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Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by awesomeJ(m): 7:23am On Mar 04, 2018 |
Tasma: if you heat up a piece of metal in a furnace, and it melts, wouldn't it be silly of you to say, you need to find out why it melted. isn't it obvious that it was your heating it up that caused it to melt? At some point you must have been a student, and you must have known that for some few students to have better grades than some others, something must have spelt the difference. If a student attended every class and read very very well for the exam, and that was all he did, wouldn't it be silly of you to argue with him when he says he got his success via hardwork? If I on the other hand didn't do any reading but merely asked someone to make me pass excellently, and yet as difficult as it could have been, I passed, isn't it silly for you to argue the fact that I said it was due to my request that I passed. Now don't just quote me with some long notes, tell me what in your own mind could have been the cause of my success. An army Brigadier says to his battalion "Fire", and you're claiming " we can't conclude" that the reason why the army shot the ammunition was the Brigadier's instruction. You're just being over skeptical. Tell me what you think could have wrought that instant healing I mentioned of Kenneth Hagin. If you can't provide these two explanations I have demanded, or you'd want to say something like "I don't know, but it's not your letters" Then obviously, your comments wouldn't be deserving any response. So you may just decide against making them to save yourself some time. |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by Tasma: 8:59am On Mar 04, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Read my comments above, if I heat metal I can prove that I heated it, if I read for an exam I can prove that as well. Your issue seems to be that things that are hard to explain happen. Five people are in a car, one prayed to get to his destination safely. There is an accident and just that one guy survives without a scratch while all others die. Point is it can happen, stranger things have happened! Attributing his survival to his prayer is not automatic. He could as well have died, someone who did not pray at all could have survived. This incidents happen every day. People recovering from terminal diseases occur ask any doctor. Some pray, some dont, some believe in God, others don't. There is no way to ascertain that it was their prayer that was the cause of the recovery because there are also millions that prayed for their recovery and did not get it. So unless you saying God is simply choosing to answer some prayers and ignore some... which would lead back to my point that you cannot prove it. You may want to believe it but that's a far cry from proving it. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by EmperorHarry: 11:21am On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:I don't know what to say again...NVM |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by awesomeJ(m): 12:57pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
Tasma: I want to continue in this convo, but first if you're saying it wasn't my prayer that made me pass, then explain what you think the cause was. Take your big bang guys for instance, they didn't just say "The universe has no creator" they at least made an attempt in explaining that there was a bang. The probability of that being true is zero anyways, but they at least tried. So why not follow suit. Why was I able to pass an exam that I did nothing but pray about, whereas several other folks in my class failed, and those who also passed, did so by their awesome efforts. Make a try bro. |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 1:11pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
vaxx:I agree 100%, no one can escape the consequences. The rich fail daily, and they know not why. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 1:40pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol. |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 1:41pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol really loud this time. 1 Like |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 2:00pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:Thanks for the language lessons. It helped me appreciate the deeper spiritual lesson you are sharing here. I disagree with your point that your beliefs are irrelevant because you happen to be in Rome. In spiritual reality. You are always Omo Basurun. 1 Like |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by vaxx: 2:10pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:ensure you wear undies so that the punana will not be exposed when your skirt is finally lifted... it is good to reply you back in your terminology, you understand it better 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by budaatum: 6:36pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Listen to yourself heaping praise on me. I am so touched that my eyes mist over! My beliefs are very relevant, to me, wherever I am. While I may appear to observers to be a Roman when I am in Rome, I am still buda atum, Omo Basorun, the Son of the King of the Heavens, wherever I may be, underneath my toga.. You, for one, know how my beliefs influence and motivate my bringing light from heaven. But just let me try convincing others that my beliefs are literally true and watch people ask me if I use a bucket or a suitcase to carry the sun from the heavens to the Orolu Kingdom. You may be aware of another who also claimed to be the Son of the King of Heavens. Do the words "Crucify him! Crucify him!!" sound familar? That's what people of this world do when they think you are asking them to see things as one does. They can't take it so they shut you up. My beliefs should not be so relevant to others, is what I would like to be understood please. My beliefs are very relevant to me or else I would not believe them. I believe you have been thinking, by the way. Missed you! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by budaatum: 6:40pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
vaxx:When I, lift up my skirt (for I sincerely doubt anyone would be so rude as to go lifting up my skirt for me!), it will be so that people see what is underneath it. There will be nothing underneath to hide the view! |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by Tasma: 8:12pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
