CraigB:

The BMW engine is thanks to World War II darkness. You have no point.

"Continuous improvement" is the phrase.

To add it also gave us and the World SASOL and DSTV

Thiza: @augustus Haraaaaaaaaaa is this your military capabilities Nigerian navy has 19 admirals and 34 commodores, but can only put to sea nine main vessels. The air force remains with just a handful of operational aircraft, after 15 years of heavy budgetary allocations to the armed forces under military rule.

you are a confirm okobo. a big time dummy. am not angry for your post. but that you would use a 10+ years article to judge the present. do you have a brain at all? wow.. this copy and paste brain must be a common disease to south africans.. SMH

chris365:

you are a confirm okobo. a big time dummy. am not angry for your post. but that you would use a 10+ years article to judge the present. do you have a brain at all? wow.. this copy and paste brain must be a common disease to south africans.. SMH

i tire for the guy sef.

Citicism by Naija wont make the story of being bleeped BY BH GO AWAY.....NIGERIAN ARMY CANNOT EVEN PROVIDE ACCURATE CASUALTIES FIGURES.......SYMPTOMS OF A RAG TAG ARMY IN POSSESSSION OF SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY.

ON MISSILE ISSUE NIGERIA ASKED NORTH KOREA IN 2004 AND THE DEAL WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL....CONCERNING SO MUCH OFFICERS WITHIN NIGERIAN ARMY ...ITS A CLEAR INDICATION OF USING THE MILITARY AS AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY...........BH PROVE TO THE NIGERIAN ARMY WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF INSIDE NIGERIA. NOW WAITING FOR EXCUSES AND INSULTS AS NAIJA ARE EXPERTS ON SUCH MATTERS

Nigeria's army and Boko Haram militants have engaged in a fierce gun battle in the north-eastern Borno state, reportedly leaving scores dead on either side.

The army says it killed 150 militants, while 16 soldiers died and nine more are missing.However, local media report that around 100 soldiers may have died. BBC Nigeria analyst Bashir Abdullahi says it is clear that the army still faces a tough battle with Boko Haram.

He notes that the military often plays down its own casualty figures. Army spokesman Ibrahim Attahiru said a heavily guarded militant base in the Kasiya forest north of the state capital Maiduguri was raided on 12 September - this is the first time the details have been made public.

Brig Attahiru said the militants had gathered at a "well fortified position with anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns mounted on vehicles".

He also said that a militant commander, Abba Goroma, who had a bounty of 10m naira ($62,000; £39,000), was among those killed.

Communications with Borno state have been severely disrupted since May, when a state of emergency was declared in Borno and two neighbouring states. Boko Haram has not commented on the reports. Several thousand people have been killed since the militant group launched its insurgency in 2009, seeking to create an Islamic state in the mainly Muslim north of Nigeria. Under the state of emergency thousands of extra troops have been sent to the area. Local vigilante groups have also been formed to help counter the militants but scores of these volunteers have been killed in recent weeks. Last month, the army said it had killed Boko Haram's leader Abubakar Shekau but this has not been confirmed and the militants' attacks have continued. Brig Attahiru also said that President Jonathan had ordered the deployment of extra troops to the central state of Nasarawa, east of the capital Abuja, following ethnic clashes which have left a reported 50 people dead in recent days.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nagerian%20casualties%20by%20boko%20haram&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDsQFjAD&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%62%62%63%2e%63%6f%2e%75%6b%2f%6e%65%77%73%2f%77%6f%72%6c%64%2d%61%66%72%69%63%61%2d%32%34%31%34%35%30%35%31&ei=gzE6UtLIPKehiAfi9oCQAQ&usg=AFQjCNFgt_EDVFFK4NX29iM02pUKUhW6OA&bvm=bv.52288139,d.aGc&cad=rjt

