Pastor AIO:

I'm sick of this lame excuse.  Did Bernard Madoff force anybody to invest in his scheme?  Yet he is still in prison, rightly.  Why are the other scammers not with him.  

Alwaystrue:

@DBR,
Tithing should not even be something we should argue about. There are lots of things in Christianity that we might not understand because we understand in parts and from time to time it dawns on us as we read the word of God.
Giving is key in Christianity no matter how we look at it and whichever form.
In the time of Paul, they sold their lands and houses and brought to the apostles feet and this importance cannot even be over-empasized when we look at the story of Ananais and Saphira and what befell them because of giving.
Giving 10% then should not be an issue if that is what the church requests. That is why we should go to bible-believing churches.
Let us all live our lives at the instance of the Holy Spirit. Then we will realise most of what we do, argue about are even all mundane.
May God help us all.
Cheers.


The Just shall live by faith.

DBR:

PASTORAIO,
urs is a classical example of Agent of evil disguised as angel of light, pastor indeed.
Y'all lyin that Jesus neva talked bout Tithe, or that pple shud do it.
Beta study to show urself approved b4 comin here to spew garbage i order to pollute pples mind.
Wats ma business with Madoff? Did he ask for ma tithe or anybody's?
He said to invest in a scheme. . which was a scam.
Except u sayin tithe is a scam,

Pastor AIO:

Bingo!! I'm saying that the tithe you're collecting in your church, and the one that that Image123 cannot specify exactly which one he is collecting, is a SCAM.
Why does this seem like such a sudden revelation to you? You can't be that dim-witted. That is what I and others have been saying since.

Alwaystrue:

Guys,
Take it easy.
DBR, AIO and all, we do not need to go to this level.
We have different view points and as such this should not lead to hurling insults at each other.
Our having divergent views should not lead to mudslinging.
Peace,

Alwaystrue:

Guys,
Take it easy.
DBR, AIO and all, we do not need to go to this level.
We have different view points and as such this should not lead to hurling insults at each other.
Our having divergent views should not lead to mudslinging.
Peace,

Quote from: DBR on Today at 09:07:34 AM
And if all pastors have it, how is it your business, did they force u to pay for it??
Or is it YOUR tithe that they used in buyin it, right?. .oh, u dont even pay it, so wat is your problem?

Alwaystrue:

@Pastor AIO,
From the way you have read DBR's comment I can just imagine how you read your bible. You are yet to comment on the rest of the sentence:
'Except u sayin tithe is a scam,, '
No wonder the bible says the letter killeth.

ASTORAIO,
urs is a classical example of Agent of evil disguised as angel of light, pastor indeed.
Y'all lyin that Jesus neva talked bout Tithe, or that pple shud do it.
Beta study to show urself approved b4 comin here to spew garbage i order to pollute pples mind.
Wats ma business with Madoff? Did he ask for ma tithe or anybody's?
He said to invest in a scheme. . which was a scam.
Except u sayin tithe is a scam, and Jesus askin us to continue tithing is promoting scam.
U dont seem to know the implication of your commentaries o the matter.
Bringin stu.pid analogies to discredit the bible,Tithe,Pastors, and Jesus will take u no where. .

Wats ma business with Madoff? Did he ask for ma tithe or anybody's?

He said to invest in a scheme. . which was a scam.
Except u sayin tithe is a scam, and Jesus askin us to continue tithing is promoting scam.
U dont seem to know the implication of your commentaries o the matter.
Bringin stu.pid analogies to discredit the bible,Tithe,Pastors, and Jesus will take u no where

DBR:


Ok, it's a scam, go n call the police. . Navy, airforce. .army. . Waeva make u sleep well at night.

oNe

Alwaystrue:

Guys,
Take it easy.
DBR, AIO and all, we do not need to go to this level.
We have different view points and as such this should not lead to hurling insults at each other.
Our having divergent views should not lead to mudslinging.
Peace,

DBR:

OUR? Dont be decieived, these dudes arent Christians.

see gbegee. . .shebi i dey tell una se one day una go jam una match

ROTFLMLO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMIO   

DBR:

I feel your pain, seriously, i do.But dont do wat u r accusing pastors of, twisting the bible.

DBR:

@kunleOshob, am i discussin withbunch of juves here?

DBR:

@KunleOshob

As if poverty is next to Godliness. . all these talks is y'all just actiing pious.

Image123:

OH BOY E!
I don't think mostof the phobics go to church, they sound more like rosicrucians or the like to me, out here to deceive the gullible.
P.S, stop adding lol to your posts, they're not finding it funny at all.

DBR:

@KunleOshob

otherwiseu just throwin cheap tantrums,

God my belle won blow for laughter. DBR these fake dudes will frustrate you. . .they wont give up their dumbness.

Tonye-t:

see gbegee. . .una go talk nonsense so tee una see una match. . .na una don de give up

ROTFLMLO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMIO

OLAADEGBU:

He who fights and runs away . . .

. . .will still run away another day. . .and another day. . .and another day! gooosh Bro stop my ribs are aching already! Thanks for that vid. Zikkyy shebi u don hear am?

kokoye:

*siddon look*

Tonye-t:

. . .will still run away another day. . .and another day. . .and another day! gooosh Bro stop my ribs are aching already! Thanks for that vid. Zikkyy shebi u don hear am?

