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|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Onlytruth(m): 10:14pm On Dec 30, 2009|
Some naive Nigerians are still calling for a bloody revolution to "cleanse Nigeria" (to kill off some prominent people). I wish them luck with that, and I advise my Igbo brethren to steer clear of such plots. Nigeria's emancipation is in God's hands because of your type and ndu_chucks who still fail to acknowledge the true motives of the Jan 1966 plotters.So, just relax and settle in for a loooooooooooooooooong period of pain.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Onlytruth(m): 10:19pm On Dec 30, 2009|
In addition to that, in another thread, I alluded to the fact that the Moors occupied and ruled Spain and Portugal for over 700 years. When the time came, the Spanish patriots sent the Moors packing back across the Strait of Gibraltar. So, I no longer delude myself in thinking that I would be free anytime soon, but when the time comes, no force on earth will stop our match to freedom.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 10:56pm On Dec 30, 2009|
I really don't get this your 'them against us' mentality. How do you mean by your type? Why do you think there should only be one side to an argument? If someone does not share your point of view, that person immediately becomes the enemy. Let us take a cue from the British. The MPs put difficult questions to one another, attack each other's ideas, motives, and records with the world watching but still socialise afterwards. Even the actors of January 1966 had different motives and those motives are hidden. We can only speculate on what their motives were because they did not succeed. Do not speak with 100% certainty because as far as I know, you were not one of them.
That really made me laugh; are you planning to be around for 700 years? History is filled with many examples of a conquered people who fought their conquerors and obtained their freedom in the process. As far as I know, there are no occupying forces anywhere in Nigeria. I don't know why you think that example was relevant. If you bent on disintegration and/or secession, then please mention the disintegration of Czechoslovakia which was rather peaceful.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Onlytruth(m): 11:09pm On Dec 30, 2009|
You sure say I no be one of dem?
On a serious note I think you should read Nzeogwu coup statement. You should also read Gideon Okar coup statement. As far as documents can prove, those were nationalistic coups. They were naive of course because you cannot have a nationalistic coup in the absence of a credible nation.
Nigerians are always selfish and assume that they must personally benefit from their struggles. It doesn't have to be like that. The strategy you use against a formidable foe might require that you hand over the struggle to generations unborn. The Spanish example is only illustrative -to show how focused and determined a people can be in their match to freedom.
You are right that Czechoslovakia disintegrated without a fight, but Yugoslavia didn't. Nigeria is a more stubborn situation than those two. So, I know why I used the Moorish conquest and rule of Spain.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 11:16pm On Dec 30, 2009|
Please refer back to my comment about motives; I said that I believed that Nzeogwu had a noble cause but I do not think that cause was the same for some of the other plotters.
Trust you to miss the humour and light-hearted tone of my remark and rather go for the pessimistic view of the other party.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Onlytruth(m): 11:25pm On Dec 30, 2009|
I don't think we have enough information to reach that conclusion. We can also speculate on the motives of Okars accomplices. The coups failed and we may never know the rest of the stories.
If you noticed, I have not used caustic words on you. We've been discussing, but I demure at attempts to humorize issues of survival -life and death of innocent people. It could repeat if not thoroughly discredited and condemned.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Onlytruth(m): 11:41pm On Dec 30, 2009|
You meant to say there are NO occupying forces in Nigeria. So, if that is the case, why was the Biafran war fought and why are we having this conversation? Why do we have a group fighting in the Niger delta today?
Why can't the vice president of Nigeria take over in place of a sick president? Why can't I secede even if only my tribe goes? There are thousands of whys which prove that indeed there is an occupying power in Nigeria.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 11:45pm On Dec 30, 2009|
Yes you are correct; I meant to say No occupying forces. I will modify my post now.
I hear what you are implying with the invisible occupying forces.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 2:07am On Dec 31, 2009|
It is your prerogative to select whom you want to idolize and castigate. But you do not have the same privilege to distort history from truth.
The OP-Immediate signal to the coup plotters was to arrest the targeted objects. If the objects resist arrest, then maximum force deemed necessary should be applied to subdue the objects.
Major Onwuatuegwu was assigned to flush out Brig. S. Ademulogun: CO 1st Brigade, Col Shodeinde: Commandant NMTC and 2IC 1st Brigade, Lt. Col. Korubo: CO 3rd Battalion and Alhaji Kashim Ibarhim: Governor of northern region of Nigeria.
Brig. Ademulegun and his wife were shot to dead because the CO resisted arrest. The wife was inadvertently shot as she tried to protect her husband.
Col. Shodeinde was shot and stray bullet injured his second wife who was pregnant at the time. The wounded wife of the Colonel did not die as a result of the gun shot wound.
Lt. Col G. Korubo, CO 3rd Battalion was in army headquarters in Lagos.
Alhaji Kashim Ibarhim was arrested without any shot fired.
I can not fathom what informed your opinion of idolizing one coup plotter and vilifying the others.
