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Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:29pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@david have a heart. stop seeing these things from the perspective of a failed country. look beyond the failed black nation and see the human faces in tears. if they were ur relatives u'll be livid with rage if the govt doesnt act in 24hrs or even less. stop saying people were impatient. i know how those guys were almost abandoned in new orleans and not only that, in some areas they were even practically locked down. bush was even wrongly accused of being racist when the his subordinates were the ones who failed to act as he directed |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
chiogo: All these little kids with access to computers. Hmmm take stock with some of the guys here, many of them disagree with my point but they dont put it across with such a severe lack of civility. To address your point . . . is black-on-black crime the reason blacks are at the economic end of the ladder? So bob crime is why the teen pregnancy rates among blacks is highest? Its why the drop out rate is also highest among blacks right? So whites dont have white-on-white crime which is even of greater magnitude? Seriously? |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
there are plenty of dirt poor eastern eurpoean countries ditto for asian |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by platinumnk(f): 10:31pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: Yes that is the very reason why they are at the bottom. It is not a fact! David they BUILT back Bourboun St in less than a year after Katrina, can you tell me why New Orleans drinking water is not safe to drink yet? Can you tell me that if u drive less than 2 miles away from Downtown New orleans you see houses that are exactly the same when Katrina hit? or how many years later we still have displaced citizens? can you tell me how a publically funded university still have the same problems from Katrina of 2005? Again, you probaly never been in New orleans, so you are left to believe the new stories you hear |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Uche2nna(m): 10:31pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Phew!!!!! I am glad the rants are over. davidylan: David U are doing a lot of injustice to most NL members with that submission. There is no day that I log onto NL that I dont see a thread or a post reminding us about how messed up Nigeria is. People realize that. Just like U are willing to ask questions, there are a lot of posters that have raised the same issues in several posts and threads. The only difference is the timing and manner in which it was delivered. your timing was what people reacted to and not necessarily the content of your posts. Surely u must have realized that by now. Otele raised a very valid point about the so called Asian tigers. Not so long ago China was so poor and hungry that pundits thot they wont make it to the nineties. Guess what, China is the manufacturing capital of the world. So dont take a defeatist attitude towards the plight of the black man. We might get it right one day. I dont know how but I will tell U one thing, we are not going to get it right by reveling in the blame game. That leads us nowhere. Take Haiti's issues for instance, your view is more long term; some posters also wanted to help in the short term. My question is this : must these two be mutually exclusive? Cant we find a way to integrate these two approaches? |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Ndipe(m): 10:31pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
This is not the time to criticise, but time to cast aside sentiments and logic and help out. The casualties are more interested in survival in the meantime than hearing logic on what went wrong and how they can better themselves. It's like kicking a man when he is already down. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:32pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
cold: i disagree, he was refering to the arabs and to a lesser extent the white man. the black man has a heart, infact it is his weakness, usually exploited in history by the whites, and in modern times it makes him weak on issues he should be strict. however the black man's biggest enemy is ignorance. and he ignorantly doesnt know it |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:33pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
cold: here we go again - |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by chiogo(f): 10:33pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan:LOL that was just one example, sorry that flew over your head. Ponder on your questions and you might just find the answers. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cap28: 10:33pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@davidylan you are completely wrong in everything you have said on here about Haiti. Haiti is the only former slave colony that emancipated itself from slavery, it fought and defeated 3 foreign imperial countries - france, britain and spain. It was declared a republic in 1804 and that is where its problems began. It was forced to pay reparations running into millions of francs for the simple reason that it stood up to the west and won. Has Nigeria done even one quarter of any of that. all Haiti's present day problems stem from Western interference, to be precise - american interference. after it became a republic europe and america imposed economic trade embargos against the country for over 50 years which caused its economy to collapse. america has invaded Haiti more than 5 times each time putting in power puppet leaders - Papa Doc and Baby Doc were both US puppets who destroyed their countries economy in cahoots with the americans. the only time the Haitians had any chance of good leadership was when the people's choice Jean Paul Aristide was democratically elected in 2004 unfortunately he was abducted and deported to the Congo sixth months later by US trained militias acting on behalf of Washington who didnt like the fact that Aristide wanted to introduce a minimum wage, take back land appropriated by american multinationals and use it for growing food for Haitian people. Haiti has now been converted into a giant sweat shop where americans exploit the cheap labour paying them as little as 15 cents an hour. Haiti has never been given a chance to prosper instead it was punished for daring to stand up and challenge the West. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:34pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Uche2nna: I would believe that of you and a few other posters here like debosky . . . for the most part, the other loudmouths simply jumped on the "silly" wagon. Many of them didnt even have a point. I might be wrong but i dont think there is ever any "good" time to raise such issues. Are we waiting until such strikes Nigeria? |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Sauron1: 10:34pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: America did nothing with New Orleans. Japan did nowt in the Kobe earthquakes. No country can prepare for a disaster with this magnitude. 100,000 people dead and counting. Not even Hitler's genocide claimed so many lives in a single day. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:35pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
cap28: Ah the usual blame game. The US is always at fault isnt it? I guess its time to wash my car afterall . . . silly season is about to strike. Peace out. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by yeswecan(m): 10:36pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@Kobojunkie i think you took my words off context, i was only trying to say that we should stop looking up to or believing in THE west and find our path. As far as i am concern the west are only working for their interest. Take China for instance, they found a path and they are doing great. And yes Africans are designed to fail . . . what do you say about the[b] Bantu Education Act of 1953 [/b] is that not failure in practice. If they can do that in the open when it was legal, it is safe to say it can be done indirectly now |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by platinumnk(f): 10:37pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
