Colourich:
I doubt, more doctors will always flood the Nigeria labour market. The demand for labour will always be below the supply for labour as far as many Nigerians see investment in human capital as a way of alleviating future poverty. So there ain't no fear.

Myopic!

How many doctors do all Nigerian universities train in a year? How many are leaving every year? We are approaching the point where only those who can't pass their certification exams to practice abroad will be left to take care of us in the country.

merits:
please tell them oooo,going abroad is not the solution,have been privileged to traveled out of the country and i see alots nothing special about overseas.some Nigerian are roaming about to earn a living over there but pretending as if everything is okay."i must make it here in Nigeria", that's my own motto and slogan.what about you?

You traveled abroad on a visitor Visa and you're comparing yourself with professionals emigrating to work as medical doctors?

I find this thread very funny.

It is the vulnerable ones, the ones that cannot afford private medical care and rely on overcrowded, over-stretched public hospitals that are the ones crowing about doctors leaving.

People who have sense know enough to worry about the brain drain. When your best, brightest and most experienced doctors leave, and you think the solution is to rotate in a conveyor belt of fresh graduates to replace them...is that not the height of foolishness?

I think this stupidity is a Nigerian thing. The "let them go, we have others to replace them" mentality was what we saw happen in our universities where we killed the value proposition of lecturing, ensuring that the best graduates flee from staying back to lecture.

In fact, I'm actually joining some of you in says jf "let them go". Because they deserve a better life overseas where they are well paid. And because it is only intense suffering that can make you lot change. So when we have the inevitable crisis in our public health system, those of us that can afford private care will sit on the sidelines and laugh at you.

Nonsense.

MrAnele:
Currently all the really good doctors in Nigeria are planning to travel out...

I don't think there's anything such as a 'bad doctor'. Except, maybe an unmotivated doctor.

Many doctors may be engaged in other endeavours or businesses apart from medicine, so may not consider travelling out to practice in other Countries.

Our leaders thought they av money to travel abroad for treatment. Soon the God we pray for will surely arrest dem on air.

Nigeria is in dire need of passionate and selfless leaders and the solution lies in our hands if only we will set aside tribalism,religious sentiments and personal interest and pave way for national interest Nigeria can be great .Nigeria will be great if Yoruba can look into the eyes of his fellow clan and say this is not right,it will be great if Igbo can look into look into eyes his fellow clan and say this is not right and if Hausa can look straight into his brother's eyes say the same thing.Nigerian political elites seek for medical care abroad with our commonwealth while our nation's health system is left in the state of disrepair.We must rise up in unity and harmony to ask for what is our right or else we will keep making motion without movement.

The terrorist we have as leader does not give a Bleep about that.The doctors can all leave for all he cares.

NaMe4:


I don't think there's anything such as a 'bad doctor'. Except, maybe an unmotivated doctor.

Many doctors may be engaged in other endeavours or businesses apart from medicine, so may not consider travelling out to practice in other Countries.

You are right about the possibility of engaging in other activities. I can speak for Canada. Alot of Foreign trained doctors just abandon the practice completely and retrain in some other profession or chase some other endeavors due to the near impossibility of practicing in Canada.
Somehow they prefer that to staying back in Nigeria. At the end of the day, everyone is looking for better quality of life and not necessarily the money they can make by practicing their profession overseas or in Nigeria.

https://www.thestar.com/amp/vancouver/2018/04/12/doctors-without-jobs.html

By ALEX MCKEEN STARMETRO VANCOUVER.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.macleans.ca/news/canada/doctors-in-training-are-growing-extremely-nervous-about-the-lack-of-opportunities/amp/

By Tola Afolabi.


Nigerian docs seeking to practice abroad should just move to the UK. They have the floodgates open.

so, the doctor can sit back in England working in an organized society but he doesn't want others to join..if he so much loved Nigeria why didn't he come back home? talking of hypocrite. I beg if you are a doctor and den give you visa don't listen to this man oh.

We would be managing native doctors, or are they equally planning a mass exit from nigeria?

Colourich:
Who said there ain't enough doctors in Nigeria?

reality is we don't have enough qualified docs

swear we just had a strike too few weeks backs... the issue is in years to come it will get worse no point sugar coating the obvious
even government flies out of country for medical help ... that speaks volumes

There are thousands of unemployed doctors out there so they can leave it will make no difference.