16 100 who cares they laughed at us for bangui so now i will laugh

NOW THE ILL DISCIPLINE NIGERIAN ARMY IS REVOLTING/MUTINY READ BELOW

ABOUT 40 soldiers from the Nigerian Army are feared dead and a further 65 missing after they ran into a Boko Haram ambush in the Kasiya Forests in northern Borno State. According to local reports, the troops were left to face the heavily armed insurgents who attacked them from different directions following the failure of the planners of the operation to provide aerial support. Their colleagues are reported to have fired indiscriminately into the air to protest against the killings which they described as strategic errors.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=recent%20casualties%20of%20nigeria%20army%20against%20boko%20haram&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CF4QFjAI&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%6e%69%67%65%72%69%61%6e%77%61%74%63%68%2e%63%6f%6d%2f%6e%65%77%73%2f%32%35%31%37%2d%61%72%6d%79%2d%64%65%6e%69%65%73%2d%72%65%70%6f%72%74%2d%74%68%61%74%2d%34%30%2d%73%6f%6c%64%69%65%72%73%2d%77%65%72%65%2d%6b%69%6c%6c%65%64%2d%62%79%2d%62%6f%6b%6f%2d%68%61%72%61%6d%2d%79%65%73%74%65%72%64%61%79&ei=HzU6Uub2GoObigfw6YCYCA&usg=AFQjCNEdFlflGOjwqC_7r7dfIOHwZpvo5Q&bvm=bv.52288139,d.aGc&cad=rjt

No fewer than 40 soldiers of the Nigerian Army were feared killed in a Boko Haram ambush in the north of Borno State.

A highly placed military source told our correspondent on Tuesday that about 65 others were missing as a result of the attack by the Islamic militants.

Investigations revealed that the insurgents attacked the soldiers in Kasiya Forests, north of Borno State.

It was learnt that the troops were left to face the heavily armed insurgents, who attacked them from different directions following the failure of the planners of the operation to give aerial support to the soldiers.

It was also gathered that soldiers involved in the ongoing campaign against the Boko Haram insurgents were firing indiscriminately into the air to protest against the killings which they described as strategic errors.

The soldiers were said to have demanded why the initial arrangement of aerial support was not provided to back the soldiers.

The source added that the casualty figure on the side of the Nigerian soldiers in the ongoing campaign against the insurgents had been on the high side as a result of repeated mistakes and communication inadequacies.

But the authorities of the Nigerian Army denied the report that it lost 40 soldiers with 65 others missing in a Boko Haram onslaught.

The Director of Army Public Relations, Brig. General Ibrahim Attahiru, said in an interview with our correspondent on Tuesday that soldiers of the 81 Battalion under the new created Division ‘7’ of the Nigerian Army carried out a raid on a Boko Haram hideout in Kasiya Forests of Ngazai Local Government Area of Borno State which resulted in a prolonged gun duel with the insurgents.

The Army spokesman said the invading troops of the Nigerian Army killed 150 of the insurgents and lost 15 men in the encounter, adding that nine other soldiers were still missing.

According to him, a wanted Boko Haram commander, Abba Goroma, was among those killed in the battle at the Kasiya Forest.

He said that the insurgents were well armed with anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons mounted on their vehicles.

He said, “On the 12th of September 2013, troops of 81 Battalion under ‘7’ Division of the Nigerian Army carried out a deliberate attack on an insurgent camp at Kasiya Forest.

“During the attack, a fierce battle ensued between our soldiers and the insurgents which lasted several hours.

“The insurgents were completely routed and the camp cleared. Over 150 insurgents died. On our own side, we lost one officer, a lieutenant and 15 soldiers, and nine other soldiers are still missing.

“The insurgent camp was well fortified with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons mounted on vehicles.

“One Abba Goroma, one top insurgent commander was killed, he was a high valued target, he had a bounty of N10m on his head.”

Similarly, the Director of Defence Information, Brig.-Gen. Chris Olukolade, said the operation at the Kasiya forest was carried out by ground forces with aerial support.

He confirmed that the camp had a high concentration of armed insurgents who were shooting wildly as the Nigerian troops turned the heat on them.

He said that even though, investigation into the operation had commenced, it had nothing to do with any operational shortcoming.

On the issue of the protest and anger exhibited by soldiers in Borno State over the killing of soldiers by the insurgents, he said that such a thing could not have happened considering the high level of discipline exhibited by the soldiers since the commencement of the operation.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=recent%20casualties%20of%20nigeria%20army%20against%20boko%20haram&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGEQFjAJ&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%70%75%6e%63%68%6e%67%2e%63%6f%6d%2f%6e%65%77%73%2f%34%30%2d%73%6f%6c%64%69%65%72%73%2d%66%65%61%72%65%64%2d%6b%69%6c%6c%65%64%2d%69%6e%2d%62%68%61%72%61%6d%2d%61%6d%62%75%73%68%2f&ei=HzU6Uub2GoObigfw6YCYCA&usg=AFQjCNHMgzbU63O41Zj1FCXA1EvJsxs9Hg&bvm=bv.52288139,d.aGc&cad=rjt

