agaugust:

Since you say their products are not reliable, you can go challenge them and 'win'...just show your confidence in your own 'better' weapons.

Once a Chinese always a Chinese. A Chinese will only produce what is best for his country and all of those which has to be exported will always have faults one way or the other.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]How Upgraded F-7, MiG-21 Jet Fighters Vs F-16, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen Jets....

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Pakistani F-7 jets are the counterpart of Indian MiG 21 Bison and Romanian MiG 21 Lancers, these 3 jets are upgraded to fight and survive against F-16 jets, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen and other 4th generation light jet fighters in that class.


Romania retired all MiG 29 jets and replaced them with moderninzed MiG 21 Jets for its NATO air power operations...that tells you something.

F-7 NI jet is still superior to MiG 21 Lancer and Bison because of the new F-7 jet swept wing and bubble canopy for extra capacity in dog fight maneuvers, ground attack maneuvers and enemy aircraft spotting in visual range combat. The only area the MiG 21 Lancer and Bison have an edge is beyond visual range radar and missiles.

Now let us read what other military forums around the world are saying, some of the commentators are real jet fighter pilots in the best air forces of the world today....surprises for you if you read :


"The MiG-21 LanceR is still a MiG-21, the airframe is the same, while the engine suffered minor modifications. However, just as long the radar and weapons systems installed onboard will be competitive, just as long the helmet mounted display and firing system will continue to represent the edge of technology, and just as long the Romanian fighter pilots will continue to win international exercises, the MiG-21 Lancer will remain a formidable opponent, often under-evaluated by foreign analysts.

Some will argue that they have the best planes in the world and no MiG-21, no matter what it carries onboard, will ever be able to face an F-15, F-18 or F-16 in combat. Well, all those pilots who have flown the Lancer, may they be French, American, Dutch, Belgian or British have been extremely impressed of its performances and the American fighter pilots have stated that the Lancer has real chances to win a dogfight with any of their fighters.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/35934-mig-21-lancer/



A No.20 Sqn 'Cheetahs' F-7PG aircraft do effective low-level attack as in the weblink below. This air superiority squadron is tasked with day/night air superiority and day ground attack /Close-Air-Support (CAS) to ground forces. No.20 Sqn has been a vital fighting element of PAF since more than past 55 years. Over the years this unit has performed in Tactial Reconnaissance, Tactial day/night attack and air-superiority roles.

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7.htm



F-7 jets droping counter measure flares to defend itself against enemy missiles in combat

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7/F-7s_horizon_flares.jpg



The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000

feet,” he said.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/22338-indian-mig-21-bison-v-s-paf-jf-17-has-edge-2.html



Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says:

While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major

“unpleasant surprise” to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting “second generation” late-model MiG-21bis fighters to “fourth generation combat platforms”. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with “jackrabbit” acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat.

A well flown Mig 21 is worth half a dozen badly flown F22's or F35's .


http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121375-MiG-21-still-unpleasant-surprise-at-Cope-India-exercise-how-so

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Perfor...6439329&sr=1-1



Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).


Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even fifth-generation fighters alike F/A-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Fighter Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth “in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.”


F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes.The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939



MiG 21 Lancers have also participated successfully in various NATO exercises. The modernized aircraft demonstrated exceptional readiness levels, relative to their former status, as well as to comparable NATO air forces. In such exercises, the Romanian pilots could participate in the most sophisticated modes of operations, such as laser designation of targets, and precision attacks -capabilities that are yet to be acquired by NATO newcomers.


The MiG 21 Lancer fleet now constitutes the backbone of the Romanian Air Force, performing air defense, close air support and training roles. The aircraft can carry both Eastern and western armament, and perform extremely accurate attacks with both “iron bombs” and precision guided weapons. Lancer is cleared for missiles such as the R60, R73 and Python 3 missiles, 250 and 500 lb bombs, laser guided munitions, targeting, ECM and Reconnaissance pods etc. The Lancer has demonstrated a circular error point (CEP) accuracy of 7 mil/radian and below, while maintaining 1-2meter CEP with laser guided weapons. The aircraft is also cleared for asymmetric loading of weapons, which provides a more flexible and economical use of weapons. Among the 110 aircraft, 85 are configured for ground attack, equipped with a ranging radar, while 25 are air defense variants, using the Elta EL/M-2032 air combat radar.

http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm "



F-7 NI Jets and its counterparts MiG 21 Lancer and Bison, will match any MiG 29, F-16, F-18 or Gripen jet in within visual range battle of less than 37km range distance.