Alwaystrue:

Going through most of these threads on tithe, I[b] have come to realise these threads are started by people who do not tithe or plan to but they set up the threads as bait for 'tithers' and 'anti-tithers' to knock themselves out [/b] on what is right or wrong.
Its a real shame and will advise those who do not know what the brain behind these threads are hoping to achieve not to bother answering these questions.
Let the 'anti-tithers' (as coined from the threads) knock themselves out, they will tend to get bored when they see no one contradicting them and as such the thread dies a natural death.
Peace out!

Pastor AIO:

Mister man, I have not insulted anybody.  Not yet.  Far from it, I actually defended his intelligence by insisting that he[b] cannot[/b] be as dim-witted as he is trying so hard to portray himself.  DBR (taking the baton from Image123) came in here throwing insults left right and center.  It seems that throwing insults about is something that they learn in penterascal churches as they all seem to do it. 

We are talking about fraud and this guy brings in the argument that no one is being forced.  Even using the silly image of being forced at gun-point to the groin.   

@DBR
New testament believers are not required to pay tithe in any form. Tithing is not part of the christian faith taught by christ and handed down to us by the apostles. [/b]Titheing was first smuggled into the church in the year 585 AD well over 500 years after christianity was established. I suggest you do some independent research of this false doctrine devoid of your church leadership who would obviously be biased.

I never said anything about Jesus talking about tithe, and no one else here lied that Jesus never spoke about tithe.  We all know that he talked about tithed when he was addressing the pharisees. . . . 

Tithing as instructed to the Jews in the bible is not a scam, far from it, but a solid religious principle.  Tithing as taught to penterascals by penterascal rogues of preachers is a scam.  Do you get the difference?  There are no parallels, no similarities, no connection between the biblical tithe and the penterascal tithe.

This whole thread started with someone asking what the connection was between the penterascal tithe and the tithe in deuteronomy.  Thus far, no one has answered that question from the penterascal viewpoin

DBR is a liar, an evil distorter of truth and someone who either can't or won't follow a simple argument.  An idio.t even.  Either an idio.t on account of not being able to understand the bible, or an idio't on account of understanding it but thinking he is clever enough to twist it and get away with it as if God is not watching.  The second makes him an even bigger ideiot. 

imagine lumping his churches tithes and pastors together in one sentence with Jesus and the bible.Can you imagine this?!! 

And finally he confesses that he is a scammer and challenges me to do whatever I can do about it.  It's not me that is going to deal with you.  It is God.  You just enjoy your scam while it lasts. 

This is more than a matter of viewpoint.  There is nothing in common between the likes of DBR and myself. 
Yeah, keep the word christian.  I dash you.

Alwaystrue:

@kokoye/OP,
Really? You can go ahead and call me what you like. At least your true colors will start unfolding.
If you are truly a cheerful giver, why make the comments you made in previous pages and/or bring such question to this kind of forum? Since you pay 'more than tithes' and contribute to the church both home and abroad why then are you having issues with 10% of earnings?
Your obvious seeking for advice from nairaland shows who you intend to take instruction from then.
Let the Holy Spirit give you understanding through the word.
Anyway, keep up the good work of giving.
And like I said in my previous post, you have gotten your answer(s).
Cheers.

Alwaystrue:

@kokoye,
the issue of tithing on NL is like a sore-thumb on a baby. However, if I misunderstood you, I apologise.
Trying to get answers from NL on biblical issues is not adviceable as the thread is open to believers and unbelievers alike.
Going through previous topics on tithe and others on chritianity generally is enough to prove that.
However, you are satisfied with Confetti's response so its ok.
Cheers.

Tonye-t:

. . .will still run away another day. . .and another day. . .and another day! gooosh Bro stop my ribs are aching already! Thanks for that vid. Zikkyy shebi u don hear am?

Pastor AIO:

menhhhh, I tire for this thread o! I don't think since KAG anybody on this forum has left me so incredulous about how they minds must be wired.

I take my bow and exit.

1. Jesus would definitely NOT condemn the tithing of the old testament as practised by the Pharisees, because it was given unto the Jews as a law/command/instruction to follow, with detailed description.

2. If Jesus meant for Christians to tithe, as described in the OT why didn't he give instructions on this? He gave detailed instructions on giving - doing good to your neighbour, giving in humility, the widow's mite, etc. If tithing is a 'requirement' in any form, why were there no teachings on this? Instead Jesus talked about sowing and reaping, and didn't mention a single one of the various 'offering' types that were in the OT.

3. Since the Levitical priesthood has now been superseded by Jesus' priesthood, what instructions are we given (in the bible) for who should 'receive' tithes in the form preached today? Please note that we are ALL priests now, not just the 'pastors'.

4. The gentiles would have little or no knowledge about the Jewish 'tithing system' so why didn't Paul or any of the other NT apostles lay down instructions on tithing if it was a practice for Christians to follow? They talked extensively about providing for ministers, about giving cheerfully among others, but NEVER once even mentioned tithes in reference to these items.

5. For those saying we should indeed tithe, which of the various tithes do you subscribe to? The first or the second tithe? How did you make this decision on which to adhere to? Is the first tithe more important than the second one or vice versa? How was this decision made?

6. Giving to God's work, be it 1% or 10% WILL receive a reward - that is what the principle of sowing and reaping teaches us. In that sense, I have no issues with people giving whatever percentage of their income to the church or to others they deem deserving. What I object to, is when the matter is taught as a necessity - it clearly is not

7. I do not object to teaching of tithing as a guide for giving, but it must never be construed as God's mandatory instruction to Christians.

"You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. "And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

24“Now when the Lord  your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

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24“Now when the Lord  your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

4. Share this feast with Levites (another time, also widows, orphans, strangers etc)