Besides if not for surgery doctors are not needed by many abi no be typhoid n malaria treatment

rentAcock:
Na so. They think it is that easy. All the gra gra of getting a visa alone will discourage many. How about my church member who was a doctor in Nigeria? The guy sold his house and traveled to the US with his family over 16 years ago, only to hear that he has given up on his dream of practicing as a medical doctor in the states and has settled for menial jobs like nursing assistant. People are lured by the nice salary doctors earn overseas like how some doctors earn over $200,000 a year and with specialty that number balloons to over $300,000. What they don't realize is how difficult it is to get residency. So many American trained medical students are even finding it difficult to get residency let alone foreigners. Moreover, they sometimes require them to take some other exams or fufill a course requirement which many fail to accomplish.

If these doctors are threatening to leave the country, they should let them, after all, there are many students praying to gain admission for medicine to replace them.

I couldn't wait to read through your entire write up.
A NIGERIAN MEDICAL DOCTOR working as a NURSE assistant is even better paid, more secured and also has a better future for his kids than your LOCAL GOVERNMENT CHAIRMAN and the CMDs of Federal teaching Hospitals, provided the CMD doesn't loot public funds.
Imagine when such now works as a medical doctor, he is.

Have you ever asked someone what the MINIMUM WAGE of the USA is like..??
Don't always rush to type, verify things OK.
U sound like a GRADUATE as well as a sound one....try and verify why people seek to be in the US.
Even BANK MANAGERS resgin, to relocate to the US.
I guess u don't know much about the US.
Have u ever wondered why people TESTIFY in churches when granted the US visa or better still GREEN CARD..??

Do u think that Medical Doctor has not achieved much...??
Just ask him to relocate to Nigeria and watch him heap curses on you.
Someone doing a menial JOB over there takes home with roughly 850k/month.
Mind u, Nurse assistant is not a menial Job. U need genuine papers to acquire such.
Government Schools are entirely Free with the best of teachers globally. Best Brains are always with u and ur kids.

THANK U

texazzpete:
I find this thread very funny.

It is the vulnerable ones, the ones that cannot afford private medical care and rely on overcrowded, over-stretched public hospitals that are the ones crowing about doctors leaving.

People who have sense know enough to worry about the brain drain. When your best, brightest and most experienced doctors leave, and you think the solution is to rotate in a conveyor belt of fresh graduates to replace them...is that not the height of foolishness?

I think this stupidity is a Nigerian thing. The "let them go, we have others to replace them" mentality was what we saw happen in our universities where we killed the value proposition of lecturing, ensuring that the best graduates flee from staying back to lecture.

In fact, I'm actually joining some of you in says jf "let them go". Because they deserve a better life overseas where they are well paid. And because it is only intense suffering that can make you lot change. So when we have the inevitable crisis in our public health system, those of us that can afford private care will sit on the sidelines and laugh at you.

Nonsense.

Any doctor that wants to go can go Biko they won't be missed. There are tens of thousands of young brilliant doctors that are waiting to take their positions.

Majority of Nigerians nearly 85% only suffer typhoid n malaria in d last 10yrs n kws d drug to take n don't need a doctor. Besides d church is available for divine healing.

Let them go to hell, they won't be missed. We won't notice their absence.

missyadorable:
So after relocating to paradise ,you are writing epistles to discourage others from joining you.
Kolewerk!
PLAB, USMLE and other foreign exams on point.

Nigeria doesn't need medical doctors.
After all nobody even appreciates them.
Patients and other health workers including cleaners are fighting them.

I implore every medical doctor to gather resources and leave this country...
God bless you.
I am a lawyer and I am on my way out already.
See you in paradise

Good luck o lawyer, doctors dey Comot you see want Comot, to go do Wetin? You want employ you for countries wey awyer full, with your accent den go just dey convict your few clients, both judge and jury go just dey look you like say nah Greek you dey speak.

Ekitiparapo:
Everyone keeps shouting doctors are leaving Nigeria for greener pastures, nurses are also leaving the country also and writing foreign professional exams like N clex, CG FNS, let's the doctor stop the foul cry, whoever wants to leave should go

oh plz don't start another johesu fight Biko.
Leave them let them go.
Yes Nursing is a sought after profession abroad but this is an mbbs thread .
Let them be

mfm04622:


Myopic!

