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DoctorAlien:
Those sumerian texts definitely plagiarized the teachings of the Patriarchs, starting from Adam, which was handed down orally from generation to generation, until Moses put them down in the book of Genesis.

Adam taught his son Seth about the living GOD, and how He created all that exists, and the might works which He has done. Seth taught his children, until Enoch, who taught Methuselah, until Noah, Abraham, and then until Moses, who wrote them down.

During the time the Patriarchs walked this earth, the pagans came in contact with them, and with their teachings. But they distorted them, and enshrouded them is fables.

Wowwww , you mean the ancient israelites that were recorded in eyptian history as just nomads who wondered from city to city and were plagiarised by the Sumerians that nations like Egyptians and ancient babylonians got some of their roots from.
Na wa oo

Can you give me a reason why you could possibly think the sumerians(a very great nation then btw) plagiarised the ancient israelites.
Also noting that the story of existence of these Israelite is not as what is told today. The bible mentions the Egyptians 100s of times in different places(showing the effect Egypt had on them), but this powerful tribe of israelites(as depicted in the bible), was mentioned i think ONLY ONCE in Egyptian history, and ironically during the reign of King Merneptah son of Rameses and it states on a stone inscription that the tribe israelites(I.si.ri.ar) were one of the tribes conquered then.

Ancient history does not even regard the israelites as a very significant nation(apart from the bible) and you dare say the Sumerians plagiarised the Israelites.
Even the authorship of the books of Genesis-Deuteronomy is not certain.
Well if you can present a convincing point to support your assertion, then go ahead. -->

DoctorAlien:
4kings, follow the link below for answers to your question about the Pharoah that drowned.

[url]amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_archaeology_Egypt_Moses[/url]

That was the link i was referring to in my post.
Or am i missing something?

DoctorAlien:
I have read them.

Ok, let's start from the beginning.
What do you have to say about the similarities of the book of genesis and the ancient sumerian texts

DoctorAlien:
The exodus definitely happened. It has been proven many times. You can look up "The Bible and Egypt" on the site "amazingdiscoveries.org"

The pharoah in the book of exodus; Rameses, is one of egypt's most famous rulers and he and his son have tombs where their body was buried, there were not drowned in any sea(Exodus 15:4).

The dating of the exodus from the reign solomon(1 kings 6:1), does not coincide with Rameses, but tutmoses(never mentioned in the book of moses), who has definitely nothing to do with moses.

Story similar to the exodus was never recorded in egyptian history.
Your link says that the egyptian disguised the mummy of tutmoses to save themselves from embarrasment and that he must have been 80 years when history records 54. SMH
So the whole of egypt then just happened to cover up the death of their king and his hosts, How??, why?? and from whom??
I just had to stop reading that bs.

The book of moses was most likely a story of esoteric knowledge for the gnostics

DoctorAlien:
Can you prove that the Bible is not always true?
What do you know about the Bible and how it came to be?

I asked you a simple question!!!

Wilgrea7:
care to tell??
I'm all ears

Basically forgery by men occasionally evidenced by historical inaccuracy, plagiarism, and possible misinterpretation of the Gnostic writings and philosophy.

I thought DoctorAlien would give an appropriate reply whether he knows well enough about some biblical history or not, i would have picked at random scriptures as case study. I don't want to waste my time arguing in futility.

DoctorAlien:
Does any "freethinker" or, indeed, anybody have any meaningful objection(that is not strawman argument) to the argument contained in the OP?

benzics has served you already, and you are still requesting for more.

Have you read on how the various scriptures of the bible and apocrypha came about?

wilsonreuben:
Problem solved.
Is there a way to build your kivy app for andriod using windows
I know buildozer but works only on linux.

That sucks, I don't know of any other way.

wilsonreuben:
i'm not using kivy designer. I was having problems with Layout no responding to resizing windows.

Your layout or root widget(Box, Grid or Float) is usually the same as the size of your window.
I don't think i understand your issue here. Were you able to resolve it, if not you can post the code here.

Cool!!!

