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Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 5:07pm On Jan 11
9inches:
A simple name would do here.
Why? Do you need numbers? Would you take my word for the name I give you?

I am an atheist, and I have told you my view. It is a view that is held by many, some atheists, and some theists, and not unique to either.


"Turtles all the way down" is an expression of the problem of infinite regress. The saying alludes to the mythological idea of a World Turtle that supports the earth on its back. It suggests that this turtle rests on the back of an even larger turtle, which itself is part of a column of increasingly large turtles that continues indefinitely (i.e., "turtles all the way down" ).

Re: Your Beliefs by HellVictorinho(m): 5:11pm On Jan 11
budaatum:

There's sufficient sample for you to poll. Set up a thread and ask.
What!!!!!
Are you a creationist?
I never imagined such.
Hm......My formula has nothing to do with god-theories anyway.
The Existential Constant is a phenomenal quantity but it never created anything and it can't be personified.
It can't possess any personal quality.

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Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 5:12pm On Jan 11
9inches:


Perhaps you haven't read The Grand Design.
Did he say anything different here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88kC2Nx8M
I haven't read Grand Design. However, did you listen to his elaborate description of his "nothing"?

It sounded like quite a lot of 'something', to me!
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 5:14pm On Jan 11
HellVictorinho:

What!!!!!
Are you a creationist?
I never imagined such.
Hm......My formula has nothing to do with god-theories anyway.
The Existential Constant is a phenomenal quantity but it never created anything and it can't be personified
It can't possess any personal quality.
How can I possibly be a creationist when I have argued against the existence of a creator all along?

All I know is that things exist. So perhaps call me an existentialist, if anything.
Re: Your Beliefs by HellVictorinho(m): 5:17pm On Jan 11
budaatum:

How can I possibly be a creationist when I have argued against the existence of a creator all along?

All I know is that things exist. So perhaps call me an existentialist, if anything.
Just wondering.
Your argument with 9inches was really long.

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Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 5:22pm On Jan 11
HellVictorinho:

Just wondering.
Your argument with 9inches was really long.
Follow carefully. It's interesting too.
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 5:46pm On Jan 11
9inches:
A simple name would do here.
Do note, atheists do no accept that creators exist. If they did exist, they'd have to have existed ad infinitum, an argument theists illogically try to constrain with their timeless gods despite they being the ones to start the "something must come from something" idea in the first place! In retort, the atheist starts seeing turtles and asks, "what created gods?"

An atheist would claim something existed out of which the current something that exists came from. It however does not imply creation, just as water melting does not imply the water created the ice.
Re: Your Beliefs by LordReed(m): 8:05pm On Jan 11
9inches:
Oh. Whose observation?

Scientists. What is the purpose of this pedantic rigmarole? You already know the answers so what is your aim?
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 9:24pm On Jan 11
LordReed:


Scientists. What is the purpose of this pedantic rigmarole? You already know the answers so what is your aim?
He's trying to be coy, I think.
Re: Your Beliefs by LordReed(m): 9:48pm On Jan 11
budaatum:

He's trying to be coy, I think.

Well he's lost me then.
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 10:52am On Jan 12
budaatum:

Why? Do you need numbers? Would you take my word for the name I give you?

I am an atheist, and I have told you my view. It is a view that is held by many, some atheists, and some theists, and not unique to either.


"Turtles all the way down" is an expression of the problem of infinite regress. The saying alludes to the mythological idea of a World Turtle that supports the earth on its back. It suggests that this turtle rests on the back of an even larger turtle, which itself is part of a column of increasingly large turtles that continues indefinitely (i.e., "turtles all the way down" ).

I completely understand your belief, I'm only curious to know if you know any atheist that shares your exact belief. That'z all.
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 11:41am On Jan 12
budaatum:

I haven't read Grand Design. However, did you listen to his elaborate description of his "nothing"?

It sounded like quite a lot of 'something', to me!

You captured it quite accurately. He was describing something as nothing to support his something from nothing argument.

Luke 10:21
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 11:49am On Jan 12
budaatum:

Do note, atheists do no accept that creators exist. If they did exist, they'd have to have existed ad infinitum, an argument theists illogically try to constrain with their timeless gods despite they being the ones to start the "something must come from something" idea in the first place! In retort, the atheist starts seeing turtles and asks, "what created gods?"

An atheist would claim something existed out of which the current something that exists came from. It however does not imply creation, just as water melting does not imply the water created the ice.

You probably are lying when you say atheistS since you can't say who they are. Perhaps you are making stuff up on the go, just like HellVictorinho but a little saner. grin

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Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 12:03pm On Jan 12
9inches:


You captured it quite accurately. He was describing something as nothing to support his something from nothing argument.

Luke 10:21
His nothing was not something, and I am sure you know that!
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 12:03pm On Jan 12
9inches:


You probably are lying when you say atheistS since you can't say who they are. Perhaps you are making stuff up on the go, just like HellVictorinho but a little saner. grin
Ok!
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 12:13pm On Jan 12
LordReed:


Scientists. What is the purpose of this pedantic rigmarole? You already know the answers so what is your aim?
You're right I'm sorry, but I had to be sure to avoid being misled by my gut feeling.

