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KingEbukasBlog:
There is no such thing as the 'Christian God' . If you meant to ask for the proof that the Christian's concept of God is true , then I'd say scrutiny. Christian theism fulfills every logical expectation of what God should be like .

@bolded
What should God be like?

shadeyinka:
The parable is a prediction of the End time church.

There would be so many "self professed Christians", they would look so much like the real Christians by the way they talk, dress, carry themselves etc BUT they have no real fruit (seeds/grains) of repentance, holiness/purity and works that a real Christian should possess.

The imitation would be so much that God will prevent Angels from separating them for instant judgement because they could accidentally destroy a weak Christian.

Hence the command: let the two of them grow TOGETHER until harvest time.

Those who have the expected fruit are Gods
And those impostors (no seed) are gathered for judgment.

Hope it makes sense

Let me rephrase.
Did your God have foreknowledge of this events before he created man?

analice107:
I responded to you there too.

Seen and replied.

analice107:
You know, i judge you one of the smart ones here, pls don't make me change my mind on that.


Listen, go to 4everGod's profile, follow him up especially in Property section of this forum and you'd see that the details trumped here are public details. He has been on NL long but not on Religion section. He has severally put up advertisements with all his contacts, so, if you think that the details thrown out there gives you a reason to believe he did what they accuse him of, then it's a pity.

And wait!!!! When did NL become a DSS or EFCC office for tracking thieves?

Do you realize that this same Mr Samuel had in the time past helped a Nlander here recover her money by Using EFCC?

He Knew what to do. There was a case in the property section, It was escalating, Seun, ignored it, it was Sam who took it up and got the guy who duped a lady to pay up. Haters later tried to still accuse Sam of Scam.

Ask yourself, if Mr Samuel is guilty of what they accuse him of, why not report him to the appropriate authorities and watch them do their job?

I am a very practical person, if he is guilty, then prosecute him, but not after he is found guilty.


NOTE, this is not the first time stuff like this have come up against him, but the accusers end up disappearing when the case gets real interesting. There's one even you dug up, but when i followed it up, it led to a dead end as the accuser ran off too.


Satan has agents everywhere and some people are not scared of him or them. Am not a coward who runs off hoping Christ will clear my name.


If you accuse me, be sure to take it to the end.

Sam will answer for himself when he returns to NL.

Most of us are actually tired of the Childishness here. Only unserious minds will spread their mats in here continually wasting their time hassling with fools all day long.

Go getters come here briefly, over time walks away.

Good morning

I've not accused him so far.
I even hinted that this might be a misunderstanding since he has not logged in yet.

But the guy who brought this up, claims he has moved away from his house and his numbers are not going through.
You've told me before that you know him off nairaland, so i mentioned you to check if you are aware of this?
Maybe you don't know him very well, if not you would have tried to call him or check his house.

Helping to investigate a case before does not make one free from crimes and besides they've been previous allegations directed at 4evergod, such as the ones discussed before on this thread.
So i want to be open-mined, until 4evergod comes out and clears himself.

On the other hand, he might not be aware of this, he has not logged in for a while afterall, so you can try to contact him, if you really know him, so this issue would be settled.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is the greatest !

Which God?

shadeyinka:
I think I saw it from another post.

Usually, for me, A Christian is innocent until proven guilty. I hope it isn't true sha.

I hope he comes out to clear the air on this: it is a very serious issue.

I had been defrauded by a Pastor on land issue before. It looks like money (love for money) breaks down many Christians. Its a pity.

"A Christian is innocent until proven guilty".
Hmmm

shadeyinka:
Of course!
Have you heard of the parable of the Wheat and Tares?

Please explain what this parable has to do with foreknowledge

shadeyinka:
I submit that more than 65% of the Church worldwide will be left behind.
What do you think?

Does God have foreknowledge about this?

analice107:
No. What's it about?

About your friend; 4evergod.
I asked you a question on this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3539694/why-christians-such-liars/56#55183982

following...

analice107:
I totally agree with you bro.