How many doctors do all Nigerian universities train in a year? How many are leaving every year? We are approaching the point where only those who can't pass their certification exams to practice abroad will be left to take care of us in the country.

Dont worry let them go

Native doctor dey
Pastors dey for divine healing
Herbal medicine dey

Britishcoins:
Let them go now, we have native doctors.
They will take over the mantle of health sectors.
On a serious note thanks almighty God for my health, I can't even remember when last I took injection.
Oh I remember that 21 years ago, during children immunizations.
Glory to God for my health..

Nigeria is in big trouble. Just look at how a grown up person is still reasoning in this 21st century. Chai!!!.

rentAcock:
Na so. They think it is that easy. All the gra gra of getting a visa alone will discourage many. How about my church member who was a doctor in Nigeria? The guy sold his house and traveled to the US with his family over 16 years ago, only to hear that he has given up on his dream of practicing as a medical doctor in the states and has settled for menial jobs like nursing assistant. People are lured by the nice salary doctors earn overseas like how some doctors earn over $200,000 a year and with specialty that number balloons to over $300,000. What they don't realize is how difficult it is to get residency. So many American trained medical students are even finding it difficult to get residency let alone foreigners. Moreover, they sometimes require them to take some other exams or fufill a course requirement which many fail to accomplish.

If these doctors are threatening to leave the country, they should let them, after all, there are many students praying to gain admission for medicine to replace them.

Your type will never take up an uncertain challenges due to fear of failure..
U said u know about ur church member that failed to realise his dream, lemme tell you my two blood sisters are now nurses abroad, one in Germany, if you know what it takes to obtain a German language certificate talk more of practicing but she made it as the only African nurse in her district, second one is still completing her studies in USA, then I know two Doctors in USA lavishly living their dreams..

Ur church member might not actually actualize his dream but believe me atleast his giving his children the live and the level playing ground in the world stage while u sit here n consider him failure..

Everytime we want to leave,
Leave they no leave.
As if they are the only profession being sought after abroad..
Mtcheeew.

missyadorable:
So after relocating to paradise ,you are writing epistles to discourage others from joining you.
Kolewerk!
PLAB, USMLE and other foreign exams on point.

Nigeria doesn't need medical doctors.
After all nobody even appreciates them.
Patients and other health workers including cleaners are fighting them.

I implore every medical doctor to gather resources and leave this country...
God bless you.
I am a lawyer and I am on my way out already.
See you in paradise

Aunty lawyer, how many countries abroad have we heard that are looking for lawyers to immigrate?
In your mind, we proud johesu professionals are fighting doctors?
When we go on strike, is it against doctors or against government?
Get your facts right.
BTW Nurses are far more sought after abroad than lawyers because I have not heard about Nigerian lawyers being wooed by foreign countries.
Don't overrate yourselves.
Thanks.
.
ORIAKU AMARA
proud daughter of Florence Nightingale

missyadorable:


Sorry, I don't contact internet men.
Nothing but bunches of f****k boys

These are the kinds of lawyers probably handling Kizz Daniel's brief. (All due respect to the hardworking cool dude). People like these most often are less endowed in the oblongata region and have for shoulder pads what should be for mental strength and moral balance.

if only the health sector is working well, they won't all want to run out, imagine a situation where your own life is at risk just because you want to save others...
imagine a situation where the same doctor will be on call from morning till night...ah ah
it's a pity we are like this and government officials don't care

rentAcock:
Na so. They think it is that easy. All the gra gra of getting a visa alone will discourage many. How about my church member who was a doctor in Nigeria? The guy sold his house and traveled to the US with his family over 16 years ago, only to hear that he has given up on his dream of practicing as a medical doctor in the states and has settled for menial jobs like nursing assistant. People are lured by the nice salary doctors earn overseas like how some doctors earn over $200,000 a year and with specialty that number balloons to over $300,000. What they don't realize is how difficult it is to get residency. So many American trained medical students are even finding it difficult to get residency let alone foreigners. Moreover, they sometimes require them to take some other exams or fufill a course requirement which many fail to accomplish.

If these doctors are threatening to leave the country, they should let them, after all, there are many students praying to gain admission for medicine to replace them.

Who is going to impact knowledge on the upcoming ones, it's not a practice make perfect venture or trial n error venture,someone has to put u through that's d big issue.oyibo call it brain drain.

