budaatum:

Jesus never exterminated anyone! And God sef got tired of exterminations very early on with Noah and salt, or was it a burning, unless one wants to consider the numerous sackings of Jerusalem.

Yes Jesus was also a Jehovah's Witness so He has no right to exterminate a single soul because all souls belongs to Jehovah. Ezekiel 18:4 But almost 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are now with Him in heaven preparing for cleansing of the earth, when the last one joins them then Jesus will lead them back to the earth as spirit beings and a great extermination will happen! Luke 19:27 Those who refused to readjust their way of life will die in the burning fury of Jesus and His 144,000 anointed Kings who are co~rulers with Him. Revelations 19:17-21 This will be justified because angels have no right to kill humans so the 144,000 born again from the earth who have become powerful than angels will do the judging because they're the ones coming to avenge their own blood and the blood of all the holy ones that suffered injustice in the hands of Satan's agents!

OneJ:


Jesus said he "bear witness to the truth (God's word, John 18:37), therefore, he witnessed for God, Jehovah his Father.
" For we have testified (Witnessed) about God that he raised Christ from the dead " 1Cor15:15. For once in your life, admit the truth U saw in that verse -Witnesses of God testified that Christ was raised from the dead.

See your lie " that verse centres around Christ".
Ogbeni, did Christ raised himself from the dead? U leave substance dey chase shadow. Dalu. rinne !!!!

How did they testify/witness about God?

Was it not due to Jesus Christ resurrecting? Did they see God? No, but they saw His magnificent work which was Jesus Christ resurrecting. That's what they went about witnessing to people.

Yes, Jesus raised himself up again. The apostles agree that God raised him up and that Jesus is part of the Godhead. Jesus even said it himself...

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

TATIME:
Yes Jesus was also a Jehovah's Witness so He has no right to exterminate a single soul because all souls belongs to Jehovah. Ezekiel 18:4 But almost 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are now with Him in heaven preparing for cleansing of the earth, when the last one joins them then Jesus will lead them back to the earth as spirit beings and a great extermination will happen! Luke 19:27 Those who refused to readjust their way of life will die in the burning fury of Jesus and His 144,000 anointed Kings who are co~rulers with Him. Revelations 19:17-21 This will be justified because angels have no right to kill humans so the 144,000 born again from the earth who have become powerful than angels will do the judging because they're the ones coming to avenge their own blood and the blood of all the holy ones that suffered injustice in the hands of Satan's agents!

The 144,000 are Jehovah's Witnesses

alBHAGDADI:


The 144,000 are Jehovah's Witnesses

Elijah claimed that he was worshipping the same God Moses worshiped,the 450 prophets of Baal said the same but Elijah was vindicated. Please you can also say the same thing about your RCCG, it's observers that will judge if you truly knows what you're saying. 1Kings 18:39 So you can't be a contestant and the judge at the same time.

budaatum:

Not a lot of people agree with this mode of thought anymore. It was common in Europe in the past, but not anymore do people feel the need to exterminate those who don't agree with some religious arrangement of gods that aren't their own gods. With the exception of the likes of alqaeda, isis, bokoharam, it's almost non-existent anywhere in fact. A lot of people just live and let live.

So, do JWs plan to exterminate those who don't agree with them?

That was the view of Jws previously up until 2016 when it was readjusted and a new direction taken by the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses printed another article in the watchtower of June 2016 page 16-17 an interesting line about that is below.....

In the past, we have explained that in the modern-day fulfillment of this vision, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represented the anointed remnant(144,000) and their Companions (THE GREAT CROWD). It was thought that those who respond favorably to the message being preached(by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are now MARKED for survival. In recent years, however, it has become clear that an adjustment needs to be made to this explanation. According to what is stated at Matthew 25:31-33 , Jesus is the one who judges people. He makes his final judgment during the time of the great tribulation, separating the sheeplike ones, who will survive, from the goatlike ones, who will be destroyed.


Please who adjust your understanding, JEHOVAH/JESUS.

TATIME:
Elijah claimed that he was worshipping the same God Moses worshiped,the 450 prophets of Baal said the same but Elijah was vindicated. Please you can also say the same thing about your RCCG, it's observers that will judge if you truly knows what you're saying. 1Kings 18:39 So you can't be a contestant and the judge at the same time.

The Baal were not worshipping the God Elijah worshipped, there was clear distinction here........Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.” 1 King 18:21. The RCCG claim to follow Christ just as the JWS claim as well. No one is limping here.

achorladey:


That was the view of Jws previously up until 2016 when it was readjusted and a new direction taken by the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses printed another article in the watchtower of June 2016 page 16-17 an interesting line about that is below.....

In the past, we have explained that in the modern-day fulfillment of this vision, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represented the anointed remnant(144,000) and their Companions (THE GREAT CROWD). It was thought that those who respond favorably to the message being preached(by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are now MARKED for survival. In recent years, however, it has become clear that an adjustment needs to be made to this explanation. According to what is stated at Matthew 25:31-33 , Jesus is the one who judges people. He makes his final judgment during the time of the great tribulation, separating the sheeplike ones, who will survive, from the goatlike ones, who will be destroyed.


Please who adjust your understanding, JEHOVAH/JESUS.

.

achorladey, "budatuum's question is: "do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?"
U are very crooked.

achorladey , who wrote the "vision of the man with the Secretary's ink horn", was it done by JWs ?

