is a frontrunner. We saw this in 1979 and 1983 presidential elections.

pazienza:


Where was it written in the annals of Nigerian history that non Igbo members of NCNC opposed Ziks NCNC "United Nigeria" campaign?
Not Mbu, not Eyo Ita, not Imoke, not Akpan, not the Yoruba NCNC contingents.
It was a party decision and Zik already made that clear in his speech without any ambiguity. And no high ranking non Igbo NCNC stalwart in that era challenged that decision.

Were the Yoruba NCNC members a majority in the party for their voices to be heard? Were you expecting Zik to really come out and declare that he was going to use force to prevent secession when he was clever enough to have known that such would give him away as a pretender? What you look at is not people's words but their actions which speak louder. If he intended diplomacy, then why did he remain mute when Britain was using threat to back the anti-secession clause sentiment in his favour? Silence is consent.

Deadlytruth:


Very silly logic again! I thought you already said Obasanjo's failure in Lagos in 2003 was highly due to the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos as against the other SW states where he "won" on account of having more indigenous populations than Lagos? You are incoherent! Was the Igbos' 10% for Shagari an indication that they were more in Oyo than the Yoruba's who gave 90% against Shagari?

You are a blockhead. What's the relationship between the post you replied and the trash you wrote above.
It seems like your schizophrenia is getting resistant to your meds, or you forgot to take your meds?

Lagos always had more Igbos than OYO which is Yoruba hinterland, this very fact nullifies your pathetic attempt at trying to link the high percentage of votes for Shagari in 1979 in Oyo state to Igbo population there, seeing as Lagos with a higher Igbo population had less votes for Shagari in 1979.

pazienza:
Considering the allegation that Buhari committed
genocide on Igbos during the war, as narrated by
the Igbos themelves, the 20% from Imo is more
outrageous than Edo’s 40% where he did not kill a
fly during the war.

Lol! Unfortunately, the point is not about Imo state. The point is about Edo.
Your pathetic attempt at hiding behind Imo 20% votes for Buhari, who was running against a non Igbo in GEJ to explain away why a non SSner gained a whopping 40% of the votes casted in a supposedly SS state against a SS president is at best desperate.
Buhari or any non Igbo for that matter won't be able to get 40% of the votes in election where an Igbo is a frontrunner. We saw this in 1979 and 1983 presidential elections.

You are a big fool. Do you think at all before you write?
Did Obasanjo (a non-Igbo) not get over 75℅ of Igbo votes in 2003 election where Ojukwu (an Igbo) was a frontrunner? Did Yaradua (a non-Igbo) not score over 90℅ in all Igbo land in 2007 election where Orji Uzor Kaku (an Igbo) was also a presidential frontrunner? Are you sure you're not suffering from memory loss?

the point is not only about Edo but about comparing Igbo with Edo. It is not about SS but vs SE but about Edo vs Igbo. Thank God you already said the SS is an artificial creation not recognized by the constitution and also that Abacha die before he could implement the plan to recognize regions. So SS can't be made a reference point because, according to you, it does not yet exist.
Edos voted 40% against a non-Edo man who did not address their interest while Igbos voted 65% against a fellow Igbo man (Ojukwu) who
did not only champion their interest but sacrificed his bright future and enormous inherited wealth for them) in acceptance of a Yoruba man who was an integral part of the group which chased Ojukwu with the intention of giving him a disgraceful death by hanging. The difference is too clear. Jonathan was not an Edo man yet we gave him 60%. Ojukwu was an Igbo man yet Igbos could not give him 25% in 2003. Also in 1979 Igbos voted 75% against Ojukwu when he sought to represent them at the senate. The Difference is clear.
Buhari would not have been able to get 40% in an election where an Edo man genuinely concerned about Edo interest is a forerunner.

pazienza:


You are a blockhead. What's the relationship between the post you replied and the trash you wrote above.
It seems like your schizophrenia is getting resistant to your meds, or you forgot to take your meds?

Lagos always had more Igbos than OYO which is Yoruba hinterland, this very fact nullifies your pathetic attempt at trying to link the high percentage of votes for Shagari in 1979 in Oyo state to Igbo population there, seeing as Lagos with a higher Igbo population had less votes for Shagari in 1979.

You are a beast reasoning with your joystick. Lagos did not always have more Igbos than Ibadan. In fact Lagos being initially a very small territory had less population than Ibadan hence where Lagos had just 4 seats in the Federal Parliament, Ibadan alone had up to 10. Moreover As at the time in reference - 1979- Oyo had more Igbos than Lagos as Ibadan was still the largest city in West Africa as of then. Go back an check your history books. You ignoramus!

pazienza:


Because he was was contesting against another Yoruba representing a Yoruba party in 1999. Don't be dumb.

