budaatum:

People who walk with 'grace' do not go about condemning others. Jesus specifically taught against such arrogant attitudes in his lessons about the Pharisee and the tax collector, the rich man and poor woman tithing, and the Good Samaritan, to mention a few, but I guess they were lessons for the living, now, the birds and the bees so to speak, those more concerned with what they see before them in the here and now, and not for those who are more concerned about some afterlife in some eternity that they know nought of!

Just in case you really are not aware, Chidany (I notice you used a different mon, lol). Those three threads of your's I referenced are "holier than anyone" threads. Those in grace do not go about thanking their gods that they are "better than that tax collector over there" unless they wish to gnash on their teeth!

Chidorx60:
I am not chidany, but chidorx60 and I have only written one thread on religion, obviously I am not who you are referring to.

budaatum:

Accept my apology for mixing the two of you up. My analysis was of chidany, and not of you, Chidorx60, as you've rightly pointed out.

Chidorx60:
apology accepted

Zoroaster:
Smh...some people just lack the ability to think critically and unfortunately nothing can be done about it

HappyPagan:

Cool opinion. Why do you think so?


What creations? Everything you see around you was designed by man - the device in your hand, the network through which you are able to communicate, the letters you see and type, the language you speak. What did God design? What is God's purpose?


Does God exist, because an airplane or bird does?


Did God come by mindless chance?


What's your argument for God's existence? You are just ranting.

TATIME:
Atheism means the act of discarding any form of obedience to rules set by someone other than oneself!
So there are billions of misinformed atheists claiming Christians today! How do i mean?
When someone claims to believe in One God but refuting the idea of a single source of divine instruction, then what such a person is saying INDIRECTLY is there are many Gods or there is NO God at all!
The emergence of countless religious groups all claiming Christians yet having conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings is nothing but atheism.
An average atheist simply just don't want anything or anybody to dictate for him how he should live his life. So since there are countless religious groups allowing people to choose how they're going to live their lives whether it's negatively affecting others or not is tantamount to ATHEISM!

Chidany:


You created yourself? You breastfed yourself? You nursed yourself? Infact you are your own God? And if we have people impersonating you, that should mean you do not exist? Abi? You are the one supplying yourself the oxygen you are depending on now to continue to promote MADNESS

TATIME:
WRONG!
I'm one of about 8 million zealous preachers and teachers of the good new of God's kingdom by this special grace of God. So you misunderstood me completely.
Next time Sir try to be "QUICK in listening but SLOW in response and SLOW to ANGER" James 1:19
God bless you!

budaatum:
Tatime, when did you convert,? Lol!

Chidany:


THERE WAS NO GOOD NEWS IN WHAT YOU POSTED... IF I UNDERSTOOD ANYTHING FROM WHAT YOU POSTED, IT WAS A TEACHING ON ATHEISM...I SAW NO GOOD NEWS THERE...

TATIME:
My misinformed churchgoer friend is just soliloquizing without getting the sense of my post.
You of all people budaatum should know that i'm a die hard Christian to the cure and nothing as in NOTHING can sway me from the faith i have in Christ Jesus! Romans 8:38,39
What i'm trying to help him realize is that there are much more atheists going to churches than those claiming atheists!
Because there is just one reason people to discard the idea of continuous obedience to one single source of guidance and that's ATHEISM! Even though they're claiming to be worshippers of God,their actions is saying there is no God! If there is One God, then all HIS worshippers throughout the globe must worship the same way!
That's why when it comes to true Christianity, false religious groups will hate us with passion! Matthew 10:22, John 17:14

budaatum:

Of course I know you are a die hard Christian to the core. That's why it's amusing that you are being called an atheist by a so called Christian.
Atheism, however, does not mean "the act of discarding any form of obedience to rules set by someone other than oneself", though. You know me to be an atheist, but I do not think you would claim I do not obey some rules. Or would you claim buda is not a little bit mild tempered, at least?

I'll come back on some of your later posts when I get home. Meanwhile, please put some Christ into that mistaken Chidany please.

TATIME:
Who is buda again ooooo? I only use to see posts from a Nairalander with the user name budaatum.

budaatum:

I'm not exactly going to refer to myself by my full name!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm you see,when i define ATHEISM for you you disagreed, but now you're going back to my definition! Which is "zero compliance to continuous instructions from others".

TATIME:
Atheism means the act of discarding any form of obedience to rules set by someone other than oneself!