2) Who is the source of Matt 25:31-33? Na JW write those verses for Bible ?

These threads are still ongoing on NL forum.
"5 Old beliefs of Pastor kumuyi of Deeper Life....";
"Pastor Kumuyi: I will remove some doctrines in Deeper Life....". etc.

achorladey, U & you crew hero worship him and see nothing wrong in this steps he took.
Him still be una MOG & infallible GOM.


Yet, all of Una dey take madquinine because Jehovah's people , we who really study God's & are quick to align ourselves to God's word & his principles as we gain more insight & understanding.
To do so is HUMILITY.

Una hypocrisy no get rival.

Many times Jesus had to adjust the beliefs of his followers ,so that they will gain more insight & understanding. Matt 20:20-23. Mark 9:30-37.
Even when some of his apostles fled & denied him in his hour of distress, (Mark14:27-31,37-51,66-72), achorladey did Jesus label them a cult or fake prophets?

Many centuries ago, it was believed that the earth was flat, achorladey is that belief still valid today?
Why did U not stick with the earth is flat belief?
Jehovah's people must continue learning & be humble to follow the God's word & stick with his standards, no matter what?

alBHAGDADI:
How did they testify/witness about God?

Was it not due to Jesus Christ resurrecting? Did they see God? No, but they saw His magnificent work which was Jesus Christ resurrecting. That's what they went about witnessing to people.

They witness about Jehovah! Yes or No ?

Yes, Jesus raised himself up again. The apostles agree that God raised him up and that Jesus is part of the Godhead. Jesus even said it himself...

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That expression is similar to Jesus saying " Your Faith made you well " , does it mean the person heal their self ? Same applies to John 2:19


Jehovah God His Father raised him up ! Says Galatians 1:1 . Receive sense AlBHAGDADI !

You see your level of ignorance, True Christians still need to witness Jehovah God to you as well . Just as Christians of early times do to unbelievers .

Barristter07:


They witness about Jehovah! Yes or No ?



That expression is similar to Jesus saying " Your Faith made you well " , does it mean the person heal their self ? Same applies to John 2:19


Jehovah God His Father raised him up ! Says Galatians 1:1 . Receive sense AlBHAGDADI !

You see your level of ignorance, True Christians still need to witness Jehovah God to you as well . Just as Christians of early times do to unbelievers .

"God resurrected him (Jesus)" Acts 2:24.

achorladey:



The Baal were not worshipping the God Elijah worshipped, there was clear distinction here........Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.” 1 King 18:21. The RCCG claim to follow Christ just as the JWS claim as well. No one is limping here.

Hmmmmmmmmmm now i know the problem with most readers who aren't studying the Bible with someone beside them! Please Who is the God of Noah,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and Moses? Who brought the Israelites out of Egypt? Who is their provider,protector and shield? Well Elijah was saying it wasn't the same with the God those 450 prophets were worshipping but those prophets (though having various forms of worship with Gods in different names) were claiming "it's the SAME God" but with different names! What they were teaching the people is that God has many names so it's not compulsory you must call HIM with just ONE name! That was the controversy! Please carefully consider Numbers 25:3,it says the Israelites joined in the worship of Baal of Poer(NWT) or Baalpoer(KJV) So the false prophets have always been arguing with God's servants thousands of years over God's name! And most people becomes confused because the false prophets keeps portraying the true God as a deity with no specific rules. That's the emphasis of the figure "450" because they're all presenting the same God with various forms of worship! But Elijah kept saying "NO it shouldn't be so!". So while Elijah was trying to direct the people back to the standard set in the Mosaic law, the numerous prophets are having various and contradicting standards thus confusing the people! Please that's exactly the SAME thing we JWs are trying to clarify today! For example, which of these numerous religious groups is truly representing Christianity as it was in the first century? Of course they are all using the popular name written in the Bible "Jesus" but what pattern did that single Jesus set back then? Or let's reform the questions "if a lay man wants to practice Christianity today, which of all these religions are we to direct him?" May Jehovah's name be praised! For HIS undeserved kindness through our Lord Jesus Christ, because Satan's cover has been blown open! I may not be a professor or sound in English as your friend earlier said but not as dumb so as not to identify clarity. Act 4:13

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm thanks for the observation!

Dont mention it. You're welcome.

TATIME:
"Please i want you to know that this is not the proper channel for our preaching and teaching program

"And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
- Mark 16:15

Are there proper channel for our preaching and teaching program identified clearly and definitely?

TATIME:
but we just need to clarify certain things in order to prove those who are misrepresenting us as Christians in the society as false!"

(1) Well humans as intelligent creatures needs guidance
but not from their fellow creatures, because of the inevitability of prejudice. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9

Even man despite being an intelligent creatures still finds it difficult to make wise decisions
so since he can't wisely direct himself, he's not qualified to give others directions. Jeremiah 10:23

"If you do what the LORD wants, he will make certain each step you take is sure."
(i.e. The LORD grants success to the one whose behavior he finds commendable.)
- Psalm 37:23

Man was never intended to have dominion over another man
The earth was intended to be a protectorate, and Adam being the Governor-General based in Eden

TATIME:
(2) God has arranged that a training program need to be put in place to redeem man back to perfect order,
a King who has lived, studied and understood the feelings of humans should lead the training program. Isaiah 9:6

The King must have co~rulers who will take the training to far distance but first they must be trained, tested and trusted.
They must first display all the qualities required for excellence in performance.
So Jesus started the preaching and teaching from Judea,
His co~rulers must be selected from amongst those who welcomed the training,
Jerusalem supposed to be the seat of their government
but Jerusalem has been polluted with the blood of holy prophets
and finally the Messiah(Himself) was falsely accused, arrested, judge and sentenced to death in Jerusalem!

