darkchild64:


If everyone had to attain the age of reasoning before being introduced to religion or even the concept of "God", religion will die off in no time,so u coming here to complain that the term "childhood indoctrination" is a cliché is laughable, religion owes everything to childhood indoctrination

3nim:
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That was really not complex. The third party explanation was unnecessary.

But this is exactly what I'm talking about..you are the one deliberately trying to play with the words.
You believe in a Uno motor but you don't believe in it enough.... It make sense, yes, and kudos to you for your English skills.
Do you want a motor that will last for 17 years or you want the one with the higher horse power? When you want to buy a car, let your belief guide you. lol.
I maintain my position.

ScienceWatch:
You not thinking as an individual, but has been effectively indoctrinated by Atheists worn out propaganda. You are going round and round in circles with no end in sight. This bad habit is something you have in common with all Low-level unregistered Atheists

Here is a more suitable question for you;
How did the universe come to assume the character which it possesses?

butterflyl1on:


This is simple every day English. You are the one trying to say what he neither said nor implied. You were the one who asked him IF HE BELIEVED IN THE EXISTENCE OF OTHER GODS

and he responded by saying that YES HE BELIEVED IN THE EXISTENCE OF OTHER GODS

He never said HE BELIEVED IN THOSE OTHER GODS BUT SIMPLY THEIR EXISTENCE

how does this translate to him believing IN those other gods? How you saw something he never said or implied is amazing to say the least.

Be careful to note that the operative phrase is I BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE and not I BELIEVE IN. EXISTENCE being the qualifying word.

ScienceWatch:
Thank you for clarifying this Sir. 3nim may have been drinking too much during the festive season.

darkchild64:


If anyone has noticed something about ur arguments it is that u never care to disprove what the post u quote says instead u just bash it,in the post u quoted I made a point about how teaching religion at ones early years play a role in what the person believes as an adult,instead of u to highlight the reason(s) u disagree with what I said u go about talking of atheist propaganda or whatever u term it

darkchild64:


If anyone has noticed something about ur arguments it is that u never care to disprove what the post u quote says instead u just bash it,in the post u quoted I made a point about how teaching religion at ones early years play a role in what the person believes as an adult,instead of u to highlight the reason(s) u disagree with what I said u go about talking of atheist propaganda or whatever u term it

butterflyl1on:


3nim hasn't been drunk! This is pure mischief is what it is. She is trying to force feed us with what you neither said nor implied simply because her brain has been set on a course with its steering broken off DELIBERATELY.

HOW ON EARTH CAN SOMEONE SAY THEY BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING, AND SOMEONE ELSE IS BOW TRYING TO DECISIVELY SAY TO THE ONE WHO MADE THAT COMMENT, THAT WHAT THEY MEANT WAS, THAT THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY SAID WHEN THEY ONLY BELIEVED IN THEIR EXISTENCE.

the height of this deliberate dishonesty is one that no measuring tool can handle.

butterflyl1on:


How old are you boy? Let me ask you a very simple question, as a child did you depend on someone older and wiser than you? As an adult are you totally independent? Do you know everything and can do everything so much so that you have absolutely NO NEED for anyone better, wiser, more intelligent in those things you lack the ability of tackling?

If you already have a child, why is it that your child automatically looks up to you in a pre-programmed manner? Why was your child or yourself born with an already inbuilt dependent nature?

Let's talk about where your wisdom starts and ends and where mine begins.

butterflyl1on:


3nim hasn't been drunk! This is pure mischief is what it is. She is trying to force feed us with what you neither said nor implied simply because her brain has been set on a course with its steering broken off DELIBERATELY.

HOW ON EARTH CAN SOMEONE SAY THEY BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING AND SOMEONE ELSE IS BOW TRYING TO DECISIVELY SAY TO THE ONE WHO MADE THAT COMMENT, THAT WHAT THEY MEANT WAS THAT THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY SAID AND THAT THEY ONLY BELIEVED IN THEIR EXISTENCE.

the height of this deliberate dishonesty is one that no measuring tool can handle.

3nim:


Whether he believes in them or he believes only in their existence, I believe they are fictional.
Sciencewatch believes in the existence of all the rulers of the universe and creators of Humans?

At first glance actually even referred to his belief in their existence. If I meant otherwise, I believe I might have asked if he SERVED them all.

If he believes in the existence of Krishna...does he also believe that Krishna created him? I don't know

butterflyl1on:


3nim hasn't been drunk! This is pure mischief is what it is. She is trying to force feed us with what you neither said nor implied simply because her brain has been set on a course with its steering broken off DELIBERATELY.

HOW ON EARTH CAN SOMEONE SAY THEY BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING AND SOMEONE ELSE IS BOW TRYING TO DECISIVELY SAY TO THE ONE WHO MADE THIA COMMENT THAT WHAT THEY MEANT WAS THAT THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY SAID THEY ONLY BELIEVED IN THEIR EXISTENCE.

the height of this deliberate dishonesty is one that no measuring tool can handle.

