chris365:

At this time sir. I will start addressing you as an ignorant buffoon.

Nigerian military has no SA military vehicle in it's arsenal. We buy top range not low range.

Springbok only plans to open a plant in Nigeria. And so far it has only been a pipe dream.

I know your type and yours is just worst. Fake soldier

South Africa produces top of RANGE armoured or MRAP vehicles. Nigeria's troop carriers or MRAPs don't come any close to South African vehicles like the Nyala,RG-31 and Marauder.

Mike..ZA:
South Africa produces top of RANGE armoured or MRAP vehicles. Nigeria's troop carriers or MRAPs don't come any close to South African vehicles like the Nyala,RG-31 and Marauder.

Nigerian made armoured vehicles are not MRAPS.

agaugust: .


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Pakistani F-7 jets are the counterpart of Indian MiG 21 Bison and Romanian MiG 21 Lancers, these 3 jets are upgraded to fight and survive against F-16 jets, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen and other 4th generation light jet fighters in that class.


Romania retired all MiG 29 jets and replaced them with moderninzed MiG 21 Jets for its NATO air power operations...that tells you something.

F-7 NI jet is still superior to MiG 21 Lancer and Bison because of the new F-7 jet swept wing and bubble canopy for extra capacity in dog fight maneuvers, ground attack maneuvers and enemy aircraft spotting in visual range combat. The only area the MiG 21 Lancer and Bison have an edge is beyond visual range radar and missiles.

Now let us read what other military forums around the world are saying, some of the commentators are real jet fighter pilots in the best air forces of the world today....surprises for you if you read :


"The MiG-21 LanceR is still a MiG-21, the airframe is the same, while the engine suffered minor modifications. However, just as long the radar and weapons systems installed onboard will be competitive, just as long the helmet mounted display and firing system will continue to represent the edge of technology, and just as long the Romanian fighter pilots will continue to win international exercises, the MiG-21 Lancer will remain a formidable opponent, often under-evaluated by foreign analysts.

Some will argue that they have the best planes in the world and no MiG-21, no matter what it carries onboard, will ever be able to face an F-15, F-18 or F-16 in combat. Well, all those pilots who have flown the Lancer, may they be French, American, Dutch, Belgian or British have been extremely impressed of its performances and the American fighter pilots have stated that the Lancer has real chances to win a dogfight with any of their fighters.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/35934-mig-21-lancer/



A No.20 Sqn 'Cheetahs' F-7PG aircraft doing effective low-level attack as in the weblink below. This air superiority squadron is tasked with day/night air superiority and day ground attack /Close-Air-Support (CAS) to ground forces. No.20 Sqn has been a vital fighting element of PAF since more than past 55 years. Over the years this unit has performed in Tactial Reconnaissance, Tactial day/night attack and air-superiority roles.

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7.htm



F-7 jets droping counter measure flares to defend itself against enemy missiles in combat

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7/F-7s_horizon_flares.jpg



The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000

feet,” he said.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/22338-indian-mig-21-bison-v-s-paf-jf-17-has-edge-2.html



Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says:

While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major

“unpleasant surprise” to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting “second generation” late-model MiG-21bis fighters to “fourth generation combat platforms”. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with “jackrabbit” acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat.

A well flown Mig 21 is worth half a dozen badly flown F22's or F35's .


http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121375-MiG-21-still-unpleasant-surprise-at-Cope-India-exercise-how-so

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Perfor...6439329&sr=1-1



Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).


Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21 Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even 5th generation jet fighters like F-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Jet Fighter Pilot and Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth “in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.”


F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes.The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939



MiG 21 Lancers have also participated successfully in various NATO exercises. The modernized aircraft demonstrated exceptional readiness levels, relative to their former status, as well as to comparable NATO air forces. In such exercises, the Romanian pilots could participate in the most sophisticated modes of operations, such as laser designation of targets, and precision attacks -capabilities that are yet to be acquired by NATO newcomers.