Hw far.
Have you seen my quote?

analice107:
What accusation are you talking about?

This one:

Ubachi:
Mr and Mrs Samuel Ekwueme has just defrauded a close friend of mine of several millions of naira. The couple are both on the run. They use to live at
2, Felix omogbehin close, Thomas estate Ajah. Akinwale shittu avenue Ajah.
Their mobile phone details as at the time of this act are: 08167538446, 09082579508, 08110236964.

The account that received the money is

Samuel Ekwueme
Diamond Bank
0040483329

Please, if you have any information about them or their whereabouts, Please help report to the nearest police station or appropriate authorities. My mobile is 08051524935

Are you aware of this, or have you made any contact with him lately?

AnonyNymous:
Bro, what is this 'thousand years' you're talking about?

Imprisonment of yahweh, allah and some other gods.
Don't mind me jare, i love following otem's stories.

Dandsome:
HISTORY OF APRIL FOOL

April 1 is named "FOOL'S DAY" after Steve April. He was born on 1st April 1579. He inherited and lost all his father's assets. He did 105 business in his life time. At d age of 19 he married a 61 old woman. She divorced him after a year because of his foolishness. So everyone started calling him as father of the fools. The 1st of April is actually dedicated to him since it's his birthday.

He used to read all kind of fake stories like you are doing now. You are angry because I totally got you.

April fool... Enjoy your day.

HAPPY NEW MONTH and may this month bring more of God's blessings upon your life.

Amen.

Damn, you got me.

analice107:
Anas has lost interest, and Analicendum107 is ebbing out too. Too many kids running wild in here.
Seun is only interested in the money he makes from our data, but doesn't care about class and integrity.

Its a place for unruly kids to haul insults at adults, not interesting anymore.

Na wa ooo.
No vex na
I just mentioned you to find out if you have any information concerning the accusation of 4evergod, since you know him off nairaland.

Analice107 or Anas09 where art thou?
Seems like Anas09 has been banned.

lepasharon:
His stone face is exactly as imagined

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I hope this guy who was trying to bring hardmirror down and argues a lot for Christians is not really a fraud.
like wtf.

hopefulLandlord:
Let's be fair in this though, we haven't heard from the other party

Ya true.
Remember he said for the other accusation, that he wasn't aware of it on time.

So let's hope he logs in soon and this turns out to be a misunderstanding. [Hopefully!!!! ]

the 3 languages you mentioned are also helpful too.

Skyblack:
Tanx, bro nd were did u base?

Do you mean 'base' programming or location wise.

DoctorAlien:
4kings,

Historians see Gilgamesh as a historical figure "because inscriptions have been seen which confirm the existence of other characters associated with him in the epic."

Ya, but we can't say the same for bible characters that allegedly existed during this period.

Moreover, if Gilgamesh existed at all, the period of his rule is known with only as much certainty as can be ascribed to the word "probably".

The story is not only in the epic of gilgamesh but is in two other sumerians poems and existed around the cities of mesopotamia.
My argument with you is that the bible possibly plagiarised the story, because the story existed long before the time when Genesis - Deuteronomy was written or when Noah's existence was dated according to the bible.

I've told you before that i don't believe in the literal flood story, i have read some stories from sumerian history, i don't take everything to be true. I repeat again, My argument comes from the fact that people believed stories that has great similarities with those in the bible before the bible was written, so it was possibly plagiarized or meant as a metaphor.

Yes. I firmly believe that the flood happened as the Bible narrated it.

So what would you say about those that existed according to history during this time the flood is alleged to have happened?

Do you mean tracking of goods, in terms of revenue generation, if so:
Python is good for data analysis with the matplotlib library.

If it's an online store, you can scrape the data of all your goods using python's robobrowser library, and do the data visualisation with matplotlib.
Or if its not online, and the supermarket uses spreadsheet like excel, you can also access the data through pyexcel or csv library and do the visualisation tracking with matplotlib.

Python has a very readable syntax to boost your learning speed and the various libraries are also easy to use, once you've understood basic python.

