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Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by malvisguy212: 12:44pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz:what happened to you ? are you an atheist ? please don't be an atheist. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 1:07pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
malvisguy212:I'm not an atheist, just religious skeptic and agnostic. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by Nobody: 1:14pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
malvisguy212: what difference does it make? according to luvmijeje and other fanatics Muslims, Catholic, pagans and atheists are going to the same place. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 1:32pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz:You have shot yourself in the foot So if I decide to publish a book in english it automatically means that i am from england abi? You can see that your logic is going to the dust bin? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by malvisguy212: 2:18pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz:alright, be very careful. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by malvisguy212: 2:21pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:I don't think you believe in yourself, if you don't, how can you believe in God existence ? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by Nobody: 2:38pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
malvisguy212: what has this trash you typed got to do with my statement? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 3:07pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:SMH. You are comparing modern age to ancient age, England has colonized some countries and these countries have adopted their language, so no that won't make you an English man but the name of the author can be use to trace it origin. E.g Wole Soyinka wrote his books in English but from his name we know he is of Yoruba tribe in Nigeria, we don't need Sherlock Holmes to tell us the book author came from Nigeria. Looking at the bible, the names of writers of the bible were credited in the bible and they are Hebrew/Jews, can you tell me any Chinese man that wrote the bible? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 3:20pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: You see yourself, You think England was the first to start colonialism? Or you think colonialism wasnt around in ancient times? And your second excuse is lame as well If I erase wole soyinka from your anedoctal book and put my name, what can you do to verify....? Cant u see you are grasping straws now? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 4:29pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Did I said England was the first to start colonization? New testament was said to be written in Greek and some other language, does that mean the writers were Greeks? Even Paul that claim to be roman citizen was still a Jew. And your second excuse is lame as wellSo from your logic, you wake up in the morning and claim you wrote wole Soyinka published books ? Oh nice. That's copyright infringement. By your logic again, are you saying the writers of bible are not originally the writers? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 4:34pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz:See your self You are the one who first said the language the bible was written in tells you the people were Isrealites. Now u are reversing and attacking your own logic. Also, How do you know Paul is real? Simple You have been beating around the bush? You are quoting Paul, yet u say the book you found his name first is false, Cant you see your hypocrisy? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 5:12pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Are the bible authors not from Israel?, I don't understand where your argument is heading. Also,Where did i said he is real? Do I care about someone who claim to see an imaginary vision along the road. I'm just replying with what the bible entails. You have been beating around the bush?SMH, now I know why they call you felixmoron(no offense). I asked you if you believe in captain America existence, you skipped it. So because I quote apostle Paul means I believe he's real? If you quote batman do you automatically believe he's real? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 5:16pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: Your 1st line: Are the bible wiriters not from Israel? Your 2nd line: U r asking where u said Paul is real, when ur first sentence universally says he is from israel. You are confused. Sorry 1 Like |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 5:48pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Perter parker(Spiderman) is from new York, U.S, is he real? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 5:58pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz:We know the man who wrote and authored spiderman Its copyrighted as sci-fiction Stop clutching straws.... Is Paul real? Simple question 1 Like |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 6:46pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Good, since Spiderman is sci-fiction then the bible stories are legends, myth. Reason because both spiderman comic and bible does not have evidence for their stories. Is Paul real?Nope, I don't believe he's real. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 7:12pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: So because spider man is fiction, The bible is fiction..... Lol Please how old are you? Have u heard of fallacy of hasty generalization? Please Google it. And then there are several archeological evidences that show Paul existed. Even secular critics and historians now admit that Jesus and Paul existed.. Even muslims agree that Paul existed. I hope u can now see that the world has left u behind? 1 Like |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by butterflylion: 7:15pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor: I told him he is like someone born in the stone age but argues that he knows how an Android device functions. The guy isn't worth your time. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 7:16pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
butterflylion:Lmao Honestly |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 7:49pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:The bible is fiction because the stories are not universally accepted to be historical, e.g Moses, he does not even exist in Egypt history, there is no records of Moses in Egypt nor the splitting of the sea. And then there are several archeological evidences that show Paul existed.Lol, Paul only exist in the circle of Abrahamic religion, Paul biography is not accurate, there is no much about his life time. The character Paul contradict itself in the bible. Paul letters are agreed by scholars to be forgeries, invented, Jesus has been classified to be a myth, so Paul full chance of being real can't be found and not universally accepted. So why should i believe such person is real? And about Muslims, lol, Muslims also believes in fictions and Paul is a fraud to them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by butterflylion: 8:11pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
