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Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 3:21am On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero:yes abroad. you still haven't told me how separation is there in Nigeria where you open a clinic and put one ND holder in charge of the pharmacy. it's not a crime for one ND holder to be in charge of your Pharmacy but it's a crime for the pharmacist to prescribe!!! that was why I raised that issue in the post you quoted |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 4:47am On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero:Are you aware that pharmacists also specialize in areas such as O$G, Psychiatry, cardiology,nephrology etc Ever heard about prescribing pharmacists |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 9:06am On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: thank God ur problem remain the ishh of doctor and pharmacist work descriptions.... so let me now ask u since u wana know more than international standard procedure, even a pharmacist will not say that coz they known their limit Oya u differentiate between Med Doctor and pharmacist |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 11:19am On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:in the normal hospital setting (in developed countries) the doctor prescribes and the pharmacist will advice further on whether the prescription can fly or not. the pharmacist holds the power to change the prescription based on availability of the medication, condition of the patient (in which case the pharmacist will have to talk to the doctor to remind him of oversights) and dosage mistakes. the question is how many hospitals/clinics in Nigeria employ qualified pharmacists that can do what I wrote up there? the truth remains that the pharmacist knows more about drugs/medicaments than the doctor!!! while you spend 5 out of 6yrs doing anatomy, histology, parasitology, biochemistry, physiology and other non drug components of your program the pharmacist spends 4 out of 5yrs concentrating on everything drugs alone!!! you as a doctor will not do pharmacognosy, pharmaceutics, pharmaceutical chemistry, clinical pharmacy. yet you want to claim you have more knowledge about drugs when you only do 1/5 of the department under drug/medicament study (Pharmacy). summary of my argument in Nigeria 1.) Doctors open clinics without employing qualified pharmacist to perform their essential duty as stated at the beginning of this post. 2.) pharmacists open their stores and sell prescription only medicines without waiting for a doctor to write. 3.) NPF, NDLEA, etc don't arrest people for 1&2 above 4.) the pharmacist by training knows MORE about drugs than the medical doctor in NIGERIA |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 11:50am On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: guy like I said earlier, u have problem simple question I asked u coz ur argument since are incoherent and shows u dont understand the job description of who is a physician and a pharmacist... go and sort out the difference from each professionals then come back let us talk, mind u, am a Medic who knows rudiments , with ur write up, am ure ure not in anyway studying anything related to health science.., u dont even know courses offered in medical school let alone the real reason why we study those courses... Wen a doctor prescribe paracetamol and the pharmacist give u panadol, u call that change , ur ignorance is graded. mind u all the things u think about pharmacist, they themselves never claim they can, u just spill gibberish.. biko going meet any pharmacist to tell u what pharmacy entails.. u re talking hear say.. goodluck |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 11:53am On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: guy like I said earlier, u have problem simple question I asked u coz ur argument since are incoherent and shows u dont understand the job description of who is a physician and a pharmacist... go and sort out the difference from each professionals then come back let us talk, mind u, am a Medic who knows rudiments , with ur write up, am ure ure not in anyway studying anything related to health science.., u dont even know courses offered in medical school let alone the real reason why we study those courses... Wen a doctor prescribe paracetamol and the pharmacist give u panadol, u call that change , ur ignorance is graded. mind u all the things u think about pharmacist, they themselves never claim they can, u just spill gibberish.. biko going meet any pharmacist to tell u what pharmacy entails.. u re talking hear say.. or rather, google is ur friend, dont worry I won't ask u the source of ur initial claim cox am sure u got them from a local village where chemist looks like hospital: D as per we doing 1/5 of pharmacy courses, whatever, we studied the one needed by our patient, producing it is pharmacy headache but using it is the doctors niche, no pharmaciat will tell u they know pharmacology workfunctions than a doctor as far as human ia concern.. or rather call up ur Doctor of pharmacy, to come up with the claim here and i ll call up my senior which am sure they ll gladly respond.. for ur info, weve done it here before which they bleeped up, am now wondering where u are coming from.. we talked about diagnosis, nobody on health knows it like the doctor, abi na pharm wey no sabi diagnos go preacribe for u.. nawa for ur ignorance o.. do u think we are talking of malaria here ni.. still warming up to start my path and pharm class like seriously warming up to challenge ur pharm and johesu likes..then wont need to call seniors again coz then i ll on point. oya take this home .. A patient came to ur consulting room with a swollen redish eye , serious headche , general weakness complaint of paralysis of some body part.. as a pharmaciat warrior, whats ur diagnos and drug to give him... goodluck |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 12:04pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:you are a clown. you just