That's why He foreseeing the event told His friends who were to rule with Him
that He will go and prepare another place for the government house,
but this time in the place from where He has come(heaven).
Humans can't go there because it's an abode for Spirits ONLY. Psalms 115:16

So these co~rulers needed to be transformed into another body (spirit body) before they can go there,
that's the reason for the BORN AGAIN!

Nicodemus was one of the rulers amongst the Jews that time
and their thoughts is that when that promised King arrives He will select them first,
so Jesus told him that he must be Born Again
(first undergo the training, become a frontiers in preaching and teaching, then God can consider him to be part of the chosen ones)
since it's not even Jesus Himself who chooses the co~rulers but the Almighty God. Matthew 20:20-23

"¹There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
²The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
³Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
⁴Nicodemus saith unto him,
How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
⁵Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
⁶That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
⁷Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again"
- John 3:1-7

A bible useful rule of thumb is that to remember the bible wasnt originally in chapters and verses and so be careful when reading it

I love John chapter 3 a lot and have noticed that John chapter 3 actually, appropriately should have started from John 2:23
but it sad to see, many, be under a delusion or living in a fool's paradise, cavorting with the "born again" cliché

TATIME, most, familiar with driving a car or riding a motor-cycle
know how a car's flat/dead battery is brought back to life
or know how a motor cycle thats being lying sitting for months/years is brought back to life

Now, here's the beginning of the point, many so-called believers, "believers" and/or christians, misunderstand John chapter 3
and as a result, unnecessarily slip into resorting to using a "born again" cliché

I am unable to understand why some and/or others dont ever wonder why Jesus never publicly gave, not even one "born again" teaching
I guess it's because born from above also known as, born again, actually isn't a badge of honour, but is a matter of just fact
It is unneccessary to publicly teach a known fact


TATIME, what was Nicodemus opening remark and what was Jesus' immediate reply back to Nicodemus opening remark?
The arresting point that got Nicodemus captivated was the mention of regeneration in Jesus' immediate reply to his opening remark.

Jesus said to Nicodemus, it takes one having a spirit renewal or spirit re-birth, to see and recognise the kingdom of God
He said, except born from above, one cant accept the truth of nor admit the existence of the kingdom of God
If one isnt, then such one, will rubbish, ridicule, make fun of, poke fun at, make jokes about, scoff at, be sarcastic about the kingdom of God
Such one not born from above, will take the mickey out of demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God

Notice, it's, born from above, in order to be able to acknowledge the demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God
and its' born of water and born from above, in order to enter into the kingdom of God

TATIME, here is an illustration, to explain "see the kingdom of God" and "enter into the kingdom of God"
When you're on a plane from France to Ghana, with a connecting flight at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Holland
you dont go outside or beyond Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Amsterdam city and/or Holland from inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,
Except you have the correct travelling documents etcetera, you cant go into town, cannot enter into Amsterdam city and/or Holland
you will just see Holland and the city from whilst inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (i.e. the main international airport of the Netherlands)

Now lets rewind a bit TATIME
After dark one evening, Nicodemus came to speak with Jesus.
"Rabbi," he said,
"we all know that God has sent you to teach us.
Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you."
- John 3:2

Going back to John 3:2,
Nicodemus in John 3:2 managed to have seen somethings, admitted and confirmed the origin of what hes being seeing
but Jesus switched gear on Nicodemus, changed from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter the Kingdom'' only when Nicodemus was wrestling with the Born Again enter mother's womb
- it is a fact, it is possible, we can see things of thing without entering the thing

People jumble two separate things together here TATIME.
Just because you cant enter, doesnt mean or imply you can't see

People see America, people watch America
but to enter into America, to set foot on American soil in America, requires certain criteria being met

Two people looking at the same thing at the same time,
both observing the same thing but only one is seeing something,
only one is admitting seeing what's being observed or only one aknowledges what was played out before them both

You see things when the spirit falls or rests on you
You can't see things unless you are born from above (i.e. you are born again)

Please study John 3:1-3 by slowing reading but reading it out loud
Hope you notice how Nicodemus instigated Jesus switching the gear on him.
Jesus in responding to Nicodemus' admitted John 3:2 observances, decides to up the ante
from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter into the Kingdom'' after Nicodemus brought in the issue of re-entering a mother's womb

Nicodemus had no problem with Jesus' first reply
This is confirmed if John 3:3, is re-read like this:
You are right Nicodemus, I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born again, he CANNOT "see" the kingdom of God

Jesus knew what Nicodemus was having a problem with
and also knew why Nicodemus asked that question in John 3:4

TATIME, you see, Nicodemus was confused about the entering aspect,
He was thinking, is it going to be his present body or would he have to return into his mother's womb for a re-birth?

