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Anas09:
You have no power to forgive my sins. The lower can not forgive the higher.

I obeyed the Holy Spirit not you. When he rebuked me, i accepted the rebuke and promised to apologise, He saw my sincerity, He restored my peace. So, whether you forgavee or not, didn't matter. What matters is that, i did what he asked and He forgave me.

Wowww, thank god another member (merahki) considered your apology graceless. When you go change na...

So you wouldn't have seen anything wrong with what you said(as usual), if the "HolySpirit" didn't tell you it was wrong?? What a nice Sense of Morality you have.

dalaman:
Where is the objective and incontrovertible evidence supporting the God of the bible as the only personal God around. Where is it?

I wonder ooo

KingEbukasBlog:
Prophets in Judaism were known to be very powerful and performed miracles - Elijah , Elisha etc . They rejected Christ's divinity in the sense that those miracles and extraordinary acts performed by Christ do not prove that He is God. Some ebionites accept the virgin birth and resurrection while some don't .

Powerful prophets like Elijah and Enoch were taken to Heaven by God so they must have believed that Christ's resurrection and ascension do not actually prove that Christ is God .

This is the first time I'm hearing this.
Please do post your source.

From what I've read oo.
Ebionites did not believe in virgin birth and the resurrection.
They considered Jesus as a man, that's why I said, a rabbi was probably decorated too much by the Romans.

If the ebionites didn't believe in Jesus divinity, then this should be evidence of eyewitness of another man or no eyewitness of Jesus.
Another would be that this were just popular fiction at that time.

They clearly were worshipping "Yahweh", therefore you would be considered heretic for believing that a mere man is your salvation, as propagated by the Romans.

KingEbukasBlog:
You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God

You sly guy why are you misrepresenting what I posted.

Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward.

I'm not an atheist

Please share your personal experience, for It to be considered.
Oh, I just remembered that I've asked you this before, and you couldn't, you only rely on "what other people said".

KingEbukasBlog:
Its funny how you give extremely poor reasons for rejecting a proposition then have the audacity to make conclusions - I'm very certain that you don't understand your own "rebuttal " . Maybe you should pay attention to what points 1 and 3 mean - since God has shown to have the freedom of will in creating the universe (having a beginning ) as an unembodied mind/consciousness then he can intervene in the affairs of the universe as a way of expressing that volition or freedom of will .

I implore you to retrace your steps to God . Your reasons for being in your current position are very very bad . You don't make any sense young man

You still don't get it. OMG
I am not arguing against freewill, as I mentioned a "transcendental mind", I would be contradicting myself if I do so.

I said there is no evidence of interaction. Please read again and stop posting nonsense.

KingEbukasBlog:
@4kings

Let me inject you with more sense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites

Here are sects that immediately came into existence after Christ's death . If there was no Christ , then these sects with differing views about Christ's divinity won't have been founded .

Christ died around AD 30-33 and the Ebionites were believed to have come into prominence around AD 70 - 40 years after Christ died . They regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity

You like embarrassing yourself...
Thats why I said a mere historical figure might have existed.
The ebionite never recognized the divinity of Jesus, but only saw him as a Messiah for jews.
If you are bringing them up for this argument(also considering the small years apart), then Jesus Christ was just a man.

KingEbukasBlog:
I've always known you to be very deluded and extremely ignorant so I'm not surprised

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-evidence-for-jesus

Please don't repeat this comment anywhere to save yourself from embarrassment ...biko!

Ebuka why you waste my time like this na...

What I read there were fallacies of "appeal to authority" without any shred of REASONABLE evidence, so much for its name "reasonable"

I'm not sure you actually read it, just take a look at their weak conclusion:

In summary, the gospels are not only trustworthy documents in general, but as we look at some of the most important aspects of Jesus in the gospels, like his radical personal claims, his miracles, his trial and crucifixion, and his resurrection, their historical veracity shines through. God has acted in history, and we can knowit.

SMH.

A historical figure(rabbi) MIGHT have existed, but there's still no CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE for the existence of Jesus the man of miracle and virgin birth.

Quote me with something reasonable next time.

MizMyColi:
Do you watch TV? Have you seen the series called Lucifer, does it even have a representation of what really is, or is it mere fiction also?

I also watch Lucifer, and it is just mere fiction.
But very funny.