Jayloy:
I am apologising on behalf of this stupid doctor, Olufunmilayo that wrote this article with an intent of hate in a bid to prevent his fellow doctors from practicing in a saner clime like him. If he is so patriotic why is he not in Nigeria.
I am also apologising to Nigerians who feel that doctors make too much noise about their leaving. The truth is most of us who are planning to leave don't even loud it and we are so mad at this Dr Olufunmilayo of a guy. Who send am message. Now people are thinking we are sounding like a loud bass.
Nigerians don't worry, you will have doctors to treat you and you won't notice the doctors exit as you'll have new graduate from medical schools, JOHESU members and quacks parading as doctors readily available.
And to many NHS doctors in view, let your soul rejoice as you stand a good chance of treating Buhari when he next visits. The door as been thrown wide open to more non EU doctors. Just write IELTS, PLAB 1 and PLAB 2 and Issagoal.
I'm already learning to say, "God bless the Queen"

Very true. Most don't loud it at all. Up to 6 residents left a facility I worked for. And they weren't even acting as if they were planning on anything. Doctors don't threaten to leave but leave. Work 2yrs in UK and u can Migrate to Australia or Canada and experience the new world.

U can imagine the impact the hospital felt losing 6 experienced residents and shopping for 6 more. First the Doctor patient relationship is affected, then also some of the best brains are lost.

EVILFOREST:

I couldn't wait to read through your entire write up.
A NIGERIAN MEDICAL DOCTOR working as a NURSE assistant is even better paid, more secured and also has a better future for his kids than your LOCAL GOVERNMENT CHAIRMAN and the CMDs of Federal teaching Hospitals, provided the CMD doesn't loot public funds.
Imagine when such now works as a medical doctor, he is.

Have you ever asked someone what the MINIMUM WAGE of the USA is like..??
Don't always rush to type, verify things OK.
U sound like a GRADUATE as well as a sound one....try and verify why people seek to be in the US.

THANK U

There's nothing to verify with anyone, I know what i'm talking about. The highest paid nursing assistants or nursing attendants are in the north eastern states of new york and new jersey, average starting pay is between $11 - $17. Federal minimum wage is $7.25, varies by state. Let's assume a nursing assistant earns $400 every week, after federal tax, state tax, city tax, medicare tax, medicaid tax and disability tax have been deducted, they could be left with $290 or around N100,000 a week or N400,000 a month. Wow! big money! how many bankers take home 400k a month, but here's where it gets tricky. Average monthly rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto parts of new york for example where my church member lives is $1100 or N400,000. Whoa, 400k already gone and we haven't even talked about monthly electricity bills that averages $250 or N90,000. We haven't accounted for telephone bill of maybe $50 or N18,000 a month. How about transportation cost? woe betide you if you own a car, your monthly insurance can range from $150 - $600 or N54,000 - N216,000. Of course most people can't afford the high insurance so they use metrocards, which costs about $120 or N43,000 a month. We haven't even talked about food, clothing, health insurance if your employer doesn't provide you one.

Remember they also pay tax for everything, so after the government has deducted income tax and all sort of taxes, when you buy biscuit, you still pay sales tax of 9%. When you factor in all the expense, you will now understand why i said my church member who was a doctor in Nigeria was probably better off in Nigeria than settling for nursing assistant job in America. You go from a job of high prestige to one where you are cleaning old folks butt, bathing them and dealing with all manners of insult all because you want to live in America? Don't just look at minimum wage, you cannot raise a family in America solely on minimum wage, most of these guys have several jobs. Its like they just pay rent for the sake of having an address, many of them hop from one job to another allowing only a few hours for sleep in between.

Grupo:
It's high time doctors stopped blackmailing Nigerians. If they want to leave, let them leave abeg. After all, their presence is not being felt by the Nigeria populace.

Many of them thought medicine was a poverty alleviation program only for them to graduate to realize that doctors don't earn much. Now, they want to run to places where people who only have passion study medicine. No one is saying they should not leave. Let them do it quietly and stop all the buzz. It's beginning to seem like they are subtly using the migration threat to press for something else.

In Nigeria today, almost everyone is leaving. Almost all the good tech guys I know in Lagos have left. These days, to see a good "common front end developer" is very hard.

Nobody is being paid well in Nigeria, so doctors should shut the Bleep up or leave once and for all. This blackmail is getting out of hand.

Spot on

To think an idiotic naija doctor in UK is d one writing this nonsense only shows they have another agenda.