1. Automate the boring stuff with python
2. Learn python the hard way

Start here: https://pythonprogramming.net/introduction-to-python-programming/

johngorithm:
Sorry, I have not posted for a while now.

I have been very busy.
I promise to get back sooner.

For the main time, let's share know with one another.

U still busy?

Do you know how to use Scrapy or Selenium packages?

Wilgrea7:
well I'd say its living your life based on those doctrines... for the better tho... its not all about proving your doctrine is right... but living according to it

OK

Wilgrea7:
wow... you got your secondary thoughts from nl.. its OK sha... knowledge is power... don't just search for the bad type... but remember.. its not all about knowing.. when i initially started to question my beliefs and read wild, i was ready to argue to prove i had ”correct" and superior beliefs.. but as my knowledge increased, i began to realize its not all about knowing but also application... i wish you the best on your quest for knowledge...

What do you mean by "application" in this context?

Wilgrea7:
spiritual?? how?

I was basically "born-again" and wanted to build myself in the spirit.

what was this “pandora's box?? was it internet knowledge??

Not initially, i stopped seeing the rationality of some beliefs like purpose, hell, unconditional love, prayer, the need for Jesus, and so on, anytime i go for meditation then.
I came online to seek for answers or different views, i didn't even know there were that many atheists/freethinkers in Nigeria/Nairaland till mid last year.
So the content of "pandora's box" here was Gnosis.

I'm still searching for knowledge though.

Wilgrea7:
ok.. I'm guessing you're either a deist or agnostic...

I'm a freethinkin deist.

permit me to ask my own questions ....were you a Christian??

yes

what led you to your current faith?

I got too spiritual and wanted to know more about God and his ways, till i opened "pandora box" ; and started questioning beliefs i had out of the knowledge gotten.

nd what's your take on different religions??

i think most religions are as a result of phenomena that couldn't be fully explained.
Though some actually seek knowledge, but tend to encounter a gap and fill God or a supernatural explanation in there.
For example i love Gnosticism,Buddhism, the Qi philosphy and so on because they are very sensible(to me at least) i don't even consider them as religions but philosophies, but when they start talking about reincarnation, demiurge, karma, predestination and so on, i step back a little bit(but still being open-minded) till i find a convincing reason(either supernaturally or in actuality).

Wilgrea7:
other religions? in what way??.. i find a few of them ok... like Buddhism and Sikhism... i have the holy books of both religions and read them from time to time depending on if i have chance... many(not all) religions contain truths... my idea of God isn't based on the bible alone... no religion has the monopoly of truth as many have been twisted from their original meaning.. i respect all other religions .. some have nice knowledge

Wonderful!
Ok, i just wanted to be clear.

What do you mean by styling, or are you using Kivy-Designer?
If you are just starting, then i think you are having problem with the widgets, i recommend that you watch this tutorial series: Kivy with Python tutorial for Mobile Application Development at Sentdex Channel on youtube.

Wilgrea7:
i get your point... but whether the armed robber was waiting to see if him victim was indeed dead is not what i called a miracle.. it wasn't a case of a missed shot.. the hole in the seat is a witness to that... i take it that you don't do “faith"... so let's face it... you won't believe me... cuz u weren't there.. you'll take it that anything can be fabricated.. nd I'm ok with that.. you've not had the experience so you'll still pull out a reason to doubt... that's why i said its your choice... but as for me... I'll forever be grateful

Well said...
BTW, fabrication was not my only reason to doubt, i also considered "luck" as a case here too...

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On the other hand, what's your opinion on other religions and how does your idea of God balance it?

