chris365:

oh good. out of 26 gripen jets you only have 8 pilots and two navigators. doesn't that validate all we've been saying since? duh!!

and your news is outdated while in 2013 your defence minister admitted your government was too foolish to buy weapons you can't maintain and further admitted your airforce lacks the enough qualified pilots for your jets. na who we go come believe na

in his own words:
"At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year"

"One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate"
A dozen SAAF Gripens in long-term storage _ Pakistan Defence.htm

so who's deceiving who

Fighter Pilot:

One thing with Nigerians is that they do not read to comprehend. This is what I have collected from the website which I provided.

"At the same briefing, to mark the graduation of the first locally qualified Gripen fighter pilots, officers told reporters the squadron mustered three locally qualified pilots and six qualified in Sweden, making for nine. Three more were expected to qualify next year".

That meant that nine pilots were already qualified as at 2010 and three more were expected to add to that number.

chris365:

oh good. out of 26 gripen jets you only have 8 pilots and two navigators. doesn't that validate all we've been saying since? duh!!

and your news is outdated while in 2013 your defence minister admitted your government was too foolish to buy weapons you can't maintain and further admitted your airforce lacks the enough qualified pilots for your jets. na who we go come believe na

in his own words:
"At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year"

"One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate"
A dozen SAAF Gripens in long-term storage _ Pakistan Defence.htm

so who's deceiving who

chris365:

so in other words, your minister of defence and air force are playing ball with your heads abi?

one of them is lying and i would rather believe your minister who oversees your defence department. typical south african confectionists

drag_on: Lets not forget that the article is from 2010, as at 2013, the same website states they have 6 pilots

At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.
Written by defenceWeb, Wednesday, 13 March 2013
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

same here;

"Currently, only about half of the remaining 14 Gripens are flyable and there are only six qualified Gripen pilots. Corruption, shrinking defense budgets, and political pressure to find more black combat pilots and technical personnel has led to the South African Air Force having fewer operational aircraft.
August 18, 2013
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]South African Politicians Want To Sell Off Wasting Gripen Jets....

Our Air Force Is Falling Apart...South Africans Cry Out ! [/size]


South Africans, una never cry reach o ! Soon una go cry sh1t for ya pant !

You military commanders no come ask nigeria why we buy 15 F-7 jets for $250 million when the same money could by 15 SU-27 Flanker jets.


" Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots."

" It's believed that only six of those twenty fighter pilots were competent to handle these aircraft in combat. Most competent pilots have left the air force because of the lack of flying hours."


" many South Africans believe that the South African Air Force (SAAF) has been falling apart for years."


http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp


Now this is a good time for Angola to invade South Africa for a Bush War final leg re-match

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chris365:


sebi dem wan pack european shine shine weapons for show off.

the generals involved in the arms scandals should have been shot, or maybe SANDF generally lacks intelligent chiefs

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]South African Politicians Want To Sell Off Wasting Gripen Jets....

Our Air Force Is Falling Apart...South Africans Cry Out ! [/size]


South Africans, una never cry reach o ! Soon una go cry sh1t for ya pant !

You military commanders no come ask nigeria why we buy 15 F-7 jets for $250 million when the same money could by 15 SU-27 Flanker jets.


" Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots."

" It's believed that only six of those twenty fighter pilots were competent to handle these aircraft in combat. Most competent pilots have left the air force because of the lack of flying hours."


" many South Africans believe that the South African Air Force (SAAF) has been falling apart for years."


http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp


Now this is a good time for Angola to invade South Africa for a Bush War final leg re-match

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Fighter Pilot:

Bahahahahaha!!! That will never happen.

Fighter Pilot:

Bahahahahaha!!! That will never happen.

Fighter Pilot:

Bahahahahaha!!! That will never happen.

