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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 7:40am On Jan 09, 2014
Nigerian Airforce has only 20 PL-9 AAMs on their inventory.

"In 2005 it was reported that Nigeria has approved $251 million USD to purchase 15 Chengdu F-7 fighters from China. The deal includes 12 F-7NI (NI = Nigeria) single seat fighters, and 3 FT-7NI dual-seat trainers.[10] The $251 ($252?) million package included $220 million for 15 aircraft, plus $32 million for armaments, including 20 live PL-9C AAM, 10 training PL-9 rounds, unguided rockets"

Bwahahahahaha!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:47am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

SA has a total of over 74000 active personnel + over 30000 reserves.

even with your inflated false figures of about 100,000 the Egyptian 1.5 million man army will sourround and eat up the whole south african military the way colony of ants cover a single cube of sugar grin



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu22qgGsNBo
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:53am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot: Nigerian Airforce has only 20 PL-9 AAMs on their inventory.

"In 2005 it was reported that Nigeria has approved $251 million USD to purchase 15 Chengdu F-7 fighters from China. The deal includes 12 F-7NI (NI = Nigeria) single seat fighters, and 3 FT-7NI dual-seat trainers.[10] The $251 ($252?) million package included $220 million for 15 aircraft, plus $32 million for armaments, including 20 live PL-9C AAM, 10 training PL-9 rounds, unguided rockets"

Bwahahahahaha!!!

South Africa has only 25 IRIS-T missiles.

Nigeria has 20 PL-9C missiles, and another 150 AA-2 Atoll also called PL-2 air to air missiles....the information is from the same SIPRI source you quoted, read it to the bottom line grin

okay let me help you with another source...

https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-2.htm

nigeria has more than enough missiles to shoot down the whole south african air force many times over....and 300 Roland anti-aircraft missiles are eager to fly from ground to air also...we will roast your declining air force grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:05am On Jan 09, 2014
agaugust:

South Africa has only 25 IRIS-T missiles.

Nigeria has 20 PL-9C missiles, and another 150 AA-2 Atoll also called PL-2 air to air missiles....the information is from the same SIPRI source you quoted, read it to the bottom line grin

okay let me help you with another source...

https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-2.htm

nigeria has more than enough missiles to shoot down the whole south african air force many times over....and 300 Roland anti-aircraft missiles are eager to fly from ground to air also...we will roast your declining air force grin

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PL-2 is a scrap yard. Bwahahaha!! The only one I fear is PL-9.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:08am On Jan 09, 2014
agaugust:

even with your inflated false figures of about 100,000 the Egyptian 1.5 million man army will sourround and eat up the whole south african military the way colony of ants cover a single cube of sugar grin



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu22qgGsNBo

Those are not false figures mister.

Read: http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/582397

Read: http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=South_Africa

Chief, the only person inflating numbers here is you. Egypt has 460 000 active personnel including their guards plus 800 000 reserves. Unlike in SA, people who have completed their military basics in Egypt automatically become part of reserve force when they resign. If I am not mistaken, that policy started not long ago. Surely, if that was the same on us we should have levelled them since we train thousands of young matriculants every year through military skills development program to serve in the army for the period of two years.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:11am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

PL-2 is a scrap yard. Bwahahaha!! The only one I fear is PL-9.

we have 20 PL-9C to delete your 6 Gripen jets, our 150 AA-2 is a bonus/extra. show me a source that calls AA-2/PL-2 scrap.

AK-47 rifle is scrap, right ? Seleka used it to spoil your army's historical combat records for ever grin

You read what that american pilot said in my post on page 939 ? in visual range combat, no body's weapon is scrap, everybody dies easily.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:18am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Those are not false figures mister.

Read: http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/582397

Read: http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=South_Africa

SANDF army, navy, air force combined total active is 74,000. i dont see any reliable source for 30,000 reserves.

nigeria has combined total active army, navy, air force about 185,000.

SA is heavily out-numbered anytime anyday.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:28am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Chief, the only person inflating numbers here is you. Egypt has 460 000 active personnel including their guards plus 800 000 reserves. Unlike in SA, people who have completed their military basics in Egypt automatically become part of reserve force when they resign.

"The Egyptian Army is the largest service branch within the Egyptian Armed Forces, and is the largest army in both the Middle East and Africa. It is estimated to number around personnel 468,500, in addition 1,000,000 reservists for a total of 1,468,500 strong."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Force

i counted Egypt's active and reserve army, now add 70,000 Egyptian air force and navy personnel.... it is over 1.5 million soldiers.

show us your own source dude grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:33am On Jan 09, 2014
agaugust:

SANDF army, navy, air force combined total active is 74,000. i dont see any reliable source for 30,000 reserves.

nigeria has combined total active army, navy, air force about 185,000.

