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Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 7:00pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
Except Gusau has a political ambition/agenda he shouldnt be making such controversial public comments. Last time i checked, his portfolio was 'NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER' to the Presidency and not minister for finance or Information&communication |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by tkb417(m): 7:01pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
Beaf:LOL!!! |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 7:04pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
stealth01: I doubt if some folks here will still be able to see it that way. They probably believe that as the NSA, he should have a say in issues concerning interest rates and deposit insurance. They will never be able to understand that the office of the NSA functions differently from the office of the CBN governor and one has not been appointed to Boss the other |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by naijaking1: 8:54pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
stealth01: We have gone through educating people like you that: yes, banking instability is a security issue. Now, you want another series of lectures on how the NSA has information on just about everything in this country. Unless you're the president or acting president, you probably don't know how far the tentacles from the NSA office can go, and you won't find out here on N/L. The issue is not about the protfolio of the NSA, but whether Sanusi's crazy banking "revolution" is damaging our economy. If it's true, then, why bother which government official speaks on the issue? |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by SapeleGuy: 9:46pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
It is amazing that people on this site who can grasp complex economic theories refuse to come to terms with a joined up approach to risk and national resilience. Any and everything that can bring a nation to its knees is a national security issue. The economy is definitely within the remit of the NSA. The question is what will this govt do about the economic epidemic that is Sanusi? |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 10:18pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
Any rational person will think security issues affects the economy and in most cases, not the other way round. If the NSA can take care of security issues, including Kidnappings and riots, Niger Delta crisis, foreign investor's confidence might just be bolstered It should be the CBN governor and other Economic advisers calling for the resignation of the NSA for making a mess of things and not the other way round. It just baffles me that no matter how you try to educate people on the fact that its the toxic assets and bad debts accumulated by the banks that lead to job losses and not Sanusi, many will still never understand. Sanusi did not give any instruction that banks should lay off workers, they did so because they realize how highly leveraged they were and the best route available to them is to lay of part of the fixed cost component of their balance sheets. I bet if Sanusi had fold his arms and watched Intercontinental failed, many will still rush here to blame the dude for doing nothing. . . .wake up egg heads, he was protecting depositors money, and all he simply did was to sack the crooks that manage those positions and told the remaining bank chiefs to tidy their accounts! How ironical to even think he was doing everything in his power to recover some of these bad loans that the CEO's have written off, and many still think he's the problem. Those CEO's awarded loans worth of billions of naira to people without good credit history, it was even learnt that a CEO's housemaid managed to secure a loan of 13billion naira, and just because someone came up and shouted enough is enough, you were so quick to accuse him of so many things. More bizarre is the fact that some egg-head who should rather focus his attention on pressing security of the state in a time when the country seem to be sitting on a keg of gunpowder with news and horror stories of riots, he'd instead choose to discuss how and how not banking reforms should be conducted, what the hell does he know about financial risk management? Some half educated punk will probably come up to tell me "he's the NSA boss so he knows lots of stuffs about economics and finance" i'd say really? Does the fact that being an NSA boss make him knowledgeable in all fields? Should we expect the NSA boss to tell us how health ministry should be run as well. . . . cos in Nairalanders words "Health issues are related to security issues as well" No one is even questioning why he made the statement in the first place, could it have been because he got some $$$ from Akingbola and Ibru? I mean, if i got some $$$, i'd sure want to appear to be a good friend as well. Lastly, if Sanusi was really that bad, how come he got international appraisal from bodies like the world bank and the IMF? . . . .of course, lemme guess, "its because Management of the World bank are really dumb and they don't know shít about finance, but the almighty NSA boss knows better" |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by truly: 11:07pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
Beaf:Sanusi answered this charge on Channels TV recently. In attendance were the Editorial Board Chairman of Business day Ogho Okiti (Phd Ecn) and another economist - Boyo - who had always criticised Sanusis. At the end of the day, Sanusi appeared to have won them over Sanusi produced statistics to show that banks were not even lending to SMEs before the crunch How much of their SMEIES fund did they lend before the crisis? - pretty little He says that is why CBN is coming up with targeted facilities to SMEs Sanusi is not a saint However he is more believable than Gusau Being a politician, Gusau is more likely to play politics than Sanusi Note that Gusau was the only person who did not withdraw his candidacy at PDP convention that would have made a Yaradua a full consus candiate of the PDP CBN controls monetary policy which delivers financial stability With stability, fiscal policy can operate and grow the economy |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Ibime(m): 11:11pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
