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Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 8:11pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
budaatum:stop quoting me off point |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 8:13pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
budaatum:that request is not tenable...and I gave reasons...will you read up.....even my reasons were objective enough. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by TOSIN116: 8:30pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
johnydon22:You that understand how does it work? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by awesomeJ(m): 8:18am On Jul 30, 2018 |
Seun:Divide 1 by 7 billion, what do you get? zero right?. That's how insignificant you are. Who cares whether or not you're convinced? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 9:26am On Jul 30, 2018 |
awesomeJ: Argumentum ad populum |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 7:22pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
vaxx:It's not tenable for you! I, myself, gave what would convince me that God exists. And I went on to state how the evidence that would convince me would be mocked and ridiculed by others. But this would not be the first time you call what is subject to you, objective to everyone, I guess, so I shouldn't be surprised. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 7:44pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
budaatum:budaatum always make his case like a victim of a negative circumstances... 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 10:28pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
vaxx:It is amusing how you can't see yourself in your very own description of others. I do wonder what the source of your pains is. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 6:29am On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol.....i guess I just pin it where it most hurtful....am sorry dear. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Holuwaferanmi(m): 7:30am On Jul 31, 2018 |
Seun: Stars are suns tho |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Anas09: 7:41am On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:Buda, there was this book you sent to me once "Heaven and Hell", can you pls resend it? I deleted it by mistake. I'll appreciate if you can. Thanks. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 8:05am On Jul 31, 2018 |
Anas09: budaatum: |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 9:43am On Jul 31, 2018 |
Holuwaferanmi:More correctly, the sun is a star |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 9:44am On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:What is the book about? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Holuwaferanmi(m): 10:10am On Jul 31, 2018 |
johnydon22: yeah my bad , i just wondered how stars that are very distant from each other will be arranged to complete the task Mr seun Stated |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Anas09: 10:27am On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:Okay, thanks. i appreciate. Top of the day to you. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 10:43am On Jul 31, 2018 |
Holuwaferanmi: The maker of such system could easily do it. We are very tiny creatures and thus the creator of the cosmos will be at least not as small as we are in contrast to the comsos. At least big enough or powerful enough to alter anything he wants. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 4:33pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
johnydon22: Heaven and Hell is the common English title of a book written by Emanuel Swedenborg in Latin, published in 1758. The full title is Heaven and its Wonders and Hell From Things Heard and Seen, or, in Latin: De Caelo et Eius Mirabilibus et de inferno, ex Auditis et Visis. It gives a detailed description of the afterlife, how people live after the death of the physical body. The book owes its appeal to that subject matter. Some of the things he claims to have experienced are that there are Jews, Muslims and people of pre-Christian times ("pagans" such as Romans and Greeks) in Heaven. He says he spoke to married angel couples from the Golden Age who had been happy in heaven for thousands of years. The fundamental issue of life, he says, is that love of self or of the world drives one towards Hell, and love of God and of fellow beings drives one towards Heaven. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_and_Hell_%28Swedenborg%29?wprov=sfla1]Wiki[/url] Note that last sentence 22. Doesn't it sound like the Four Noble Truths? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 4:36pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
johnydon22:Is there anything like an Argumentum ad stupidity? I come across it often but never know the Latin with which to describe it. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 4:53pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:If you were smart, you would discuss -- not argue. The people you are "arguing" with are not stupid, they are ill-informed on a topic that you are familiar with or apparently hold a different viewpoint. Any distress you encounter trying to impart information or change their minds is your responsibility. Therefore, you either take the emotion out of the discussion and attempt to inform the person or you decline to participate. This is why I said you always sound like a victim of s negative circumstances. It is not meant to offend you but to pass my subjective judgement. Anyway you still remain my lovely intelligent online friend. Agumentum ad stultus that is the Latin word but my advise don't use it on your fellow human. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 5:20pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
vaxx: You really are funny. Go through our last, and in fact, every discussion you and I have ever had to see who could not resist putting emotion into the discussion! Or would you claim the following are not clear enough examples of emotive arguing, rather pointlessly, and not discussing? vaxx: vaxx: I'm not smart vaxx. O but for the grace of God go I. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 5:25pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
Thank you, whoever it was who liked this and by so doing, reminded me where I had said what I seem to be repeating often! budaatum: |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 5:28pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
vaxx:Doesn't quite get the sentiment I'm after but thanks all the same. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 5:32pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol . Budaatum you are way smarter ,it is just an illustration. For you to know I acknowledged your superior intelligence I officially pronounce you a bhikkhu of Buddhist community. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 5:34pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:you are always welcome. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 6:08pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