DoctorAlien:
The site gives a different date of death for Tutmoses III from what is found on wikipedia. And that site actually gave the correct date.[

Moreover, the site says Tutmoses III was born in 1530 BC. This means that he was at least 80 years old at death, and that he began to rule(as a coregent) at the age of 26, contrary to your claim that he was an infant when he began to rule.

Ya, true. My bad.
I quickly scanned that link and didn't notice the first line. I had to check again.

But however, i have never read about Tutmoses III being 80 years old, that's why i was very shocked.
His dad Tutmoses II died at a young age that's why the throne was handed to him as an infant.
Even wikipedia and history.com does not support this "80-year old" claim.
I don't know how that link you posted, came up with that date.(if you have more details on this, do share).

I simply wanted you to see how illogical your claim that the epic of gilgamesh was written "years before 3000 BC" is, given that the oldest copy of the epic is dated only about 2000 BC. You cannot prove that the sumerians recorded the epic around 3000 BC. If you don't get it by now, ugh!

Oh, i get you now. I started with 3000BC mainly to attack your patriarch's existence and also at the same time to state that the story has been even before that time.

Now to back up this point, since the only written historical piece of this story is dated around 2000BC:
- The poems of gilgamesh, is centered around a king called gilgamesh or bilgamesh.
According to historians Gilgamesh ruled the city of Uruk during 2700BC.

In the story Gilgamesh met an old man called Utnapishtim. In summary, Utnapishtim told him that his family were the only survivors of the great flood sent by the gods.

From the story, Utnapishtim was obviuosly talking about a time in the past.
This time is not certain. Gilgamesh ruled during 2700BC and like i pointed out, there was a form of civilization during 3100BC.
Therefore this myth, must have been in existence years before 2700BC or 3000BC.
Some historians dates this to around 5000BC, using the history of Uruk
The flood myth also appears in two other sumerians poems and in other ancient cities around Mesopotamia.

I hope you are served now.

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By the way, this might not bring out anything surprising, but i'm still curious to know, if you still really think the Biblical flood story literally happened, after the discussion we've had?

DoctorAlien:
Well, this is heading nowhere. With [url=ancientegyptia.tripod.com/id11.html]different opinions on the biography of Tutmoses III,[/url] I guess anyone can find whatever suits what he/she wants to believe.

There is no shift in opinion in the link you posted.
Read it carefully, it talks about Thutmoses ruling along side his aunt for 22 years and then 32 years by himself.
Which makes it a total of 54 years of reign.
Issues about his age was not mentioned in the link you posted. Check it carefully, again.

Moreover, what can you do if one refuses to accept the possibility of the fact that the Patriarchs walked this earth?

'refuses to accept' really?
you're funny ooo, i have given you facts on the existence of sumerians and Noah, in the same timeline.
If we're to go according to biblical stories then the sumerians were not supposed to exist, instead of addressing this logically, you're just simply going to say "i'm refusing to accept" the existence of your patriach.

You better wake up.
Anyways some christians don't take the flood and creation story to be literal, this very point could have bailed you out.

4kings, your conclusion that the flood in the epic of gilgamesh happened years before 3000 B.C. is illogical given the fact that the oldest copy of the epic is dated only about 2000 B.C. Or are you going to make the daring claim that the Sumerians recorded the epic the same day they "invented" writing?

Now lets get one thing clear.
I don't believe in fairy tales.
Do you really think i believe such a worldwide flood took place because of some gods.
My debate here with you is that the existence and belief of this flood story was, before the person that wrote the books of genesis - Deuteronomy, and the person(maybe moses) possibly plagiarized it or maybe he never meant it literally.

Now on the issue you raised:
It seems you don't bother to read my post completely. This is what i said before:

On the issue of pinning the date of epic of gilgamesh, i never did, i made a logical deduction that if according to history, we know(starting from the time the sumerians conceived writing) that the sumerians were around during 3000BC then the flood or flood story must have been years before that.

I hope you get me now...