The MiG 21 Lancer fleet now constitutes the backbone of the Romanian Air Force, performing air defense, close air support and training roles. The aircraft can carry both Eastern and western armament, and perform extremely accurate attacks with both “iron bombs” and precision guided weapons. Lancer is cleared for missiles such as the R60, R73 and Python 3 missiles, 250 and 500 lb bombs, laser guided munitions, targeting, ECM and Reconnaissance pods etc. The Lancer has demonstrated a circular error point (CEP) accuracy of 7 mil/radian and below, while maintaining 1-2meter CEP with laser guided weapons. The aircraft is also cleared for asymmetric loading of weapons, which provides a more flexible and economical use of weapons. Among the 110 aircraft, 85 are configured for ground attack, equipped with a ranging radar, while 25 are air defense variants, using the Elta EL/M-2032 air combat radar.

http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm "



F-7 NI Jets and its counterparts MiG 21 Lancer and Bison, will match any MiG 29, F-16, F-18 or Gripen jet in within visual range battle of less than 37km range distance.

All south african Gripen jets have ONLY within visual range missiles whether the current IRIS-T or the planned/still awaited A-DARTER missiles. FACT !!!

for all people, nigerians, south africans and others who have underestimated nigerian F-7 NI jets, i have allowed other people arround the world to talk and help you correct your wrong views that F-7NI jet is crap in air combat and weak in ground attack.

There is a difference between a country buying a jet fighter for the job needed to be done at that time, and just buying a jet fighter to show off and display national pride.

Dare a tiny Scorpion and it will sting you with a dose of poison from its little tail....instant death is guaranteed. Thank you sirs .


JET PHOTOS IN ORDER :

1. MiG 21 Lancer
2. MiG 21 Bison
3. F-7
4. Gripen

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Dude you're a comedian. Those other jet have canards to enable them to make tight turns. Besides your Nigerian F-7 have a radar that covers around 15km-20km. Now here's a little scenario that would play out if the F-7 was to meet the advanced: The Gripen detects a enemy craft at round 115km. The pilot will weigh his options whether to engage or not and other stuff like does the plane still have enough fuel for the dogfight. Then if decides to engage: At high speed enemy craft on radar screen he blasts into the F-7's 15km-20km radar covered area. The F-7 will detect an incoming enemy plane,from there the pilot will drop his tanks(Thee F-7 carries three fuel tanks in superiority roles+2 missiles) and try get a lock on the enemy. By the time he does this the Gripen will be within visual range and firing its first missile causing your pilot to take his plane into evasive manoeuvres against a 5th generation missile coupled with the Cobra HMD with no luck the F-7 will be shot down!...This scenario will play on and on........Regarding the A-Darter it is scheduled to enter service this year. I'm sure training missiles are now delivered we are just awaiting SAAF to publicly reveal it maybe in the April-May air force demonstration. TOTAL AIR SUPERIORITY OVER NIGERIA.

agaugust:

All those NATO countries you mentioned have NEVER produced one single stealth jet fighter in all their lives as European and world super powers.

China that you are insulting has produced a stealth jet fighter and nuclear powered submarines.

China is the 3rd military super power in the world after only America and Russia.

the white nations of Europe and America can go eat their technology, Nigeria has found a new way to greatness....

Nigeria is now China's partner as we get latest military technology now. Watch out South Africa, China will make Nigeria to overtake you in defence industry and weapons development/manufacturing likely in the next 5 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20



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Comedian again. China doesn't have any stealth fighter,they're all prototypes. Should I say now that Iran has shown images of a stealth fighter now it produces better weapons than western nations? China relies on stolen and reverse engineering tech from the west. Its weapons are not the same quality as those of their western counterparts.......... South Africa is 20 years ahead of Nigeria in terms of military research or technology just like USA is with China...China to cover up on this is stealing technology from black hawk,Apache and other stealth technology!!!! The west is 20 years ahead of China!!!!

agaugust:

we nigerians have posted till we got tired with sources and photos on our ATR-42 Surveyor ELINT, ESM, ECM, EW, and ECCM.

i wont repeat it because it is well know on this forum that anythime we mention our NAF ATR-42 mighty Surveyor aircraft, all south africans on nairaland begin to tremble as if a supreme court judge is about to sentence them to death by hanging....

so write/sign your final will and kiss your wife goodbye before you watch this video, because you may need to hang yourself from the ceiling fan.


