OneJ:


Seun, "Jesus declared all foods to be clean" , if U were served a tasty dish of jellyfish & jollof rice, U go eat ?

eyinjuege:


No need to be sorry.
I guess it's easier to assume that because I've been quite vocal about allowing others exercising their right to he choice of medical treatment.
I honestly don't have problems with JWs, and I doubt those speaking against them do as individuals.
They are interested in the discussion, I'm really not interested in interpreting the bible for anyone. We all have eyes to read and listen, so they can equally do that. My own interpretation may be different from theirs/yours, but i will stick to mine and be true to myself, which I believe is the most important thing.

alBHAGDADI:


How many times do we have to show you guys that the blood spoken of is ANIMAL BLOOD?

Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you

I've used different verses to explain that that verse in Acts 15, yet you guys keep insisting on being stubborn.

Even during the sex you mentioned, blood is exchanged. Why can't you just ban sex so as to enable us abstain from blood totally since you say the verse is talking about human blood as well?

What about babies that swallow blood when their mother delivers them?

Your doctrine is weak.

Barristter07:


[i] Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you [/



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

Barristter07:


Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

Barristter07:


Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

Barristter07:


Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

Barristter07:


Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

Seun:
Question for Jehovah's Witnesses:

Imagine a scenario where the Governing Body sent a directive saying that it had been revealed to them through prayer and a better understanding of the bible that that their prohibition of blood transfusion was wrong. That they had come to understand that saving lives was more important to God than obedience to ceremonial rules. That Jesus had declared all foods to be clean, anyway. That from that moment, Jehovah's Witnesses who needed blood transfusions to save their lives were encouraged to accept them and would not be punished in any way.

Now let's say that some days after they gave the above directive, a young child who was very close to you was hit by a car and rushed to the hospital. While she was lying unconscious, the doctors informed you that in addition to her serious injuries, she had lost 40% of her blood and her chance of survival without a blood transfusion was basically 0%, but with a blood transfusion and proper treatment she had a 70% chance of survival. As the next of kin or guardian, it was up to you to decide whether or not to allow the doctors to give her a blood transfusion.

What would you do in that scenario?

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Seun:
Question for Jehovah's Witnesses:

Imagine a scenario where the Governing Body sent a directive saying that it had been revealed to them through prayer and a better understanding of the bible that that their prohibition of blood transfusion was wrong. That they had come to understand that saving lives was more important to God than obedience to ceremonial rules. That Jesus had declared all foods to be clean, anyway. That from that moment, Jehovah's Witnesses who needed blood transfusions to save their lives were encouraged to accept them and would not be punished in any way.

Now let's say that some days after they gave the above directive, a young child who was very close to you was hit by a car and rushed to the hospital. While she was lying unconscious, the doctors informed you that in addition to her serious injuries, she had lost 40% of her blood and her chance of survival without a blood transfusion was basically 0%, but with a blood transfusion and proper treatment she had a 70% chance of survival. As the next of kin or guardian, it was up to you to decide whether or not to allow the doctors to give her a blood transfusion.

What would you do in that scenario?

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Seun:
Question for Jehovah's Witnesses:

Imagine a scenario where the Governing Body sent a directive saying that it had been revealed to them through prayer and a better understanding of the bible that that their prohibition of blood transfusion was wrong. That they had come to understand that saving lives was more important to God than obedience to ceremonial rules. That Jesus had declared all foods to be clean, anyway. That from that moment, Jehovah's Witnesses who needed blood transfusions to save their lives were encouraged to accept them and would not be punished in any way.

Now let's say that some days after they gave the above directive, a young child who was very close to you was hit by a car and rushed to the hospital. While she was lying unconscious, the doctors informed you that in addition to her serious injuries, she had lost 40% of her blood and her chance of survival without a blood transfusion was basically 0%, but with a blood transfusion and proper treatment she had a 70% chance of survival. As the next of kin or guardian, it was up to you to decide whether or not to allow the doctors to give her a blood transfusion.

What would you do in that scenario?