Wilgrea7:
do armed robbers do otherwise?? we are in Nigeria... when a gun shot is heard... police won't be too far behind

Now this is circumstantial...
An armed robber could also make sure the victim is dead so he won't be able to leak even a tiny bit of their identity to the police.

what job?? they were thieves... they've already collected the money.. pulled the trigger.. you think they would care much about pulling more stunts knowing police would probably be on their way? ... no thief does what you just said above.

empasis on ***Awareness of the event***
It does not need to take forever after figuring out you missed to shoot again.
I brought this up because if there were not aware then it is possible that there missed the first time, or was not really aiming at him(but just tried to frighten him).

bro... its not compulsory for you to discredit someone's experience just because you don't believe in miracles per say.. i can't keep explaining and explaining again.. its a miracle I'm still grateful to God for.. call it luck.. luck can't do such.. i call it a miracle and I'll be forever grateful for it

No vex ooo
But if there are two sides of a coin, i don't like being fixated on only one side, unless it is beyond reasonable doubt or out of personal experience(though this is not strong enough in most cases as your belief can influence your perception).
Anyways i have no qualms with the supernatural(or miracles), i seek to understand it(if it exist) but i think I've not gotten there yet. I still pray to God in my own way and read religious texts.

Wilgrea7:
they were armed robbers bro... not assassins.. they came for the money... they got that before they fired the shots.. no armed robber waits around to check the health status of their victim ... especially when its in an open area... once they fired the shots, they fled

Come on, what's the meaning of this:
"no armed robber waits around to check the health status of their victim"?

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Anyways i wanted to know if they knew about this mystery and fled in fear(like most common testimonies), without completing the job(or if they shot again and the same thing happened).

If the armed robbers were not aware of this, then it's possible for them to have missed considering the fact that most men won't be sitting still when they are being shot at.
So this could have been a very good luck.

Wilgrea7 what was the reaction of the armed robbers when they saw the bullet didn't penetrate your dad?

Wilgrea7:
I've shared the testimony of my father some years back and how he was saved from death.. I've explained how he was shot in the chest and the bullet went straight through without him having a scratch.. no one has given me any scientific explanation for that... i doubt you'll believe it cuz it didn't happen to you.. and even if you were to experience a miracle, you would thank reverad.... so convincing you is pointless

This is deep.
Did you witness this or did he tell you?
If you didn't witness this, it's possible that during the attack, the bullet missed him, but he thought it was a miracle.

Wilgrea7:
i previously said its something like a force/spirit i can't explain... I'm not talking of the one where people speak skiboroboskibo as tongues.. but there is this force that can come upon someone (not placebo).. a mysterious force that can do different wonders depending on the force itself.. I've seen placebo and I've seen the work of this force i call the holy spirit.. its not limited to denomination.. that's why i said its hard to explain.. the holy spirit doesn't only work in church.. most of the cases I've seen are outside the church.. real miracles(not stunts) are done by the aid of the holy spirit

Hmmm, even placebo is not yet comprehensible to scientist, you shouldn't disregard it in every case(though i'm not saying you should hold it as the answer all the time).

Can you mention a real miracle you've experienced, that could not possibly be placebo?

judian:
if you were to read a book written by Angels would you ever understand it# God's love for us is unconditionally that's why u are still alive.#seek wisdom #

Your definition of Unconditional Love also causes Eternal torment, abi?

Wilgrea7:
well... let me say according to my experience, I've seen evidence of the holy spirit.. its a kind of force/spirit i can't explain.. as to if the holy spirit is a separate being from God.. i don't know.. the reason i don't support the Trinity is because of the knowledge of the concept of a supreme being that i have.. people like mr O.aroloye(that man has some serious knowledge), b.enodic, S.arrasin etc will let you understand that the spirit plane is way higher than this physical plane, doesn't obey the rules of the physical and has several layers(each with increasing complexity).. and to imagine an all supreme creator, he/it would be at if not above, the highest level.. so trying to explain God by the rules of our level is what gave birth to doctrine like Trinity etc(in my opinion).. there was a non-canonical gospel i read called the gospel of truth and i still wonder why its not in the bible.. maybe because it defeats the Trinity doctrine ... it says

the name of the father is the son and the chest is the holy spirit

note that it didn't say ”the NAME of the father is the NAME of the son"... it said “the name of the father IS the son... meaning the son of God is God's name itself... it also said the chest of God is the holy spirit..... weird right?? that and many other things I've read are the reasons i don't try to comprehend an all supreme creator to our plane

Nice!, i also read non-canonical(Apocrypha) books too, so does MrMontella.

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What do you mean by 'you've seen evidence of the holy spirit'?
What kind of evidence, is it that of intense feelings or any physical stuff?