Anas09:
Satan hides my dear. This is where he comes looking very refined and sophisticated. We still know him.

I know you would get out of this delusion, one day, I pray so in God's name...

Sarassin:
I think I know what you are driving at but I don’t fully agree. One’s reality is not predicated on belief, reality is dependent only on awareness. For instance I can “shift” your awareness using any one of several methods and completely distort your reality (not that I would) You don’t have to believe that this can happen to you….for it to happen. This is the very basis of Magical practices.

Hmm, I get what you are saying, but you are basing it on reality itself(as experiences or events occurred)

I was talking about one's "Perception" of this reality(experiences or events occurred).

The magician like you said can affect one's reality(experiences or awareness), but the magic(or trick in this case) would only take effect if the person's "Perception" of that reality(experience or that awareness) is changed towards his favor.

Though ones experience can sometimes change his "belief", but nonetheless "belief" is a key factor for one's "Perception of the experiences", and like you said "Reality in itself" is dependent on those experiences or awareness.

So the issue here is one's perception and not reality itself. Example is Anas09 attributing the stories you gave to be of the devil, some think it was psychological, but you on the other hand think it's just "spiritual" . Same experiences, different perception because of "belief"

I hope I made sense...

BTW, what methods are you talking about?

I like your thoughts on de ja vu

Thanks

hahn:
What did I do?

You just committed heresy, repent before his Kingdom comes.

benzics:
My thoughts though.. It could most likely be deja vu, thinking you already saw this happen..

But I don't know though, it's their experiences not mine, I do get deja vu's too

But is it a coincidence that things like this always happen to people who believe in them??

That's why I said belief is a strong force, one's perception of reality is as a result of belief, even mad men.
Though this does not discredit anything here..., as our "belief" might in turn be a barrier to letting the truth in...

De javu could also be a link to another dimension(parallel universes) when vibrating in same frequency... As taught by Michio Kaku

So we have to be open-minded and research more to know the truth.

Anas09:
Am so sorry for reacting to you the way i did. I was competely out of line. Its not my place to interfer with your life, i apologise.

The Holy Spirit rebuked me sternly and demanded that i apologise, i promised to do so when my battery comes alive. So, am sorry pls.

I hope am forgiven?

Wow HolySpirit, that's serious ooo, I must be so special

You are forgiven, go and sin no more...

Say hi to the HolySpirit for me next time...

By the way, what is the HolySpirit opinion on this issue...?

Anas09:
I see you.
When men hate God its because they want to go the other way. If you want the other way, just go and leave us alone.

All these people attacking Yahweh here and there, wants satan. Just have satan already and just be quiet about it.

If Satan's worshippers can just worship their Satan and keep away from Christians, i won't really have a problem, but you worship what you have chosen, but wont let me worship my Heavenly Father. Why nah?

4kings, from this day henceforth, choose to stop attacking Christians. Just keep on this your part. So help you Satan. Amen.

Where is "satan" coming from na...

I don't think anybody is talking about "worship" here...
Read carefully next time...

KingEbukasBlog:
Olodo , the properties of the First Cause deduced through Logic and reasoning correlate with the Christian conception of God ; philosophically and theologically too .

I think you mean "Principle" right?, however, this applies to other religions also.

Anyone can experience Jesus Christ - historical evidence and experiences from numerous believers and non believers support this .

non-believers like...?

List the bible verses

List the bible verses

Stop being dishonest.

What you are doing is called presupposition and it makes your argument not worthwhile to even respond to .

Haba, just that simple question, u no fit answer...

Calling yourself a freethinker is no carte blanche to elicit egregious thoughts; also seeing that there is no evidence for rationality in your thoughts .

This has to be the most daft objection to the existence of a Personal God . The worst ever

You are making dumb assertions with no reason to back it up . How you think you are a freethinker is beyond me !

If calling yourself a freethinker gives you the freedom of having foolish thoughts then I must say , it suits you
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Anyway , here are three reasons why I see God as a personal God


1. Imagine the law of cause and effect existing in timeless eternity . Example : 0 degree Celsius (cause ) , Frozen water (effect) . That means if this should take place in a timeless eternity then frozen water should always be . That is to say since God exists in timeless eternity as a cause , then the effect which is the universe should co-exist with God . But since the universe is created then it shows that God has the will to lead to its cause . And since it shows that God can act on Its own volition , then he is a personal God . A personal God is saliently implied in his timelessness and freedom of will since he set out and created a new effect which is the universe without any antecedent determining conditions .