SA is heavily out-numbered anytime anyday.

Nigeria has a total of slightly above 100 000 active personnel with zero reserves. Do you think we don't know anything about that? Egypt has 460 000 active personnel + 800 000.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:37am On Jan 09, 2014
Challenges facing Egypt is that they have large reserve base which does not train regularly and is poorly equipped without heavy weapons and zero pilots.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 8:42am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Nigeria has a total of slightly above 100 000 active personnel with zero reserves. Do you think we don't know anything about that? Egypt has 460 000 active personnel + 800 000.

Nigerian Army alone has over 100,000 active personnel already and 9,000 recently came out of training. Will be 150,000 soon.

http://beegeagle./2014/01/08/nigerian-army-boosts-strength-by-9000-troops-to-tackle-terrorism/

http://beegeagle./2013/04/16/chief-of-army-staff-calls-for-manpower-strength-to-be-increased-from-100000-to-150-000-soldiers-more-battalions-to-be-established-in-yobe-state-kafanchan-and-in-n-e-towns-of-azare-mubi-mountain/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:48am On Jan 09, 2014
rka1:

Nigerian Army alone has over 100,000 active personnel already and 9,000 recently came out of training. Will be 150,000 soon.

http://beegeagle./2013/04/16/chief-of-army-staff-calls-for-manpower-strength-to-be-increased-from-100000-to-150-000-soldiers-more-battalions-to-be-established-in-yobe-state-kafanchan-and-in-n-e-towns-of-azare-mubi-mountain/

150 000 in your dreams.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:51am On Jan 09, 2014
The only advanced reserve forces in Africa are those from South Africa, comprising of professional doctors, nurses, technicians, engineers, pilots, scientists, combat soldiers, etc.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:55am On Jan 09, 2014
South African defence company Rippel Effect Systems has landed an order for its IGS-4S targeting and sighting system in Colombia.

According to the Colombian defence force website that country’s armed forces have opted for the Rippel Effect IGS-4S for its EE-9 Cascavel armoured combat vehicles.

This follows the Colombian Army Armour Directorate’s drive to improve the capabilities of its combat vehicles. Rippel Effect is a well-known 40mm weapon system supplier, including innovative sighting systems for these weapons. According to chief executive, Dr Fritz Visser, the IGS-4S (licensed from South African firm Vision 24 Observation Systems) is a new product Rippel has successfully brought to market within 18 months.

“It is a cost-effective high-tech solution for defence forces wishing to modernise older military vehicles and extend the useful life of equipment,” Visser said.

According to the Colombian website, 53 vehicles will initially be modernised with the targeting technology “affording efficient assistance to frontline units, whose task is to safeguard national sovereignty”.

The model selected by Colombia is the IGS-4S compact video sighting system can be utilised in conjunction with various vehicle-mounted weapons in calibres ranging from 7,62mm to 125mm. The system provides the operator with a 24/7 below-armour observation and ranging capability and to fire the weapon in all weather conditions, low visibility and darkness.

Rippel Effect said the IGS-4S accommodates multiple sensors tailored to suit user requirements and weapon choice. As a single system it is pre-programmed with ballistic aiming marks for any weapon and the various types of ammunition for the selected weapon.

According to the website (in Spanish), the IGS-4S has the additional ability to range distance to target. It has a laser rangefinder, day camera, uncooled thermal imaging and multi-function screen, which displays aim points and system parameters, as well as controls for the thermal camera.

The system is optimised for installation in small vehicles where space is of prime consideration. It requires only minimal modification for installation. Designed to accommodate multiple sensors, the IGS-4S selected by Colombia incorporates the modern pre-programmed ballistic calculation system for the 90mm cannon of the EE-9 Cascavel.

Rippel Effect Systems is the OEM for the successful XRGL40 extended range 40mm multi-shot grenade launcher now exported to numerous countries around the world. Designed as a true multi-role weapon system, it combines a modern weapon weighing less than 5kg with the GR40 smart multi-velocity sight, enabling the individual soldier to engage a variety of targets in different operational theatres at ranges up to 800m. The lightweight, compact GR40 electronic programmable sight allows the soldier to fire 40mm ammunition with different ballistic profiles from the same weapon - both 40x46mm low-velocity and 40x51mm medium-velocity grenades and also the latest less-lethal rounds.

DefenceWeb recently reported on Rippel Effect’s agreement with German company Diehl Defence to jointly market the Rippel Effect 40mm grenade launchers. Diehl and Rippel Effect Systems (RES) will qualify Diehl’s 40mm medium-velocity ammunition for Rippel Effect’s XRGL40 and UBL40 grenade launchers, according to Diehl Defence
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:55am On Jan 09, 2014
The South African Navy (SAN) frigate SAS Isandlwana returned to Cape Town on Tuesday morning, after a difficult rescue mission for distressed yachts in the Cape-to-Rio race.