Thiza: NOW THE ILL DISCIPLINE NIGERIAN ARMY IS REVOLTING/MUTINY READ BELOW

ABOUT 40 soldiers from the Nigerian Army are feared dead and a further 65 missing after they ran into a Boko Haram ambush in the Kasiya Forests in northern Borno State. According to local reports, the troops were left to face the heavily armed insurgents who attacked them from different directions following the failure of the planners of the operation to provide aerial support. Their colleagues are reported to have fired indiscriminately into the air to protest against the killings which they described as strategic errors.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=recent%20casualties%20of%20nigeria%20army%20against%20boko%20haram&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CF4QFjAI&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%6e%69%67%65%72%69%61%6e%77%61%74%63%68%2e%63%6f%6d%2f%6e%65%77%73%2f%32%35%31%37%2d%61%72%6d%79%2d%64%65%6e%69%65%73%2d%72%65%70%6f%72%74%2d%74%68%61%74%2d%34%30%2d%73%6f%6c%64%69%65%72%73%2d%77%65%72%65%2d%6b%69%6c%6c%65%64%2d%62%79%2d%62%6f%6b%6f%2d%68%61%72%61%6d%2d%79%65%73%74%65%72%64%61%79&ei=HzU6Uub2GoObigfw6YCYCA&usg=AFQjCNEdFlflGOjwqC_7r7dfIOHwZpvo5Q&bvm=bv.52288139,d.aGc&cad=rjt

Like fôols, they rushed to turn Seleka into a joke. Now look at this mess. Poor planning. No aerial support. Ambush. Protests by soldiers. Missing personnel. Death. Tears and pain.

In the land of their forefathers.

Who's laughing now?

Nigerians must be worried when 65 soldiers go missing during the battle...HYPHOTESIS MAYBE THEY ARE CAPTURED WHICH LEAVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO THE STANDARD OF INTELLIGENCE AND TRAINING.....MAYBE THEY DEFECTED AND JOINED BOKO HARAM WHICH IN THIS CASE IS A QUESTION OF A VICTORY FOR BOKO HARAM......SOUTH AFRICANS DO NOT REJOICE OVER THIS MATTER, HOWEVER AFTER ALL THE INSUATION SHOWN BY NAIJAS REGARDING SELEKE REBELS INSPITE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE SHOWN THAT SOUTH AFRICA TROOPS PERFORMED EXCELLENT INSPITE OF BEING OVERWHELMED BY REBELS FOUGHT AND GAVE A GOOD PERFORMANCE NAIJAS WERE LIKE BULL DOGS MAKING A MOCKERY OF OUR SOLDIERS......NOW THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT......FEEL IT@AGAUGUSTUS

@graig lets wait for excuses and missed placed counter excuses including off the mark patriotic vitrolic statements.....shooooo hard to be Nigerian

Thiza: @graig lets wait for excuses and missed placed counter excuses including off the mark patriotic vitrolic statements.....shooooo hard to be Nigerian

Yup. They thrive on pulling other people down and they forget that they have a weak underbelly. I still remember one idîot posting here and celebrating some ceasefire. When he was challenged, he barked for two days. Now look at this.

They hid the raid of May 12. They waited all weekend before they revealed this "ambush" - busy cooking their books, no doubt.

South African soldiers are acquitting themselves well

Fighting a constant pessimism in South Africa on the fighting abilities of SANDF soldiers, the country’s battalion of soldiers involved in fighting have by all accounts fought with a high level of professionalism and expertise. With snipers unofficially scoring one of the longest-range kills against an M23 machine gun position, it is difficult to argue against the capabilities of South Africa’s soldiers. Beyond this, the direction of counter-mortar fire against M23 positions and the general conduct whilst being attacked themselves cannot be faulted.

Unofficial reports from the region indicate that FARDC officers are specifically requesting SANDF units to conduct operations alongside them rather than general FIB support. The faith in the South Africans’ fighting ability by Congolese soldiers themselves, if proven true, is a positive indication of a cash-strapped South African military doing well with very little.

M23 is struggling to counter

For M23, their defeat against the FIB this past few days must come as a shock. Accustomed to ineffective UN forces and a brittle FARDC security presence, the rebel organisation had likely anticipated an easy time of pushing out the FIB. Although M23′s twitter feed remains abuzz with healthy rhetoric promising retribution and serious counter-attack, tangible evidence of this is scarce for now.