TATIME, re-read Jesus' John 3:5 reply to Nicodemus bewilderment, like this:
"You are right Nicodemus,
I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God"

Nicodemus was like, OK, I've seen the demonstration and power of the Kingdom,
but my question now is, how do I enter the Kingdom. What are the qualifications?
Remember Nicodemus was a Pharisee, and the Pharisees idea of what the Messiah and His Kingdom is or would be is different

Born Again isnt the false doctrine it's being built up to be,
but is a fact, reality and truth that, except one is biologically born of human being (i.e. born of water)
and spiritually born of God (i.e. born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit) you cannot enter the kingdom

To see the kingdom you need to be born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit but to enter the kingdom,
unless you are born of water and born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit, it is not going to happen

If not for Nicodemus, Jesus didnt even have to mention this one event, dead in the night, mention of born of water and born again.
Jesus was even baffled at Nicodemus
He told him off for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing such a basic and obvious thing like this

All's well that ends well, Nicodemus, who came in the middle of the night,
left, being able to draw in the lines
and eventually accept that Jesus is God, from the slight rebuke and dots to join together, Jesus gave him.

Bottom line and to make a short work of this, is that, no one is entering the Kingdom without a glorified body
(i.e. EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God)

OneJ:

"God resurrected him (Jesus)" Acts 2:24.

of course, God raised him from the dead.

Acts 2:24 King James Version (KJV)
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.


And Jesus is part of that Godhead, that's why he was able to say...

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

When we tell you that Jesus is God, you kick against it. Here you are claiming that it is God that raised him from the dead and can only do so. But here I am showing you that Jesus said he will do so too. Can a created being or an angel make such claim which only belongs to God?

Barristter07:


They witness about Jehovah! Yes or No ?



That expression is similar to Jesus saying " Your Faith made you well " , does it mean the person heal their self ? Same applies to John 2:19


Jehovah God His Father raised him up ! Says Galatians 1:1 . Receive sense AlBHhhAGDADI !

You see your level of ignorance, True Christians still need to witness Jehovah God to you as well . Just as Christians of early times do to unbelievers .

Your faith made you well is quite different from when Jesus said "I will raise it up".

The woman's faith in Jesus enabled the healing process, same way our faith in Jesus saves us. But in the case of Jesus saying "I will raise it up", he was simply stating it that he has the power to resurrect himself. Please stop being clever by half by twisting scriptures.

Yes, God raised him up and that God includes Jesus and His Father. Otherwise Jesus won't be using words like I will, I have... That would have likened him to Satan who fell after those four I he used when speaking about raising his throne up to God's level.


John 10:18

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus received the commandment from the Father which attests to my stance that there is an heirachy in the Godhead. That's why he said he can't do anything of his one except what he sees his Father doing. This means that if his father can raise him up, then he can raise himself up too.

That's why he made the below statement.

John 14:11

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mention it. You're welcome.

"And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
- Mark 16:15

Are there proper channel for our preaching and teaching program identified clearly and definitely?

"If you do what the LORD wants, he will make certain each step you take is sure."
(i.e. The LORD grants success to the one whose behavior he finds commendable.)
- Psalm 37:23

Man was never intended to have dominion over another man
The earth was intended to be a protectorate, and Adam being the Governor-General based in Eden

"¹There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
²The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
³Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
⁴Nicodemus saith unto him,
How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
⁵Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
⁶That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
⁷Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again"
- John 3:1-7

A bible useful rule of thumb is that to remember the bible wasnt originally in chapters and verses and so be careful when reading it

I love John chapter 3 a lot and have noticed that John chapter 3 actually, appropriately should have started from John 2:23
but it sad to see, many, be under a delusion or living in a fool's paradise, cavorting with the "born again" cliché

TATIME, most, familiar with driving a car or riding a motor-cycle
know how a car's flat/dead battery is brought back to life
or know how a motor cycle thats being lying sitting for months/years is brought back to life

Now, here's the beginning of the point, many so-called believers, "believers" and/or christians, misunderstand John chapter 3
and as a result, unnecessarily slip into resorting to using a "born again" cliché

I am unable to understand why some and/or others dont ever wonder why Jesus never publicly gave, not even one "born again" teaching
I guess it's because born from above also known as, born again, actually isn't a badge of honour, but is a matter of just fact
It is unneccessary to publicly teach a known fact


TATIME, what was Nicodemus opening remark and what was Jesus' immediate reply back to Nicodemus opening remark?
The arresting point that got Nicodemus captivated was the mention of regeneration in Jesus' immediate reply to his opening remark.

Jesus said to Nicodemus, it takes one having a spirit renewal or spirit re-birth, to see and recognise the kingdom of God
He said, except born from above, one cant accept the truth of nor admit the existence of the kingdom of God
If one isnt, then such one, will rubbish, ridicule, make fun of, poke fun at, make jokes about, scoff at, be sarcastic about the kingdom of God
Such one not born from above, will take the mickey out of demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God

Notice, it's, born from above, in order to be able to acknowledge the demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God
and its' born of water and born from above, in order to enter into the kingdom of God

TATIME, here is an illustration, to explain "see the kingdom of God" and "enter into the kingdom of God"
When you're on a plane from France to Ghana, with a connecting flight at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Holland
you dont go outside or beyond Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Amsterdam city and/or Holland from inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,
Except you have the correct travelling documents etcetera, you cant go into town, cannot enter into Amsterdam city and/or Holland
you will just see Holland and the city from whilst inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (i.e. the main international airport of the Netherlands)

Now lets rewind a bit TATIME
After dark one evening, Nicodemus came to speak with Jesus.
"Rabbi," he said,
"we all know that God has sent you to teach us.
Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you."
- John 3:2