~Sauron~: And according to David, we're supposed to sit still, specualate and wash our cars when people are dying? Greeeeeeeeeeeeat |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
cycles empires rise and fall egypt was once the center of civilisation greece was once the center of civilisation rome was once the center of civilisation britain was once a superpower mongolia once ruled a significant portion of the world america is a declining superpower we've been there, and we'll get back there - just that it will not be in our generation. who knos maybe the whites of that time will have the same angst |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:41pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
oyb: from the direction you can predict the destination. looking at our own nigeria, in 100yrs, we'll be begging haiti for shelter |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Sauron1: 10:42pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
platinumnk: Especially when America made these 3rd world countries poor in the first place. . . . A Government run by the rich such as this one and the traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their RICH natural resources. Haitians are where they are because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by MandingoII(m): 10:43pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@mandigo Unfortunately, you have Brain-Dead blacks that like to attach SUPERNATURAL energies to mother nature. and the recurrent superstitious embicles that SWEAR they are right about NOTHING. This THREAD is beneath me. I do not argue with minds that cannot graft rudimentary principles. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by yeswecan(m): 10:44pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
otele: I understand you . . . but the countries you mentioned are just doing fine . . . they are not doing that great. I believe we can do better if we develop our own way of doing things. I mean not all countries must be on democracy . . . . . we can do what we understand instead of doing what the western world thinks is best for us. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by H2O2: 10:45pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Ndipe:Ndipe - succint! Like he said, cast aside sentiments. If you don't mind and are not inconvenienced, help the Haitians climbing an uphill battle to survive this natural disaster. Anyone who takes umbrage at that entry is being conspicuously senseless. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Uche2nna(m): 10:46pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: But some[i] times[/i] are better than others. And besides, raising the issue is as easy as saying cakes. The crux of the matter is identifying solutions. Thats where NL forums fails woefully. We are quick to judge, point fingers and even trade insults. Very few are willing to think deep and come up with solutions (or at least try to). We find a way to blame everybody and everyone but OURSELVES. Just like my professor back home blaming the woes of the educational system solely on the Nigerian Govt, without realizing that there are places where he could take control and exert more responsibility. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cold(m): 10:46pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
otele: I'll assume u're jokin.The black man is his own worst enemy. after it became a republic europe and america imposed economic trade embargos against the country for over 50 years which caused its economy to collapse. Ur argument falls flat on it's face when we bring Cuba to the equation.After years of trade embargo courtesy of the United States-Cuba can still hold its own.For the record,Cuba has one the best natural disaster warnings in the world in place for disasters such as hurricanes & earthquakes.I ask again,is this an issue of color or brainsize. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:48pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
~Sauron~: how about if we refuse to buy those expensive goods. force better trade negotiations. gain better respect and treatment. wont things be better? president shagari introduced austerity in the early 80s(as i heard, ) which slowed down importations from europe et al, many companies in england folded and laid off workers. they would have decided to re-negotiate with nigeria, which would have benefitted us, but it failed. know why? greed. black man's greed made it fail. so we started to buy those expensive stuff again, to show off. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cold(m): 10:52pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
We shld contribute our 'widows mite' to help our brothers in Haiti but this is som serious food for thought-how long are goin to continue lyk this |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Sauron1: 10:52pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
otele: How can we refuse? Can a starving dog refuse a chunk of cooked meat? These plutocratic governments knew what they were doing bringing expensive wares to 3rd world nations. . . .Of course they knew we would fall for it. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:53pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@cold i dont get ur point but i was trying to refute someone's statement that the black man is heartless. i believe the average blackman is compassionate but somewhat ignorant |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 10:55pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@suaron why must we fall for it? if it is essential stuff like medicine, ok. but must we buy non essential and expensive stuff? did our ancestors have lexus? did tafawa balewa live in a $1million house? we fell for the expensive stuff and we have to suffer the economic consequences |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cold(m): 10:58pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
otele: I made that statement that the heart of man is desperately wicked is specifically referrin to the black man.Gawd y do we hate our selves so much.The aid to Haiti we're talkin abt,u'll discover that the 'white skinned' man wld maq practically 3/4 of the donations even if he has nothin to loose if Haiti is wiped off the map,get my drift? |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by otele(m): 11:03pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
hey hey mr cold, dont go there pls. i agree the haitians should have whatever money they can get but dont let urself be fooled into thinking the whiteman is nice. they'll have all the feel good about this aid but that's it. nothing more |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Sauron1: 11:03pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
otele: They were conned into it. . . .Civilization and reh reh reh. I don't blame any Black Nation. . . . .These white lethargic devils poisoned our lands whilst siphoning a huge proportion of our natural resources. There's no coup in Africa that does not have the blessings of Caucasians. Their objective is to sponsor a puppet Dictator with arms and cash and control the resources of such States. Was Thatcher's son not arrested in Equatorial Guinea for alleged involvement in a coup attempt? That is the level these white bastards can stoop to make African children dig for food in refuse dumps. |
Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by yeswecan(m): 11:06pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
~Sauron~: My point. |
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