One granule of substance from the rebels’ press machine has indicated a desire to inflict casualties on the South African contingent, hoping to trigger a CAR-esque reaction, where the deaths of 15 South Africans preceded a hasty withdrawal from Bangui. Although casualties within the FIB are to be expected, the SANDF, and indeed the South African government, need to decide at what point lives are being lost at an unacceptable level. For now, though, the light casualties (one South African mortarman wounded) are not a major concern.

For a breakdown of the FIB’s presence in the Eastern DRC, consult the African Defence

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=casualties%20inflicted%20on%20m23%20by%20sandf&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEsQFjAG&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%61%66%72%69%63%61%6e%64%65%66%65%6e%63%65%2e%6e%65%74%2f%77%65%65%6b%2d%31%2d%6f%66%2d%66%69%62%73%2d%77%61%72%2d%33%2d%6c%65%73%73%6f%6e%73%2d%6c%65%61%72%6e%65%64%2f&ei=AT06UuaJH8-ziQe4ioDoAw&usg=AFQjCNHggSD-HLEqb7CBrR3lGQhW4oV8XA&bvm=bv.52288139,d.aGc

zaandrew: 16 100 who cares they laughed at us for bangui so now i will laugh

For your information, more Nigerian Army soldiers will gallantly die fighting for the country ... that is for sure! But our troops will NEVER abandon the the mission like your coward SANDF models did against a ragtag SELEKA. If casualties are sustained, it is the more reason to finish-off the fight ... and like true warriors we finished-off the over 4 hours fight, dislodged and cleared out the forest leaving over 150 dead Boko Haram insurgents. We are still standing and there is no Shekau to make any more propaganda videos of terrorist rantings.



You let your fallen soldiers down by asconding like the cowards you all are!! But we showed respect and camaraderie to our fallen colleagues by holding ground and eliminating every single terrorist in that encounter! That's victory!!

NaijaPikinGidi:

For your information, more Nigerian Army soldiers will gallantly die fighting for the country ... that is for sure! But our troops will NEVER abandon the the mission like your coward SANDF models did against a ragtag SELEKA. If casualties are sustained, it is the more reason to finish-off the fight ... and like true warriors we finished-off the over 4 hours fight, dislodged and cleared out the forest leaving over 150 dead Boko Haram insurgents. We are still standing and there is no Shekau to make any more propaganda videos of terrorist rantings.



You let your fallen soldiers down by asconding like the cowards you all are!! But we showed respect and camaraderie to our fallen colleagues by holding ground and eliminating every single terrorist in that encounter! That's victory!!

They don't have a choice. They are stuck in Naai-geria, their country.

They had a choice in Mali and they went home. It's not as if you can argue anything other than the above anyway.

Spin doctoring. Fail.

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lets see south african army fight against its own citizens who are religious terrorists.....ANC rebels alone were bombing south africa on home soil and the military of south african never defeated ANC freedom fighters

islamic terrorists will turn the whole of south africa into a sleepless nation


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Taliban bomb kills Pakistani Army General, two other soldiers on home soil

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ISLAMABAD | Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:57am EDT

(Reuters) - A roadside bomb killed a Pakistani general and another officer on Sunday near the border with Afghanistan, the Pakistani army said, rare high-ranking casualties in Pakistan's war against militants.

Major General Sanaullah Khan, along with a lieutenant colonel and another soldier, were killed in the Upper Dir district after visiting an outpost near the border, the army said.

Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid claimed responsibility for the bombing, which Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said would not affect the fight against militants.

"Pakistan army has made substantial sacrifices to protect the nation against the menace of terrorism and such cowardly acts by terrorists cannot deter the morale of our armed forces," Sharif said in a statement.

The attack comes after weeks of discussions within Sharif's government about whether to pursue peace talks with the Pakistani Taliban, who are separate from Afghanistan's Taliban, although allied with them.

Last week, major political parties held a conference on the issue and agreed that talks should be pursued.

But it was not clear when talks might begin, who might take part or if they would be held under any conditions.

The killing of Khan and his colleagues would likely make it more difficult for the government to enter negotiations.

The Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella group of different factions, have said they would have their own meeting to decide whether to negotiate with the government. Analysts said it might be difficult for them to reach an agreement.

Taliban spokesman Shahid said the attacks would continue while the militants decided if the government's offer was genuine.

"If we find them serious we can talk, otherwise we will continue our attacks," he said.

