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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:03pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:


Accepting the existence of deities without proof makes you a theist or believer in deities' existence.

But the problem is that theists usually accept to be called theists yet claim to be aware of the proof of deities or a deity.



Have you heard of or seen any theist that has never worshipped or that never worships?


The question was

Is a person who acknowledges the existence of Deities but doesn't worship ANY an atheist or a theist?


Are Buddhists Atheists or Theists!?
They do not worship any god!
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:04pm On Jun 23, 2022
LordReed:


How many times do I need to answer the same question?
Because you are being evasive: can you tell me other things you LACK a BELIEF in other than God?
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:08pm On Jun 23, 2022
LordReed:


So how does that make ATHEISM disbelief if the A is simply without?

I think “lack of belief” falls under this

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:08pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:



Did you not see PERSON?
The important thing is the definition of LACK of a BELIEF!

A baby is a person and lacks any form of belief: but a baby is NOT an atheist just as a Dog cannot be an atheist!
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:09pm On Jun 23, 2022
TenQ:

The important thing is the definition of LACK of a BELIEF!

A baby is a person and lacks any form of belief: but a baby is NOT an atheist just as a Dog cannot be an atheist!

Correct.

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Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:09pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:


No he says babies can't be atheists so they can't lack belief.


Except he's saying only adult humans that lack belief in God are atheists.

So, babies that lack belief are not atheists or what exactly?
Babies actually lack any form of belief because they don't yet possess an intellectual capacity to form an opinion with respect to the existence of Deities
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:11pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:



Animals are not persons.... I know you don't refer to persons as animals in this case.....so, animals are not atheists.
The same reason an animal cannot be an atheist is the same reason a baby cannot be an atheist: yet both definitely LACK a BELIEF in the existence of any Deity!

The common ground is the low intellectual capacity of both babies and animals!
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:17pm On Jun 23, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


It is not right to say that they lack belief, the accurate Truth would be that they are incapable of holding a belief!
Therefore they lack a belief!

Babies don't have any belief about ANY Deity.

The definition of Atheism as a Lack of Belief is nonsensical and absurd at the same time.

Animals lack a belief in any deity just as babies lack a belief for exactly the same reason. Their intellectual capacity is too small and immature to take a reasonable position about any deity!

Atheism properly defined is a REJECTION of the idea of the existence of any Deity OR a DISBELIEF in the existence of any Deity BUT certainly not a LACK of BELIEF.

It takes either a zero intellectual capacity or a gnostic knowledge to claim a LACK of BELIEF in anything
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Dtruthspeaker: 8:26pm On Jun 23, 2022
TenQ:

Therefore they lack a belief!

There is no "they lack a belief" exactly it is not proper to say a 5 year old boy lacks a job in NNPC or BSC certificate.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:27pm On Jun 23, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


There is no "they lack a belief" exactly it is not proper to say a 5 year old boy lacks a job in NNPC or BSC certificate.

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 8:33pm On Jun 23, 2022
LordReed:


Well how do you know if someone is an atheist if they've never even thought about it talk less of even expressing it.




A person that has heard or read about God but doesn't believe is an atheist.

A person that has neither heard or read about and doesn't believe is also an atheist.


It's impossible to believe what you have not really recognized as a statement that is either true or false.


You also can't reject what you never recognized to be available for acceptance.


Literally,a baby or an infant is a person at the stage where there's no recognition of something to be accepted or rejected mentally as true or false.


So, you know the baby is an atheist because the baby can't recognize what means God exists or not.



The baby doesn't have to think about being an atheist.....it was never a theist.



Being an atheist doesn't mean thinking of being an atheist.



Adult atheists can think of other things.


Baby atheists don't think of things they can't process with their brains.

Atheists are people that don't think God exists.

They are not people that must be thinking of why God does not exist.


They don't have to state how God does not exist!


Their brains are to suggest that there's no thought worth God.


They are not meant to think when God is being discussed .

Not because their brains are useless but because they are yet to see or hear anything worth their brains about God


A baby expresses this by not pretending to have nothing to say or sincerely saying nothing while a non-baby always has something to say to express that God's existence is not worth thinking about.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:37pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:





A person that has heard or read about God but doesn't believe is an atheist.

A person that has neither heard or read about and doesn't believe is also an atheist.


It's impossible to believe what you have not really recognized as a statement that is either true or false.


You also can't reject what you never recognized to be available for acceptance.