TATIME:
If you're budaatum and you're claiming you do be obedient to some rules,please
*is such rule binding on others?
*can you present a written document so that others can read through to agree with the rules?
*should each person be guided individually by his/her own (buda rules)?

TATIME:
Most churchgoers are ATHEISTS because they think each person can choose the source of guidance that's pleasing to him/her.

TATIME:
True faith is about ONE single source of guidance for all worshippers globally! !

TATIME:
Now after reading and meditating on those quoted scriptures,do you think people warring and killing one another due to ethnic,racial or political differences are Christians?
NO! Is the answer budaatum. They're misinformed atheists thinking they're worshiping the same God "JESUS" 2Corinthians 4:4 compared to Matthew 7:21-23
Thanks!

budaatum:

So, let's start with your definition of atheist, shall we?


Are you suggesting I get to decide all by myself whether I insult you or not, whether I steal from others or murder them, or be a gay or not and so on? Then, yes. I do set my own rules, just as billions of many others do. I can insult you if I want, murder you and steal from you if I want and be gay or not, if I want, and trust me, no heaven or hell will fall on my head! Except there's one little problem. Some of those things listed above are just not acceptable in decent society, and those societies have laws written down listing the consequences of doing those things which if I disregard or treat with "zero compliance" will reward me with consequences that I might not like.

If I murder or steal, society will throw me in jail, and if I insult you, you will most likely insult me right back. I don't think I'd like you to insult me please, but we are not insulting one another because we are "obedient to some rule", least, I'm not. I am not insulting you because I currently have no reason to insult you, period.


First, the phrase "obedient to some rules" is religion speak which does not quite express my atheistic position.

I, buda, am not "obedient to some rules" as such. I have a brain in my head and a mind that helps me weigh up the consequences of my actions and which determines my behaviour. I do not kill people because I have no desire or reason to kill people, and I don't insult people unless there is a need for me to insult them.

Now, to your questions above. No, my rules are not binding on others. The fact that I do not kill or insult people does not mean others will not kill or insult people. Go to any prison and you'd find lots of people who care not for no kill rules.

For some, so called rules, I guess I can "present a written document so that others can read through". 'Thou shalt not commit murder' is statutory law in most countries, as is 'not steal'. I'll struggle finding a written document against insulting however, but would suggest it's an unwritten etiquette at the very least. Getting others to "agree with the rules" might be tricky though. People are going to chose if they kill, steal or insult all by themselves. The best I can do is educate, or preach, as religious people do, and punish when laws are broken.

Each person is already "guided individually by his/her own (buda rules)", and even the so called rule upholders break rules. We hope people learn from the society around them and the laws and education and religion we give them but its ultimately down to them whether they obey or not.


This is an example of a 'rule' (of definition, in this case) that you will not find agreement for!

The pastor who rapes children is not an atheist TATIME nor is the Imam who shouts allah akbar before blowing up people an atheist!


For all worshippers, maybe, but not in the real world where one person follows Paul and another follow Apollos, and that's just amongst Corinthians. In the real global world where there's been thousands of sources we all just don't get our guidance from one source!


That's like saying those Israelites who were freed out of Egypt who went on to storm the walls of Jericho and murder and pillage it's people were not Israelites. Or that when Bush said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, he stopped being a Christian! Or that when Jehovah Witnesses and Protestants and Catholics engage in war in thread after thread on Nairaland, that they are not all Christians!

It's ok to insist that a word means whatever one wishes it to mean, Tatime, but that would be like speaking in tongues with no one to decipher what you're saying. Another word for it is humpty-dumptyism, the discarding of accepted definitions (rules) and obedience to those set by only oneself. If buda did that, buda will become budatalkingtoherself since no one would have a clue what the heck she's written!

Falling as a Christian does not make you an atheist, Tatime. To be one of us, the gods are figments of the imagination.

TATIME:
Haaaaaaaaaaaa all these for me Budaatum i'm sorry if i've offended you oooo.

budaatum:

No! You have not in anyway whatsoever offended me! You in fact deserved my time because you brought your brain to the table and I can only hope I have shown you equal respect and regard.

You, Tatime, are most highly appreciated, and I'm talking, tears in eyes appreciated, emotional buda that I am.