Going back to John 3:2,
Nicodemus in John 3:2 managed to have seen somethings, admitted and confirmed the origin of what hes being seeing
but Jesus switched gear on Nicodemus, changed from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter the Kingdom'' only when Nicodemus was wrestling with the Born Again enter mother's womb
- it is a fact, it is possible, we can see things of thing without entering the thing

People jumble two separate things together here TATIME.
Just because you cant enter, doesnt mean or imply you can't see

People see America, people watch America
but to enter into America, to set foot on American soil in America, requires certain criteria being met

Two people looking at the same thing at the same time,
both observing the same thing but only one is seeing something,
only one is admitting seeing what's being observed or only one aknowledges what was played out before them both

You see things when the spirit falls or rests on you
You can't see things unless you are born from above (i.e. you are born again)

Please study John 3:1-3 by slowing reading but reading it out loud
Hope you notice how Nicodemus instigated Jesus switching the gear on him.
Jesus in responding to Nicodemus' admitted John 3:2 observances, decides to up the ante
from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter into the Kingdom'' after Nicodemus brought in the issue of re-entering a mother's womb

Nicodemus had no problem with Jesus' first reply
This is confirmed if John 3:3, is re-read like this:
You are right Nicodemus, I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born again, he CANNOT "see" the kingdom of God

Jesus knew what Nicodemus was having a problem with
and also knew why Nicodemus asked that question in John 3:4

TATIME, you see, Nicodemus was confused about the entering aspect,
He was thinking, is it going to be his present body or would he have to return into his mother's womb for a re-birth?

TATIME, re-read Jesus' John 3:5 reply to Nicodemus bewilderment, like this:
"You are right Nicodemus,
I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God"

Nicodemus was like, OK, I've seen the demonstration and power of the Kingdom,
but my question now is, how do I enter the Kingdom. What are the qualifications?
Remember Nicodemus was a Pharisee, and the Pharisees idea of what the Messiah and His Kingdom is or would be is different

Born Again isnt the false doctrine it's being built up to be,
but is a fact, reality and truth that, except one is biologically born of human being (i.e. born of water)
and spiritually born of God (i.e. born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit) you cannot enter the kingdom

To see the kingdom you need to be born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit but to enter the kingdom,
unless you are born of water and born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit, it is not going to happen

If not for Nicodemus, Jesus didnt even have to mention this one event, dead in the night, mention of born of water and born again.
Jesus was even baffled at Nicodemus
He told him off for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing such a basic and obvious thing like this

All's well that ends well, Nicodemus, who came in the middle of the night,
left, being able to draw in the lines
and eventually accept that Jesus is God, from the slight rebuke and dots to join together, Jesus gave him.

Bottom line and to make a short work of this, is that, no one is entering the Kingdom without a glorified body
(i.e. EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God)

So what about faithful servants of God who never got baptized by water and spirit, since the first time God baptise humans with HIS spirit was at Pentecost? And Jesus said the least in "the Kingdom" is greater than John but John is greater than all prior to him (Abel,Abraham,Moses,Elijah,David,Hezekiah,Josiah,Isaiah,Jeremiah,Daniel,Zachariah) are they going to enter the Kingdom of God since they're not baptized by water +spirit ? They're all dead before the commencement of the baptism by water and spirit, And God's word clearly says there is no activity in the grave(where all dead are).Ecclesiastes 9:10

MuttleyLaff:
All's well that ends well, Nicodemus, who came in the middle of the night,
left, being able to draw in the lines
and eventually accept that Jesus is God, from the slight rebuke and dots to join together, Jesus gave him.

Please, did Nicodemus ever got born of water and spirit (Born Again)? Because according to the gospels,Nicodemus remains part of the Sanhendrin (Jewish rulers). John 7:45-52 So all through Jesus' life and ministry, so he remains a disciple (in the secret). John 19:38,39 So he never declared himself publicly as a disciple of Christ( Matthew 10:39) And it's the baptism by water that FIRST declares you PUBLICLY as an individual who is ready to join Christ's followers, then it was at Pentecost 33c.e that those Christians were baptized with the spirit! Unlike Peter who followed Jesus everywhere He goes and Jesus prayed fervently for him not to loose out in the race(Luke 22:31,32) Nicodemus loved and kept his position amongst the Sanhendrin. So how or when did he became BORN AGAIN.

TATIME:
Please, did Nicodemus ever got born of water and spirit (Born Again)? Because according to the gospels,Nicodemus remains part of the Sanhendrin (Jewish rulers). John 7:45-52 So all through Jesus' life and ministry, so he remains a disciple (in the secret). John 19:38,39 So he never declared himself publicly as a disciple of Christ( Matthew 10:39) And it's the baptism by water that FIRST declares you PUBLICLY as an individual who is ready to join Christ's followers, then it was at Pentecost 33c.e that those Christians were baptized with the spirit! Unlike Peter who followed Jesus everywhere He goes and Jesus prayed fervently for him not to loose out in the race(Luke 22:31,32) Nicodemus loved and kept his position amongst the Sanhendrin.
So how or when did he became BORN AGAIN.

TATIME, please do the following, let's do this together
1/ Type in here what Nicodemus opening remark was to Jesus
2/ Next from that remark, what was Nicodemus saying and asking Jesus?
3/ Why was Nicodemus saying this and asking Jesus?