The Taliban said last year that they would only consider talks if the government imposed strict Islamic law and went to war with old enemy India.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/15/us-pakistan-violence-idUSBRE98E05E20130915

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[size=16pt] 2,000 south african soldiers killed on home soil by ANC black terrorists [/size]

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/umkhunto-we-sizwe-mk

http://www.historytoday.com/gary-baines/south-africa%E2%80%99s-forgotten-war

"However, conscription caused considerable political ‘fallout’ as the number of SADF casualties grew. The number of those killed while on active duty in defence of the Republic of South Africa remains unclear, but it is thought to be at least 2,000. Nonetheless, from the mid-1980s the Border War was still regarded by the majority of conscripts (and their families) as a necessary commitment to ensure the continuation of white power and privilege. Occasionally, conscripts defied the system and joined oppositional organisations such as the End Conscription Campaign (ECC) and in rare instances national servicemen went into exile to join the ranks of the armed wings of the African National Congress (ANC) or Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC).

If one person’s ‘terrorist’ is another’s ‘freedom fighter’, then the white minority’s Border War was the black majority’s ‘liberation struggle’. "



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-atwLcmEno

Thiza: @augustus Haraaaaaaaaaa is this your military capabilities Nigerian navy has 19 admirals and 34 commodores, but can only put to sea nine main vessels. The air force remains with just a handful of operational aircraft, after 15 years of heavy budgetary allocations to the armed forces under military rule.

go back to pages 280 of this thread....4 new stealth warships are under construction for nigerian navy to arrive from next year...south africa too has only 4 new stealth warships...so what is the difference ?

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saengine:

By whose standards? Your standards?

What is his definition of "bigger and more complex"? You are not only putting words in his mouth by saying the range will be 500-1000km, you are putting your d*ck, your wife, your family and friends, all your possesions in his mouth. The poor man is in ICU now because of all the things you put in his mouth.

Example. What is that useless Nigerian UAV called? Amebo? Is Amebo II not "bigger and more complex" than Amebo I? But how is Amebo II compared to the world standard of UAV's being produced? It's still a piece of sh*t.

did you personally test or use a nigerian Amebo drone UAV too analyse its capabilities ? Brazil has requested that Nigeria allow them to come and join our Amebo drone project as a joint venture so that Brazil too can benefit and use the same nigerian made drones...fact !!!

south african UAV drones too are bad because we dont see them used in any war, they have ZERO history of combat achievement, all the DENEL hungwe, bateleur, and other are a piece of S..H..I..T, fact !!!

anyway, the nigerian Epe missile guardian quoted source says it is going to use some of the rocket variants to launch a nigerian space satellite into orbit, space satellites orbit in range of 500km to 1,000km so the nigerian made rockets is flying that high to accomplish that target...fact !!!

meanwhile, go look up the dictionary meaning of "bigger and more complex" since we all know you dropped out of a soweto school where the did not teach you mathematics and basic science, then now simple english vocabulary is also a big problem for you...fool

use your brain once in a while, you dont have to be told everything like a copy and paste addict, your fish brain could be improved by a DENEL upgrade i guess

your girlfriend will soon start loving me the way i kick you around on nairaland, then i overthrow your regime finally....you will have no girlfriend anymore....back to square one

Fighter Pilot:

That's a lie my friend. I know military strength of many African countries and not from the internet but the most reliable source.

post source of your claims on Egypt's military equipment and men....prove my own figures wrong, but if not....shut up like a modern day fool

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] 2,000 south african soldiers killed on home soil by ANC black terrorists [/size]

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/umkhunto-we-sizwe-mk

http://www.historytoday.com/gary-baines/south-africa%E2%80%99s-forgotten-war

"However, conscription caused considerable political ‘fallout’ as the number of SADF casualties grew. The number of those killed while on active duty in defence of the Republic of South Africa remains unclear, but it is thought to be at least 2,000. Nonetheless, from the mid-1980s the Border War was still regarded by the majority of conscripts (and their families) as a necessary commitment to ensure the continuation of white power and privilege. Occasionally, conscripts defied the system and joined oppositional organisations such as the End Conscription Campaign (ECC) and in rare instances national servicemen went into exile to join the ranks of the armed wings of the African National Congress (ANC) or Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC).

If one person’s ‘terrorist’ is another’s ‘freedom fighter’, then the white minority’s Border War was the black majority’s ‘liberation struggle’. "



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-atwLcmEno

The same Umkonto we siswe that makes up part of the SANDF today.

You have no point.

Wear your Boko Haram bliksem hat. Your military is useless.