Setting set sail for Rio de Janeiro in Brazil from Cape Town harbour on Saturday afternoon the 36 yacht strong fleet was caught in a massive storm. At least two yachts issued distress calls with another three experiencing problems, including one involving a fire on board. Altogether nine yachts experienced difficulties and were forced to return to shore.

The fleet were approximately 120 nautical miles north-north-west of Cape Town on Sunday January 5 when the yacht Ava transmitted an “Emergency Position Indicating Beacon” at 16h28. Another yacht, Bille, transmitted a “Mayday” using a satellite phone at 16h45. Bille indicated that she had been demasted, resulting in serious injuries and the death of one crew member.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:57am On Jan 09, 2014
In the DRC a SANDF sniper racked up what is considered by experts to be one of the longest successful kill shots and the home-grown Rooivalk combat support helicopter proved to be too much for the M23 rebel group, which has long been a thorn in the side of FARDC (DRC government forces) and the UN Mission in that country.

A single successful sortie by a pair of 16 Squadron Rooivalks is viewed by military observers as the turning point that led to the M23 retreating. It also marked the Rooivalk’s first ever combat since the helicopter entered service with the SA Air Force.

While the SANDF has yet to officially comment on the more than two kilometre shot by the South African sniper deployed as part of the FIB, military watchers said it was the sixth longest confirmed successful sniper shot in military history.

Equipment-wise, the SA Army will be breathing much easier now that all the paperwork is finally completed and Denel Land Systems can start production of its long-awaited replacement for the Ratel infantry fighting vehicle: the Badger.

The first of 238 Badgers will be delivered to the landward arm of service in 2015 with the final vehicle’s delivery date currently set for 2022. Sadly, the delay in finalisation of the production contract has meant a drop of 56 in the number of Badgers to be built.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:58am On Jan 09, 2014
Increased levels of fighting in South Sudan have apparently led to the SA Army being asked to send a mounted infantry battalion to the continent’s newest state in an effort to restore order.

At the same time the UN refugee agency (UNHCR) said more than 23 000 South Sudanese have fled to Uganda.

Fighting continues between government forces and rebels despite ceasefire talks being underway and the volatile situation in South Sudan is on the agenda of an AU meeting currently underway in Addis Ababa.

Afrikaans daily Beeld reported Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula as saying it would be difficult for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) to make 1 000 soldiers available for deployment to South Sudan. She said the South African military could offer assistance but did not specify what form it would take.

SANDF head of corporate communications Siphiwe Dlamini told the paper South Africans were already part of the UN mission in Darfur adding the AU meeting would have to take decisions on how to further the peace process in the East African country.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:04am On Jan 09, 2014
South Africa’s State-owned defence industrial group, Denel, is modernising most of its product offerings to increase.The group aims to increase its revenues to more than R7-billion by 2018 and achieve an order book worth five times that amount, or more than R35-billion. About half that order book would be for customers within Africa, including South Africa. The other main markets targeted by Denel are the Asia-Pacific, the Middle East and South America.

Currently, exports account for 50% of total group revenues, which have improved by more than 10%. Profit increased by R30-million to R71-million. Only one unit in the group, Denel Aerostructures, continues to lose money, but it has improved its situation by 35%. The group’s research and development spending exceeds R528-million a year. This is planned to increase, with a special focus on unmanned vehicles and artillery. Denel is also introducing new missile technology. It will continue to produce world-class products in these areas, as well as in ammunition and in the maintenance, repair and overhaul of fixed wing aircraft and helicopters, particularly in Africa.

Achievements were the continuing qualification of the A-Darter infrared homing air-to-air missile, being developed jointly with Brazil, and the start of the contract to build the new Badger infantry fighting vehicles for the South African Army. (The Badger is a local adaptation of Finland’s Patria armoured modular vehicle.)

Meanwhile, it has been reported that the SAAF has deployed three Rooivalks to the Democratic Republic of Congo to join the aviation unit of the United Nations Mission in the Congo (Monusco) and support Monusco’s Interven- tion Brigade, which includes South African troops. Defence-web reported that the Rooivalks have already undertaken successful combat missions against M23 rebels in the east of the DRC.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:05am On Jan 09, 2014
Denel Dynamics is bidding for a naval air defence contract in Vietnam and is offering the South-east Asian nation its Umkhonto short-range air defence missile as fitted on the South African Navy's frigate fleet and six Finnish warships.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:10am On Jan 09, 2014
The South African Government is considering brushing the dust off its rocket launching facilities to use them for space science. The Overberg Test Range has a wide complement of facilities, including the in-flight testing of advanced guided and aviation systems for the aerospace industry, but its launching facilities have been mothballed since 1992.