ELINT upgrade video, see the new 'hump' at the back of the aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7WPwzooIDY
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Tired or not. The ATR-42 is maritime patrol craft. That humps like in many planes of its class can be or are for advance radar that is used for search and rescue missions. You want me to post another link or source that Nigeria operates the ATR-42M?............Ceiling fan for what? Only in Nigeria where a person installs fan plus a AC. South African Oryx helicopter are the most advanced EW,ELINT or signal interruption/jammers systems in whole of sub-saharan Africa.

Mike..ZA:
Comedian again. China doesn't have any stealth fighter,they're all prototypes. Should I say now that Iran has shown images of a stealth fighter now it produces better weapons than western nations? China relies on stolen and reverse engineering tech from the west. Its weapons are not the same quality as those of their western counterparts.......... South Africa is 20 years ahead of Nigeria in terms of military research or technology just like USA is with China...China to cover up on this is stealing technology from black hawk,Apache and other stealth technology!!!! The west is 20 years ahead of China!!!!

For your mind.

Mike..ZA:
Comedian again. China doesn't have any stealth fighter,they're all prototypes. Should I say now that Iran has shown images of a stealth fighter now it produces better weapons than western nations? China relies on stolen and reverse engineering tech from the west. Its weapons are not the same quality as those of their western counterparts.......... South Africa is 20 years ahead of Nigeria in terms of military research or technology just like USA is with China...China to cover up on this is stealing technology from black hawk,Apache and other stealth technology!!!! The west is 20 years ahead of China!!!!

out of curiosity, what have you produced that Nigeria can't produce that puts you 20years ahead ?

chris365:

yet is one of the biggest arms exporters in the world. keep fooling yourself.

Exports doesn't show how advanced a system is. China exports low cost systems that are mostly reverse engineered Russian or western systems. How many countries operate this systems which are the best in their class: B-2 spirit bomber,F-22 stealth fighter jet,Abrams tank,Merkava tank,Gotland class submarine,PzH-2000 self propelled howitzer,G6 self propelled howitzer,Apache AT helicopter,Virginia class submarine,Tormahawk cruise missile,smerch Multiple rocket launcher,S400 or 300 SAMs,Challenger MBT,Mokopa missile,Rafele and Typhoon fighter? HUUUUUh You tell me.

Fighter Pilot:

What does producing unreliable products have to do with war?

Have you ever had the time to watch that "Mao's cold war",on Discovery channel?...........The Abrams and Challenger MBTs destroyed many iraqi T-72 tanks with less than ten of this MBTs destroyed. You can't have vehicles that keep breaking down in the battlefield,you'll be destroyed!!!!!

agaugust:

Since you say their products are not reliable, you can go challenge them and 'win'...just show your confidence in your own 'better' weapons.

The USA can defeat China. South Africa's economy won't allow it to fight a powerful and numerical superior foe. Germany had the best weapons in WW2 in the east but Russia could put a new soldier in the position of dead instantly plus many tanks. Without supplies from your defence industry no country will ever win a war against a another which has a bigger defence industry and high number of troops. That's why South Africa can defeat Nigeria any day.

Mike..ZA:
RG-31. Fantasist with facts!!!!! Shut up Nigerian.

you are even worst than a mad man

where is your fact when all you made was noise. you don't seem to know the meaning of the word "fact". i sorry for you.

