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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 1:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Apina:I have being there before. Here are facts and proves that back my assertion an Idolater is a devoted admirer of idols but what does the Bible say about images and idols? 1. Exodus 20:4-5 “Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.” Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes. Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes. Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.” Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes. 2. Leviticus 26:1 “You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.” Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes. Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes. 3. Deuteronomy 4:16 “Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.” Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males. 4. Deuteronomy 16:22 “Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.” Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes. Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes. 5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9 “How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.” Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes. 6. Deuteronomy 27:15 “CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.” Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes. Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by clefstone(m): 1:58pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89:the people of Corinth were not Jews sir |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Shafiiimran99: 1:58pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:To me, all of u practice paganism cos u all believe that jesus's blood can save u which is pagan believe |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Apina(m): 2:02pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:According to u, an image is an abomination, the pictures on ur phone, ur personal ones, what are they called? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Shafiiimran99:Jesus blood is literally not physically because you can't see the blood of Jesus. Those using ribena colour are only using it as a symbol but the reality is the blood of Jesus can't be seen |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 2:05pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Apina:They're imagines but do I bow down or worship it? No because if I do am involved in idolatry, that's the bone of contention with the Catholic faith. Don't shall not bow to any graven image or it's likeness |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Apina(m): 2:18pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:U are contradicting Urself, u said making an image is an abomination and u agreed that ur personal pics on ur Fone are images, which other explanation are u giving. Secondly, did moses not make a bronze serpent and placed at the middle of the camp during the snake invasion. Read up the book of Leviticus and u would see passages where moses was instructed to make some designs for the ark which included images of the seraph etc. And for posterity sake, what we have in the Catholic church are called statues which are representations of whomever they depict and honour not worship is accorded them, for worship is for God alone. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 2:23pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Apina:Does that dispute the fact that most of your members don't bow to it? That's the issue. Bowing to those sculptures is what they Bible streess on. There's nothing wrong having imaging of people you admire but don't bow down to it. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by bewla(m): 2:24pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:na zo |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by winnerz: 2:30pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit: Your question is good. I shall proceed to answer as follows. 1. There is no instruction in the bible by God that women should not be leaders. Remember Deborah in Judges 4:4-... 2. It's in the law of Moses that women have no inheritance in Israel, but God didn't say so. The case of the children of Zelophehad in Numbers 28:1-11 is another example. That is an example of tradition that is still practiced in Nigeria. 3. The sister of Aaron, Miriam, was a prophetess, did she kept quiet in the congregation? No. She prophesied and sang Exodus 15:20-21. God didn't chide her. 4. New testament, women ministered to Jesus Christ in Luke 10:38-42. Jesus spoke in Luke 8:21 also. 5. In the words of Peter, Luke 24:22-23. Meaning women were part of the body of Christ, and they were together and were given utterances. Paul was not there with them! 6. Finally, Paul had the background of a seasoned Pharisee and that sometimes manifested in his ministry. For time let me end with. Matthew 15:1-15 or to end. Especially verse 3. Shalom! 6. 2 Likes |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Shafiiimran99: 2:30pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:Jesus say when pray do not pray like hypocrites cos they standin in synagogue, street corner etc. But u people fail to obey jesus cos pray like hypocrite, y? Also u do babbling when u pray and jesus said u should not |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Apina(m): 2:34pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:People bow down to monarchs and those they respect, does that automatically qualify as worship? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 2:35pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Apina:The bible was specific on idolatry. Those bowing to monarch are on their own |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by vanvino(m): 2:38pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
The problem with us christians both pastors & members is that We behave as if we have all the answers to all the scriptural questions a curious individual & when we are hook we start attacking the person, call him name but What is wrong with saying u dont knw? U have no idea is the question is bigger than u? Truth is the Religious anwers we claim to have is not far from what/how we are/where program to believ which has been part of our upbringing with no question ask. The whole christianity is center on Faith & Belief is like Love u cant find ur answers from Logical or Rational angle. I mean how will someone Leave 99 sheep on the field just to go look for one. how does this make sense? (Luke 15) But the story was not meant to make sense but the story of Love & Value 1 Like |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by bentuzene(m): 2:53pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit: Hmmm yes Paul did say this but lets look at it this way, if Women were to keep quiet in the Church, what would we achieve as a Church? Though I am not in full support of them becoming major heads but then I cannot also support silencing them from ministering too... Tabitha wasn't silenced, Phoebe wasn't even the Church is referred to as a female in the Bible. I say let them speak but with caution and humility just as every minister of God should! |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Saintinoo(m): 2:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Augustap:unbelievers gave you that name "Christain" and you said it's to distinguish between you and them? How? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Saintinoo(m): 3:00pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89:did Jesus mention anywhere in the Bible that he is creating another religion? Mind you Jesus practised Judaism, and Christainity was founded by who? Not paul because their is no prove, Romans? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Saintinoo(m): 3:02pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
adelumolo:you mean that cult religion that lives on human blood? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Saintinoo(m): 3:06pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
irynterri:what about Jesus, didn't he also convert from Judaism to Christainity? When did you think Christainity begun? During the time of Jesus, Saul was changed to Paul before Christainity started to exist |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Saintinoo(m): 3:10pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
almsofgold:i wouldn't want to qoute you but because i want to take you out of ignorant let me make you understand this, Jesus bowed while praying to God because that is the Jew way of praying, mind you their was nothing like islam as at that time. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by orunto27: 3:10pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
St. Paul used Analogue. Apostles today use Digital Computers to transmit God's Messages. One is old fashion and the other is modern. God loves them all for He is the Motive behind them. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by impeccablephili: 3:13pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:Galatians 3:28 says there is neither Jew nor Greek,there is neither bond nor free,there is neither male nor female, for ye are one in Christ Jesus going by the bible passage above, anybody can work in the household of God. For the fact that Paul told Corinthian women not to participate in church discussion does not mean we apply it to all other women. He said that because they were causing problems in the church. There are churches today where those causing problems there are men. Moreover there were great women in the bible, such as Deborah that ruled Israel and led them to war in judges chapter 5 |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by orunto27: 3:15pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
The Grace has takenover from The Law. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: hmmm, this is another dimension in christainity. I know of some christian group that are anti-paul. They believe Paul brought about confusion in Christianity. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by TAYO124: 3:28pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
What of the scripture that says there is no male or female in the body of Christ. Take no single verse out of context because one scripture balances another. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by SirGoldEjike(m): 3:33pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit: |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by orunto27: 3:34pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Paul was drunk then. He was even reported somewhere to be wooing a Sharia Princess then. Jesus Christ ordained Mary to talk on rooftops. We also had Apostles Julie & co. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by SirGoldEjike(m): 3:35pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:Paul was addressing an uprising by Women in the city of corrianth which crept into the church AT THAT TIME |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by victor8269: 3:53pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
saintmark88:If you read down, you would notice that Paul we said it was his opinion and not God's opinion |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by victor8269: 3:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
orunto27:Who's this one quoting the book of Lucifer to us na |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by bishopjoe02(m): 3:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
saintmark88: read the 1corithian 14:38 again it said " as also saith the law." that means the Corinthian have a law that forbid women from speaking in the synagogue. do we have such law in Nigeria 1 Like 1 Share |
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