Then was OBJ's party a Yoruba party in 2003 in which you claimed Yorubas supported him? Don't be daft and stupid!

pazienza:


Igbos already voted for PDP in 1999 when Yorubas didn't because they had the luxury of knowing that head or tail, a Yoruba man would emerge the president, as two Yorubas were the frontrunners. How then can it be said that we joined Yorubas to vote OBJ in 2003? More like the tribalistic Yorubas joined Igbos to vote OBJ, because the only other choice left would have been to vote a non Yoruba.

If they had the luxury of knowing that a Yoruba man would emerge head or tail, then why did they bother voting at all? OBJ was a candidate of the Igbo-Arewa Oligarchy and not the Yoruba's choice, so they campaigned against him.

pazienza:


Well, elections all over Nigeria, including the East was same, it was the era of rigging. It was OBJ era of do or die politics. We can only analyze the final result before us.

Lagos is a highly multiethnic state, it's not exactly a model Yoruba state. Moreover, Tinubu had his own rigging machinery that cancelled out those of PDP, since Tinubu refused to dump AD.

Self consolation galore. Lagos is still most dominated by Yorubas to about 65% put at conservative estimates. How could Tinubu's machinery have overpowered the presidency's which was more oiled with cash from the huger Federal Purse? Your logic stinks!

Deadlytruth:


Self consolation galore. Lagos is still most dominated by Yorubas to about 65% put at conservative estimates. How could Tinubu's machinery have overpowered the presidency's which was more oiled with cash from the huger Federal Purse? Your logic stinks!

I thought you were done replying that chap.He keeps dancing around in circles like a punch drunk boxer.

pazienza:


It's on record that Awolowo treachery and deceit made it impossible for Zik to risk any form of alliance with him, and judging by Ojukwu- Awolowo later scenario, Zik was spot on in ditching Awolowo.
It had also been shown that Awolowo had no qualms forming alliance with military dictatorship North, as we saw his alliance with Gowon, and could had still done a similar thing if Zik didn't move fast in 1959.

We also know that in 1979, Awolowo was fully paid for his treachery in 1967-70 by Ndiigbo, and was once again left in the lurch.

We also know that just as he attempted to usurp the government of Balewa in 60's just because he was left in the cold, so did he try to Usurp Babangida government in the 80's and was caught for a record second time for treason crime.

It is on record that Zik started the game of treachery when he left the NYM and went back to mend fences with Herbert Macaulay to form NCNC despite the fact that Zik was party to the formation of NYM on the consensus and agreement (rightly or wrongly) that they should all abandon Herbert Macualay's NNDP on account of its "archaic" ideas.
Ojukwu was the one who ditched Awolwo again because he had already agreed to Awolwo's demand for two weeks to think thoroughly about violent secession but just three days later he delared Biafra.

What happened in 1979 was not any paying back of Awolowo by Ndigbo. It was only a replay of Ziks quest for the Biafra-Arewanistan marriage. You have already said it here that Zik and Ndigbo's preference for Shagari was based on who the winner was and not necessarily about the rancour between Zik and Awo. Moreover Zik already called himself a beautiful bride available for the highest bidder. So it was a matter of which side the grass was greener rather than some stupid theory of repayment. If it was about repayment why could Zik not reject Arewa as a repayment for the massacre of Igbos in the war? If Ndiigbos were so good at repaying for treachery, what treachery were they repaying Ojukwu for in the same 1979 when they voted against Ojukwu for Senate in preference for a relatively unknown guy?

In 1959 Zik and Akintola were the ones who scrambled for the Arewa Alliance and the former pulled a fast one over the latter hence Akintola's grievance with Awolwo for his allofness about the Arewa which made Yourubas lose out to Igbos portfolio wise, and his eventual battle to bring Yoruba into the mainstream which he knew Awolowo would always frustrate except he sees to the incapacitation of Awolowo with the help of the Zik-Balewa coalition.