This in no way, disproves what I said.

Ergo , God also has the freedom of will to intervene in the affairs of the universe and of men .

However, here's where the issue lies, that's why I chose not to use the word "personal God"

2. Another reason is that God I see God as a personal creator is that He has revealed Himself to mankind through Jesus Christ - historical evidence supports the existence of Christ . Christ interacted with men and intervened in the sense that He laid his life to save us from imminent danger . The miracles Christ performed prove that God is a personal creator - because miracles are interventions .

The Christ you know never existed, for goodness sake there is no contemporary record of the guy. I don't want to go over this long argument again.

3. The creator is an unembodied mind or consciousness involved in causal relation - brought the universe into being .

Still doesn't go against what I said.

You clearly didn't read what I posted, you just made assumptions, that's why you are posting these irrelevant points.
I brought up the idea of "personhood" which covers your 1st point.
I told you I don't completely agree with the idea of "personal or impersonal" God and tried to make a balance, which you didn't even address at all.

Only the second point and "interaction" which you mentioned, are relevant to what I said.
So let's get into it; of course the only evidence suitable for a personal God is experience, however your example(only reasonable one I know) "Jesus Christ" his existence is debatable, I've gone over this before here on NL.

Anyways, apart from Jesus, there's no evidence supporting a "personal God ", full stop.

babseg:
Olodo God was already in existence before the world which something was already there.

And let me tell you why I don't believe in the big bang and this is my argument. Let's see if you are smart enough. Well it will easier if you know number line and if not ask Google.

Let me know if you fully understand the number line . It's my own theory and I call it babseg theory to debunk the big bang theory

Can you share more light on this theory

First of all, the points raised are just speculations without reason.

KingEbukasBlog:
A maximally great being who created the universe should

1. Gives us moral laws in accordance to Its nature

Are these laws indwelling or sent by deluded men

2. Love unconditionally

I can't believe you actually picked this point.
Yahweh does not have unconditional love, the Bible itself proves this.

3. Be omnipotent , omnipresent , eternal , immutable , Perfect in nature , cognitively perfect

The Bible also disproves this.

4. Intervene in the universe

5. Interact and have personal relationships with humans (Reveal itself to man )

Etc .

Wow, so is he doing a good job, "intervening"?

You deserve an award for coining that term

Why do you think God is an impersonal creator ?

I told you I'm a freethinker ... Just keep this in mind then read.

"Personhood" and "Personal Creator" are two different things to me. Ok!
"Personhood", in this context just means the ability to "think" or a "transcendental mind"
Hold on, before you bite me, God's thinking Is in a different order, from ours, and interactions or demigods are far from what I'm saying.

An impersonal God is as good as an inanimate object, A personal God is delusion 100%

See, I don't like being at "extremes" but weird, Damn introvert.

God is an energy, has a mind and does not interact.
Therefore I can't put this into "Personal or Impersonal".

God is a "transcendental being".

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir I thought we are done with this argument .

Objective moral values and duties are what they are regardless of how they are performed .

You know where to discuss this https://www.nairaland.com/3553021/conclusion-atheism-illogical-atheist-delusion/

Pathetic...
Please read what you wrote again...

KingEbukasBlog:
Christian theism portrays best the expected nature of this maximally great being who created the universe .

How?

I incorporate so many views into my theories but I'm still a Christian

I know you get my point, so what the heck is this misrepresentation for

Go check for the meaning of "freethinker"

Ok, I'm a Freethinking Deist.

KingEbukasBlog:
With an open mind , Christianity is true - I have meditated with an open mind and I found Christianity to be true .

Please what were your reasons?

But you want to be seen as a freethinker

A freethinker can incorporate views from panendeism, pantheism, Gnosticism, Buddhism, mechanism, FSM and so on, gedit?

Deism does not fully cover my philosophy(apart from the God idea), so when discussing I like using "Freethinker" for the sake of simplicity.

byrron:

Hahn is very funny

KingEbukasBlog:
You didnt ask a question ooo

Please read again, I even ended with a question mark. Haba!

So are you a panendeist ?

I incorporate panendeistic views.
I'm beginning to hate labels.

KingEbukasBlog:
Someone says "open mind" and then thinks another possibility to get something is false or delusion . It looks like "open mind " has been redefined .