MuttleyLaff:
TATIME, please do the following, let's do this together
1/ Type in here what Nicodemus opening remark was to Jesus
2/ Next from that remark, what was Nicodemus saying and asking Jesus?
3/ Why was Nicodemus saying this and asking Jesus?

(1)John 3:2 Acknowledging Jesus as a PROPHET from God just as another young ruler did. Luke 18:18-23. (2) (Though indirectly) he came to ask Jesus the same question. (3) (Though not mentioned) he has come to know what it will take to rule with Jesus, since that's the position he held in the religious setting and knew that the scriptures said some Jews will rule with the Messiah. But why didn't you answer my question?

OneJ:
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achorladey, "budatuum's question is: "do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?"
U are very crooked.

achorladey , who wrote the "vision of the man with the Secretary's ink horn", was it done by JWs ?

2) Who is the source of Matt 25:31-33? Na JW write those verses for Bible ?

These threads are still ongoing on NL forum.
"5 Old beliefs of Pastor kumuyi of Deeper Life....";
"Pastor Kumuyi: I will remove some doctrines in Deeper Life....". etc.

achorladey, U & you crew hero worship him and see nothing wrong in this steps he took.
Him still be una MOG & infallible GOM.


Yet, all of Una dey take madquinine because Jehovah's people , we who really study God's & are quick to align ourselves to God's word & his principles as we gain more insight & understanding.
To do so is HUMILITY.

Una hypocrisy no get rival.

Many times Jesus had to adjust the beliefs of his followers ,so that they will gain more insight & understanding. Matt 20:20-23. Mark 9:30-37.
Even when some of his apostles fled & denied him in his hour of distress, (Mark14:27-31,37-51,66-72), achorladey did Jesus label them a cult or fake prophets?

Many centuries ago, it was believed that the earth was flat, achorladey is that belief still valid today?
Why did U not stick with the earth is flat belief?
Jehovah's people must continue learning & be humble to follow the God's word & stick with his standards, no matter what?

All this, and question not answered!

Do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?

achorladey:


That was the view of Jws previously up until 2016 when it was readjusted and a new direction taken by the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses printed another article in the watchtower of June 2016 page 16-17 an interesting line about that is below.....

In the past, we have explained that in the modern-day fulfillment of this vision, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represented the anointed remnant(144,000) and their Companions (THE GREAT CROWD). It was thought that those who respond favorably to the message being preached(by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are now MARKED for survival. In recent years, however, it has become clear that an adjustment needs to be made to this explanation. According to what is stated at Matthew 25:31-33 , Jesus is the one who judges people. He makes his final judgment during the time of the great tribulation, separating the sheeplike ones, who will survive, from the goatlike ones, who will be destroyed.


Please who adjust your understanding, JEHOVAH/JESUS.

This seems to be the Watchtower of June 2016. Could you point out the article please?

budaatum:

All this, and question not answered!

Do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?

budaatum, the answer is boldly written on the wall! Throughout the earth there are hundreds of thousands of humans enrolling in the military for one reason or another but JWs have eliminated such inclination in our midst. Even if you're a military officer before studying with us, you must RESIGN before you can be baptised and welcome into the global family as one of Jehovah's witnesses. So a capital NO! is the answer to the question. Critics will continue to say evil things against the organization but that question of yours is killing them quietly within because they can't eradicate killing in their religion since they're still having military officers. They will come up demanding where Jesus condemned military service whereas it's boldly written in the Bible "those who lead by the sword (weapons) will perish (destroyed) by the sword" Matthew 26:52 Our plan is to help as many as we could to become Jehovah's Witnesses until Jehovah HIMSELF destroys all those who are opposing US. Exodus 14:14

budaatum:

This seems to be the Watchtower of June 2016. Could you point out the article please?

His question is so sarcastic! Because Jesus remains "the word of God" and He was the only person through whom Jehovah speaks to US, Jesus in turn speaks to the Apostles who in turn speaks to other disciples. He will not give any institution to anyone except through His Apostles. Paul was the last Apostle chosen by Jesus yet He was directed to go and take instructions from the Apostles. Their problem is that after they have been duped by their pastors, these yahoo boys are no more worthy to be presented as spokesmen for Jesus like the Apostles so they're now advocating for discarding of the Apostolic setting. But we're still taking instructions from our own GB since we know that Jesus won't INSTRUCT any disciple DIRECTLY so like Cain who realized that his sacrifice is not accepted they're mad with rage against Jehovah's Witnesses.

TATIME:
Our plan is to help as many as we could to become Jehovah's Witnesses until Jehovah HIMSELF destroys all those who are opposing US. Exodus 14:14

So, its Jehovah who does the exterminating! I thought Jehovah had given up that stupidity when the flood made no difference! Didn't Jehovah become more compassionate than that by allowing Jesus to come die instead? Why can't Jehovah just create the type of humans it wants instead of creating bad ones too that need extermination?

Ah well, when that exterminating day comes, I'm certain there's going to be a lot of us saying "Jehovah fuq off"! Thankfully, it is bidding its time patiently while we 'arm' ourselves to oppose it!

budaatum:

So, its Jehovah who does the exterminating! I thought Jehovah had given up that stupidity when the flood made no difference! Didn't Jehovah become more compassionate than that by allowing Jesus to come die instead? Why can't Jehovah just create the type of humans it wants instead of creating bad ones too that need extermination?

Ah well, when that exterminating day comes, I'm certain there's going to be a lot of us saying "Jehovah fuq off"! Thankfully, it is bidding its time patiently while we 'arm' ourselves to oppose it!