Nigerian police uses the rg-31 not the military (unless south africans can't diffrentiate between the two ). shame on you who claims to know military matters but brings police to the table. shame

The anti-riot Police Mobile Force (MOPOL) deploy anywhere between 250 and 300 armoured personnel carriers.

The most widely-deployed type is the British-made Alvis Saxon APC. There are also dozens of German-built UR-416 APCs, South African-made Casspir and RG-31 Nyala mine-resistant armoured vehicles and the more recently, the Turkish-manufactured Otokar Cobra mine-resistant APCs which appear to be mostly deployed by the Anti-Bomb Squad – obviously for their mine-resistance capabilities.
http://beegeagle./2011/08/27/nigeria-police-mobile-forcemopol-photos-of-some-armoured-vehicles/

south africans are truly ignorant bunch.

chris365:

are you still talking about military hardware? cos what yo just talked about is total nonsense.

once again you continue to show how deeply flawed south africans' mentality of everything non western is. it would be right for you to find out why things are before talking about them. you are ignorant and a shame.

the only reason the west (especially European countries) will never buy weapons from china is because EU still has embargo on chinese arms. NATO countries followed suit. i guess you were ignorant of this fact.

so in your own reasoning, ASIAN and Middle East countries that buy chinese weapons are poor?

Turkey that just chose a chinese missile defence systems over America and European ones are poor (considering they are also a NATO member but shunned their member states)? you need some serious enlightenment.

Chinese developed jf-17 thunder that is far cheaper, is the same level (if not better) than your Swedish overpriced grippen jets. FACT

The Gripen is away advanced than the JF-17. The Gripen is even way faster than the JF-17,the Gripen carries the most advanced missiles,reccon pods and bombs in the world...................Majority of the Chinese weapons that are operated outside that country,are operated by poor countries like Namibia&Tanzania.

Fighter Pilot:

Chinese products are affectionately called Fong Kong in SA and we know well that they are being patronised by the likes of you. My friend Chinese have a tendency of taking Africans for granted and when they see us they perceive us as block heads who cannot think of anything that involves technology but war.

Please tell them my brother!! Hoo boy.

Gerald Austine: [quote author=rka1


you go from calling their product unreliable to very cheap yet they are the third super power after America and russia or are you just jealous of the fact that they are tranferring their technology to nigeria

Technology that is developed in western countries. South Africa helped China develop their Z-10 AT helo. We don't need technology transfer!!! We research and further develop. Soon South Africa will be one of the nations among countries like the USA and Israel to fire a missile from a UAV.

Fighter Pilot:

Nigerian made armoured vehicles are not MRAPS.

They're claiming their vehicles are low cost light products. Meant for developing and poor countries South Africa has such vehicles DCD has the Mountain lion and Springbok A2 which are better than any Nigerian light "MRAPS".

sirjerry: For your mind.

Tell which part of my post is wrong please

sirjerry: For your mind.

Tell which part of my post is wrong please!!!!

scipher:

out of curiosity, what have you produced that Nigeria can't produce that puts you 20years ahead ?

That put South Africa 20 years ahead of Nigeria?..... Here's the list 1. Umkhonto surface to air missile(First infrared missile in the world to lauch vertically) 2. Mokopa anti-tank missile,with a range of 10km. 3. G6 howitzer 3. G7 howitzer 4. A-darter missile 5. Ingwe missile 6. Seeker drone 7. Vulture UAV this doesn't need a air strip to operate. 8. Rooikat armoured fighting vehicle 9. RG-31 10. Marauder 11. Hornet 12. EW or ELINT kits for warplanes 13. ARHLAC (without the Rooivalk programme its design wouldn't have been possible). 14. Rooivalk 15. NTW-20 sniper rifle 16. V-LAP howitzer rounds 17. RG-41 18. Nyala 19. Cassipir-2000......The list is endless.

