Peacefullove:


funny set of people

Following your logic :

Psalm 90 vs 2 said the Earth was brought forth as well, it means it wasn't created ?

you should read before you reply, I said proverb 8 is not literal.
Literally brought forth means create but since it is not a literary passage it does not mean create many bible scholars agree with me.

solite3:
if a son is begotten by the father it means the son share of the same substance of the man. If Jesus is the only begotten Son, it would also mean Jesus share the same substance with God this would make Jesus God.
Since God is not made then Jesus was not made!

The most silly response here so far . You guys are making me laugh so hard.

Even humans share the same substance with God ( his divine nature ) , going by your logic it means they are not made right?

If they are made , it means Jesus was made as well .

A Father always exist before the Son , do you agree ?

solite3:
you should read before you reply, I said proverb 8 is not literal.
Literally brought forth means create but since it is not a literary passage it does not mean create many bible scholars agree with me.

The Lord in that passage is not literal as well ? Tell me nah


so Wisdom doesn't mean wisdom as well ? Since its not a literal passage according to you

Yeye

removetheturban:
Proverbs 8:32 And now, my sons, As an educated person, did you read there that wisdom was 'used'?
Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there;

Read the above for understanding.
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/8-30.htm
Use the above link and compare other Trinitarian Bibles for reference.

Do you still hold that a feminine gender was used to qualify wisdom?
You need a mirror. Good to know that you understand the figurative language. Using your knowledge, let us delve into the figurative sense of these expressions. What is the significance of Wisdom in these figurative expressions?
We will open up the expressions beginning from Proverbs 8:1 King James 2000 Bible
Does not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

Now, you will begin by specifying which of the voices is heard and personified. That of wisdom or that of understanding.
So, what was created in Proverbs 8:22?
New Living Translation
"The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else. You are the one saying that because the chapter is talking about Jesus and then you are blaspheming against Jehovah by saying that his wisdom is the one created in Proverbs 8:22.

You made up a doctrine and you are trying to mystify me with your final question. That is a slothy move.
Did you deduce in your mind that I am a spring chicken? You are floating in a cesspit of heretical myth.

You are selling a pandemic heresy online simply to uphold a heretic Trinity. Bro, where is your mind? At this rate you could even sell your Bible to defend the Trinity which is not nice.

wisdom and understanding are the same. Since you take proverb 8 literally the burden of explaining how wisdom is a real person and how she was creatverse.st on you.

U accusing me falsely when did I say wisdom was created. It is you that is forcing a literal meaning on a non literal verse.

Are you calling the bible heresy cause that is what I defend.

Hairyrapunzel:


Go and look for where it said the Son of God was a created being. Abi no passage on that? Speculation believer

Noise maker . You as well believe mountain's were. Created , Oga show me where the bible Said Mountains are created ? No verse or you believe just speculation

hahaha
That was a brutal response. I really feel for solite3. He must be biting his nails seeking a psychological route to escape this Trinity heresy. He has been hammered so bitterly that he is running out of any reasonable clue to defend the doctrine.

Instead of rocking back to consider the points of the oppositions, he is defiantly defending a lie.

Disappointing.

Peacefullove:


For Paul to call Onesmus a son, he was clearly not UP TO THE AGE of Paul .

Which means Paul exist before Onesmus .

Do you now accept Jesus Father EXIST before Jesus ?

Peacefullove:




The Lord in that passage is not literal as well ? Tell me nah


so Wisdom doesn't mean wisdom as well ? Since its not a literal passage according to you

Yeye

so wisdom is a woman God created ?

Peacefullove:



The most silly response here so far . You guys are making me laugh so hard.

Even humans share the same substance with God ( his divine nature ) , going by your logic it means they are not made right?

If they are made , it means Jesus was made as well .

A Father always exist before the Son , do you agree ?

no human is called the begotten son of God.
In the natural world a father always exist before his son but not so with God.
Humans do not share same substance with God Mr man.

removetheturban:
hahaha
That was a brutal response. I really feel for solite3. He must be biting his nails seeking a psychological route to escape this Trinity heresy. He has been hammered so bitterly that he is running out of any reasonable clue to defend the doctrine.

Instead of rocking back to consider the points of the oppositions, he is defiantly defending a lie.

Disappointing.

your wish.
You are hilkarous

removetheturban:
hahaha
That was a brutal response. I really feel for solite3. He must be biting his nails seeking a psychological route to escape this Trinity heresy. He has been hammered so bitterly that he is running out of any reasonable clue to defend the doctrine.

Instead of rocking back to consider the points of the oppositions, he is defiantly defending a lie.

Disappointing.

your wish.
You are hilarious

Peacefullove:


Are you scared ni

Define begotten ?

Am waiting




Learner

Even your Bible confirm it that humans will share the Divine nature of God too .