All south african Gripen jets have ONLY within visual range missiles whether the current IRIS-T or the planned/still awaited A-DARTER missiles. FACT !!!

for all people, nigerians, south africans and others who have underestimated nigerian F-7 NI jets, i have allowed other people arround the world to talk and help you correct your wrong views that F-7NI jet is crap in air combat and weak in ground attack.

There is a difference between a country buying a jet fighter for the job needed to be done at that time, and just buying a jet fighter to show off and display national pride.

Dare a tiny Scorpion and it will sting you with a dose of poison from its little tail....instant death is guaranteed. Thank you sirs .


JET PHOTOS IN ORDER :

1. MiG 21 Lancer
2. MiG 21 Bison
3. F-7
4. Gripen

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F-7 Nigeria are low cost fighter jets, they are meant to meet Nigeria half way and currently they are written danger everywhere with a capital letter D "". No Nigerian pilot would ever risk his life flying such moving graves.

Don't undermine swedish, they are a small nation which is very dedicated when producing their products. They make sure by all means that they produce the best.

Canada Designates Boko Haram Terrorist Organisation

Canada has joined the United States in designating Boko Haram as a terrorist organisation under its Criminal Code.
According to a report yesterday by the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN), the Canadian Government also listed the Caucasus Emirate blamed for recent bombings in Russia as a terrorist organisation.

“Boko Haram is an organisation that is responsible for over 300 attacks in Northern Nigeria, which have resulted in the deaths of over 1,000 people,” Canadian Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Steven Blaney, said.

“The actions of Boko Haram and the Caucasus Emirate meet the legal threshold set out in the Criminal Code, which requires the existence of reasonable grounds to believe that the entity has knowingly participated in or facilitated a terrorist activity or is knowingly acting on behalf of, at the direction of, or in association with such an entity,” a statement from the Ministry of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness quoted Blaney as saying.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/canada-designates-boko-haram-terrorist-organisation/167748/?

Fighter Pilot:

Of course, their products are very cheap and sell like hot dogs. China rely more on quantity (number) than quality (type of material) and their products are patronised most by poor Afrrican countries who cannot afford original version of such products.

are you still talking about military hardware? cos what yo just talked about is total nonsense.

once again you continue to show how deeply flawed south africans' mentality of everything non western is. it would be right for you to find out why things are before talking about them. you are ignorant and a shame.

the only reason the west (especially European countries) will never buy weapons from china is because EU still has embargo on chinese arms. NATO countries followed suit. i guess you were ignorant of this fact.

so in your own reasoning, ASIAN and Middle East countries that buy chinese weapons are poor?

Turkey that just chose a chinese missile defence systems over America and European ones are poor (considering they are also a NATO member but shunned their member states)? you need some serious enlightenment.

Chinese developed jf-17 thunder that is far cheaper, is the same level (if not better) than your Swedish overpriced grippen jets. FACT

chris365:

are you still talking about military hardware? cos what yo just talked about is total nonsense.

once again you continue to show how deeply flawed south africans' mentality of everything non western is. it would be right for you to find out why things are before talking about them. you are ignorant and a shame.

the only reason the west (especially European countries) will never buy weapons from china is because EU still has embargo on chinese arms. NATO countries followed suit. i guess you were ignorant of this fact.

so in your own reasoning, ASIAN and Middle East countries that buy chinese weapons are poor?

Turkey that just chose a chinese missile defence systems over America and European ones are poor (considering they are also a NATO member but shunned their member states)? you need some serious enlightenment.

Chinese developed jf-17 thunder that is far cheaper, is the same level (if not better) than your Swedish overpriced grippen jets. FACT

Leave politics out of this. Arms embago or not, chinese products remain unreliable and I think you should have been the one to tell the story better.