@ GoodMuyis
I'm waiting for the list oooo

What sort of questions are this?
I can remember asking you if you knew about history?, you clearly just absorb misinformation from christian apologetic sites.

DoctorAlien:
Prove this.

Thutmoses II died leaving his infant son Thutmose III who ruled along side with his Aunt Hatshepsut until her death, then he continued on his inherited throne till he died in around 1425BC.
Please just do yourself a favor and read about the history of Thutmose III or look it up on wikipedia

The link you posted obviously lied to defend their point.
I know you can't imagine this because it's a christian site, but read up thutmose history to see for yourself.

DoctorAlien:
4kings,

How did you conclude that humans started writing about 3100 B.C? Can you prove that man did not write before 3100 B.C.?

Please educate yourself with this link--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing

The issue of proving whether man did not write before 3100BC will definitely not be in your favour. You better remember the dating of Adam and Eve's Creation before asking nonsense questions.

How were you able to pin the date of the event contained in the epic of gilgamesh? How are you sure that the epic of gilgamesh actually happened?

If you've finished reading the link, then you should know that civilisation continued to grow in the mesopotamia and China up until now, without any record of world disaster.
According to biblical dating Noah and the flood supposedly occurred during 3000BC, this is clearly not possible. If you can't figure this out, then you should start addressing your own comprehension level.

On the issue of pinning the date of epic of gilgamesh, i never did, i made a logical deduction that if according to history, we know(starting from the time the sumerians conceived writing) that the sumerians were around during 3000BC then the flood or flood story must have been years before that.

Where is the proof of your claim that the Bible plagiarized the epic of gilgamesh?

I think you should have figured this out now.
The biblical flood happened 3000BC, the sumerians were much alive during this period(again this was when the earliest form of writing is believed to have been conceived).
Therefore, a literal biblical flood during this period is not possible but a BIG LIE.

Also note that the book of genesis was written around 1440-1400BC, so it shows that whoever wrote that book was never inspired by a supreme being as the datings there are just impossible.
So you should start questioning your so-called patriarchs existence now.

What do you have to say about the fact that the oldest fragments of stones containing the epic of gilgamesh are date only about 2000 B.C.?

Ya, this historical piece is dated to be about 2100BC so. It's possibly one of the stones were this stories were written, and possibly the only surviving one.
The book of Genesis to Deuteronomy is dated to be around 1440-1400BC
Why did you bring this up?
Are you trying to prove yourself wrong?

DoctorAlien:
4kings, don't let me conclude that you're in the same category with akintom when it comes to comprehension.

First, Moses put down the account of Creation, and all the other events that occurred up until his time in writing. Before he did this, Patriarchs like Adam, Seth, Enoch, etc. have been passing these stories down orally. It is also not improbable that these Patriarchs may have put these events down in writing, but the writings were all lost.

It is not a thing of surprise if the pagan Sumerians hear this story from these Patriarchs(as they were spreading the knowledge of the true GOD), and then twist it with their own fables and put it down in writing.

Either moses was writing about a timeline in another dimension or he was clearly writing a false story.

I've told you already why the biblical flood could not have happened if we were to follow biblical and historical dating.
If this biblical flood is false, then this your patriarchs existence is also questionable.

I've been trying to point this out to you, but you still don't get it(i hope you do now).

DoctorAlien:
4kings, below is a piece I found on the Ubaid civilization.

[url]watchmeasidream..com/2012/03/sumerian-problem.html[/url]

The link talks about the tower of babel, smh.
Check the history of the ubaid and the dating of the tower of babel according to the bible.
I hope this your level of comprehension, will make you realize that you've been lied to.

plappville:
Stop misleading weak minded people. Allah is a pagan deity even before Muhammad fabricated Islam. In fact, he was the moon god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

See islam logo.

Your jesus christ is a representation of the sun god Mithra.
Mithra was the God of Constantine, the man who was in charge of putting your bible together and partially making Christianity what it is today.

Stop pointing fingers.
Go and serve your non-existent being in peace.