What makes you think that Gnosticism is true ?

With an open mind , Christianity is true

Simple question dey hard you to answer abi...

How ?

"Panendeism" - God part of nature but transcends it...
I thought I've answered this before.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol .You are funny sha .

You haven't given me a good reason to what makes Gnosticism special .

Seriously...
Anyways, do u take out time to just think(meditate) deeply on issues once in a while "with an open-mind"(without the delusion of HolySpirit ) just for the sake of TRYING to seek answers or truth(Gnosis ) ?
***Emphasis on Open-mind***

Do you think we can unify God and nature ?

We can.

KingEbukasBlog:
I can same about Christianity . A Muslim can say same about Islam .

So ...

Lmao, what sort of self-deception is this...

Why do you see God as supernatural ?

Beyond scientific understanding...

KingEbukasBlog:
Gnosticism predates Christianity , its a total movement on its own . Why do you think Gnosticism should be considered ?

Nice, at least you used the word "Considered", that's a step.

Its intensely Psychological and it seems it has lot of info on the mind.

Ok... Do you see God as supernatural ?

Yes

MrMontella:
the baba wan vanish like dat oo..

Johnydon22 sire...are you now married ??

Maybe he is or about to...

But that girl would have gotten drained off any form of logical fallacy.

Anas09:
Hmmmm.

Watsup...?
Is something wrong?

KingEbukasBlog:
What idea ?



Anything is tagged supernatural nowadays , so define supernatural

Shebi, I don give you link for this before, you even talk say you go check am for future discussion...
http://www.spiritofthescripture.com/

Anyways, "Supernatural" or "Spiritual" are words I use for events that are very rare and mystical(kind of) .. Nothing more

johnydon22:
But this is not in the least a rebuttal sir

Oga, you are very rare this days ooo, not even Science and Technology section.
Happy new year!

LoJ:
Hello 4kings, it is always a pleasure to read from you.

Thanks

There is a whole world of difference (in terms of spiritual maturity) between Sarassin and me, so what i will say applies to me only.

Illusions and delusions are challenges that mystics and spiritual men face. This is especially true for people like me who are still in the process of awakening and learning. So it is something we (I) are (am) well aware of, and careful about. It is also one of the reasons, I do not share the many other experiences I have had (or have).

For this reason, I maintain a skeptical stance and always struggle to validate the genuineness of an experience through independent objective elements/persons. For instance, since I am very young, I see the future or ask to "beings" about the outcome of an event, I record it, and wait for it to happen.

I now frequently see people who I did not know before with distinct features. I recently described to a Lady in Paris her Boyfriend, whom I had never seen with 100% accuracy. These are repeated examples of what I call objective independent elements of confirmation.

In addition, the fear of being wrong/ delusions is not in itself an answer to the problem. It is my perception that, fake (or self induced) visions and experiences are due to improper rooting and mental instability. The real solution is not to run away from thse experience, but to learn how to be grounded properly and be strong mentally.

I hope it helps.

Greetings.

Sarassin:
You ask a valid question. Carl Jung did state that all spiritual evocations and manifestations are a psychological exploration of the self and to a large degree he was right. But we also can define high Practice as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will". It is this Change that has concerned me.

Virtually all that I have written here can be experienced by anyone, having practised Mysticism for over 40 years I am constantly amazed at new vista's that open up to me everyday, I find that people are paralyzed by the fear of the unknown, yet the unknown simply waits to embrace us and yield us its secrets. The only delusion is in thinking that nothing else exists.

Are these experiences a result of volition or "they just happen".
Also, are these experiences not open to different interpretations(chances or coincidences).

"Belief" is a very strong force, and also influence perception of reality... That's why I can't make any assertions yet concerning this...

Anyways can you give me more Enlightenment on opening this "third eye".

BTW, @ Sarassin "over 40 years" into Mysticism that is very impressive, I think I have a lot to learn. And do you guys know Greg Braden by chance...just asking.

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not affect Christian beliefs in any way . I don't think it can cause anyone to lose sleep even for a moment . But you can elucidate , maybe it could elicit the kind of reaction you imagined . Still don't get what the fuss'z about ...

Of course(in a way) it doesn't, I just said Paul and some Bible authors might have had this idea in mind...

The "fuss" is supernatural or a different reality(I'm just examining it's possibility)...