Fighter Pilot:

Leave politics out of this. Arms embago or not, chinese products remain unreliable and I think you should have been the one to tell the story better.

you need help. your cancer is "foolishness"

so you don't know politics also affects arms acquisition? you are truly infected

Chinese arms are getting better and better as the years go by. Keep paying over inflated prices for western products (in order to pay inflated wages)which also come with many technical problems from being over elaborate and ambitious.

Fighter Pilot:

F-7 Nigeria are low cost fighter jets, they are meant to meet Nigeria half way and currently they are written danger everywhere with a capital letter D "". No Nigerian pilot would ever risk his life flying such moving graves.

Don't undermine swedish, they are a small nation which is very dedicated when producing their products. They make sure by all means that they produce the best.

You obviously don't know that Nigerian F-7ni pilots have been thrilling the residents of Makurdi for a few months now at NAF TAC.

I take it that other countries are not dedicated to producing their products then?

rka1: Chinese arms are getting better and better as the years go by. Keep paying over inflated prices for western products (in order to pay inflated wages)which also come with many technical problems from being over elaborate and ambitious.

Chinese products are affectionately called Fong Kong in SA and we know well that they are being patronised by the likes of you. My friend Chinese have a tendency of taking Africans for granted and when they see us they perceive us as block heads who cannot think of anything that involves technology but war.

rka1:

You obviously don't know that Nigerian F-7ni pilots have been thrilling the residents of Makurdi for a few months now at NAF TAC.

I take it that other countries are not dedicated to producing their products then?

F-7 Ni is just like Innoson, there is no where you can class it. Both have been made from cheap parts which wear easily.

Fighter Pilot:

Chinese products are affectionately called Fong Kong in SA and we know well that they are being patronised by the likes of you. My friend Chinese have a tendency of taking Africans for granted and when they see us they perceive us as block heads who cannot think of anything that involves technology but war.

Continue to under-estimate at your own peril. It is better than western products that come with strings attached and virtually no technological transfers whatsoever (they want you to remain backward while they sell over priced products).

Who then is the blockhead?

Fighter Pilot:

F-7 Ni is just like Innoson, there is no where you can class it. Both have been made from cheap parts which wear easily.

As opposed to overpriced western parts?

rka1:

Continue to under-estimate at your own peril. It is better than western products that come with strings attached and virtually no technological transfers whatsoever (they want you to remain backward while they sell over priced products).

Who then is the blockhead?

Hopefully there is no word called "best quality" in chinese. Chinese when they see European product, they would take a picture of it and use cheap material to copy it whereby they will send it to Africa, their biggest market outside China.

Break down of some purchases for 2014;

..Govt to spend billions on weapons
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The Federal Government has allocated billions of naira in the 2014 budget for the procurement of weapons and security-related equipments for the various security agencies, an analysis of the budget has shown.