The Babangida story is Bunkum because with his rabid paranoia about suspected coupists he would have killed at least the army officers who worked with Awolowo. Moreover no army officer has ever been mentioned as the ones Awolowo worked with in trying to oust IBB. When OBJ did it to Abacha the army officers and other accomplices involved, eg Yaradua, were mentioned to the public. So the whole thing is Igbo propaganda of hate.

pazienza:


Abiola was friends of Arewa, his mandate was an Arewa-oduanistan combo, and he was betrayed by Yoruba elders and traditional rulers who traded him for cool cash when it mattered most, misled him and watched him rot in prison. He was killed by Arewa people like Fajuiyi was killed, and Yorubas looked the other way as usual, looking to pin it on the Igbo man.
Hanging it on Ndiigbo is your usual reflex reaction of not accepting responsibility for your misadventures but instead looking to put it on Ndiigbo.
https://www.nairaland.com/3718091/bamaiyi-how-nadeco-leaders-betrayed

And the Tofa whom Igbos voted for was Arewa proper. If Abiola was an Arewa business then the other Southern States like Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Delta, Edo, Rivers, would not have preferred him. But Igbos preference for Tofa was anti-South. So Igbos are not really Southerners but Northerners.

Abiola was betrayed by the Yorubas descended from Zik's NCNC and supported by Igbos like Chukwumerigie and Arthur Nzeribe. Nnamdi kanu was another Abacha supporter in the quest for the furtherance of the Biafra-Arewa coalition against the all the other Southerners' position. Igbos are not Southerners.

obaaderemi:
I thought you were done replying that chap.He keeps dancing around in circles like a punch drunk boxer.

Thanks very much. He is really suffering from stupor. He has actually contradicted himself in all his positions.

pazienza:


Our votes is ours, we decide who to give it to. We voted for OBJ, when had Yorubas ever voted for any Igbo man in their existence?

Should we had voted for just the Igbo man, you would had still questioned why Igbos vote for only Igbos and never non Igbos. Lol!

And likewise our votes, as Edos is ours to decide whom to give it to. You voted for OBJ not because he was a Yoruba man but because he was the preferred candidate by the Biafra-Arewa Oligarchy just like how you supported Akintola as the Southern face of the Igbo-Arewa Oligarchy. When did Igbos ever vote for the Yoruba candidate preferred by the Yorubas themselves? At least some Yorubas even voted for Zik while Zik was the Igbo candidate which Igbos themselves preffered for the Western Region. How many Igbos voted for Awolowo in that election? Cheats!

When did you ever vote for an Igbo man and we questioned it? Do you mind giving examples?

pazienza:
Did Zik have an Image? The same Zik whose burial
Ojukwu, the greatest Igbo hero, deliberately refused
to attend? An “intellectual” who kept on seeking
unity with those busy slaughtering his own
brothers right before him on a daily basis? Edo was
never that cursed to have such an “intellectual”.
The fact that he is not celebrated means he is not
as valued as a chick. Is there any chick which is
unloved by its mother hen?
Read below the damning verdict Ojukwu, the Igbo
hero, slammed on Zik

Zik image is on your 500 naira note, A federal University in his home state is named after him, Abuja airport is named after him, numerous roads all over the East are named after him.

None of your Edo leaders, both Dead, living and yet unborn will ever be fit to tie Zik shoes.

Edo was always cursed with blood thirsty Obas that made people to flee from the empire of blood and Gore right from the precolonial era till Nigeria, when confused beings like Akenzua dissolved Nigerian regions, argued against decentralization of power and nudged Gowon to create dysfunctional entities called states.

Ojukwu and Zik were never all that in good terms, I don't think Akintola had anything good to say about Awolowo in the 60's.

The N500 image of Zik, the naming of a federal University after him, tha naming of Abuja Airport after him are the honours given to him by the same One-Nigeria in compensation for the massacre of 3 million of his brothers and you are okay by that. If truly It is worth identifying with then why are you people not thankful to Nigeria for that and thus remain back than asking for Biafra? You say Ojukwu is your true hero yet he has no image on any currency while the Zik who led you to Arewa slaughter house is being honoured by Arewa and you rejoice. Shame on you.

All precolonial empires including Nri were involved in blood rituals. But the difference is that post colonization Edos abandoned all that while the Igbos have continued even more the business of blood shed. Igbos in this modern times still drink blood, do blood rituals in quest for whealth, eat human flesh with Clifford Orji and Reverend King as living examples, etc. Abriba and Oguta people eat human flesh till today. Igbos are ferquently caught with human heads despite the modernity of the times, It was only in Igbo land that a governorship candidate, Ngige, was taken to an oath in a shrine to swear allegiance to godfathers, A hotel was recently reported found in Onitsha where customers are killed and eaten, etc. Are there cannibals of Edo origin like Clifford Orji and Reverend King?