It has been allegedly written that Ironsi was tipped off by the wife of Brig Zakariya Maimalari after soldiers chased her husband to the backyard. Even though Maj. Okafor’s team gave a chase but Ironsi was able to elude the pursuing squad by driving into Yaba military cantonment.
Again, Maj. Adegoke was shot by the mutinous northern soldiers of 4th Battalion, Ibadan. Please read the Nigeria’s Five Majors, Nowa Omoigue and Why We Struck.
In addition to targeting soldiers in command positions, soldiers accused of introducing tribalism into the army, nepotism, involved in shady financial deals and those that reduced themselves as errand boys of the corrupt politicians were equally targeted.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by nduchucks: 5:05am On Dec 31, 2009|
Dede1, Your pitiful attempts at distorting historical events while accusing others of doing the same thing, is appallin. The Jaunuary Coup was an Igbo coup, period! Inaddition to facts that you dismiss by providing useless explanations to support your bogus claims, a very credible eyewitness to the event, Major General David Akpode Ejoor, political and military leaders of Igbo extraction had nursed the ambition of upturning the Nigerian political space because their leading light, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, emerged only as a nominal Governor-General while power resided in another geo-political zone.
I find Ejoors historical accounts more credible than those of Nowa Omoigue, a "historian" who has been wrong on several occasions. Continue to bury your head in the sand, soon enough you'll need some fresh air.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Afam(m): 7:39am On Dec 31, 2009|
With less than 18 hours into 2010 we still have Nigerians thinking in this way even when facts show otherwise.
Feel free to shout the reproduced content every morning into the ears of your children if that will make you happy and especially if that will help make you justify the killing of innocent Igbos by their neighbors, colleagues, friends etc.
Even though I believe in a larger nation with comments like yours I think the idea of separating and going our own ways may be the best.
However, you realize the fact that your agreement with anything or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with the fact on ground.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 10:04am On Dec 31, 2009|
Where in any of postings did you discern I was idolising coup-plotters? I merely said that the July coup was a revenge coup. Was is not a revenge coup? The coup plotters have never hidden that fact. The whole world knows it. What we are debating is whether the January coup was an Igbo. We are presenting facts, arguments, and counter-arguments. Should we be debating what is considered a generally accepted fact? If ndu_chuks or anyone else wants to debate about whether the July coup was a tribally motivated coup, then we can have that debate.
Onwuategwu was to flush out Ademulegun; was he in a fortified bunker? He was in his bedroom for crying out loud. Ademulegun's wife was shot and she period; Shodeinde's pregnant wife was shot but she lived. The facts are that they were shot. Neither you nor I was there to ascertain under what circumstances they were shot. We can not take the killer's word as gospel. Thank you for your comment about Shodeinde's wife; I have read several conflicting literature; some say she died, some say she lived. Your argument to portray the plotters as less blood-thirsty is weak. Why were Balewa, Muhammed, and Okotie-Eboh killed when it was apparent that the coup was not going to succeed? Afterall, they were resisting arrest.
Your account of Ironsi eluding Okafor is not a fact; it has not been recorded anywhere. You have mentioned that the plotters were strategic in their objectives. Now tell me, what were the strategic reasons for going after Maimalari before Ironsi?
Can you please provide a reference for the comment you made about corrupt and tribalistic soldiers? So first they were killed for strategic reasons, now you say some of them were killed because they were corrupt. You are therefore alluding that only Northern and western officers were corrupt and tribalistic. That allusion is very ludicrous.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by kosovo(m): 10:07am On Dec 31, 2009|
Since the issues tabled here no longer patains to me and/or the Supreme Comander, i think it's time to end it or better still change the subject.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 10:10am On Dec 31, 2009|
Now this is very ironic. Dede is quoting Nowa Omoigui; he castigated me in the past for quoting Nowa Omoigui. He put it that Nowa was not credible; and now, ndu_chuks is indicating the same.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 10:16am On Dec 31, 2009|
Ndu_chuks is one individual. You can not come to a conclusion like that on that basis. Even in the most lopsided election, someone still votes for the losing candidate. If there is ever a poll conducted in Nigeria, not everyone will reach the same conclusion. Some will argue it was an Igbo coup, while some will argue otherwise.
I remind you that George Bush's election victory over John Kerry was the most divisive election in American history, almost the same number of people who voted for Bush voted against him. The 55 million people who voted against Bush had no option but to accept the result.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 10:18am On Dec 31, 2009|
I agree with you but I don't know whether to change the title or allow you to close the thread. I feel that some may still have something to say. Can you leave the thread for a few hours and lets see if others have an opinion on this?
If we decide to continue the debate, what should we title it?
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by kosovo(m): 10:23am On Dec 31, 2009|
Noted! Thanks for your simplistic understanding.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by lavista: 11:35am On Dec 31, 2009|
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|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 11:57am On Dec 31, 2009|
Even with the time you spent on this board, you still have not learnt to differentiate seeds from chives. It is unfortunate that you described David Ejoor as a credible eyewitness. This appalling assertion is akin to describing hotel attendant as eyewitness to the coup. During the H-hour of the January 15, 1966 coup, David Ejoor was hiding in the equipment room of one the hotels in Lagos and never showed face until the coup plotters were arrested. In some circle of close friends and relatives, it was alleged that Ejoor had been killed because he did come out of his hiding place in the hotel for 5 days.