Details of the 2014 appropriation bill obtained by Daily Trust indicate that the government intends to purchase different calibre of arms, ammunitions, GSM tracking devices, anti-bomb equipments, armoured personnel carriers, anti-riot equipments, bullet proof vests, ballistic helmets and other related gadgets for security agencies next year.
According to the details of the N4.91trillion budget, the Nigerian Army will procure ammunition worth N697.7 million, while the army engineering corps will be commissioned to produce Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC) for the army at the cost of N100 million.
For the Navy, the government will acquire two offshore patrol vessels worth N5.2 billion while ship spare parts will gulp N2.7 billion.
The Nigerian Air Force is allocated the sum of N286.4 million for the procurement of MI-34/35 helicopters, N1.8 billion for the purchase of six MI-35M helicopters, N1.5 billion for the maintenance of Alpha jets, while the quick response force will purchase equipment worth N301 million.
In the same vein, the Air Force will renovate its arctic L-39ZA AC for N1.3 billion and maintain the super puma for N324.5 million.
The Defence Industries Corporation Kaduna is allocated N300 million for the procurement and installation of 7.62 by 39m production line, another N150 million for the procurement of raw materials for the operation of the 7.62 by 39M new production line.
The office of the National Security Adviser will conduct a security programme for N5.1 billion in 2014, purchase security equipments worth N837.3 million, N2 billion will go for its emergency response centre, N1.2 billion will be spend by the NSA on NICEP II security elevation phase II and N11 billion for the purchase of enhanced and specialized security gadgets.
The Directorate of State Service (DSS) has a security vote of N3.3 billion; N2.89 billion will be use to buy security equipment, N425.6 for the procurement of Polaris mass location and wireless tracking system, strontium sky digit recovery system for N359 million, mobile hammers N412 million, GSM intercept will gulp N359 million.
Also, the DSS intend to procure fire arms worth N350 million, disaster recovery centre construction will cost N200 million, building of five detention centres at the six geo-political zones will cost N150 million and V-sat software purchase will gulp N50 million.
The Nigerian Intelligence Agency has a total budget of N36.9 billion of which N3.9 billion will go for enhanced field communication, while secure email encryption infrastructure will cost N1.6 billion.
The Nigeria Police formation and commands will procure BMW operation vehicles for N112.7 million, Armoured land cruiser vehicles for GSM tracking N107.8 million, patrol vehicles N202.6 million, specialized operational vehicles N222.6 million, arms and ammunition N277.9 million riot control equipments worth N193.9 million, and ballistic helmets and bullet proof vests for N297.5 million.
Similarly, the police will also purchase DNA equipments for N68.6 million, explosive ordinance disposal for N163.7 million, security intelligence for N144.1 million, GSM tracking for N167.7, million and communication equipment for N183 million among others.
The Defence Intelligence Agency is allocated N7.4 billion, Defence Intelligence school got N363 million while the Command and Staff College Jaji got N3.2 billion, National Defence College got N6.9 billion, Nigerian Defence Academy got N8 billion, Nigerian airforce got N73.302 billion, Nigerian Navy got N70.2 billion, Ministry of Defence got N23.2 billion while the Defence Headquarters got N1.8 billion.

http://dailytrust.info/index.php/news/12849-govt-to-spend-billions-on-weapons

fellow nairalanders I ve been keeping up with this trend and I ve to say that I am impressed with ma fellow naija guys that ve held their ground and I will be contributing to this trend those SA boys na wa o una sabi lie

Gerald Austine: fellow nairalanders I ve been keeping up with this trend and I ve to say that I am impressed with ma fellow naija guys that ve held their ground and I will be contributing to this trend those SA boys na wa o una sabi lie

Bros na so we see am o ! Welcome on board !

agaugust:

Bros na so we see am o ! Welcome on board !

@Agaugust, you are a fool indeed. Why do you write a post and answer yourself thereafter. You are a hypocrite. We know well that Gerald is you. You have only registered today on the 07/01/2014 and only spent 30 minutes online yet you claim to have been following the topic. __________How dare you _________

Fighter Pilot:

@Agaugust, you are a fool indeed. Why do you write a post and answer yourself thereafter. You are a hypocrite. We know well that Gerald is you. You have only registered today on the 07/01/2014 and only spent 30 minutes online yet you claim to have been following the topic. __________How dare you _________

@Fighter Pilot, you are a fool indeed. Why do you make a false accusation against me and insult me thereafter ? You are a hypocrite and fool, you dont know how nairaland threads are configured. anybody can visit any thread/topic on nairaland as a GUEST without signing up for many years, he will read all posts unnoticed and unseen by anybody, but he cannot post his own comment until he registers. how will you know this anayway, you dont have any forum near the level of nairaland in all south africa. this thread is a symbol of the the superior creativity of the nigerian brain over a south african brain. a second class south african brain insulting a nigerian....
__________How dare you _________

agaugust:


@Fighter Pilot, you are a fool indeed. Why do you make a false accusation against me and insult me thereafter ? You are a hypocrite and fool, you dont know how nairaland threads are configured. anybody can visit any thread/topic on nairaland as a GUEST without signing up for many years, he will read all posts unnoticed and unseen by anybody, but he cannot post his own comment until he registers. how will you know this anayway, you dont have any forum near the level of nairaland in all south africa. this thread is a symbol of the the superior creativity of the nigerian brain over a south african brain. a second class south african brain insulting a nigerian....
__________How dare you _________

he's dumb like his compatriots in cyberspace and real life

agaugust:


@Fighter Pilot, you are a fool indeed. Why do you make a false accusation against me and insult me thereafter ? You are a hypocrite and fool, you dont know how nairaland threads are configured. anybody can visit any thread/topic on nairaland as a GUEST without signing up for many years, he will read all posts unnoticed and unseen by anybody, but he cannot post his own comment until he registers. how will you know this anayway, you dont have any forum near the level of nairaland in all south africa. this thread is a symbol of the the superior creativity of the nigerian brain over a south african brain. a second class south african brain insulting a nigerian....
__________How dare you _________

Are you denying the truth? You know well that you are lying through your teeth.