Doctors can leave to Iraq for all I care they won't be missed, every professional is moving too. Making unnecessary noise about it is irritating

More disaster is more to come on this current curse govt. as i said earlier and someone thought I was joking. The change we are shouting here and there is not real change but chain in their ocultic kingdom. They really want to chain us until they islamize us. God please do something for us your children before is too late

See this is the unnecessary arrogance and superiority complex people complain that doctors have. SO MANY intelligent people from different professions have left Nigeria or are planning to leave but somehow doctors feel the world must stop when it comes to their case.

Biko look at those hundreds of people passing illegal route from Libya to Italy everyday they are trying to escape the hellhole called Nigeria. Many engineers and IT experts and nurses whose contributions would have been very valuable in this country are leaving for greener pastures and they don't make noise or are Nigerian Doctors in their usual fashion assuming that these people's skills and professional know how is less valuable than that of Doctors?

Abeg make we hear word, I have been reading from beginning of the thread to see how hard they are trying to make everyone panic over their exodus.

It's just hilarious.

oludyke:
Nigeria is in big problem” – UK-based Nigerian doctor warns
herald.ng Jun 15, 2018 11:18 AM

A UK-based Nigerian doctor, Dr Harvey Olufunmilayo, has decried the huge number of Nigerian doctors seeking greener pastures abroad.

Olufunmilayo, who practises in Leeds, said about 1,000 Nigerian doctors passed the Plab1 exam in March 2018 to enable them practice in the UK.

The Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) had in January 2018 said that there were 4,000 patients to one doctor in Nigeria, describing the trend as unacceptable.

Olufunmilayo, who took to his Twitter handle, explained that four million Nigerian patients would be denied access to a doctor should the 1,000 doctors leave Nigerian shores.

He said, “In March, about 1,500 doctors wrote the Plab1 exam to work in the UK and about 1,000 passed. In a country that 1 doctor cares for about 4,000 patients; losing 1,000 doctors means 4million Nigerians will find it harder to see a doctor. We are playing with fire as a nation.

“Remember this analysis is based solely on the March 2018 Plab Exams alone. The same exam is written twice a year in Nigeria. And with more hardship, more doctors will be writing by November 2018. And we are yet to talk of those going to other countries like USA or Canada.

“We have a big problem on our hands. There is a big fire burning and everyone is looking away thinking all is well. We largely have under-equipped hospitals with underpaid/overworked staff and overpopulated patients. Now with more health professionals’ exit, what will happen?

“Have we decided that we will wait till our hospitals turn to museums with antique outdated equipments that has no professional to utilise them for sick and dying patients before we realise the grave danger associated with this continuous exit of medical workers from the country?

“I was having a chat with a younger colleague friend preparing for the exam. She’s part of a WhatsApp group that is already full to the brim – with 256 doctors preparing to take the same exams to leave the country. And she said she knows at least 2 of such full groups. Oh Lord!

“My people, let’s be clear – doctors are working on their exit on a daily basis. This fire we are ignoring, when it burns, and it wil, no one will be spared. Even if you are rich, even if you are powerful, someone you know will fall victim of this same health sector you are destroying.

“And as I stated earlier, 1 Nigerian doctor should take care of 4000 Nigerians. Losing 1,000 doctors (based on the March 2018 Plab UK exams alone) is effectively making it extremely difficult for 4 million Nigerians to see a doctor. How are you in government and comfortable with this?

“And if you are a government official and you are thinking you have the money and/or the means to always take care of yourself or your family in some overseas country if you fall sick, then let me explain to you why that reasoning is retarded and very daft. Because sadly, it really is.

“There are medical calamities that befall a person and requires immediate intervention. If you have a sudden heart attack or a serious stroke or severe sepsis, such an emergency can’t wait for you to get on a private jet. You will be taken to the same hospitals that you ruined.

“I don’t need to mention names but many government officials have also been rushed to the same under-equipped hospitals with underpaid unmotivated staff, and those your colleagues in government died from things that could be easily prevented IF you ever paid any attention to the health sector.”

https://www.herald.ng/nigeria-is-in-big-problem-uk-based-nigerian-doctor-warns/

This exactly what I my aunt who's a medical doctor told me. The rate doc are leaving Nigeria is surprising. Even professionals are leaving.

Nigerians don't need doctors. We have our pastors!