Literally,a baby or an infant is a person at the stage where there's no recognition of something to be accepted or rejected mentally as true or false.


So, you know the baby is an atheist because the baby can't recognize what means God exists or not.



The baby doesn't have to think about being an atheist.....it was never a theist.



Being an atheist doesn't mean thinking of being an atheist.



Adult atheists can think of other things.


Baby atheists don't think of things they can't process with their brains.

Atheists are people that don't think God exists.

They are not people that must be thinking of why God does not exist.


They don't have to state how God does not exist!


Their brains are to suggest that there's no thought worth God.


They are not meant to think when God is being discussed .

Not because their brains are useless but because they are yet to see or hear anything worth their brains about God


A baby expresses this by not pretending to have nothing to say or sincerely saying nothing while a non-baby always has something to say to express that God's existence is not worth thinking about.

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 8:38pm On Jun 23, 2022
[quote author=Maynmann post=114094721][/quote]


TenQ


Look down

See the last kind of atheists


Which has babies in brackets
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 8:40pm On Jun 23, 2022
[quote author=Maynmann post=114095001][/quote]



Selective man


You didn't underline where you have babies in brackets under varities of atheists
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:40pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:



TenQ


Look down

See the last kind of atheists


Which has babies in brackets

Yes, agnostic.

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:41pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:




Selective man


You didn't underline where you have babies in brackets under varities of atheists

I’m saying same thing

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 8:42pm On Jun 23, 2022
Maynmann:


I’m saying same thing


We're saying the same thing.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:43pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:



We're saying the same thing.

Agnostic is not same as athiesm

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Dtruthspeaker: 8:45pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:

Also unreasonable and invalid to suggest a request for the impossible and ridiculous in my post.

You are talking to the wrong person, I made no request
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Dtruthspeaker: 8:49pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:

You suggest adults can choose not to believe.... how's that?

We have already seen how adults choose not to believe eg a man choosing not to believe that he is in love with a prostitute as proven by a thread in romance or so.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 8:54pm On Jun 23, 2022
Maynmann:


Yes, agnostic.
How can babies be atheists?
That means that all dogs are atheists?

Insane people are Atheists: do you agree with this?
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 8:57pm On Jun 23, 2022
TenQ:

How can babies be atheists?
That means that all dogs are atheists?

Insane people are Atheists: do you agree with this?

Where did you see me write that?

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 8:58pm On Jun 23, 2022
Maynmann:


Agnostic is not same as athiesm

Negative atheism is still atheism
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 9:00pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:


Negative atheism is still atheism

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 9:01pm On Jun 23, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


We have already seen how adults choose not to believe eg a man choosing not to believe that he is in love with a prostitute as proven by a thread in romance or so.


He might have said he chooses not to believe.


But that doesn't mean not believing is by choose.


If you don't believe, it's a matter of chance because the absence of a belief is accidental.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 9:02pm On Jun 23, 2022
[quote author=Maynmann post=114095612][/quote]

The writers are confused.


They still listed babies among atheists.....implicit soft atheists.
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 9:03pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:


The writers are confused.


They still listed babies among atheists.....soft atheists.


“Include”

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by TenQ: 9:05pm On Jun 23, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


There is no "they lack a belief" exactly it is not proper to say a 5 year old boy lacks a job in NNPC or BSC certificate.

The definition of Atheism as a Lack of Belief is nonsensical at best.

An insane person on the street may lack a belief in any Deity BUT is he an Atheist?

1. He is a person
2. He lacks a belief in any deity
All conditions for Atheism fulfilled according the LordReed , HellVictorinho4 and the OP- Bacteriologist


A human being in coma is also an Atheist!
1. He is a person
2. He lacks a belief in any deity
All conditions for Atheism fulfilled according the LordReed , HellVictorinho4 and the OP- Bacteriologist
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 9:08pm On Jun 23, 2022
Maynmann:



“Include”


Meaning referring to
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 9:09pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:



Meaning referring to

Agnostic

Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by HellVictorinho4(m): 9:09pm On Jun 23, 2022
Maynmann:



“Include”

Ok

Implicit soft atheists are babies and agnostics
Re: Dear Theists, This Is The Real Definition Of Atheism by Maynmann: 9:11pm On Jun 23, 2022
HellVictorinho4:


Ok

Implicit soft atheists are babies and agnostics

They are called agnostics, example are babies, you can see babies in bracket.

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