don't want to admit the pharmacist by training knows more about drugs than the medical doctor. enjoy your ignorance |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 12:07pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:did I use the panadol and paracetamol example? so why are you crediting it to me? you are just plain dumb for crediting a comparison I didn't make to me. 1 Like |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 12:16pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: I mpdified the post, recheck again, still u keep displaying ignorance publicly, u talking to a Medic guy, keep on ridiculing urself Does producing car make u a good driver who will take u on a long journey, ?? no , it takes someone who has gone to driving school, licensed to do so.. u dey craze ni, |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 12:18pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: guy like I said earlier, u have problem simple question I asked u coz ur argument since are incoherent and shows u dont understand the job description of who is a physician and a pharmacist... go and sort out the difference from each professionals then come back let us talk, mind u, am a Medic who knows rudiments , with ur write up, am ure ure not in anyway studying anything related to health science.., u dont even know courses offered in medical school let alone the real reason why we study those courses... Wen a doctor prescribe paracetamol and the pharmacist give u panadol, u call that change , ur ignorance is graded. mind u all the things u think about pharmacist, they themselves never claim they can, u just spill gibberish.. biko going meet any pharmacist to tell u what pharmacy entails.. u re talking hear say.. or rather, google is ur friend, dont worry I won't ask u the source of ur initial claim cox am sure u got them from a local village where chemist looks like hospital: D as per we doing 1/5 of pharmacy courses, whatever, we studied the one needed by our patient, producing it is pharmacy headache but using it is the doctors niche, no pharmaciat will tell u they know pharmacology workfunctions than a doctor as far as human ia concern.. or rather call up ur Doctor of pharmacy, to come up with the claim here and i ll call up my senior which am sure they ll gladly respond.. for ur info, weve done it here before which they bleeped up, am now wondering where u are coming from.. we talked about diagnosis, nobody on health knows it like the doctor, abi na pharm wey no sabi diagnos go preacribe for u.. nawa for ur ignorance o.. do u think we are talking of malaria here ni.. still warming up to start my path and pharm class like seriously warming up to challenge ur pharm and johesu likes..then wont need to call seniors again coz then i ll on point. oya take this home .. A patient came to ur consulting room with a swollen redish eye , serious headche , general weakness complaint of paralysis of some body part.. as a pharmaciat warrior, whats ur diagnos and drug to give him... goodluck |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 12:40pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:lol Mr medic guy enjoy your ignorance. I'm done with you 1 Like |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 12:40pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:refer to the post above this Mr medic guy |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 2:12pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone:ah, so am now the ignorant one .. , fool will always think the wise ones are foolish yea, am the medic guy..yes o, proud to b one jare U? maybe am the fool here or u, either way, people are reading our comment and they know who is ignorant .. next time before u start talk, make sure u hold ur fact well, u ll b fine shallom |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by capitalzero: 2:55pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jman06: provide your links. we are not interested in half truth. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 3:07pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero: brother leave that nonentity alone before he ll tell u their are pharmacist who specialize in surgery . |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by IFEOLUWAKRIZ: 3:08pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
arrestdarrester: "But"? wrong usage of "but" here,sir. "But" is used to negate two clauses. One out of its numerous functions. You don't need to include it here,sir. When I checked last, you were the one that insulted me first. Nobody is an authority in any language. Even one's native language, one cannot boast of being an authority in it. You insulted someone first just because of a perceived error in his comment instead of pointing out the person's mistake politely whereas, your comments are replete with cheap bloopers that even a toddler no go fee make. Define plagiarism, sir. What makes one guilty of it? kukuma answer me and I will use your comment to 'nail you down' John%Ifeoluwakriz. Be nice next time, sir. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jaideyone(m): 4:11pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:I don't need to play your dumb games. I could as well give you a list of symptoms and tell you to do a diagnosis. the issue is how does someone that spent 5yrs studying drugs alone still not know much about it like the guy the guy who spent six years concentrating on other areas. your argument defies logic and has betrayed your IQ. there's no point talking again if you won't explain why you feel the doctor knows more about drugs. after this no more response!!! |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 4:26pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero:I'll only advise you to visit www.accp.com/career and get yourself informed. Anybody with a smart phone can easily do a google search and get information on specialist clinical pharmacists and prescribing pharmacists. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 4:34pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jaideyone: daft abi na ignorant, the 5 years of study na to produce drug, added pharmacology.. medic studied medicine and surgery.. drug na just part of medicine, nothing concern us with the production as far as patient is concern, abi u don see where doctor refer patient to pharmacist before ni, but they do wella, does car manufacturer makes them the best driver am getting pissed with ur illiteracy.. u shouldnt question me whether because they produce drug makes them knows drug more than doctor , querry international/ WHO that restrict there prescription... |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by arrestdarrester: 4:34pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