Fighter Pilot:

Bahahahahaha!!! That will never happen.

chris365:

and how has this changed the fact that it's true

you don't have a competent air force to challenge even tanzania. not to talk of Nigeria

Gerald Austine: dude ur yansh has been exposed dis is wat ma fellow naija brodas have been sayin on dis trend dat ur airforce is an overrated,ill manpowered,shiny shiny airforce and there is proof provided above and you are laughing or dont you have any lie to spew to try and cover your *ss that is full of sh*t or are you just a self proclaimed fighter pilot

frosbel: THE TOP TEN STRONGEST ARMY IN AFRICA
1) South Africa ( South Africa has the most powerful army in africa; it has more harmful weapons than any other country in Africa; it is the only African country that was trying to create the Nuclear weapon but was stopped by the US.
2) Egypt
3) Nigeria
4) Libya
5) Morocco
6) Sudan
7) Ghana
Tanzania ( Tanzania has the most powerful army in east africa, The Tanzania Peoples' Defence Force (TPDF) ( Swahili: Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania (JWTZ)) the one defeated Idi Amin in Uganda with big help from Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya)
9) Uganda
10) Kenya

frosbel: THE TOP TEN STRONGEST ARMY IN AFRICA
1) South Africa ( South Africa has the most powerful army in africa; it has more harmful weapons than any other country in Africa; it is the only African country that was trying to create the Nuclear weapon but was stopped by the US.
2) Egypt
3) Nigeria
4) Libya
5) Morocco
6) Sudan
7) Ghana
Tanzania ( Tanzania has the most powerful army in east africa, The Tanzania Peoples' Defence Force (TPDF) ( Swahili: Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania (JWTZ)) the one defeated Idi Amin in Uganda with big help from Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya)
9) Uganda
10) Kenya

owobiyi Oriyomi: [color=#990000][/color] I had 6 to 5years ago that Nigeria is the most strongest Arm forces in Africa. And one among in the world, why now SA,Egypt are befor us in Africa? Is it we ar not stonge as we are befor again or what?

Fighter Pilot:




@Agaugaust you will get hurt my friend, BEWARE of b0oby traps. SAAF has the so called SAAF Reserves which has a pool of pilots who are highly skilled and are even more than the sum of Griffins and Hawks added together.

http://www.af.mil.za/reserves/reserves.htm

Gerald Austine:

you still think am agaugust well na you sabi even if this is true your airforce shiny jets are too expensive to repair that why your government wants to sell them well you can't blame them the large debt your country owe is stil there well who will them for wanting to sell some of the things sulking their money

owobiyi Oriyomi: I had 6 to 5years ago that Nigeria is the most strongest Arm forces in Africa. And one among in the world, why now SA,Egypt are befor us in Africa? Is it we ar not stonge as we are befor again or what?

Fighter Pilot:


@Agaugaust you will get hurt my friend, BEWARE of b0oby traps. SAAF has the so called SAAF Reserves which has a pool of pilots who are highly skilled and are even more than the sum of Griffins and Hawks added together.

http://www.af.mil.za/reserves/reserves.htm

Mike..ZA:


Dude you're a comedian. Those other jet have canards to enable them to make tight turns. Besides your Nigerian F-7 have a radar that covers around 15km-20km.

Regarding the A-Darter it is scheduled to enter service this year. I'm sure training missiles are now delivered we are just awaiting SAAF to publicly reveal it maybe in the April-May air force demonstration. TOTAL AIR SUPERIORITY OVER NIGERIA.

agaugust:


first correction, nigerian F-7 jet Italian Grifo-7 radar range is 42 km, not your imaginary 15 km.

all nigerian 12 F-7 jets have qualified and competent pilots, and all our 12 jets are in perfect flying condition.

south africa can only fly 6 Gripen jets at once. nigeria out-numbers you in air superiority jets by ratio 2:1.

nigeria has double the air power of south africa in Gripen Vs F-7.

nigerian PL-9C missile has technical specification of 90% chance of bringing down the enemy when fired.

so, it does not matter south africa has A-DARTER missile, and it is NOT yet in service, your A-DARTER is being delayed every year, maybe by 2015 it will hopefully enter service.

what makes you think by that time nigeria would not have bought PL-12 missile ? nobody has monopoly of getting new weapons this new year.

south africa has total 19 jets flying with qualified pilots, 6 Gripen, 13 Hawks.

nigeria has total 53 jets flying with qualified pilots, 12 F-7, 12 MBB-339, 12 Alpha, 14, 17 L-39.



try find solution to the fact that nigeria heavily out-numbers south africa in all mixed types jet fighters by a wide gap ratio 4:1.