awesomeJ: First off you're making several assumptions in this write up. First I'm not saying its not your prayers that helped you pass. Secondly I don't know what you mean by my Big Bang guys since I never discussed the origin of planets with you. Lastly you conveniently forgot a group of people that pass exams without preparing well or praying, yes it happens. What I'm saying is that you can't PROVE that the cause of you achieving a goal is because you prayed about it. For you to be able to PROVE it you would have to consistently get the specific requests you pray about. Other than that all you can say is that you believe your prayers bring results you can't prove it. Read my example of the possibilities that may result after a car accident, do you agree with them? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 8:39pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
budaatum:I am always respectful of others cultural/spiritual beliefs. I find that it mostly has the power they profess. We should never let secular education blind us to truly rich cultural/spiritual heritage. Omo Busorun, continue your sacred mission and bring light from heaven in this dark and excessively evil world. 1 Like |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by frank317: 9:34pm On Mar 04, 2018 |
awesomeJ: U seem.not to get his point. He is only trying to let u know why ur version of reaon why u passed the exam could be doubtable. If you ask a person who studied night and days for the exam and he tells he passed because he read hard... that would be easy to understand. If u say u wrote a letter to an unknown person amd he magically helped u pass... that could be doubtable even if its true. This is because saying u were magically helped is not a resonable explanation because it cant be proven like studing hard. Even if u didnt study for the exam... given u are not the first to pass without studying... one could easily say that u were quick to understand the subject just by attending class and because u felt u needed extra help u wrote a letter to a magician for help... this does not stop ur intelligence from still coming to play. The magician might be talking credit for what he didnt do. It is expected that u should understand, when people doubt ur verson of reason why u passed. |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by ScienceWatch: 9:14am On Mar 05, 2018 |
vaxx:VAXX your humour is off the charts as usual. I am having uncontrollable fits of laughter. BudaAtum knows how to tickle your Funnybone. Lol. Lol. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by MuttleyLaff: 3:47pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
THE ETYMOLOGY & ORIGIN OF THE YORUBA WORD IYAWO The original Yoruba word for wife is "Aya", not "Iyawo". The latter is quite commonly used nowadays than the former. I would take you through how Iyawo came about: Wura, a beautiful damsel who was at the phase of choosing a spouse was faced with the task of selecting the most suitable one for herself, she was the first child and the daughter of the King of Iwo (a yoruba town). Yoruba deities like Sango, Ogun, and other known male deities went to Iwo to seek her hand in marriage. Wura mistreated them all. Wura was very rude and uncouth. She meted the worst behaviour one can think of onto her suitors. Everyone of them failed to accomplish the prospect of marrying her because they could not withstand her behaviour and they all abandoned their mission on the very first day. That was how tough Wura was. However, when it was the turn of Orunmila, before he set for Iwo, he sought wisdom from Olodumare through Ifa. He was duly informed that no matter the illtreatment Wura might subject him to, he must not react angrily. He should be patient, tolerant and long suffering. He was highly warned to expect humiliation from Wura and must resist the temptation to be provoked. When Orunmila got to Iwo, Wura looked at him scornfully. She did not welcome him. She hissed at him, called Orunmila all sorts of deprecating names. She neither offered Orunmila any food nor entertained him. Orunmila kept an even face. The first day passed, second day, till about the seventh day. To cap it all, Wura took Orunmila's Opon-Ifa (i.e. divination board) and used it as firewood. She took Orunmila's Pouch (i.e. Apo Ominijekun) from him. This angered Orunmila greatly but he still conducted himself with silent restraint and dignity. He refused to react to her behaviour having been warned of the consequences of not heeding the advice. Eventually, the King realised that Orunmila was humble, mild mannered and well behaved. He was amazed that Orunmila did not react or show any sign of anger towards his daughter despite the humiliation. Orunmila's behaviour gave the Olu Iwo the assurance that he, Orunmila would take good care of Wura, his daughter, if she became his wife. All along however and unbeknown to Orunmila and other suitors, Wura's behaviour had been a carefully planned and executed test for all the prospective suitors. The King finally summoned Orunmila and handed Wura over to him with his royal blessings to take unto himself as wife. The king went on to divide his property into two. He gave Orunmila half of it and Orunmila thus became rich and had Wura as his wife. Upon Orunmila's arrival back home, his people welcomed him enthusiastically as a hero for his accomplished task of winning the hand of the beautiful daughter of Olu Iwo and bringing fame and fortune to his community. They asked for some details of his new wife, his answer was direct: Iya-ti-mo-je-ni-Iwo (i.e. the result of my humiliation at Iwo town). This eight syllable word, "Iya-ti-mo-je-ni-Iwo" later became known as Iya-Iwo, and now Iyawo. Hopefully with this new information I have educated you a bit more about your wife. So if she hisses at you sometimes and is obstinate, just remember Orunmila's humiliation at Iwo before he won his wife's hand in marriage. ... and keep behaving like Orunmila!!! NB:If you have ever read William Shakespeare's TAMING THE SHREW you should be able to note some similarities. https://www.facebook.com/Aajiirebi/posts/1732802163420867 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by Hashimyussufamao(m): 9:44pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
Seun: And I just made a research about your signature. You think special sir. |
Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by budaatum: 3:22pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
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Re: Is Atheism A Belief Or Lack Of Belief by orunto27: 3:47pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Atheism is Superstition. And a Belief. |
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