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btw, if you have nothing reasonable to say, please don't quote me. Thanks.

@ DoctorAlien i've found something.
From the study also, there was also age discrepancy(of 10 years) for Amenhotep.

tutmosesIII started ruling at an infant age after the death of his father and reigned for 54 years, then we can say he lived for a range of 56-58years and the X-ray analysis showed that he lived for 40-45 years bringing about a maximum of 15-year difference.
The link you gave said he could have lived for up to 80 years, there is no reasonable evidence for this.

Here is a statement concerning Amenhotep from biblearchaeology.com

After an examination of the mummy of Amenhotep II, he was estimated to have died at 44 years of age,72 meaning that a 55-year lifespan exceeds the projections of the X-ray evidence, and thus is “an impossibly high result according to the medical evidence.”73 Yet Robins is convinced that when identifying a pharaoh’s age at death, there is good reason to cast doubt on X-ray evidence as a whole.74 Support for this criticism is found in the discrepancy over Thutmose III’s lifespan.

So clearly the X-Ray analysis by Harris and Weeks is not exactly very accurate.

DoctorAlien i've been checking online about the Harris and weeks analysis of the mummy and i can't see anything.
Can you please post a link where a press statement or any other online article was released about this.

Wilgrea7:
wow... good points to note... have you heard of the kaballah?... its jewish mysticism... they claim that moses passed down the secrets of the things that happened then through them

I don't really know about kaballah.
Can you tell me more about these secrets?

DoctorAlien:
I put it to you, 4kings, that you did not even read the article about Egypt on amazingdiscoveries. Why did you not comment on the fact that the mummy which the Egyptians claimed was of the Pharoah that the Bible claims was drowned, on analysis, proved to be that of a young man, where as the Pharoah in question was nothing less than 80 years at his death?

Moreover, it was Tutmoses III who was drowned in the red sea, and not Rameses.

What's the meaning of this
Did you even read my post?

I commented on the mummy thing, what sort of accusation is this.You better go back and read what i wrote(funny you are accusing me of the stuff you did )
Here's what i said

Your link says that the egyptian disguised the mummy of tutmoses to save themselves from embarrasment and that he must have been 80 years when history records 54. SMH
So the whole of egypt then just happened to cover up the death of their king and his hosts, How??, why?? and from whom??

I hope you can see properly, right?

DoctorAlien:
This is strawman argument. Don't tell me you cannot comprehend. Adam and all the patriarchs until Abraham were not Israelites.

I doubt you really know the history of sumerians and thisyour patriachs.
Let me try to end this arguments with dating:
- The history of human writing started from this same sumerians we're talking about and this dates to about 3100BC
- One of your beloved Patriachs "Noah" according to the chronology of the bible is said to have been born and existed around 3000BC
- That means the flood took place around this same time.
- But the Sumerians story called the epic of gilgamesh(which i say the bible plagiarised) clearly happened years before they invented writing.
- So how is it possible for the Sumerians to plagiarize the flood story in Genesis if their(Sumerians) events took place years before Noah.

Also about the Creation story(Adam and Eve), the dating for this by the bible is said to have started around 4000BC but they were people living in the Mesopotamia (Ubaid) where the civilised ancient sumerians also lived, around and before this dating.

Let me see what you have to say before i go on...

You mean the record of Israelite history in the Bible is not true? Prove it.

Chill now.
Is that not what we are uncovering. -->step by step.

DoctorAlien:
Of course, Egypt had much impact on Israel. The Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for centuries. Moreover, after the Exodus, they related with the Egyptians. So, it is not out of place that Egypt is mentioned many times in the Bible.

Your argument is biased in that it starts from a point which rules out the possibility of the fact that the events recorded in the Bible about Egypt could be true, and that the Egyptians could have tried to forge tales to cover up the embarrassing events recorded about them in the Bible.

Where did this Israelites settle, the Egyptian records like i've told you states that they were wandering nomads.
Thankgod, dalaman has also ruled out the possiblity of canaan.
So over to you..