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OneJ:



The flawed conjecture of a biased & prejudiced mind has no concrete base on reality. Just negodu, how U have revealed the real thoughts in your heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks".
Seun, for your mind, JWs no fit dey survive because them no transfuse blood. Kai !!!!
Una dey see wetin a rational man dey think for him fellow man?
A medical journal, "The Archives of Internal Medicine" published a study in 2012 :
"Jehovah's Witnesses who underwent bloodless surgeries spent less time in the Intensive Care Unit& less time in the hospital compared to other patients who had blood transfusions. They also had a higher survival rate at 95% compared to the other group (those who had blood transfusions)at 89%"
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctors-explore-potential-benefits-of-bloodless-surgery/.
Let me cure your ignorance .
JWs are very well informed about the best practices in bloodless surgery & up to date trends in effective blood management. We are in constant touch with the medical community & health professionals, we interact with them & make sure they know how to care for us.
In the process , they have gained vital info which increases their professional expertise.
This benefits not only JWs but others too. These days well informed non jws even demand non blood surgery & treatment.
Besides, JWs are well organized & every JW knows what to do in an emergency.
Shalom.

Emusan:


I can deduce that you don't understand what this thread is all about or the reason why main stream Christians are not in support of JW.

What we're basically saying is this, if JW refuse blood transfusion based on their own Knowledge with a clause that will be fine but going about deceiving people including their own member that BIBLE AGAINST SUCH ACT is what we're saying here.

alBHAGDADI:


Seun asked a simple question, yet you chose to reply with an answer that has nothing to do with the question.

I'll concluded that you are too scared to attempt his questions which will expose your organization.

alBHAGDADI:


The issue is that Acts 15:19 has been twisted to suit man-made doctrines which are being taught as commandment of God.

OneJ:

LIAR.

Acts 15:20,29. Abstain from blood.
Lev 17:14, alBHAGDADI "do not eat the blood of any creature"
alBHAGDADI are you a creature?
Is man a creature?
No dull your brain.

OneJ:

Mumu post. alBHAGDADI , wetin be conjecture for your language?

OneJ:


Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

OneJ:


Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

OneJ:


Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

OneJ:


Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

OneJ:

LIAR.

Acts 15:20,29. Abstain from blood.
Lev 17:14, alBHAGDADI "do not eat the blood of any creature"
alBHAGDADI are you a creature?
Is man a creature?
No dull your brain.

OneJ:

LIAR.

Acts 15:20,29. Abstain from blood.
Lev 17:14, "do not eat the blood of any creature"
are you a creature?
Is man a creature?
No dull your brain.

OneJ:


Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

Emusan:


So funny of you guys.

You agreed that David linked the water to his men blood proof a point but Jesus linked His own blood to wine isn't real.

Between if I disvirgin my wife did I abstain from blood?

Maybe you use another thing to disvirgin your wife or she's not a virgin...

alBHAGDADI:
Stop insulting.

The verse says we shouldn't eat the blood of any creature. I showed you earlier that blood transfusion is different from eating blood. When you EAT blood, it digests into nutrients which are used up and then passed out through faeces. But when you take blood through transfusion, the blood remains the same way in your blood and continues carrying out the function of blood without being used up or passed out. Can you now see the difference between eating and transfusion?

Barristter07:


Anal sex and Vagina sex , which is not fornication ? Going by your flawed logic, a person has obeyed the instruction to abstain fornication as long as vagina is untouched, IF DONE THROUGH ANOTHER ROUTE

Either Man or Animal blood, do not consume " ANY BLOOD " at all - Lev 3:17

That prohibition came before the Law, confirmed by the Law and continue to exist after the Law

Barristter07:


Anal sex and Vagina sex , which is not fornication ? Going by your flawed logic, a person has obeyed the instruction to abstain fornication as long as vagina is untouched, IF DONE THROUGH ANOTHER ROUTE

Either Man or Animal blood, do not consume " ANY BLOOD " at all - Lev 3:17

That prohibition came before the Law, confirmed by the Law and continue to exist after the Law