9inches:
Not only him, HellVictorinho and others too. I'm waiting for them to make a logical case why they are right.

I don't think atheists lie necessarily. I think they just don't know the truth. Many atheists I know are noble people in my opinion. Sam Harris comes to mind.

Make a case for what? Rather its you making a case for a god.

9inches:
E pain am

And it's making you insane.

HellVictorinho:

Are you really doing this?
This dude is just determined to impress you and it seems like he is getting there.

Arrogance doesn't help your argument. Do better, check your biases as they may overwhelm your ability to argue constructively. You could actually know who values a good conversation to trash out truth and make life better, versus who enters a conversation with an ulterior agenda and wouldn't just LISTEN.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymajOjVQPm4

9inches:

Arrogance doesn't help your argument. Do better, check your biases as they may overwhelm your ability to argue constructively.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymajOjVQPm4

Your ability to make sentences like this means nothing to me.
And you have been the epitome of arrogance.
You keep acting like no one can challenge you unless he or she is ready to dance to your tunes.

LordReed:


Make a case for what? Rather its you making a case for a god.

Make a case for their own beliefs as I'm making mine.

HellVictorinho:

And it's making you insane.

I like you!

9inches:
Make a case for their own beliefs as I'm making mine.

Belief in what? The only belief we are interested in is that of gods which we reject so what belief are we supposed to making a case for?

9inches:
I like you!

Hallelujah!!!

HellVictorinho:

Your ability to make sentences like this means nothing to me.
And you have been the epitome of arrogance.
You keep acting like no one can challenge you unless he or she is ready to dance to your tunes.

I don't know about you but I see no problem with "acting like no one can challenge you". The issue is what do you do when that challenge comes. The way you conveniently dismiss arguments you don't like is a good example of your arrogance and dishonesty.

LordReed:


Belief in what? The only belief we are interested in is that of gods which we reject so what belief are we supposed to making a case for?

Belief in anything they believe in.

Edit: The belief that cause you to reject God.

9inches:
In anything they believe in.

It won't be relevant to discussion of the existence of gods.

LordReed:


It won't be relevant to discussion of the existence of gods.

I edited the post.

9inches:
Belief in anything they believe in.

Edit: The belief that cause you to reject God.

Its not a belief that caused me to reject belief in god, it was a whole lot of reasons but primarily the lack of unequivocal evidence for any interacting god or gods.

9inches:
I don't know about you but I see no problem with "acting like no one can challenge you". The issue is what do you do when that challenge comes. The way you conveniently dismiss arguments you don't like is a good example of your arrogance and dishonesty.

These statements are inconsequential.
And if I can help you to understand that it is critically stupid for anyone to criticize me stupidly,you should be thankful.
I don't just dismiss arguments that are baseless.
I actually point out the illogical statements made by the other party, which makes the debate an exercise in futility.

9inches:
What he described in the video is something. Could you explain it otherwise?

Is that not what I said, 9? Did I not call it "a lot of something"? Or did you not see the correction?

Why should I explain it any further when you've finally got the point, 9, that Hawking never meant "something came from nothing" because "something always comes from something". As the saying goes, "you need eggs to make omelettes", you can't make them out of thin air.

9inches:
Not only him, HellVictorinho and others too. I'm waiting for them to make a logical case why they are right.

I don't think atheists lie necessarily. I think they just don't know the truth. Many atheists I know are noble people in my opinion. Sam Harris comes to mind.

So you know atheists do no accept the idea of creators! And you know that atheists are not in any way claiming something came from nothing!

9, please do not make me treat you as I do people who do not use their brains. Is it not you who believes that something came from nothing?

9inches:
Make a case for their own beliefs as I'm making mine.

This is exactly the issue. You think atheists believe like you do! Or in you words, you think that's others deify their subjective opinion like you do!

I guess that's why you miss Hawkin saying, anything said about the state of things before the big bang is conjecture, and not a thing to be believed.

LordReed:


Belief in what? The only belief we are interested in is that of gods which we reject so what belief are we supposed to making a case for?

You reject belief in gods? Me too.

But if you mean God, then I'd say you're supposed to be making a case for rejecting God.

HellVictorinho:

Hallelujah!!!

Happy Sunday. May the Force be with you and your family.

9inches:
You reject belief in gods? Me too.

But if you mean God, then I'd say you're supposed to be making a case for rejecting God.

All gods remain gods to me, there is nothing that makes yours require a special appellation. The case for rejecting all gods has already been made, no unequivocal evidence.

LordReed:


It won't be relevant to discussion of the existence of gods.

Let's find out.

9inches:
Let's find out.

I believe that chocolate is the best icecream flavour.

LordReed:


Its not a belief that caused me to reject belief in god, it was a whole lot of reasons but primarily the lack of unequivocal evidence for any interacting god or gods.

The lack of unequivocal evidence for any interacting god or gods formed your belief in no god or gods? Me too.

9inches:
The lack of unequivocal evidence for any interacting god or gods formed your belief in no god or gods? Me too.

Good for you!

HellVictorinho:

These statements are inconsequential.
And if I can help you to understand that it is critically stupid for anyone to criticize me stupidly,you should be thankful.
I don't just dismiss arguments that are baseless.
I actually point out the illogical statements made by the other party, which makes the debate an exercise in futility.

What made the statements inconsequential?

9inches:

What made the statements inconsequential?

Read further.
My reply did not end there.

budaatum:

Is that not what I said, 9? Did I not call it "a lot of something"? Or did you not see the correction?

Why should I explain it any further when you've finally got the point, 9, that Hawking never meant "something came from nothing" because "something always comes from something". As the saying goes, "you need eggs to make omelettes", you can't make them out of thin air.

My bad. Got it.

budaatum:

This is exactly the issue. You think atheists believe like you do! Or in you words, you think that's others deify their subjective opinion like you do!

I guess that's why you miss Hawkin saying, anything said about the state of things before the big bang is conjecture, and not a thing to be believed.

Everyone has belief(s).

LordReed:


All gods remain gods to me, there is nothing that makes yours require a special appellation. The case for rejecting all gods has already been made, no unequivocal evidence.

Same here, all gods remain gods to me as well. I don't have any gods that require special appellation. I did make such case myself in one of my earlier posts..

9inches:
Everyone has belief(s).

I believe I will wake up tomorrow too, 9, I even believe there was a yesterday, but to believe what likely happened 20 Zillion years ago? That's a bit too much for me, 9. If buda thinks buda beliefs correspond in any way to what happened so long ago buda would be God. Some of us don't cook up nonsense in our head and say, "Yes, that is exactly how it is, I say so!"

'I don't know', is a third option.

9inches:
Same here, all gods remain gods to me as well. I don't have any gods that require special appellation. I did make such case myself in one of my earlier posts..

Good for you!

Listen to this guy.

HellVictorinho:

The brain of the designer must be cracked.

Its from:
Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God
As in, cook one up in their heads, right?