And the article does not say "2000 killed by MK".

agaugust: .

lets see south african army fight against its own citizens who are religious terrorists.....ANC rebels alone were bombing south africa on home soil and the military of south african never defeated ANC freedom fighters

islamic terrorists will turn the whole of south africa into a sleepless nation


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Taliban bomb kills Pakistani Army General, two other soldiers on home soil

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ISLAMABAD | Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:57am EDT

(Reuters) - A roadside bomb killed a Pakistani general and another officer on Sunday near the border with Afghanistan, the Pakistani army said, rare high-ranking casualties in Pakistan's war against militants.

Major General Sanaullah Khan, along with a lieutenant colonel and another soldier, were killed in the Upper Dir district after visiting an outpost near the border, the army said.

Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid claimed responsibility for the bombing, which Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said would not affect the fight against militants.

"Pakistan army has made substantial sacrifices to protect the nation against the menace of terrorism and such cowardly acts by terrorists cannot deter the morale of our armed forces," Sharif said in a statement.

The attack comes after weeks of discussions within Sharif's government about whether to pursue peace talks with the Pakistani Taliban, who are separate from Afghanistan's Taliban, although allied with them.

Last week, major political parties held a conference on the issue and agreed that talks should be pursued.

But it was not clear when talks might begin, who might take part or if they would be held under any conditions.

The killing of Khan and his colleagues would likely make it more difficult for the government to enter negotiations.

The Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella group of different factions, have said they would have their own meeting to decide whether to negotiate with the government. Analysts said it might be difficult for them to reach an agreement.

Taliban spokesman Shahid said the attacks would continue while the militants decided if the government's offer was genuine.

"If we find them serious we can talk, otherwise we will continue our attacks," he said.

The Taliban said last year that they would only consider talks if the government imposed strict Islamic law and went to war with old enemy India.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/15/us-pakistan-violence-idUSBRE98E05E20130915

The actvties of liberastion movements in SA were never a threat. For the most part the cops handeld it the SADF only steped in a few times. The SA goverment regulay suppressed all opstion with no problem in SA.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] 2,000 south african soldiers killed on home soil by ANC black terrorists [/size]

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/umkhunto-we-sizwe-mk

http://www.historytoday.com/gary-baines/south-africa%E2%80%99s-forgotten-war

"However, conscription caused considerable political ‘fallout’ as the number of SADF casualties grew. The number of those killed while on active duty in defence of the Republic of South Africa remains unclear, but it is thought to be at least 2,000. Nonetheless, from the mid-1980s the Border War was still regarded by the majority of conscripts (and their families) as a necessary commitment to ensure the continuation of white power and privilege. Occasionally, conscripts defied the system and joined oppositional organisations such as the End Conscription Campaign (ECC) and in rare instances national servicemen went into exile to join the ranks of the armed wings of the African National Congress (ANC) or Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC).

If one person’s ‘terrorist’ is another’s ‘freedom fighter’, then the white minority’s Border War was the black majority’s ‘liberation struggle’. "



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-atwLcmEno

you do know the border war was the war in angola, all so that is 2000 deaths not all deaths were from combat and non were from fighting the ANC. not to menstion why dont you check the other guys losse.

you tring some really lame exusses now

agaugust:

go back to pages 280 of this thread....4 new stealth warships are under construction for nigerian navy to arrive from next year...south africa too has only 4 new stealth warships...so what is the difference ?

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The difrence is OPV and frigate.

agaugust: .

lets see south african army fight against its own citizens who are religious terrorists.....ANC rebels alone were bombing south africa on home soil and the military of south african never defeated ANC freedom fighters

islamic terrorists will turn the whole of south africa into a sleepless nation


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Taliban bomb kills Pakistani Army General, two other soldiers on home soil

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ISLAMABAD | Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:57am EDT

(Reuters) - A roadside bomb killed a Pakistani general and another officer on Sunday near the border with Afghanistan, the Pakistani army said, rare high-ranking casualties in Pakistan's war against militants.

Major General Sanaullah Khan, along with a lieutenant colonel and another soldier, were killed in the Upper Dir district after visiting an outpost near the border, the army said.

Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid claimed responsibility for the bombing, which Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said would not affect the fight against militants.

"Pakistan army has made substantial sacrifices to protect the nation against the menace of terrorism and such cowardly acts by terrorists cannot deter the morale of our armed forces," Sharif said in a statement.