author=tintingz post=59313950]The bible is fiction because the stories are not universally accepted to be historical, e.g Moses, he does not even exist in Egypt history, there is no records of Moses in Egypt nor the splitting of the sea. Read and stop being ignorant. http://wyattmuseum.com/discovering/red-sea-crossing https://www.preteristarchive.com/Ancient_Revelations/epigraphy/egypt_exodus-crossing.html Lol, Paul only exist in the circle of Abrahamic religion, Paul biography is not accurate, there is no much about his life time. The character Paul contradict itself in the bible. Paul letters are agreed by scholars to be forgeries, invented, Jesus has been classified to be a myth, so Paul full chance of being real can't be found and not is universally accepted. So why should i believe such person is real? Read below. Note the different names all giving the same testimony about the same Paul you said never existed. Of course Muslims would never agree to anything that discredits their much hallowed only fit for the toilet Quran. If Paul never existed then I suppose all these sources decided to hold a meeting and cook up stories right? Perhaps they beheaded an imposter as Muslims also believe someone else died in place of Jesus. Paul's death is described in a number of sources: I Clement (95–96 AD) suggests that both Paul and Peter were martyred. There is an early tradition found in the writing of Ignatius, probably around 110 AD, that Paul was martyred. Dionysius of Corinth, in a letter to the Romans (166–174 AD), stated that Paul and Peter were martyred in Italy. Eusebius also cites the Dionysius passage. The Acts of Paul, an apocryphal work written around 160, describes the martyrdom of Paul. According to the Acts of Paul, Nero condemned Paul to death by decapitation. Tertullian in his Prescription Against Heretics (200 AD) writes that Paul had a similar death to that of John the Baptist, who was beheaded. Eusebius of Caesarea in his Church History (320 AD) testifies that Paul was beheaded in Rome and Peter crucified. He wrote that the tombs of these two apostles, with their inscriptions, were extant in his time; and quotes as his authority a holy man of the name of Caius. Lactantius wrote that Nero "crucified Peter, and slew Paul." (318 AD) Jerome in his De Viris Illustribus (On Illustrious Men) (392 AD) states that Paul was beheaded at Rome. John Chrysostom (c. 349–407) wrote that Nero knew Paul personally and had him killed. Sulpicius Severus says Nero killed Peter and Paul. (403 AD) |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 8:49pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus Even wikipedia talks about Jesus and the authenticity of his history..... Go and cure your ignorance. You are the only fraud here. No wonder someone said you are not worth the time |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 9:03pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
butterflylion:You are quoting from a Jehovah witness-like site to prove Moses and the crossing of sea exist/happened? How can people cross the sea that is deep with rocks? The scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical,[8] although a "Moses-like figure" may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-13th century BC.[31] Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses Read below. Note the different names all giving the same testimony about the same Paul you said never existed. Of course Muslims would never agree to anything that discredits their much hallowed only fit for the toilet Quran.I don't know this people, who are they? And do you agree Paul letters were forgery, invented? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by butterflylion: 9:13pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: Do you agree that your writings and thoughts behind your writings are invented and a forgery? |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 9:43pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Did you also search for this... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory In this article it says there is no physical and archaeological evidence for Jesus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus The existence of Jesus is still on debate and there is no genuine evidence to prove he existed, the only reason some scholars argued he existed was because there are some stories about Jesus written by three non-christians and one of it(Josephus) is not even entirely genuine. With all these you expect me to accept Jesus christ exist/existed, Even if I agree he existed he's not a divine person because a divine person should have enough evidence for his existence with no argument. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 9:51pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
butterflylion:Same question goes to you. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 9:52pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: This is what the article you sited states "In modern scholarship, the Christ Myth Theory is a fringe theory not supported by any tenured specialists in biblical criticism or cognate disciplines." It's like you also have a reading problem. And i can see you are now trying to shift goal post by saying 'even if he existed" What a joke! |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 10:18pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:I have stated why some scholars argued he existed. ok, they dont support it, agreed, do they support this? There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus. All sources are documentary, mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. Jesus story is the joke. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 10:33pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: Quiet please, I gave you article that sited at least four secular historians and you are still uttering gibberish by saying that evidences are "Christian writings"? Do you have a Reading problem? You are using a theory backed up with nothing Not even a critic scholar. Shame! And what other evidence do you need from as far back as 30 AD other than documentation? Were there videos then? Its also documentation that helps us to know people like Abraham lincoln and Christopher Columbus existed... There were no videos or photos then And on archeological evidence: You have been telling lies http://www.icr.org/article/has-archaeological-evidence-for-jesus-been-discove/ Stop acting dense to cover your tracks Chai |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 11:09pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:Archaeological evidence of Abraham Lincoln exist, there are real pictures taken by photographers during his time, there are writtens and signature of Abraham Lincoln, these alone without mentioning other evidence is the physical and archaeological evidence for Abraham Lincoln, don't compare this to Jesus that his archaeological evidence cannot be found, there should be something physical to prove Jesus existed. Don't be dumb. The article you provided does not even state the archaeological evidence of Jesus, the site is even a christian site smh. The biblical critics scholars might not support the myth theory but they can't deny there is no archaeological evidence for Jesus, and besides there are various critics scholars that find evidence of Jesus weak. And I will say it again, even if Jesus existed, he's not a divine person like Christians claim. |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by felixomor: 11:26pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
tintingz: @ the bolded Are u trying to now chicken out of your initial myth argument? I guess u have seen the foolishness in it. But u are too proud to admit directly... U cant even offer a single credible name or argument that counters the secular scholars and historians who have confirmed the history of Jesus Its unfortunate it took almost 2 days to open your eyes To see the foolishness in your myth argument Even in an internet era What a shame! |
Re: How Atheism Fails To Explain A Beginning To The Universe by tintingz(m): 11:50pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
felixomor:It is not chicken out, it shows your deity Jesus Christ was just a human after all. A divine person existed and doesn't have any physical evidence, what a joke! Do the secular scorlars said they found Jesus archaeological evidence eh? 1 Like |
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