Remember this?

9inches:
A. A truth may be self-evident e.g. the whole is greater than its part.... in which case we are said to have intuitive knowledge of it; or
B. a truth may not be self-evident, but deducible from premises in which it is contained. Such knowledge is termed reasoned knowledge; or
C. a truth may be neither self-evident nor deducible from premises in which it is contained, yet the intellect may be obliged to assent to it because It would else have to reject some other universally accepted truth;
D. a truth may rest on grave authority, even though it might not be evident in itself. Here, the intellect may be induced to assent to a truth for none of the reasons in A, B and C. For example, we accept the statement that the sun is 90,000,000 miles distant from the earth because competent, veracious authorities vouch for the fact.

This last kind of knowledge (D) is termed faith, and is clearly necessary in daily life. If the authority upon which we base our assent is human and therefore fallible, we have human and fallible faith; if the authority is Divine, we have Divine and infallible faith.


That's how you should start approaching evidences so you don't limit yourself to only the truths you could see or perceive.
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 12:18pm On Jan 12
budaatum:

His nothing was not something, and I am sure you know that!
Tell me what it was... Nothing?
Re: Your Beliefs by LordReed(m): 12:19pm On Jan 12
9inches:
You're right I'm sorry, but I had to be sure to avoid being misled by my gut feeling.

Remember this?


And?
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 12:20pm On Jan 12
budaatum:

Ok!
Ajo nwa! wink
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 12:21pm On Jan 12
LordReed:


And?
You succumb to authority now?
Re: Your Beliefs by HellVictorinho(m): 12:25pm On Jan 12
9inches:


You probably are lying when you say atheistS since you can't say who they are. Perhaps you are making stuff up on the go, just like HellVictorinho but a little saner. grin
You are the embodiment of idiocy.
Re: Your Beliefs by LordReed(m): 12:26pm On Jan 12
9inches:
You succumb to authority now?

This is just an unnecessary rigmarole.

LordReed:


What a gross mischaracterization. We do not accept that the sun is 1AU away because scientists said so. We accept it because the methods they used are repeatable and the results can be verified by others. Don't equate our acceptance of scientific facts with your unfounded faith.
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 12:50pm On Jan 12
9inches:
Tell me what it was... Nothing?


My previous should be "his nothing was something". Quite a lot of things to be precise. Hawking described it in the video you posted.
Please watch it 9.
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 12:52pm On Jan 12
9inches:


You probably are lying when you say atheistS since you can't say who they are. Perhaps you are making stuff up on the go, just like HellVictorinho but a little saner. grin
Lordreed has been telling you the same thing, that creators do not exist. Or is it your preferred belief that atheists lie?
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 1:08pm On Jan 12
Stephen Hawking on The Origin of the Universe
Re: Your Beliefs by HellVictorinho(m): 1:09pm On Jan 12
budaatum:

Ok!
Are you really doing this?
This dude is just determined to impress you and it seems like he is getting there.
Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 1:17pm On Jan 12
HellVictorinho:

Are you really doing this?
This dude is just determined to impress you and it seems like he is getting there.
You know me lol.
If a person has a brain, I never tire. It's those who refuse to use their brains that I ignore. And I daresay, 9inches has a brain even though I might quibble only a tiny bit about how he use of it.

Anyway, I'm offline this afternoon. Going to do some gardening!
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 6:24am On Jan 13
budaatum:

His nothing was not something, and I am sure you know that!
I don't know that. What was his nothing again?
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 6:27am On Jan 13
HellVictorinho:

You are the embodiment of idiocy.
E pain am grin
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 6:40am On Jan 13
LordReed:
This is just an unnecessary rigmarole.

No sir, it's not.

LordReed:
What a gross mischaracterization. We do not accept that the sun is 1AU away because scientists said so. We accept it because the methods they [scientists] used are repeatable and the results can be verified by others [a.k.a quacks]. Don't equate our acceptance of scientific facts with your unfounded faith.

As long as scientists postulate and "others" whom you (also) have faith in, verifies... you will accept! The postulation doesn't involve you at all, but somehow you accept it.
Tell me if I misconstrued anything here.
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 6:43am On Jan 13
budaatum:



My previous should be "his nothing was something". Quite a lot of things to be precise. Hawking described it in the video you posted.
Please watch it 9.
What he described in the video is something. Could you explain it otherwise?
Re: Your Beliefs by 9inches(m): 6:48am On Jan 13
budaatum:

Lordreed has been telling you the same thing, that creators do not exist. Or is it your preferred belief that atheists lie?
Not only him, HellVictorinho and others too. I'm waiting for them to make a logical case why they are right.

I don't think atheists lie necessarily. I think they just don't know the truth. Many atheists I know are noble people in my opinion. Sam Harris comes to mind.

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