Jehovah created birds, animals, fishes and creeping things,they all live on instinct but as for humans HE created us to be intelligent with freewill (Genesis 1:26) HIS plan is for us to continue passing healthful information to our progenies, that's why it takes time before a man starts walking and talking. Yes whoever is not ready to learn how to live in Paradise is directly or indirectly telling Jehovah "i'm not interested",they'll continue to live until HIS time to say "enough". Nothing will change HIS plans, it's humans that must work in agreement with HIS plans. Isaiah 55:9-11 HE created TWO, EIGHT survived HIS anger and yet the earth is filled like this, whoever believes the beginning "Genesis" shouldn't find it difficult to know that HE who started all these with just TWO has no problem with few numbers(Luke 13:23) as long as they're ready to live by the principles set by HIS only begotten son, Jehovah is prepared to bless them with EVERLASTING LIFE. John 3:16-18

TATIME:

Yes whoever is not ready to learn how to live in Paradise is directly or indirectly telling Jehovah "i'm not interested",they'll continue to live until HIS time to say "enough".

Nothing will change HIS plans, it's humans that must work in agreement with HIS plans.

It is my own opinion that "HIS plans', as you've described it here, sucks! A more competent God's plan would include making earth paradise instead of giving up on it and threatening people with 'extermination'.

As I mentioned previously, where I live, compared to Nigeria, is paradise. If Nigeria is like it is here, we would call it heaven. I guess those who desire an afterlife in paradise don't need to bother about their temporary existence on earth.

Treating people disrespectfully by threatening them did not work in the garden of Eden, or anytime after that, so perhaps God is refusing to learn from past mistakes, which in my opinion, is not exactly wise.

budaatum:

It is my own opinion that "HIS plans', as you've described it here, sucks! A more competent God's plan would include making earth paradise instead of giving up on it and threatening people with 'extermination'.

As I mentioned previously, where I live, compared to Nigeria, is paradise. If Nigeria is like it is here, we would call it heaven. I guess those who desire an afterlife in paradise don't need to bother about their temporary existence on earth.

Treating people disrespectfully by threatening them did not work in the garden of Eden, or anytime after that, so perhaps God is refusing to learn from past mistakes, which in my opinion, is not exactly wise.

You can say that again my friend. Living without growing old, (Job 33:25)getting sick or dying(Isaiah 33:24)no need for security personnel, alert or camera,(Psalms 37:7-11) no fear of natural disasters(Mark 4:37-41) in every place healthy food will sprout in abundance(Psalms 67:6) Please is the condition where you live presently anything close to that? My friend you should have asked me first what are the benefits of living in Paradise instead of dwelling on what misinformed religious churchgoers are saying.

budaatum:

This seems to be the Watchtower of June 2016. Could you point out the article please?

Watchtower June 2016 Study edition with the article titled..... Questions From Readers

Whom do the man with the secretary’s inkhorn and the six men with smashing weapons described in Ezekiel’s vision symbolize?

Further reading.....God's Kingdom rule book Chapter 21 Paragraph 16 a line from there reads......

How does this gathering of the anointed remnant (144000) relate to the event that will occur next, Armageddon? The timing of the gathering indicates that all anointed ones will be in heaven before God’s war of Armageddon begins. In heaven, the 144,000 CORULERS with Christ will receive AUTHORITY to share with Jesus in wielding “an iron rod” of DESTRUCTION against all ENEMIES of God’s Kingdom. ( Rev. 2:26, 27 ) Then, together with powerful angels, the resurrected ANOINTED ONES (144000) will follow Christ, the Warrior-King, as he sets out to confront the “vast army” of enemies that is closing in on its prey​—Jehovah’s people.

Note: The 144000 includes 85-90% present day JWs with the remaining % being the early Christians including the likes of the apostles.

Despite the adjustment you only need to read the
Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" and see that the adjustment still leave less to be desired.

TATIME:
His question is so sarcastic! Because Jesus remains "the word of God" and He was the only person through whom Jehovah speaks to US, Jesus in turn speaks to the Apostles who in turn speaks to other disciples. He will not give any institution to anyone except through His Apostles. Paul was the last Apostle chosen by Jesus yet He was directed to go and take instructions from the Apostles. Their problem is that after they have been duped by their pastors, these yahoo boys are no more worthy to be presented as spokesmen for Jesus like the Apostles so they're now advocating for discarding of the Apostolic setting. But we're still taking instructions from our own GB since we know that Jesus won't INSTRUCT any disciple DIRECTLY so like Cain who realized that his sacrifice is not accepted they're mad with rage against Jehovah's Witnesses.

I don't want to be sarcastic though if you do view me that way. I only want you to reason along and see with the numerous fact from the magazines and books published by the organization you are a member of.

The key word in this your latest post carries "INSTITUTION". please cross reference that what with what is highlighted here gotten from the footnotes on page 223 of the "God's Kingdom rules!" book published by Jehovah's witnesses

Highlights from the footnotes of the book cited ......It seems reasonable that the destruction of “Babylon the Great” refers mainly to the destruction of the religious INSTITUTIONS/ORGANIZATION, not to a wholesale slaughter of all religious people. Hence, most of Babylon’s former adherents will survive that destruction and, at least openly, will then likely try to distance themselves from religion, as indicated at Zechariah 13:4-6.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT........... is the INSTITUTION /ORGANIZATION you are a member of a RELIGIOUS one? Are they part of "BABYLON THE GREAT"? Will they be destroyed? The highlights from that book provide keys to all the answers you seek.