_________How dare you________

Fighter Pilot:

Are you denying the truth? You know well that you are lying through your teeth.

_________How dare you________

dude I am not agaugust because we both almost bare the same name doesn't mean agaugust is me and am surprised you didn't even know anybody can visit this site and read all the rubb1sh you ve been posting and will remain unnotice if that person decide not to log in hmmmm typical SA dude

Gerald Austine:


dude I am not agaugust because we both almost bare the same name doesn't mean agaugust is me and am surprised you didn't even know anybody can visit this site and read all the rubb1sh you ve been posting and will remain unnotice if that person decide not to log in hmmmm typical SA dude

Hello!! Agaugust.

Fighter Pilot:
Chinese products are affectionately called Fong Kong in SA and we know well that they are being patronised by the likes of you. My friend Chinese have a tendency of taking Africans for granted and when they see us they perceive us as block heads who cannot think of anything that involves technology but war.

[quote author=rka1


you go from calling their product unreliable to very cheap yet they are the third super power after America and russia or are you just jealous of the fact that they are tranferring their technology to nigeria

China + Nigeria = 419. You have really met your perfect partner @ Agaugust.

Fighter Pilot: China + Nigeria = 419. You have really met your perfect partner @ Agaugust.

dude. calm down. take a chill pill.

you are drifting to a state of paranoia. see a doctor or just log off nairaland for sometime..

chris365:

Please name one SA vehicle that Nigerian military uses. Just one. You this fantasist.

RG-31. Fantasist with facts!!!!! Shut up Nigerian.

scipher: we've shown interest in many hardwares even Brazilian made . buh, do we have any SA made hardware currently? nah ..they're useless ....I do, however, want us to buy the Brazilian tucano light trainer jets.. would be great for the North East operations but we only showed interest

The ARHLAC prototype will soon be making its first flight,the first African designed soon to be produced craft. Useless? Go ask the USA military how South African MRAPS helped reduce casualty numbers from IEDs.

Fighter Pilot: China + Nigeria = 419. You have really met your perfect partner @ Agaugust.

slowly diving into the world of dimensia gud job mr fighter pilot

rka1:

Man (boy) are you deluded or what? If China produces inferior weapons, why is the WEST afraid of China (including the US)?

If you are big brother to us, why is our economy now bigger than yours? By the way, Nigerians also invest in SA as do other countries.

USA has shown China on many occasions who's the man. Last year they(USAF) flown the B-52 bombers in China's new defence zone near the disputed islands with Japan. They're only "afraid" cause a war between the two would result in a nuclear exchange. Both the USA and China are still in some at war. You confuse influence and military the west is afraid of China's growing influence not its military.

rka1:
WHITE ELEPHANTS .

South African stadiums are used from Rugby,soccer and other events. The next week will see the ANC party hold an event in (Nelspruit) Mbobela's famous "Giraffe" stadium.

Augustine Again:

am coming back for your head big time, its time for me to post other peoples debate and comments on other international military threads/forums like nairaland and see how an F-7 jet will demolish F-16 jet or a careless F-22 stealth raptor.

just let me finish attending the special program in the church today make i no become pagan..Lol, i will come back for that your coconut head tonight before i go to sleep. you dis papa ajasco !!!

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The F-7 will shot down a F-22? What a foo.l!!! Go ask Iranian pilots what happened when they tried to intercept a USA drone on a reccon mission in the gulf. Your F-7 won't even detect the F-22 5km away!!!!!!!!!!!! The a single Gripen can shot down the entire Nigerian F-7 fleet one by one.

scipher: last time I checked springbok is an animal name in Afrikaans

So?