The attack comes after weeks of discussions within Sharif's government about whether to pursue peace talks with the Pakistani Taliban, who are separate from Afghanistan's Taliban, although allied with them.

Last week, major political parties held a conference on the issue and agreed that talks should be pursued.

But it was not clear when talks might begin, who might take part or if they would be held under any conditions.

The killing of Khan and his colleagues would likely make it more difficult for the government to enter negotiations.

The Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella group of different factions, have said they would have their own meeting to decide whether to negotiate with the government. Analysts said it might be difficult for them to reach an agreement.

Taliban spokesman Shahid said the attacks would continue while the militants decided if the government's offer was genuine.

"If we find them serious we can talk, otherwise we will continue our attacks," he said.

The Taliban said last year that they would only consider talks if the government imposed strict Islamic law and went to war with old enemy India.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/15/us-pakistan-violence-idUSBRE98E05E20130915

You can spin doctor for all you want but the facts remain your toy soldiers were beaten on their backyard with all the support FACT live with it

saengine:

And then when a Selela commander admitted we killed over 250 men in his unit alone you still refused to admit that we also "won". We had a huge kill ratio, more than 10:1 but your pride was too much to admit that South African soldiers put up a fantastic fight. You made fun on us, you spoke too soon.

Now you have your own CAR/Bangui/Seleka situation on your own hands, and worse ON YOUR HOME SOIL. 16 of your own troops killed on their motherland. 15 of our troops killed 1000's of kilometres from home.....who looks more stupid now. What happened to your so called IFV's....at least you had heavy armour and airforce to back you up. But still.

I dont celebrate death. RIP to those Nigerian soldiers and i hope they find the 9 missing soldiers alive, but this is a lesson to YOU not to talk so fast next time.

And just to add one more bit. This happened over the weekend, but your army only admitted it on Tuesday. What kind of pathetic military structure is that? What were they trying to hide/change in those two days. How long does it take to count 16 bodies?

what if nigerian army told a lie like south afriocan army and claim we killed over 250 boko haram ? or 850 boko haram to match the lies and propaganda of @andrewza ? will anybody be able to disprove the nigerian army claim ? which journalist was with both sides in the jungle war ?

nigeria does not lie with kill ratio, no country, not even america in vietnam war or somali rebels war was able to achieve that extremely exaggerated south african lie of killing 250 to 850 seleka rebels...why does your own seleka figure have many versions ?

liar south africans .... and why did you RUN AWAY from seleka rebels ? nigerian army did NOT run away from boko haram, rather it is boko bous that ran away to hide in the jungle and mountains....if your soweto brains cannot intelligently judge who won a battle...then all your girlfriends will soon be mine for a nice time !

agaugust:

what if nigerian army told a lie like south afriocan army and claim we killed over 250 boko haram ? or 850 boko haram to match the lies and propaganda of @andrewza ? will anybody be able to disprove the nigerian army claim ? which journalist was with both sides in the jungle war ?

nigeria does not lie with kill ratio, no country, not even america in vietnam war or somali rebels war was able to achieve that extremely exaggerated south african lie of killing 250 to 850 seleka rebels...why does your own seleka figure have many versions ?

liar south africans .... and why did you RUN AWAY from seleka rebels ? nigerian army did NOT run away from boko haram, rather it is boko bous that ran away to hide in the jungle and mountains....if your soweto brains cannot intelligently judge who won a battle...then all your girlfriends will soon be mine for a nice time !

But the nigerian milltary put the numbers at 150. The SANDF did not once menstion seleka losses. Other sources including seleka were used to get to 800.


Fact is that you sufferd has many losses has us, killed less rebels, did in in your home, had APCs and other vechiels, had great numbers and yet you still got those losses. Now imgiane those same nigerian solders, but only 200 of them with zero support, vechiles or any thing.

Fact is that the fools jumped the gun. Now you got mud in your face.

andrewza:

The report said 3km that is all so it went 3km nothing more.

You want to compare a experimental rocket to a guided hyper velocity anti air missile? ever heard of the saying apples and oranges.

Is a beagle a member of the Nigerian defense industry or a civilian, And why is the only source you do not think that something of that nature would be picked up.

Who said it is hard? on the contrary we have mentioned private citizens with some pretty high end rockets. We just pointing out Nigeria does not have the tech are the need. Why would Nigeria waist money on this project, when there are over 100million Nigerians in poverty and a insurgency. It is called priority.