IFEOLUWAKRIZ: Sir? Did you just say sir? Oh! You discovered your stupidity after all. Sorry, we can't relate. You have that character flaw to take care of. I wish you the best while you work on it Chris. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by danilmo: 4:37pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jman06: guy which kind of useless website is this , my friend give me valid web address and stop poking nose .. all this doctor wanaB .. get jamb form and enter, stop poking nose through backyard .. mtchh...no wonder they always hook |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 4:40pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:Fool! I'm just happy the way some of you are exposing your ignorance on this public forum for every informed person to see. I'll not dignify you lots with further response. We are in the era where anybody can easily get any information by simply doing a google search. Anybody with a smart phone can easily google the roles of specialist clinical pharmacists or pharmacist prescribers. Simpletons like you will continue to argue blindly while smart ones would search for facts and learn. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 4:52pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
danilmo:If you call the official website of the American college of clinical pharmacists useless then I'll not argue further with you because you obviously don't just want to be informed. For your information, I chose pharmacy in my direct entry not because I couldn't gain admission to medicine but because I prefer pharmacy. In my post UDE exam, I scored higher than the cut off point for medicine. Need i inform you that I also enrolled with a 2-1 in biochemistry. I'll choose pharmacy over medicine anytime I'm asked to choose. Thank you! |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by capitalzero: 5:05pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jman06: where did you see o and g, nephrology , cardiology. Most of your info are half truths. clinical pharmacy is a branch of pharmacy. from your link,Board of Pharmacy Specialties (BPS) currently recognizes the following eight specialty practice areas: Ambulatory Care Pharmacy Critical Care Pharmacy Nuclear Pharmacy Nutrition Support Pharmacy Oncology Pharmacy Pediatric Pharmacy Pharmacotherapy Psychiatric Pharmacy of pharmacy. what are duties of clinical pharmacists? to prescribe? no. What is a clinical pharmacist? Clinical pharmacists work directly with physicians, other health professionals, and patients to ensure that the medications prescribed for patients contribute to the best possible health outcomes. Clinical pharmacists practice in health care settings where they have frequent and regular interactions with physicians and other health professionals, contributing to better coordination of care. Clinical pharmacists are educated and trained in many direct patient care environments, including medical centers, clinics, and a variety of other health care settings. Clinical pharmacists are frequently granted patient care privileges by collaborating physicians and/or health systems that allow them to perform a full range of medication decision-making functions as part of the patient’s health care team. These privileges are granted on the basis of the clinical pharmacist’s demonstrated knowledge of medication therapy and record of clinical experience. This specialized knowledge and clinical experience is usually gained through residency training and specialist board certification. What do clinical pharmacists do? Clinical pharmacists: Assess the status of the patient’s health problems and determine whether the prescribed medications are optimally meeting the patient’s needs and goals of care. Evaluate the appropriateness and effectiveness of the patient’s medications. Recognize untreated health problems that could be improved or resolved with appropriate medication therapy. Follow the patient’s progress to determine the effects of the patient’s medications on his or her health. Consult with the patient’s physicians and other health care providers in selecting the medication therapy that best meets the patient’s needs and contributes effectively to the overall therapy goals. Advise the patient on how to best take his or her medications. Support the health care team’s efforts to educate the patient on other important steps to improve or maintain health, such as exercise, diet, and preventive steps like immunization. Refer the patient to his or her physician or other health professionals to address specific health, wellness, or social services concerns as they arise. How do clinical pharmacists care for patients? Clinical pharmacists: Provide a consistent process of patient care that ensures the appropriateness, effectiveness, and safety of the patient’s medication use. Consult with the patient’s physicians and other health care providers to develop and implement a medication plan that can meet the overall goals of patient care established by the health care team. Apply specialized knowledge of the scientific and clinical use of medications, including medication action, dosing, adverse effects, and drug interactions, in performing their patient care activities in collaboration with other members of the health care team. Call on their clinical experience to solve health problems through the rational use of medications. Rely on their professional relationships with patients to tailor their advice to best meet individual patient needs and desires. source:accp |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by IFEOLUWAKRIZ: 5:23pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