Wilgrea7:
i believe in the Holy spirit.. although i don't support the Trinity doctrine. i also think that many people claim possession of the holy spirit to sound relevant.. i don't claim to have the holy spirit... but with things I've seen.. i know that many people lie in the name of the holy spirit just to sound “inspired".... I'm a liberal Christian.. I don't strictly adhere to any denomination and things/doctrines i believe in are based on research and experience...

Hmmm, nice!
Why do you believe in the Holy spirit and is this holy spirit a separate being from God to you?

Wilgrea7:
i have no basis bro... if i did, i would've added or removed some books i didn't feel were inspired enough ..

wow... what do you think of the holyspirit?
And what kind of Christian are you? your posts I've observed on NL does not clarify this.

Wilgrea7:
yeah it kinda does.. it wasn't meant to denounce the inspiration of the books of the bible.. i was trying to say that no single person wrote the whole bible by himself.. it was written by different authors and the claim of inspiration came from a book in the new testament... my point was that the books of the bible were individually inspired considering they were written at different times and not inspired as a whole or all at once/all at the same time

OK.
What's your basis for defining the books as an inspiration from God?

Wilgrea7:
when did i ever say that?? did i denounce the inspiration?? if i did, then how please?

Your words:

the bible is a collection of books.. no one was inspired to write the whole bible... actually, the claim of inspiration is gotten from a book in the new testament

Or does it have a different meaning from what i think?

Wilgrea7:
so reverad or atum didn't inspire you to write the doctufos?? what would you call “inspiration"?? the bible is a collection of books.. no one was inspired to write the whole bible... actually, the claim of inspiration is gotten from a book in the new testament... at that time, there was no bible

if no one was inspired, then it has nothing related to God. Right?

The thousand years according to Thummim is not over, right?

KingEbukasBlog:
I've always posted Stephen Hawkins lecture on Time to the deluded atheists who believe the universe could be eternal . Hawkins adduced some many reasons why the universe has a beginning and the most cogent is that physical laws show that the universe has a beginning indeed but they fail to show the universe began - this is what scientists are focused on : how the universe began . Like I always say, the answer to Hawkins conundrum - there was no time for God to create the universe since Time is only defined in the universe - is that God was timeless without the universe and in time with the universe . God became temporal when It caused the universe to exist . Or you could dwell on Newtons view that God has been with time infinitely.

Even physicist and cosmologist Sean Carrol has acknowledged that the universe had a beginning , every respectable scientist does - no matter your beliefs as a theist , atheist etc . Teempakguy seems to be a huge fan of Lawrence Krauss who believes the universe came from nothing but till now he has shown us what nothingness looks like or how he examined it . Or even where physical laws came from . There are lots of problems with Lawrences beliefs . You can check them out in physicist David Albert 's scathing review of Krauss' book ' A universe from Nothing ' on New York Times .

Quantum theory does not prove the universe Is eternal I wonder why few atheists believe it does - obviously they are misinformed about that. The eternal universe is an idea that has no reasonable basis . It was a belief held strongly by the atheist Charvaka school of philosophy . They claim that the creator is not eternal , the universe is . The whole idea was formed out of ignorance , no wonder every effort to prove the universe is eternal has been futile .

The material universe is suspectible to change and change is due to causality , since infinite regress of causes is impossible , the universe cannot be eternal . There are so many other reasons that prove that it isn't impossible for the universe to eternal .

Even the multiverse theory has no basis in reality . The idea was gotten from fiction , comic books . I'm serious , if you doubt this , look it up .No dearth of evidence supports it either .

But of course , there is no rationale behind atheism- it is not based on science or cosmology or anything . Ignorant atheists are the ones trying to attach some sort of rationale to it when obviously there isn't .

I study the ideas of great minds who existed centuries ago about God and I try to incorporate their views with mine that's all . I visit WLC's site almost every time to learn and know about these great minds and their views . You could learn a lot even as a deist . There is so much to learn about theism , deism but never for atheism . It was founded out of ignorance and false perception .

what do you think about this:
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html
https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html