SapeleGuy: We do expect a joined-up approach to National issues. What we wont accept is a mindless NSA faulting others out of ignorance. Gusau could have simply said that "economic problems threaten security" without giving us his limited and faulty economic analysis. . . . Lets get Gusau out of the way, and deal with the economic issues raised. . . Beaf said that Sanusi is to blame for fall in lending and quoted our venerable Maijama of NASSI to that effect. . . . I wanna also ask if Ben Bernanke is responsible for the fastest decline in US bank lending in history. . . and I am talking 2010, not 2008. . . . this is what happens when we look at economic issues through a narrow lens. . . Every instituion faces a trade off between liquidity and profitability. . . .liquidity requires keeping adequate capital to prevent cash flow problems and possible liquidation. . . whilst profitability (within context of banks) requires them to lend (release liquid capital) to make profits. . . . if we look at our problems in 2009, we had a liquidity crisis. . . all the policies implemented (reduction of MPR - by both Soludo and Sanusi, introduction of EDW, reduction of NIBOR through blanket guarantee by CBN of the Interbank market. . . . amongst other measures) were implemented to arrest a liquidity crisis and prevent cash flow problems taking banks under. . . . then a capital adequacy requirement of 10% (similar to Basel II requirements) was put in place to prevent the same risk repeating itself. . . this was how the liquidity problem was averted. . . and it was successful. . . Just like in Yankee, this is a problem which has been building up over time, and even after arresting the liquidity crisis, analysts both home and abroad expect a slow easing of credit, not an immediate panacea . . . so all this shouting na yawa. . . Apart from natural cautiousness on the part of banks to prevent repeating their old mistakes, some of the fiscal measures taken to both treat liquidity crisis and prevent future scenarios also work to disincentivise lending. . . these include anything from capital adequacy requirements, widening (and expected tightening later) of interest-rate spreads, low interbank rates etc. . .like they say in economics, every economic medicine has side-effects which also need to be treated. . . whilst Bernanke for example would like to address the fall in lending immediately, he is aware that any attempt to reverse some of these policies could lead to further-capital erosion and a return to liquidity problems. . . so na jeje im go do am. . . . Economic policy is a balancing act. . . those who accused Sanusi of killing the stockmarket in 2009 have now changed focus to credit-tightening in 2010 in light of 36% increase in the NSE. . . paradoxically, a lot of the growth in the stockmarket is being driven by bank funds that could otherwise have been lent to the economy. . . this is true both in Nigeria and Western markets. . .and will continue to be so as banks prefer to keep liquid capital more than ever in light of their recent liquidity problems. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by 4Play(m): 11:33pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
The contraction in credit to the private sector is as a result of banks rebuilding their balance sheet which was severely damaged during the faux boom of the Soludo era. Because the contraction followed Sanusi's actions, people automatically assume that he is responsible for it. I guess it's the kind of reasoning that led people to associate sunshine with malaria. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 11:47pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
4 Play: Now this got me really laughing hard! |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 1:25am On Apr 22, 2010 |
[size=18pt]Bank Reforms crippling Real Estate sector, says REDAN[/size] http://nigeriamasterweb.com/paperfrmes.html |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by naijaking1: 1:53am On Apr 22, 2010 |
^^^ Very soon one of these Sanusi's analysts will dig up some offensive information about Chief Afolayan, and infact tell us why he's not qualified to say those "things" |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 2:20am On Apr 22, 2010 |
[size=18pt]IMF Backs Sanusi’s Banking Reforms[/size] http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=154608 |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 2:22am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Are we saying those guys at the IMF are dumb or lemme guess, the usual excuse, the probably have a nothern agenda as well |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 2:24am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Violent Your IMF Backing was on 16 September 2009. We are in April 2010 and Nigerians are directly feeling the pinch of Sanusi's anti-growth policies and you are still quoting IMF assessment last year? |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 2:26am On Apr 22, 2010 |
naijaking1: It is so easy to be a cheap messiah in Nigeria. All you need to do is tough talk and they will believe anything you say hook, line and sinker without assessing the merits of your arguments or actions. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by violent(m): 2:52am On Apr 22, 2010 |