At least the organization admits not a WHOLESALE slaughter of RELIGIOUS people. So when you read, glean, ponder over what you read and not parrot them. That's one of the methods of acquiring wisdom and knowledge.

No one is getting MAD over JWs palaver, you are the one saying so all these while.

achorladey:

Despite the adjustment you only need to read the
Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" and see that the adjustment still leave less to be desired.

Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" reads like bokoharam but without the killing!

I'm going read it one more time makes sure didn't miss anything.

Meanwhile, JWs, comments??

budaatum:


Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" reads like bokoharam but without the killing!

I'm going read it one more time makes sure didn't miss anything.

Meanwhile, JWs, comments??

You're very funny my friend. Are you agitating against Jehovah's Witnesses or Religion in general? Because there's no religion on planet earth that has no promises of divine judgement on those who fails to comply with their terms. Hellfire (eternal torment) is their watchword but Jehovah's Witnesses believe that those who fails to comply will die as usual and the penalty is dead forever(never coming back). You are an atheist and you don't even buy the idea of an afterlife so why the sudden twist? Meanwhile acholardey surely claims to be a believer, why not ask him what exactly is his own beliefs? Hmmmmmmmmmm thanks to Jehovah for all these timely edition of the watchtower study articles,how can someone think that an atheist (who is claiming there is nothing like divine punishment) and a churchgoer (who is claiming that God will torment HIS enemies forever) could come to terms just because they both want to criticize JWs (Luke 23:12) Certainly the TRUTH has so many hidden ENEMIES TO BE KNOWN from all sides and Jehovah will surely rescue HIS people from them.

And finally the thread "Question for Jehovah's Witnesses, why the name?" has turned to "All schools of thought are OK(including atheism) except Jehovah's Witnesses". So that churchgoers and even the atheist who strongly disagree with eternal torment has joined in questioning JWs why we believe in divine judgement. In fact i'm now convinced more than ever before that truly ONLY members of Jehovah's Witnesses organization are worshipping our own God.

TATIME:
You can say that again my friend. Living without growing old, (Job 33:25)getting sick or dying(Isaiah 33:24)no need for security personnel, alert or camera,(Psalms 37:7-11) no fear of natural disasters(Mark 4:39) in every place healthy food will sprout in abundance(Psalms 67:6) Please is the condition where you live presently anything close to that? My friend you should have asked me first what are the benefits of living in Paradise instead of dwelling on what misinformed religious churchgoers are saying.

I think your error is thinking everyone gives as much to the fears of "growing old, (Job 33:25)getting that sick or dying(Isaiah 33:24)no need for security personnel, alert or camera,(Psalms 37:7-11) no fear of natural disasters(Mark 4:39) in every place healthy food will sprout in abundance" - as you do! You perhaps don't know that even while walking in the valley of the shadow of death one should fear no evil Makes me wonder if JWs aren't just promoting some fearful doctrine of an undesirable existence that hardly exists. Paradise, itself, is desirable, no doubt, but with no evidence it exists, I might as well get on with being fruitful and increasing in number; filling the earth and subduing it. "Ruling over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

It where I am, TATIME, this ground, on this earth, right now, and if here is not close to paradise, I'd like to hope it could someday be and I'd like my god to think so too and give me all the ability to help me make where I am as good as paradise is. Afterall, you are God, why should there not be peace on earth as there is in heaven? Na only una like good thing! Or do you just have so little faith in your very own creations, or even your only begotten son who went down there to die for all those people? You do realise your poxy paradise would have contained only Jews and some 144000 other people right? 144000 plus the Jews for you Lord Jehovah, 7bn to Satan! You need to show some love, God, and get some sense too while you're at it!

I'd hardly like my God Jehovah to be a "happy chosen few" god, I tell you. If any god behaves the way you are describing, I seriously would want to overthrow it or at least kick its ass! Even if gods and paradise were just some cooked up idea that didn't exist, I'd still like to hope here were better than it currently is rather than spend all my time hoping for some blissful existence in some imaginary afterwards that only those who believe what I believe would enjoy. The thought of enjoying while the entire rest of the supposed Lord God's human creation is exterminated is just repugnant to me. And to be honest, nothing about it sounds jesusy at al.

alBHAGDADI:


Your faith made you well is quite different from when Jesus said "I will raise it up".

The woman's faith in Jesus enabled the healing process, same way our faith in Jesus saves us. But in the case of Jesus saying "I will raise it up", he was simply stating it that he has the power to resurrect himself. Please stop being clever by half by twisting scriptures.

Yes, God raised him up and that God includes Jesus and His Father. Otherwise Jesus won't be using words like I will, I have... That would have likened him to Satan who fell after those four I he used when speaking about raising his throne up to God's level.


John 10:18

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus received the commandment from the Father which attests to my stance that there is an heirachy in the Godhead. That's why he said he can't do anything of his one except what he sees his Father doing. This means that if his father can raise him up, then he can raise himself up too.

That's why he made the below statement.

John 14:11

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

His Father did. Galatians 1:1

Its hard for unbelievers to Grab. That's why the apostles need to witness that Jehovah raised his son .

Jesus CRIED and SHED TEARs to the one who was able to save him from death - who ? Hebrew 5:7
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