arrestdarrester:Errors still dey this your comment o! Is it that you cannot construct at least a sentence devoid of errors? Sir,please challenge me to point them out! Migraine-inducing errors! Haha. Why are you entertaining surprise that I addressed you as 'sir'? No wonder! It's an established fact that your level of asininity is second to none! The fact that people around you have never addressed you as 'sir' speaks volume of your humongous and elephantine fatuousness and tomfoolery.I'm sorry to announce,there is no panacea for your top-notch asininity. Low life idiot,oya channel your frustrated life on a more yielding project. Common sense is not common again. I wish you the best while you work on your comments that are replete with bloopers and errors and more important, your dysfunctional and dead sense too. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by arrestdarrester: 5:31pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
IFEOLUWAKRIZ: Bring some more. Spew out all you've got boy |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 5:33pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero:I believe the specialties above where the ones available at the time the publication was made. More specialties have been added to the list. visit the site below for more info. www.bpsweb.org and click on BPS specialties to learn more. on prescribing pharmacists, check out this: https://www.pharmacyregulation.org/education/pharmacist-independent-prescriber NB: The goal is not to take the jobs of the physician but to assist in optimizing patient care . The physician makes the diagnosis and consults the pharmacists on matters related to drugs. At the end the patient gets the best care at good cost. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by capitalzero: 6:54pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jman06:duty of clinical pharmacists is not to prescribe drugs just as we outlined previously. there are clinical programme designed for pharmacists who want to prescribe. primary duty of pharmacists is not prescription of drugs and clinical care just as primary role of physicians is not dispensing of medications. of courses physicians do dispense drugs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician_dispensing. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by Jman06(m): 7:14pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
capitalzero:At least you now agree that a pharmacist prescribes! Going through your link - though not clear, what i can deduce is that "physician dispensing" is just the right of the physician to administer dispensed drugs to the patient at the bedside by means of injections. It is different from ethical dispensing! |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by capitalzero: 8:48pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Jman06:I never say pharmacists cannot prescribe. But which drugs? even chew,nurse, physiotherapist, optometrists, etc may prescribe. But which drugs and but whom authority? I repeat, prescription rights for other health workers are not their traditional roles but expanded roles and it is only medical council and moh that can allow them to do so legally. to learn more about prescription drugs check http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Jwhozip23e/5.4.html for decades,physicians have been dispensing drugs in their clinics and hospitals legally but they cannot open pharmacy shops. 1 Like |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by NnaemekaJude(m): 9:25pm On Dec 27, 2018 |
Last year we invited Prof. A.B.O of Babcock university to be our guest speaker for our Anatomy week. It was wonderful. When this same issue was raised, I can still recall some of his answer, not verbatim though. He said there is no point dissolving non-medically qualified anatomists from teaching medical students, reason being that they had had years of experience in anatomy and had researched and written many papers in the field... He even went on to say that 'non-medically qualified anatomist know the anatomy more than the medically qualified ones'. He said "Mediically qualified anatomist" refer to people who had M.B.B.S before continuing in the field of anatomy. I don't quite agree with him, he overgeneralized. He studied medicine before turning into a full anatomist. He said the man that took him anatomy during his preclinical years at Yale was one of the best he had ever seen. He is one of the first three anatomists in the country.. My question is, if he, who had M.B.B.S could say this, and the Yale university that allowed a non-medically qualified anatomist to teach medics could allow it, why not us? Though, personally, I loved my lecturers especially those who have MBBS degrees. The way they teach with clinical correlation makes you feel like a doctor and makes you remember stuff! But again there are others who had BSc's and PhD's in the basic sciences who were just about as good! (The likes of Prof. Abdulsallam Magaji).I personally don't care who teaches as long as you are qualified. SHALOM. |
Re: Lecturers Who Are Not Doctors ‘should No Longer’ Teach Medical Students by HammedOlanaija(m): 4:06pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Jaideyone:Actually am an undergraduate in pharmacology department and doesn't seem to understand when people keep saying pharmacology work as medical sales rep.Pls what do medical sales rep do precisely because as it sounds it involves maths.And I don't think we ever take a time to study further maths and then secondly what do they sell??if I guess right you people are talking about selling medical devices like incubator,sterilizers,medical gloves etc except drugs since pharmacologist are not allowed to sell drugs in Nigeria. |
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