mikeansy: The fact that it was September last year does not make it any less invalid, are you by any means saying those guys were drunk when they were saying those things? Nigerians are feeling it, that's right, Sanusi didn't promise a smooth sail, all he promised was a better one in the end, if you want the rainbow, you have to put up with the rain. Nigeria is not the only country to suffer the effects credit squeeze and job losses. i really still find it hard to comprehend people's thinking in this regard. . . like someone rightly pointed out, folks are just looking for someone to blame, and in their dull minded state, rather than blame the individuals who made the rot degenerate thus far, they'd blame the one who came to put it right! And what exactly, pray tell is anti growth about his policies? The fact that the CEOs were sacked? |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 3:22am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Violent I can see you like speaking english for the sake of it. A real estate professional has said that investors in the real estate sector are unable to get Bank support to do Business and you are asking what is anti growth? (see report about REDAN above) Businessmen in all sector of the economy are in slow motion because Banks are no longer playing their traditional intermediation role and you are asking me what is anti-growth. lending to small businesses has been criminalised and you are asking me what is anti-growth? (Dangote paid off his debts in Nigeria and went to borrow from South Africa the next week) IMF has a history of backing reforms when they start for the first time and when the plans fall within the guidelines of IMF framework. But they deny you for lack of proper implementation when the policies go wrong. The IMF is deeply controlled by the US Government and Governments who refuse to modify the advice they get from IMF and tailor it to their perculiar needs usually comes short. This is where Sanusi is failing. And yes between September 2009 and April 2010 is a very long time in the dynamics of any Nation's economy expecially at this time when the world economy is very turbulent. And trust me if Sanusi is sacked today and a new CBN Governor is appointed, IMF will also have some new kind words for whoever is appointed. It is called International Diplomacy in order to build a good working relationship. IMF only has negative words for any Government when things are obviously out of hand. We don't want to wait for things to get out of hand before we call Sanusi to order or get him to resign. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 3:28am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Can I also tell you why you will never get it? You think Sanusi is a saint and everyone else is a thief. Get rid of that mentality and you will realise the world is a lot deeper than you think it is. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Ibime(m): 4:28am On Apr 22, 2010 |
mikeansy: Why do you like repeating yourself like a broken clock? I am noticing a trend when any Sanusi-hater is challenged with facts on here, they go and produce another accusation instead of backing their initial argument. Since only one man called Sanusi is responsible for 100 different crimes against the financial system, I can only assume that irrational hatred is driving all these spurious allegations. I am still waiting for you to tell me how I should categorise Ben Bernanke vis-a-vis credit tightening in the US. . . or even addres any of the other points raised. Having already established a credit tightening in the Nigerian economy (and world economy) as a whole, what credit should I give you for pulling out quotes from different subsectors of the economy? Whats next. . . are you going to pull out a quote from the Snail Sellers Association of Nigeria telling us they have malaria because they have been in the sunshine too long? Now you want us to take economic advice from someone who wants us to believe that he "can build a house in 2 days". . . . he must be talking about zinc house. . . cos I dont even think a foundation will set in 2 days. Next time you wanna educate us, please produce a link like this. . . http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9991:getting-to-grips-with-nigeria-gdp-&catid=117:news&Itemid=349. . . not all these comments from the economic equivalent of Alaba market traders. And BTW, since you believe IMF backing of reforms is too long ago, I wonder what you have to say about Okonjo-Iwealas backing just two weeks ago. . . . or many of the other comments by seasoned observers and international investors and analysts, none of which I deem worthy to provide for you as often as you provide quotes from Alaba market traders. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 5:08am On Apr 22, 2010 |
For those who think economics should begin and end with all IMF agrees with see example of how IMF largely backs US agenda first before anything else. At a time the US is bitterly protesting the value of Chinese currency which gives them export advantages see IMF's proposition to China. Will the Chinese reserve Bank listen to IMF first before what they think will further their economic interests? Sanusi is not experienced enough to know when not to agree with his economics textbooks. Too much emphasis on risk management in an economy like ours is stiffling growth. IMF backs stronger Chinese currency as Asia powers ahead http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gZCMmH_bK9L6zErEuFWEz5geqPnA I don't hate Sanusi, I just believe the guy has no clue what he is doing. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by naijaking1: 5:54am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Ibime:Beating about the bush! These quotes were asked for by you guys as proof that the economy is going sour, now you seem irritated by the truth in these articles
I beg my brother, quit making a fool of yourself . Did you even try to research what the man was saying before condenming him? Though he's not Jesus Christ who promised to rebuild the temple in 7 days, but truely, truely modern houses are built in a matter of hours not even days. I have watched a brand new house spring up in my neighborhood from 8am (at the start of normal work day), and was roofed and completed by 4pm using perfectly pre-fabricated materials brought in by 2 trailers. And before you change this thread into housing construction technology(I know you will that), just remember that Chief Afolayan's point was that the banks are not lending out money. Okonjo-Iweala's comment was not a positive for Sanusi, it was a soft landing. Go read it again, this time, pay more attention to the lines. She was minister of finance during Soludo, and if you think she would come out shouting invectives like Sanusi does, then you too probably doesn't understand the nuancess of diplomatic, but non-supportive talk. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by mbulela: 6:56am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Why is Gusau making noise in public? He should get SLS sacked and coopt the reserve bank governorship duties into his NSA duties. silly,sick old men. In his books, you only catch a thief when and if he is a pioneer and a monopolist thief. since Ibru and Akingbola are not the only thieves,lets leave them until we can catch all of them at the same time? All these simplistic silly comments of persons who think slaying SLS in public is a fun sport is mind baffling. I am no fan of SLS but if anyone thinks that the removal of Ibru et al is a the reason for any percieved economic problem, the person needs the person must have built a house on sand cos this foundation ain't all that at all. Gusau should remain in the background where he remains 'most effective' and if he wants to be seen as been relevant by the common man,he should use his security skills to address the criminality masqurading as militancy in the ND and the grwoing trend of terrorism in the country. He should stop exposing his biased and unschooled mind on issues that do not border on seedy security matters. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by Nobody: 7:17am On Apr 22, 2010 |
mikeansy: talking about china? ibru and co would have faced firing squad long since |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by odedele: 8:55am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Sanusi has consistently threatened shareholders that he would liquidate the eight banks taken over by the CBN if they refused to allow him sell them. It was appalling that the CBN had resorted to this desperate tactics in a bid to force genuine shareholders to sign off their legitimate holdings in the banks he forcefully took over. It was a sign of the weak argument of the CBN that these taken-over banks are dead, which is why he cannot convince shareholders to part with these banks he claims were dead. What the shareholders were asking for was their right, the right to recapitalize their banks, if the CBN claims that they are undercapitalized. This right is inalienable and no manner of threat from the CBN will make shareholders give up this right. “If these banks are this bad, why is the CBN trying to sell them, why have they lined up a bevy of willing buyers for banks that are supposedly dead? Shareholders will not allow the CBN to take over what the CBN did not set up. The CBN’s role is to regulate banks, not to manage banks and definitely not to sell banks it does not own. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by tkb417(m): 9:10am On Apr 22, 2010 |
I can see you like speaking english for the sake of it. A real estate professional has said that investors in the real estate sector are unable to get Bank support to do Business and you are asking what is anti growth? (see report about REDAN above)Now i want to end this once and for all Let me explain in simple english The Banks do not have money and will not lend until they grow healthy The banks presently are trying to recover the trapped funds just like the one with Ibori, Gusau and others published in the papers If this is what Sanusi has done wrong, then i cant help you in simple terms, the banks were gonna go bust if Sanusi didnt do what he did so quit making noise about the banks not lending it may interest you to know GTBank, Diamond Bank, FBN are still giving out money And talking about Real Estate, my unit raised the sum of 2 billion bridge loan facility for one big real estate guru in Badore lekki maybe i shd give you a clue, the man is a retired General (dig up and drive to the site in Abijo and ask the guys in there) They got the money through FBN so oga sharrap |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by tkb417(m): 9:15am On Apr 22, 2010 |
The contraction in credit to the private sector is as a result of banks rebuilding their balance sheet which was severely damaged during the faux boom of the Soludo era. Because the contraction followed Sanusi's actions, people automatically assume that he is responsible for it. I guess it's the kind of reasoning that led people to associate sunshine with malaria. LOL!!! well said oyb:LOL some of these guys in here shared in the loot. . . now that things dont look good, all of them are shouting nail him on the cross LOL. This story reminds me of Jesus Christ hehehehe Sanusi is going nowhere, all you crooks will go to jail in Jesus name amen |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by mbulela: 10:21am On Apr 22, 2010 |
^^^^^^^^^^^ and all the people say, AMEN!!!!! |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by naijaking1: 10:41am On Apr 22, 2010 |
mbulela: If you wanted us to take you seriously, you could have at least started with a true statement. You're one of the biggest, loudest, and "blindest" supporters of Sanusi. You just forgot to read your own posts. |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by tkb417(m): 11:11am On Apr 22, 2010 |
is he my father or why should i be interested in him? i only admire his guts and his work in this country where mediocrity, laziness, corruption, nepotism, jingoism, flagrant abuse of the rule of law are the norm, then Sanusi shd be praised only God knows what would have happened to ma life savings if Erastus was allowed to continue stealing only God knows. . . . but here i am still thanking God Sanusi continue your work; Gusau will soon start making pronouncements on the ailing education sector as it engenders insecurity in the country what a troglodyte!!!! |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by tkb417(m): 11:18am On Apr 22, 2010 |
If these banks are this bad, why is the CBN trying to sell them, why have they lined up a bevy of willing buyers for banks that are supposedly dead? Shareholders will not allow the CBN to take over what the CBN did not set up. The CBN’s role is to regulate banks, not to manage banks and definitely not to sell banks it does not own. hi odedele this your last line got me thinking. . . brought it up with one of my bosses who dislikes sanusi with passion The constant thing in his outbursts is always this your last line maybe Biina and Violent can give their thoughts on the part emboldened |
Re: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by ud4u: 2:04pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
I keep on saying that Sanusi has done more harm than good. |
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