At the launch of Global Space Week on Friday, science and technology director general Phil Mjwara said his department was exploring the possibility of reviving the launch facilities, operated by arms company Denel, at the Western Cape site. "We are looking at the feasibility of [whether] it would make sense for us to resuscitate the activities there," said Mjwara, adding that he had returned from the United States following conversations with Nasa about possible collaboration.

This would be an about-turn from the previous uses of Overberg Test Range's launch capacity, namely launching missiles in the late 1980s under the guide of Denel's previous incarnation, Armscor.

South Africa has a natural geographic advantage when it comes to studying climate change, and Southern Ocean research forms an important part of the science agenda in the country. The Southern Ocean is the only ocean that is surrounded by other oceans, not land. University of Cape Town's Isabelle Ansorge, who is part of the Marine Research Institute, once described the Southern Ocean as the "lungs of the world's water".
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 9:39am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

150 000 in your dreams.

You are obviously too childish or thick to read. It isn't me saying it but the COAS.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 9:42am On Jan 09, 2014
Thiza: Increased levels of fighting in South Sudan have apparently led to the SA Army being asked to send a mounted infantry battalion to the continent’s newest state in an effort to restore order.

At the same time the UN refugee agency (UNHCR) said more than 23 000 South Sudanese have fled to Uganda.

Fighting continues between government forces and rebels despite ceasefire talks being underway and the volatile situation in South Sudan is on the agenda of an AU meeting currently underway in Addis Ababa.

Afrikaans daily Beeld reported Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula as saying it would be difficult for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) to make 1 000 soldiers available for deployment to South Sudan. She said the South African military could offer assistance but did not specify what form it would take.

SANDF head of corporate communications Siphiwe Dlamini told the paper South Africans were already part of the UN mission in Darfur adding the AU meeting would have to take decisions on how to further the peace process in the East African country.

The highlighted section above says it all.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 10:05am On Jan 09, 2014
rka1:

You are obviously too childish or thick to read. It isn't me saying it but the COAS.

COAS is telling lies, we have realiable stats in our defence sources.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:12am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

COAS is telling lies, we have realiable stats in our defence sources.
joke of the year

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 10:49am On Jan 09, 2014
scipher: joke of the year

Well, I thought that you have said that COAS confirmed the Nigerian military strength as 150 000. That number is yet to be reached.

Yet, the biggest challenge facing Nigerian military from swelling in numbers is lack of opportunities and promotions.

While they are trying to bring the numbers by let say 5000, another 5000 active personnel is resigning to pursue greener pasters in civilian life.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:58am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Well, I thought that you have said that COAS confirmed the Nigerian military strength as 150 000. That number is yet to be reached.

Quote where anybody said 150,00 has been reached? That is the aim, hence the establishment of the 7th Division in the NE, another one being set up in the South South region (amphibious division) and there are rumours that will be followed by possible new armoured division.

It won't take very long as they are churning out 9,000 troops a time.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 11:01am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:


Yet, the biggest challenge facing Nigerian military from swelling in numbers is lack of opportunities and promotions.

That is a silly statement as that is why there have been promotions etc to cater for the new battalions, Brigades being created, so what you have said doesn't make sense.

Officers that have reached retirement age are retired, unless they have specialist skills, so there is no log jam.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 11:02am On Jan 09, 2014
rka1:

Quote where anybody said 150,00 has been reached? That is the aim, hence the establishment of the 7th Division in the NE, another one being set up in the South South region (amphibious division) and there are rumours that will be followed by possible new armoured division.

It won't take very long as they are churning out 9,000 troops a time.

Follow Agaugust posts which went to even above 180 000.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by fydence: 11:04am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Well, I thought that you have said that COAS confirmed the Nigerian military strength as 150 000. That number is yet to be reached
so na confusion bn dey do u? U cant read or u lack the capacity to understand? Hw can u be disputing a fact u didnt even understand in the first place?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 11:04am On Jan 09, 2014
rka1:

That is a silly statement as that is why there have been promotions etc to cater for the new battalions, Brigades being created, so what you have said doesn't make sense.

Officers that have reached retirement age are retired, unless they have specialist skills, so there is no log jam.

My friend we are dealing with subjects that media cannot even reach, but only intelligence sources. Nigeria does not use routine policy of promoting officers due to financial constraints.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 11:04am On Jan 09, 2014
Fighter Pilot:

Follow Agaugust posts which went to even above 180 000.

He was probably including Civil Defence corps members and other para-military organisations, which will take the total now to that amount or even more.

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