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Mike..ZA:


Now here's a little scenario that would play out if the F-7 was to meet the advanced: The Gripen detects a enemy craft at round 115km. The pilot will weigh his options whether to engage or not and other stuff like does the plane still have enough fuel for the dogfight. Then if decides to engage: At high speed enemy craft on radar screen he blasts into the F-7's 15km-20km radar covered area. The F-7 will detect an incoming enemy plane,from there the pilot will drop his tanks(Thee F-7 carries three fuel tanks in superiority roles+2 missiles) and try get a lock on the enemy. By the time he does this the Gripen will be within visual range and firing its first missile causing your pilot to take his plane into evasive manoeuvres against a 5th generation missile coupled with the Cobra HMD with no luck the F-7 will be shot down. TOTAL AIR SUPERIORITY OVER NIGERIA.

agaugust:
south africa has total air superiority over zimbabwe, NOT nigeria.
now let me not reply you, let a fully qualified american air force jet fighter pilot reply you below :


"Upon entering into an WVR (within visual range) combat envelope the MiG-21 Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even 5th generation fighters like Stealth F-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Fighter Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth "in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate." "

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939
profile of commentator above, Ben Lambeth :
BIOGRAPHY
Benjamin S. Lambeth is a Senior Research Associate at the RAND Corporation. In 1989 and 1990, he directed RAND's International Security and Defense Policy Program. Before joining RAND in 1974, he served in the Office of National Estimates at the Central Intelligence Agency, CIA.
Prior to that, he worked for the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the Institute for Defense Analyses.
A civil-rated pilot, he has flown or flown in more than 40 different fighter, attack, and jet trainer aircraft types with the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps, as well as with eight foreign air forces. In 1988, he received a front-seat checkout in the F/A-18 Hornet. In December 1989, he became the first U.S. citizen to fly the Soviet MiG-29 fighter.
He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and is the author of The Transformation of American Air Power (Cornell University Press, 2000). In 2002, he was elected an Honorary Member of the Order of Daedalians, the national fraternity of U.S. military pilots.
HIS RESEARCH FOCUS
Air Warfare; Military Force Planning; Military Strategy; Russia
http://www.rand.org/about/people/l/lambeth_benjamin_s.html


can any south african air force pilot match this man Ben Lambeth ? he is the one who says upgraded MiG 21 Bison jet (India's equal to Pakistani F-7 jet) can shoot down a 5th generation stealth jet fighter F-22 Raptor of America. its not me @Agaugust who said it o !

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agaugust:

the comment you posted by @frosbel is the personal opinion of the man frosbel, on page one when this debate began.

however from pages 1 to 939 we have had many people prove that frosbel was wrong on page one.

Egypt has the strongest military in Africa, followed by Nigeria. We have proved the new and correct list to be :

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[size=14pt]Top 10 Military Powers Of Africa Ranked In Order Of Overall Strength....Weapons, Men, Experience[/size]


(1) EGYPT

(2) NIGERIA

(3) ALGERIA

(4) ETHIOPIA

(5) SUDAN / SOUTH AFRICA / MOROCCO / UGANDA

(6) ERITREA / ANGOLA


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Fighter Pilot:

1. South Africa
2. Egypt
3. Ethiopia
4. Nigeria
5. Algeria

agaugust:

Lol, South Africa will use its 50,000 soldiers to defeat Egypt's 1.5 million soldiers ? Lol Even your sangboma herbalist will not be able to help you.

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