Mike..ZA:
Dude you're a comedian. Those other jet have canards to enable them to make tight turns. Besides your Nigerian F-7 have a radar that covers around 15km-20km. Now here's a little scenario that would play out if the F-7 was to meet the advanced: The Gripen detects a enemy craft at round 115km. The pilot will weigh his options whether to engage or not and other stuff like does the plane still have enough fuel for the dogfight. Then if decides to engage: At high speed enemy craft on radar screen he blasts into the F-7's 15km-20km radar covered area. The F-7 will detect an incoming enemy plane,from there the pilot will drop his tanks(Thee F-7 carries three fuel tanks in superiority roles+2 missiles) and try get a lock on the enemy. By the time he does this the Gripen will be within visual range and firing its first missile causing your pilot to take his plane into evasive manoeuvres against a 5th generation missile coupled with the Cobra HMD with no luck the F-7 will be shot down!...This scenario will play on and on........Regarding the A-Darter it is scheduled to enter service this year. I'm sure training missiles are now delivered we are just awaiting SAAF to publicly reveal it maybe in the April-May air force demonstration. TOTAL AIR SUPERIORITY OVER NIGERIA.

You are the comedian, the F7s radar has longer tracking capabilities than you stated;

Heavily modernized aircraft with some basic 4th generation technology.
Armament includes advanced 42 km range Italian Grifo-7 radar with ECM, sophisticated 22 km range PL-9C air to air missiles, bombs, and air to ground rockets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

Your Gripen still has to get close and personal in order to be effective and no use saying that a BVR missile will be operational this year and it can't be included until it is active. Nigeria is expecting a lot of arms this year and we aren't using them in current scenarios.

As for your other posts, usual Hollywood fantasy stuff.

Mike..ZA:
That put South Africa 20 years ahead of Nigeria?..... Here's the list 1. Umkhonto surface to air missile(First infrared missile in the world to lauch vertically) 2. Mokopa anti-tank missile,with a range of 10km. 3. G6 howitzer 3. G7 howitzer 4. A-darter missile 5. Ingwe missile 6. Seeker drone 7. Vulture UAV this doesn't need a air strip to operate. 8. Rooikat armoured fighting vehicle 9. RG-31 10. Marauder 11. Hornet 12. EW or ELINT kits for warplanes 13. ARHLAC (without the Rooivalk programme its design wouldn't have been possible). 14. Rooivalk 15. NTW-20 sniper rifle 16. V-LAP howitzer rounds 17. RG-41 18. Nyala 19. Cassipir-2000......The list is endless.

I still haven't seen what Nigeria can't manufacture from your list, rather, what makes you 20years ahead

each time Nigerians respond they endeavor to give links to prove their point,but those representing s.africa here engage in empty boasts.That's why you don't get challenged.You sound uneducated when you do that. Back up your claims by links or be quiet.That's why andrewza is the best of the bunch.

rka1:

You are the comedian, the F7s radar has longer tracking capabilities than you stated;

Heavily modernized aircraft with some basic 4th generation technology.
Armament includes advanced 42 km range Italian Grifo-7 radar with ECM, sophisticated 22 km range PL-9C air to air missiles, bombs, and air to ground rockets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

Your Gripen still has to get close and personal in order to be effective and no use saying that a BVR missile will be operational this year and it can't be included until it is active. Nigeria is expecting a lot of arms this year and we aren't using them in current scenarios.

As for your other posts, usual Hollywood fantasy stuff.

This makes me sad. You even don't know that the Grifo-7 is a French radar not Italian. That's why you don't know its range. The A-Darter is not a radar BVR missile,it is 5th generation infrared missile. Able to make 100g turns,it can strike warplanes and AAM behind the host craft...A project to acquire munitions for the Gripens has been ongoing for some time,it was hampered by the A-darter development. Now that the A-darter is getting into service this year. A new BVR missile will be acquired likely the meteor missile,while development of the Marlin missile will going. Just wait until we purchase heavy lift and air refuel planes Naija will be withing SAAF's striking range.

scipher:
I still haven't seen what Nigeria can't manufacture from your list, rather, what makes you 20years ahead

How long would it take Nigeria to "manufacture" a 5th generation air to air missile? How long would it take Nigeria to "manufacture" a surface to air missile? With Nigeria's defence budget it would take you guys 20-30 years to have those missiles.............Judge this by how long your scientists have been testing those Epe rockets.

drag_on: each time Nigerians respond they endeavor to give links to prove their point,but those representing s.africa here engage in empty boasts.That's why you don't get challenged.You sound uneducated when you do that. Back up your claims by links or be quiet.That's why andrewza is the best of the bunch.