Going by your silly definition of what begotten is, , Can we now say this humans are uncreated so far they share Gods divine nature ?

Secondly, since having the divine nature is the meaning of begotten according to you .. Does that mean Jesus wasn't even only begotten son ?



Am waiting .

Scared ??....funny... I just dnt have this time going round circles with u...so have fun..

Peacefullove:


For Paul to call Onesmus a son, he was clearly not UP TO THE AGE of Paul .

Which means Paul exist before Onesmus .

Do you now accept Jesus Father EXIST before Jesus ?

does it mean Paul gave birth to or created onesimus?

solite3:
wisdom and understanding are the same.

Is that what you were taught in school?

Deuteronomy 4:6
King James Bible
Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Why is there AND in the verse above if they are the same?

solite3:

Since you take proverb 8 literally the burden of explaining how wisdom is a real person and how she was creatverse.st on you.

Bro, you came up with figurative language. You should know better what you bring to the table. If you are new to that term, it demands explication. You do not throw a figurative term like an old wallet and keep walking. You have to explain what you mean because your readers have thousands of thought in their minds.

You are silently running away from the truth. If you insist that Wisdom is a personified figurative term, it means that it has a significance. The significance is Jesus as you plainly explained in Psalms. If you could direct the significance of Psalms to Jesus, then you know who Proverbs 8:22 refers. You will not accept to go deeper into the significance because, in your heart, you know that we are narrowing it down to Jesus.

solite3:

U accusing me falsely when did I say wisdom was created. It is you that is forcing a literal meaning on a non literal verse.

Okay. So what was created in Proverbs 8:22?

solite3:

Are you calling the bible heresy cause that is what I defend.

Are you defending John 20:17?

You know that I am right.

Tell me who was created in Proverbs 8:22

If it is figurative, then tell me the significance of the figurative term.

solite3:
your wish.
You are hilarious

Peacefullove:


Beginning NOT source pls dubious one . Rev 3 vs 14 KJV

A mountain can never be the beginning of a river, The beginning refers to the starting point of the water that formed the river , so the beginning of the river is a part of the river. Likewise, the beginning of creation is a part of creation .

A mountain can be the source of a river or it can also be a marshland.

Rainfall and melting snow
Some rivers begin in mountains or hills, where rain water or snowmelt collects and forms small channels, . At first, the channels are small and are called rills. As more water enters the channels they grow forming gullies (larger channels). The streams in the gullies eventually become big enough to form a river.
Lakes

what substance do humans share?

solite3:
no human is called the begotten son of God.
In the natural world a father always exist before his son but not so with God.
Humans do not share same substance with God Mr man.

solite3:
no human is called the begotten son of God.

How was Jesus begotten ?

Isaac was also Abraham only bgotren begotten son .

In the natural world a father always exist before his son but not so with God. ,

Proof!!!



Hahahahaha . Why are angels called Son of God then if it's not so with God , he doesn't exist before them ?



What is the biblical usage of Father and Son , who exist first ?

Humans do not share same substance with God Mr man.

According to your Bible they will, Bible lied ?

Don't urinate in your pants yet. Cos this is getting too much for you I guess

removetheturban:
Is that what you were taught in school?

Deuteronomy 4:6
King James Bible
Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Why is there AND in the verse above if they are the same?
Bro, you came up with figurative language. You should know better what you bring to the table. If you are new to that term, it demands explication. You do not throw a figurative term like an old wallet and keep walking. You have to explain what you mean because your readers have thousands of thought in their minds.

You are silently running away from the truth. If you insist that Wisdom is a personified figurative term, it means that it has a significance. The significance is Jesus as you plainly explained in Psalms. If you could direct the significance of Psalms to Jesus, then you know who Proverbs 8:22 refers. You will not accept to go deeper into the significance because, in your heart, you know that we are narrowing it down to Jesus.
Okay. So what was created in Proverbs 8:22?
Are you defending John 20:17?

the writer in proverb 8as grouped wisdom and understanding as one.
Stop trying to be clever by half. How did Jesus appear in proverb 8 explain.

Let me give you an example of what a figurative or personified expression is from the bible

Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

According to you righteousness and peace really kissed each other or righteousness and peace must refer to real people who met and kissed themselves.

Since wisdom refers to somebody who was created.

removetheturban:
what substance do humans share?

direct your question to peacefullove

Ihateyoumod:


Scared ??....funny... I just dnt have this time going round circles with u...so have fun..

Say I don't know Or am ignorance of what am talking about next time , not giving dubious excuses .


You said Jesus is Gods only son because he shared same nature with God

With that single point, do you now agree Jesus is not the only son of God since many other humans will share Gods divine nature too ?

Are those humans Uncreated because they share same nature with God ?