I mentioned Nowa Omogui because the dude had down some in-depth research about the military issues of the era. My beef with Nowa Omogui is that sometime his historical accounts become condescendingly disingenuous.
I had rather accept your skewed and worthless historical accounts of the era than to accept the conjectural craps from the alleged cyclist such as David Ejoor.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 12:00pm On Dec 31, 2009|
I take it you are referring to the grand escape as Biafran soldiers invaded the mid-west.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 12:04pm On Dec 31, 2009|
Pal, the dude added another dimension to the alleged issue of global warming. He proffered human power.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 12:27pm On Dec 31, 2009|
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 12:58pm On Dec 31, 2009|
Again, I did not venture to this forum in order to hold brief for the coup plotters. However, it is not a rocketry science to fathom that nobody undertakes coup hoping it will fail.
It had been alleged that Col Unegbe was involved with shady deals as the Quartermaster-General.
Col Abogo Largmann was alleged to be the errand boy of Bello and Akintola. He turned himself into a conduit tube of political subversion in western region of Nigeria.
Balewa’s government was alleged to be epitome of anything wrong about governance.
Oketie-Ebo was alleged to have embezzled tons of money and political malpractices.
Brig, Ademolegun was an alleged tribal icon and a man who helped introduce ethnic bias into the army.
Brig. Maimalari was alleged to have been the father of nepotism and tribalism in the army.
It does not pay dividends to allude or subscribe to fallacies but if you have more credible facts than the ones given, please proffer them. When people are bent on corrupting history they will readily accuse contrarians with act of allusion.
Please be reminded that coup process, like any other process of human endeavor, is assigned to different participating teams. Some teams will perform and complete their tasks as drawn while other teams may stumble.
The teams assigned to either arrest or eliminate Balewa, Kur Muhammnd who was the acting Army Chief of Staff, Maimalari and Okotie-Eboh performed their tasks flawlessly.
The successful teams were led by Ifeajuna, Anuforo, Chukwuka and Ademuyega. The only team that stumbled was led by Okafor and it was not due to his incompetence but the tip off from the wife of Maimalari to Ironsi.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Katsumoto: 1:14pm On Dec 31, 2009|
Your allegations seem to be based on hear-say. They may be well have been true but they can not be fact without substantiated evidence.
You allude that Okafor's failure was not due to incompetence; how can you really say that. It is a fact that Okafor was sent after Maimalari; Maimalari escaped but only then ran into Ifeajuna who promptly executed him. You also allege that Okafor 'went after Ironsi' (no evidence of this anywhere), and still Ironsi escaped as well. So how do we define incompetence if he didnt complete a single task?
Why do you equally say Ifeajuna completed his tasks flawlessly? As soon as word was out about the coup and its impending failure, he killed his targets in cold blood and fled to Ghana. Why did he not go after Ironsi who was quelling the coup? That was the rational and bold action to take. By engaging Ironsi in a winner takes all fight, they might still have had some hope in accomplishing their objective.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by nduchucks: 1:53pm On Dec 31, 2009|
The allegations and many of his assertions are indeed based on hearsay. Dede1 and other revisionists like him peddle these untruths all over the internet and simply expect everyone to accept these untruths as gospel. He has no evidence whatsoever to support his claims. Dede1 should provide supporting evidence if he has any.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 2:02pm On Dec 31, 2009|
“Maimalari escaped but only then ran into Ifeajuna who promptly executed him” 2nd paragraph
“Why do you equally say Ifeajuna completed his tasks flawlessly? As soon as word was out about the coup and its impending failure, he killed his targets in cold blood and fled to Ghana”. 3rd paragraph
Please explain the factual correlation of these statements. In one instance, he promptly executed his target. In another instance, he waited and sniffed that the coup was about to collapse then Ifeajuna eliminated his target.
“Why did he not go after Ironsi who was quelling the coup?”
The statement portrayed you as a person who knew little about military parlance. You expect Ifeajuna, with four soldiers, to go against the GOC of Nigerian army that now in command of military cantonment in Yaba? Even Maj. Chukwuka who tried to bluff his way into the Yaba military cantonment was lucky to have escaped without being summarily shot by soldiers on sentry on the orders of the GOC.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by Dede1(m): 2:09pm On Dec 31, 2009|
Pal, how about holiday? I thought you were an antagonist to the global warming crap? I am surprised to read that you have gone gaga with a cyclist such as David Ejoor.
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by ikeyman00(m): 4:23pm On Mar 21, 2010|
i dnt think u are a goood modertor
dnt bother about proof; it isnt hard to find
but yeah there u go
richyblack is far too better for those of yall haters crew
|Re: Open Letter To Seun And Politics Section Moderator(s) by kosovo(m): 4:26pm On Mar 21, 2010|
^^^ Thank you for your observation.
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