vaxx:I'm going to come over there and bhikkhu your butt vaxx! You set up these strawman arguments just so you can attempt to trap me in a "Thousand Flowers Fallacy", then you accuse me of having pain? Of course I have pain when you refuse to use the intelligent brain I know resides inside that skull of yours! Or do you not see how I hardly bother with the ape?! It's good though. Like I said, you get me to learn and relearn stuff, and as I've said in response to winner01, it's how we move forward and evolve. I just wish you'd be more intellectually honest, but I know I can't always get what I want. We should be mindful that other people read what we write and not misrepresent ourselves because of our egotistical tanhaic desire to seem right when we are wrong. As you yourself said, "people are not stupid". They see right through the rhetoric. Anyway, I found a comprehensive list of fallacies worth considering and posted a link to them here. It seems logical fallacies have some stupid in them all. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 6:46pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
budaatum:I myself is a big fan of Buddha philosophy.....though not in agreement with some of the teaching.... I said the thread is a brain exercise and nothing more to it. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 10:35pm On Jul 31, 2018 |
vaxx:Buddhism itself is a brain exercise and some. If you think it impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, try Zen for a complete head fuq. The only comparable understanding in Christianity is Gnosticism ("out of Egypt I called my Son" ), and Sufism in Islam. But it would appear our current Nigerian understanding is rather fundamental - the form that places 'belief' above all else, and which leads to ignorance. I guess it is as Christ said in response to the query from John, "the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and to the poor the Gift of God is given". bav While many might claim the Spiritual is meant, they have not had spat on mud rubbed in their eyes so they cannot see and receive the Gift, despite their claim to have been born again. Perhaps there's just no 'poor' amongst us. There is, indeed, hope for us yet. The Kingdom of God full of people with power and grace is being built one mind at a time. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by vaxx: 12:44am On Aug 01, 2018 |
budaatum:I bet, you have never dive into an Islamic theology called mutazila.....read about thier philosophical stand and weight it with Buddha philosophy. you will be astonished. Sufism is too full of mysticism and flamboyant rituals.i am very skeptical about the Idea just like contemporary Atr. As for Gnosticism ,little of her literature has survived. as she brought down upon herself the animosity of the early Christian Church, and when this institution reached its position of world power it destroyed all available records of the Gnostic cultus. So some of her idea require more works from original source which is no where to be found. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 11:31am On Aug 01, 2018 |
vaxx:Mu'tazilah is the more rational arm of Islam. And if I were mentioning atheistic versions, it would be one of the first on my list (if I'd remembered it that is, which I didn't, so thanks for reminding me). As an atheist, I do have the tendency to strip away mystic and rituals which have a tendency to blind the sense in which they can be true. That's how I can see sense in religious texts. It all boils down to how one looks at things, one's subjective perception, and the objective meanings one derives from them. Below is an extract from a modern version of The Holy Book of Mu'tazilah Since the prophet Mohammed recognized the prophets before him, True Islam should quote not just from the Koran but also the Christian and Jewish books. The Golden Rule falls short of some people's desire to live in a more mystical world. And this is where Perennial Tradition comes in (in its atheist form), and its religious versions include Judaism (Kabbalah), Esoteric Christianity, Sufi Islam, Zen Buddhism and Taoism. It is this mystical version of Islam, Sufism, that was the glory days of Islam. To those interested in Ecumenism, this is the interpretation of the Koran that needs to be revived. That should then cover the whole world. The mystical version of religion is maintained via Sufism, but we still have our brain above even Sufism, as per Mu'tazilah, as it is important that we don't assume God did something-or-other when the more likely explanation is science-based. Regarding Gnosticism, every tiny scrap of paper in existence is like gold. You just see the gods in every single word sometimes and any writing can be read gnostically, even Alice Through the Looking Glass. After all, everything was created by words. Very good training for the mind, I daresay. But its not the texts that really matter, not in any religion, since they are just desires, the finger, and not the moon. Thanks for the education. Do you see how much better it is than quibbling over different sorts of desires. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Evangkatsoulis: 11:50am On Aug 01, 2018 |
Seun: What language would the "I AM GOD: I EXIST" be arranged in? And how do you know if the everyday arrangement of stars spells "I AM GOD: I EXIST" in ancient languages long forgotten and that it's english equivalent is not a possible arrangement? Again, why 5 minutes? Shebi the light we see from stars are from thousands or millions of years ago? Wouldn't that mean that God would be answering the prayers of someone millions of years ago? And if I may ask, how does star arrangement prove that a transcendental being created the universe? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 2:20pm On Aug 01, 2018 |
Evangkatsoulis:Another vaxx like question! vaxx:Is the "you" in the topic of the thread very small or something? I would like people to consider that perhaps the people you pose this question to are of very superior minds that the sort of evidence they claim they require is sufficient for them though it might not convince anyone else. It could also be that the responders are of inferior minds and that is the reasons that the evidence they request is what would do it. Either ways, that's the evidence the responders require, and to claim that God can't do what they request is a limitation of God, first for creating them with superior, or inferior minds; and second, in not being able to achieve what is being demanded as evidence, as absurd or ridiculous as those demands might be. God should not have created them in the way they are to begin with if it didn't want them to ask for such evidence. I am changing my mind. The evidence that I require is that God give me the entire land space on Mars and Jupiter and transport me to the year 9018! If God does that, please note everyone, There is God O. For me! And don't take my word for it. There are other planets. |
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