TATIME:
# budaatum, The rules or constitution set by the society is FORCING people to adhere to some forms of standard. But we're not talking about forceful rules but what you WILLINGLY submit to as principles that's really beneficial for all. ATHEISM gives NO room for such,that's why billions of atheists after choosing out of the countless presented religious groups the one that is PLEASING to them,claims they're doing so for God! While those who can't find the one that's pleasing starts another one and begin looking for those with the same mindset to join! The ONE and ONLY true God presents HIS own standard, and all those who complies HE commands HIS angels to pen down their names for remembrance, when HE is ready to cleanse the earth, they'll be rewarded for their compliance. Malachi 3:16 compared to Revelations 20:15

TATIME:
#budaatum: We're Jehovah's Witnesses, our source of guidance is ONE,that's why we're just like one happy global family. All other religious groups hate us with passion because we're shining as illuminators of the light while they're helplessly agitating because they don't want to agree with ONE single source of divine guidance! Matthew 10:22, John 17:14

budaatum:

I guess some just aren't bothered about the so-called "reward for compliance". But does not everyone "who can't find the one that's pleasing start another one and begin looking for those with the same mindset to join"? If that weren't the case would everyone not still just accept one of the more early religions like Mithraism or Zeus worship or Judaism or Buddhism? Yet here we are with new ones like Catholicism, Protestantism, Islamism, and Jehova Witnessing, all less than 2000 years old.

No one forces anyone to adhere to rules or constitution or forms of standard set by society. If I want to kill someone, I just, of my own freewill, go out and kill someone. Society might frown on my so doing however. And I'm sure, given the opportunity, the person I kill will frown just as much as I would if I were the one killed and could frown after dying.

budaatum:

Every single religion claims other religious groups hate them with passion because they are illuminators shining the light while everyone else is helplessly agitating because they don't want to agree with one's own divine guidance from one's own single source. Makes one wonder if religion encourages the persecution complex.

Perhaps everyone should learn to live and let live rather than go about with a "we are the happy chosen few, everyone else is damned" complex. After all, if you and I thought the other were damned, we'd hardly be bringing each other to tears now, would we?

TATIME:

That's why i said you need to meditate thoroughly on every information you receive before you can fully understand the brain behind ATHEISM.
For instance, Adam and Eve were the first human couple to live on planet earth but an average atheist will prefer any other form of information because he/she doesn't want to comply with anything called divine instruction!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm well let's iron that out with our intellect! You're an atheist, your preferred God is Buddha(Oriental), some of your folks preferred Zeus(Greece) e.t.c Yet you aren't criticising one another to the point of public assault or instigating the authorities against one specific group. Moreover all other groups though may not truthfully be in agreement with one another but NONE is saying "we're the one and only source of divine guidance"
Jehovah's Witnesses have been experiencing such criticism from day one! For instance
*Cain murdered Abel because Abel's worship was preferred.
*All the nations around the Mediterranean hated Israelites because they claim to be the only nation worshipping the TRUE God. Israelites won't marry their children nor give them their daughter.During their festivities Israelites won't send delegates.
*While all others fights due to lands,resources and politics, they usually form alliance against Jehovah's Witnesses because they're standing out.
*None of them is interested in pure worship, they only believe in interfaith but Jehovah's Witnesses won't worship with those not worshiping JEHOVAH!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm well let's iron that out with our intellect!
You're an atheist, your preferred God is Buddha (Oriental), some of your folks preferred Zeus (Greece) e.t.c
Yet you aren't criticising one another to the point of public assault or instigating the authorities against one specific group.
Moreover all other groups though may not truthfully be in agreement with one another but NONE is saying "we're the one and only source of divine guidance"
Jehovah's Witnesses have been experiencing such criticism from day one! For instance
*Cain murdered Abel because Abel's worship was preferred.
*All the nations around the Mediterranean hated Israelites because they claim to be the only nation worshipping the TRUE God. Israelites won't marry their children nor give them their daughter.
During their festivities Israelites won't send delegates.
*While all others fights due to lands,resources and politics, they usually form alliance against Jehovah's Witnesses because they're standing out.
*None of them is interested in pure worship, they only believe in interfaith but Jehovah's Witnesses won't worship with those not worshiping JEHOVAH!

MuttleyLaff:
The real mumu is you and those other two, that liked your ignorant comment

That is a picture of the statue of Siddhartha Gautama, known as The Buddha,
who happened to be a spiritual teacher in the northern region of India.

The three of you are the only ones who dont know that Buddhists are atheists.
They don't believe in God and gods, don't worship a God or god.