It is called marketing, all the big boys do it maybe when Nigeria makes something worthy to sell you will do it. Not to mention not all the details are released, most of the Cheetah systems are still marked classified.

The posted limitations of all your weapons are all so on the INTERNET(like all countries out there), Like you BTR3s Armour is no better than a BTR80s 0r BTR90s aka small arms fire, the range of your J7 being so tiny one could laugh should we go on mr slowpoke.

Really if it is such a security how do we all know so much?

come back when that has been verified

Yes developing something we have had for decades and your projects are still in the diaper stage.

You a fool FACT

only a foolish country like south africa will publish full details of its home made weapons ranges and all technical data on free public internet for its enemies to read and use against it. nigeria is not the fool, south africa is...i see all DENEL weapons limits and weaknesses on public internet...fools of soweto

the source clearly says the information you are hungry for is already secret/classified by nigeria, no government official will publish all nigerian Epe missile details on internet to satisfy 3 or 4 south african buffoons who are already having epilepsy in fear of nigerian made missiles being upgraded rapidly in all technical capabilities


south africa's only anti-aircraft missile is Starstreak and its maximum altitude/ceiling is ONLY 1km, a very bad imported missile that CANNOT defend south african army against and ordinary Mi-35 Hind helicopter flying at 2km altitude and killing all south african soldiers and amoured vehicles on the ground....South Africa has a very poor air defense...Britain sold you a police/anti-Rhino poacher level air defense weapon...FACT !!!!!

post the altitude/ceiling limit of your foolish velocity Starstreak missile with source, mine is below...ONLY 1km...foolish south african buffoons

Missile range: Minimum 1500m (1.5km), maximum 5500m (5.5km)
Flight time: 8 seconds
Guidance: Semi-automatic, line of sight, beam riding
Time into action: SP - less than 10 seconds to 10 minutes. LML - 2 minutes. Single missile - less than 10 seconds
Ceiling: 1000m (1km)
Missile speed: Mach 3

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23273.aspx

Naijas are nothing more than brain washed spin doctors who cannot even read the truth....or is it the truth only if it comes from Nageria. You have been thouroughly beaten by BK Boys......Your soldiers were wearing their bullet proof the correct way and where were your HIND Helicopters or your F7....REMEMBER THE OPERATION IS IN NIGERIA NO EXCUSES.

For now no time to entertain warship stories but BK Boys, come on where are the excuses....SO FAR WHERE ARE THE MISSING 65 SOLDIERS@AGAUGUSTUS.....OR HAVE THEY DESERTED AND JOIN BK BOYS.,...YOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. THE BEATING IS RIGHT IN NIGERIA WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO RUN TOO, SINCE FRANCE HELPED IN MALI.....WHO WOULD YOU CALL GHOST BUSTERS.....HAHAHAHAHAHA

NO TIME FOR STARSTREAK BUT BK BOYS.......SOUTH AFRICAS HERE IS THE JUICY STORY......NIGERIA BEATEN AND WOUNDED, PRIDE IN DISARRY AND CONFIDENCE IN TATTARS........BK BOYS FOR NOW.

andrewza:

All?

Who did we copy the ratel, casspir, mamba RG41 RG35, RG31 RG32, SS77,60mm Patmorta, drankensberg, Umkontoi, Rooikat, rooivalk, G7, extra extra extra extra

Yes a lot of our stuff borrowed from other ideas this is not rare or uncommon but rather the norm, only a fool ignores the works of others., the AK47 borrowed from the STG44 for example. The follow with your eyes systems in modern jets comes from SA the look down shoot down from Russia the M1A1 uses a Germain 120mm gun the styker uses the chassis of a Canadian LAV3 witch is swiss

yes all, and i mean all....the full technology base for all south african made weapons have been directly transferred to your country by americans, europeans, and israelis from 1960 to 2013 including the latest army Badger IFV from finland 2011 to 2014...all that you have was transfered, you built on the europeans, americans, and israeli technical transfers....you did not originate anything...FACT !!!!!

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andrewza:

Yes you all so ignored the heavy casualties (and we mean heavy) that we inflected on seleka

how many insurgency have the Americans killed how long have they been fighting and has it been in the USA.

seleka kill ratio 160:1 is a big lie...or else Guinness book of records would have recognized it

america has only 2% muslim, nigeria has about 45% muslims....and northern nigeria where boko haram operates is 95% muslim.

america does not have a muslim population of 95% in any state to create an islamic terrorist zone.

please use the right side of your brain if the left side is not functioning

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