ScienceWatch:
Thank you for clarifying this Sir. 3nim may have been drinking too much during the festive season.

ScienceWatch:
3nim, did you ever make time to speak to, or read about the lives, the rich culture, the warmth and loving communities of those people that believe in the existence of their Gods? Did you care to ask them to explain from their own experiential knowledge?

3nim:


"This is pure mischief".

At this point, I'd like you to kindly go and sit down.

I honestly thought before now, that you wouldn't be like this.

Sorry I can't be so accommodating now, maybe that's cuz I just woke up from sleep and I don't feel like giving some time to your words.

I'm not trying to force feed you and forgive me when I say that your capitalised paragraph was pure nonsense. You've said reasonable things before and maybe you just got up from the wrong side of the bed today so feel the need to do this.

I've tried to explain how it doesn't matter to me how much he believes in these gods, as long as he believes in their existence. You just brushed off the explanation. I really don't want that sort of argument.
I know you were quoting sciencewatch. I gave in to the urge to make a comment here.

butterflyl1on:


If it doesn't matter to you then why are you harping on it? If it doesn't matter to you then allow his comment remain his own and not you insinuating what he did not even think about least of all talk about.

If you believe in the existence of faeces does that mean you eat it?

There is a reason English language has expressions and there is a reason words are added or removed form sentences. Once a word is added as a qualifier then the meaning is altered drastically such as in this case when he said he believes in their existence ONLY. If you have issues with people who simply believe in the existence of what you do not believe in and you are now trying to pass the buck and assume everyone is like you who neither believes in their existence nor in them then strictly focus on yourself because sciencewatch isn't like you so stop trying too hard regarding something that isn't there.

If my comment above first confuses you, then read it again or even 5 more times for sake of clarity.

butterflyl1on:


How old are you boy? Let me ask you a very simple question, as a child did you depend on someone older and wiser than you? As an adult are you totally independent? Do you know everything and can do everything so much so that you have absolutely NO NEED for anyone better, wiser, more intelligent in those things you lack the ability of tackling?

If you already have a child, why is it that your child automatically looks up to you in a pre-programmed manner? Why was your child or yourself not born with an already inbuilt independent nature?

Let's talk about where your wisdom starts and ends and where mine begins.

darkchild64:


What exactly is going on I ur brain,did I ever complain that I hate the fact that I was taught religion as I child,or that I resent my parents for that

What am simply saying is this

RELIGION ONLY EXISTS TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TAUGHT RELIGION DURING THEIR CHILDHOOD WHEN THEY CAN NOT REASON PROPERLY,IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE AND PEOPLE WERE LEFT TO CHOOSE THE RELIGION OF THE CHOICE AT ADULTHOOD, RELIGION WILL DISAPPEAR IN NO TIME

please if u feel what I said is wrong,raise ur objections from the point I made and disprove it don't be quoting me as saying what I never said

butterflyl1on:


It's either your skull is squeezing your brain too tightly and denying it blood supply or your brain is 20 steps to the left.

Where in my question did I even mention religion? Where did I even hint at religion in my comment? Are you hallucinating?

I asked a very simple question and you are creating an issue I never mentioned. Do you have a boil for a replacement as a brain?

Learn to read and understand before responding.

butterflyl1on:


How old are you boy? Let me ask you a very simple question, as a child did you depend on someone older and wiser than you? As an adult are you totally independent? Do you know everything and can do everything so much so that you have absolutely NO NEED for anyone better, wiser, more intelligent in those things you lack the ability of tackling?

If you already have a child, why is it that your child automatically looks up to you in a pre-programmed manner? Why was your child or yourself not born with an already inbuilt independent nature?

Let's talk about where your wisdom starts and ends and where mine begins.

darkchild64:


Forgive me if I got u wrongly, now can u kindly explain what u mean by this since u claim u weren't referring to anything religion

butterflyl1on:


Answer the simple question and stop insinuating RELIGION in every comment.

darkchild64:


What question

Let me ask you a very simple question, as a child did you depend on someone older and wiser than you? As an adult are you totally independent? Do you know everything and can do everything so much so that you have absolutely NO NEED for anyone better, wiser, more intelligent in those things you lack the ability of tackling?

If you already have a child, why is it that your child automatically looks up to you in a pre-programmed manner? Why was your child or yourself not born with an already inbuilt independent nature?

Let's talk about where your wisdom starts and ends and where mine begins.

butterflyl1on:

darkchild64:


I don't think I can afford the time to answer ur question,[color=#770077][/color] no offense

butterflyl1on:


If you cannot understand and respond to such a simple question, how then can you understand whatever you are told that is more complex? How then as the adult you are, ask questions and demand answers to them, when you are too lazy to respond to any you are asked?

darkchild64:


I don't think I can afford the time to answer ur question,[color=#770077][/color] no offense

butterflyl1on:


Answer the simple question and stop insinuating RELIGION in every comment.

darkchild64:


What question

darkchild64:


What question