Your Nigerian brothers said "Mr cut and paste" "Mr link",when we did that. Now we will tell you something and it is for you to found out and come tell us if we were wrong.

Mike..ZA:
Your Nigerian brothers said "Mr cut and paste" "Mr link",when we did that. Now we will tell you something and it is for you to found out and come tell us if we were wrong.

ode. you never get the message do you..

how can you argue with someone with just cut and paste information without your own analysis of the matter? especially when your cut and paste posts hardly correspond with the argument? huh?

you sound like an illiterate everyday. when you talk, talk with facts and sources. simple as ABC

all you've been saying here are just wishful thoughts since you have nothing to back them up, have continuously contradicted yourself, and have been discovered a liar.

Mike..ZA:
This makes me sad. You even don't know that the Grifo-7 is a French radar not Italian. That's why you don't know its range. The A-Darter is not a radar BVR missile,it is 5th generation infrared missile. Able to make 100g turns,it can strike warplanes and AAM behind the host craft...A project to acquire munitions for the Gripens has been ongoing for some time,it was hampered by the A-darter development. Now that the A-darter is getting into service this year. A new BVR missile will be acquired likely the meteor missile,while development of the Marlin missile will going. Just wait until we purchase heavy lift and air refuel planes Naija will be withing SAAF's striking range.

It is you and the misguided person who liked you I feel sorry for. The Grifo-7 is an Italian radar, not French.

http://babriet.tripod.com/airforce/stat/statgrifo.htm

It is you who doesn't understand the capabilities of the PL-9 hence your ignorance, Mr Hollywood.

And by the way, I didn't say the A-Darter is a radar guided missile (not that I care), but that your Gripen would have to get a lot closer in order to engage the F-7 which also has an infrared missile, olodo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-9

Please read the links this time and stop fantasising.

chris365:

ode. you never get the message do you..

how can you argue with someone with just cut and paste information without your own analysis of the matter? especially when your cut and paste posts hardly correspond with the argument? huh?

you sound like an illiterate everyday. when you talk, talk with facts and sources. simple as ABC

all you've been saying here are just wishful thoughts since you have nothing to back them up, have continuously contradicted yourself, and have been discovered a liar.

I've been telling what's happening in African battlefields. Now look at this source since you want source,this proves by 2011 SAAF already had more 6 pilots unlike what your Nigerian brothers have been saying www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-South-Africa/Update-from-the-programme/South-African-Air-Force-Air-Capability-Demo/

rka1:

It is you and the misguided person who liked you I feel sorry for. The Grifo-7 is an Italian radar, not French.

http://babriet.tripod.com/airforce/stat/statgrifo.htm

It is you who doesn't understand the capabilities of the PL-9 hence your ignorance, Mr Hollywood.

And by the way, I didn't say the A-Darter is a radar guided missile (not that I care), but that your Gripen would have to get a lot closer in order to engage the F-7 which also has an infrared missile, olodo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-9

Please read the links this time and stop fantasising.

The Iris-T and A-Darter missiles are capable of shooting down surface to air and air to air missiles. The PL-9C is not a capable missile compared to the A-Darter,that's your Chinese masters where backing Denel for it. They might have even stolen tech from SA. Like they're doing with the USA.........Regarding your radar lies here's link which,proves how obsolete your jets are. itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32804/

Mike..ZA:
I've been telling what's happening in African battlefields. unlike what your Nigerian brothers have been sayingNow look at this source since you want source,this proves by 2011 SAAF already had more 6 pilots www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-South-Africa/Update-from-the-programme/South-African-Air-Force-Air-Capability-Demo/

you see why we keep saying you south africans are dumb

your posts further validates our claims that SA has just 6 gripen pilots

let me teach you how to use "cut and past" information. observe!!