So simple, defend your statement by answering these

Peacefullove:


Say I don't know Or am ignorance of what am talking about next time , not giving dubious excuses .


You said Jesus is Gods only son because he shared same nature with God

With that single point, do you now agree Jesus is not the only son of God since many other humans will share Gods divine nature too ?

Are those humans Uncreated because they share same nature with God ?

So simple, defend your statement by answering these

Continue the argument with ur private part

Peacefullove:


How was Jesus begotten ?

Isaac was also Abraham only bgotren begotten son .



Proof!!!



Hahahahaha . Why are angels called Son of God then if it's not so with God , he doesn't exist before them ?



What is the biblical usage of Father and Son , who exist first ?





According to your Bible they will, Bible lied ?

Don't urinate in your pants yet. Cos this is getting too much for you I guess

Jesus has always been God's uncreated son.
John 1: 1 said Jesus was with God in the beginning so he was not created.
Pls don't urinate in your pants.
I know you want to quote 2 Peter1:4.
But be ready to put it in the right context and get exposed.
I getting tired of going round

solite3:
so wisdom is a woman God created ?

The Lord in that verse is what it is .

Wisdom is wisdom as well

Create is create as well

Do you mean your god doesn't have wisdom until he created one ?

Peacefullove:


The Lord in that verse is what it is .

Wisdom is wisdom as well

Create is create as well

Do you mean your god doesn't have wisdom until he created one ?

smh

solite3:
Jesus has always been God's uncreated son.
John 1: 1 said Jesus was with God in the beginning so he was not created.

John 1;1 never said Or answer why he is called Son.

it won't help you .


Son don't always be , Father exist first!

They ain't twins, there is a reason they are termed Father and Son.

Pls don't urinate in your pants.
I know you want to quote 2 Peter1:4.
But be ready to put it in the right context and get exposed.
I getting tired of going round

Humans will share the divine nature, does that make them uncreated . that applies to Jesus as well.

Again, a Son don't always exist, that's a lie .

Father exist before the Son

Peacefullove:


Jesus was also in Gods image as well bruh

Then it means , Jesus was also created to have been called Son of God , right ??

Be sincere with your self



Your argument now is that ALL things is not absolute right . apply that the next time you read that all things was made through Jesus. It doesn't mean he himself is not a creation . All things is not Absolute.

Am still waiting for why Jesus and the angels are called Son of God ! ?

The scripture no were called angels Sons of God.

Ihateyoumod:


Continue the argument with ur private part

Ask your pastor on Sunday since you are unable to answer

Why is Jesus , Angels and Adam all called Son of God ?

bloodofthelamb:


The scripture no were called angels Sons of God.

@ removetheturban , shey you see your friends ?

I can't just stop laughing

Oga, who are those called Sons of God who came to earth to marry wives in the Bible ? Let me ask that first

solite3:
A mountain can be the source of a river or it can also be a marshland.

Rainfall and melting snow
Some rivers begin in mountains or hills, where rain water or snowmelt collects and forms small channels, . At first, the channels are small and are called rills. As more water enters the channels they grow forming gullies (larger channels). The streams in the gullies eventually become big enough to form a river.
Lakes

Olodo the mountain itself is not the beginning, it That part of the river found in the mountains is the Beginning .

That water in the mountain forms the beginning or starting point and its part of the river as well

Beginning of something is a part of it.

E.g Nokia 3310 is the beginning of my using a phone.

Nokia 3310 is also a phone as well

Another example: They are the set of student that begins that school.


They are students as well .


When God decide to create, Jesus was the beginning or first . of his Creation.

As evident by the term First BORN

Peacefullove:


Olodo the mountain itself is not the beginning, it That part of the river found in the mountains is the Beginning .

That water in the mountain forms the beginning or starting point and its part of the river as well

Beginning of something is a part of it.

E.g Nokia 3310 is the beginning of my using a phone.

Nokia 3310 is also a phone as well

Another example: They are the set of student that begins that school.


They are students as well .


When God decide to create, Jesus was the beginning or first . of his Creation.

As evident by the term First BORN

Jacob, David, Ephraim were all called firstborn too. They weren't the first children to be born. Duuhhh
Jesus is before all things.

Peacefullove:


@ removetheturban , shey you see your friends ?

I can't just stop laughing

Oga, who are those called Sons of God who came to earth to marry wives in the Bible ? Let me ask that first

God did not call the angels his only begotten or one and only son.

Peacefullove:


Noise maker . You as well believe mountain's were. Created , Oga show me where the bible Said Mountains are created ? No verse or you believe just speculation

First show me where they said the son of God was a created being. No verse still? We ain't arguing about mountain we are arguing about Jesus or is Jesus a mountain?
Jesus created all things and He is before all things na Bible talk am.
Show me where they said Jesus was a created being.