SA lacks enough pilots for her twenty something grippen jets.... evidence below (culled from @mike_za's link)

"The show opened with a keynote address from General Gagiano and a tactical run through of the upcoming activities by General Bayne, Director Combat Systems. The “enemy” was approaching from the north and the show opened with a dogfight between two Gripen fighters and an “enemy” aircraft. After that the helicopters arrived in force with troops and vehicles air dropped in to the battle, supported by Rooivalk attack helicopters. Hawk aircraft did strafing attacks and finally a four-ship of Gripen aircraft arrived and ended the “conflict” by putting 16 live Mk82 bombs into the target. An action packed hour was over and the South African Air Force had convincingly displayed its capability to defend the country."

unless you don't know what a "four ship formation" is, you would know that 2+4=6 olodo.

we didn't say you don't have more than six pilots, we only said your gripens lack enough pilots. simple and proven several times over.

you just proved what i said recently. you don't know how to back your stories cos you are a liar and a fantasist proved

Mike..ZA:
I've been telling what's happening in African battlefields. Now look at this source since you want source,this proves by 2011 SAAF already had more 6 pilots unlike what your Nigerian brothers have been saying www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-South-Africa/Update-from-the-programme/South-African-Air-Force-Air-Capability-Demo/

That's good homeboy.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-11203/

chris365:

you see why we keep saying you south africans are dumb

your posts further validates our claims that SA has just 6 gripen pilots

let me teach you how to use "cut and past" information. observe!!

SA lacks enough pilots for her twenty something grippen jets.... evidence below (culled from @mike_za's link)

"The show opened with a keynote address from General Gagiano and a tactical run through of the upcoming activities by General Bayne, Director Combat Systems. The “enemy” was approaching from the north and the show opened with a dogfight between two Gripen fighters and an “enemy” aircraft. After that the helicopters arrived in force with troops and vehicles air dropped in to the battle, supported by Rooivalk attack helicopters. Hawk aircraft did strafing attacks and finally a four-ship of Gripen aircraft arrived and ended the “conflict” by putting 16 live Mk82 bombs into the target. An action packed hour was over and the South African Air Force had convincingly displayed its capability to defend the country."

unless you don't know what a "four ship formation" is, you would know that 2+4=6 olodo.

we didn't say you don't have more than six pilots, we only said your gripens lack enough pilots. simple and proven several times over.

you just proved what i said recently. you don't know how to back your stories cos you are a liar and a fantasist proved

Read for yourself:

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-11203/

Fighter Pilot:

Read for yourself:

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-11203/

oh good. out of 26 gripen jets you only have 8 pilots and two navigators. doesn't that validate all we've been saying since? duh!!

and your news is outdated while in 2013 your defence minister admitted your government was too foolish to buy weapons you can't maintain and further admitted your airforce lacks the enough qualified pilots for your jets. na who we go come believe na

in his own words:
"At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year"

"One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate"
A dozen SAAF Gripens in long-term storage _ Pakistan Defence.htm

so who's deceiving who

chris365:

oh good. out of 26 gripen jets you only have 8 pilots and two navigators. doesn't that validate all we've been saying since? duh!!

and your news is outdated while in 2013 your defence minister admitted your government was too foolish to buy weapons you can't maintain and further admitted your airforce lacks the enough qualified pilots for your jets. na who we go come believe na

in his own words:
"At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year"

"One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate"
A dozen SAAF Gripens in long-term storage _ Pakistan Defence.htm

so who's deceiving who

maybe the guy thought he is more updated about their airforce than their defence minister.