Empiree:
your level is low and doesn't match me. Having back to back debate with you is a waste of time. I already unfollowed this thread days ago but decided to post that.

#unfollowagain

The guy presented a solid argument on Muslim semantics, especially when it comes to the use of the name 'Allah' as a generic name for God (in the Arab world). Instead of you to address the issue you are forming 'too educated'. If you don't have any rational response you can simply say 'Allah knows best' instead of being dodgy.

Empiree:
La ilaha ila Allah

See those 3 separate phrase above?


The first word La is negation of the following phrase ilaha deities, gods (whether human, Jinns, angels, stone, animal, fire, water etc that you worship). Therefore, La ilaha means "there is no god (deities, humans, angels, jinns, stone, fire, FSM, and so on that some people called gods or creators)


Followed by "ila" which mean "except". This is affirmation of the next phrase Allah (The undisputed Creator of the Whole Universe of seen and unseen). Combining the phrases together here La ilaha ila Allah - The Is/Are No deities (worthy to be worshipped) EXCEPT Allah

Why then are you superimposing an Arabic word into an English translation of your shahada by still adding 'Allah' into the English translation. The correct translation could have been 'there are no gods but the Almighty God'. This makes more sense but no, the Islamic caliphate will never accept that because it won't serve their culturo-religious purpose. The word 'Allah' must be mentioned to give Islam the required legitimacy it requires among the culturally 'conquered' non-arab Muslims.

true2god:
Why then are you superimposing an Arabic word into an English translation of your shahada by still adding 'Allah' into the English translation. The correct translation could have been 'there are no gods but the Almighty God'. This makes more sense but no, the Islamic caliphate will never accept that because it won't serve their culturo-religious purpose. The word 'Allah' must be mentioned to give Islam the required legitimacy it requires among the culturally 'conquered' non-arab Muslims.

Allaah is Allah. Nothing more

true2god:
The guy presented a solid argument on Muslim semantics, especially when it comes to the use of the name 'Allah' as a generic name for God (in the Arab world). Instead of you to address the issue you are forming 'too educated'. If you don't have any rational response you can simply say 'Allah knows best' instead of being dodgy.

everything he says will always make sense to you nonmuslims because you are in the same category. There are now evidences against him to extricate him out of Islam. He can go away in peace. We don't need his explanation.

Empiree:
Allaah is Allah. Nothing more

Then Allah is not God (at least in English) but an Arabian idol elevate to 'God' status.

Sagenaija wrote:

sagenaija:

Language can change over time. Words can equally acquire new meaning over time. However, whatever new meaning or change that results must be clear.

When the Palestinian Christian says:"Allahu Akber" and Moslem jihadist says about the same words, do they mean the same thing?

I want to believe that even when the Palestinian Christian used the word "Allah" he believes that he is referring to the Father of the Lord Jesus. Will the Palestinian Moslem think the same? Do they both believe that the Father and Son are Allah?

If the polytheist in Mohamed's day mentioned "Allah" would he and Mohamed be referring to the same personality?

Now, I want you to answer this:
In your shahada do you say: "There is no God but Allah ...." or "There is no Allah but Allah"?

Your response:

Empiree:
everything he says will always make sense to you nonmuslims because you are in the same category. There are now evidences against him to extricate him out of Islam. He can go away in peace. We don't need his explanation.

If you read your response you will discover that you never said anything to disprove his claims. He made a very valid point which you, rather than address them, chose to ignore.

true2god:
Sagenaija wrote:
Your response:If you read your response you will discover that you never said anything to disprove his claims. He made a very valid point which you, rather than address them, chose to ignore.

his believe crept into his submission. Just like the word 'God' is misconstrued in CHRISTIANITY. God means Jesus to you. Why do you think I should waste my time on this?.

Empiree:
Allaah is Allah. Nothing more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-i_usnHXs

true2god:
Why then are you superimposing an Arabic word into an English translation of your shahada by still adding 'Allah' into the English translation. The correct translation could have been 'there are no gods but the Almighty God'. This makes more sense but no, the Islamic caliphate will never accept that because it won't serve their culturo-religious purpose. The word 'Allah' must be mentioned to give Islam the required legitimacy it requires among the culturally 'conquered' non-arab Muslims.

You're absolutely right!

When writing in ENGLISH how come Moslems still insist on putting ALLAH? Why not simply use the English word for Allah and put GOD anywhere Allah comes up?

This is another pointer to the deception of Islam.

sagenaija:

You're absolutely right!

When writing in ENGLISH how come Moslems still insist on putting ALLAH? Why not simply use the English word for Allah and put GOD anywhere Allah comes up?

This is another pointer to the deception of Islam.

It is because allah is another god. If a Yoruba man want to say the shahada, he might say 'there is no god but IFA and O'dua is his messenger'. Allah, just like IFA, is a deity in Yoruba traditional religion.

Empiree:
Allaah is Allah. Nothing more

Another education for you Empiree:
On the name 'Allah', see this:
Koran 52:43 ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI

(52:43) Or have they a god other than Allah? Exalted is Allah far above the things they associate with Him!

Did you see the word "god" in that verse also? So, sticking only to the Koran, do you see that the Koran has the word "Allah" as the personal name for the god of Islam? And there is the Arabic word for "god"?

sagenaija:

Another education for you Empiree:
On the name 'Allah', see this:
Koran 52:43 ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI

(52:43) Or have they a god other than Allah? Exalted is Allah far above the things they associate with Him!

Did you see the word "god" in that verse also? So, sticking only to the Koran, do you see that the Koran has the word "Allah" as the personal name for the god of Islam? And there is the Arabic word for "god"?

"ila" in arabic means "god" in small letter 'g' to indicate false god. This mean deities. If visit other translations like Sahih International you will see it uses "deities" for ila. So Allah stands out from 'ila'

Empiree:
"ila" in arabic means "god" in small letter 'g' to indicate false god. This mean deities. If visit other translations like Sahih International you will see it uses "deities" for ila. So Allah stands out from 'ila'

Who or what is a "DEITY"?

sagenaija:

Who or what is a "DEITY"?

anything you worship or call god other than Allah the Almighty, The Only Creator.

Like for instance if you call him being like Jesus God or Angela, jinn etc these become deities but doesn't mean what you worship are themselves wrong but you are wrong because you took them for worship without authority.

Empiree:
anything you worship or call god other than Allah the Almighty, The Only Creator.

Like for instance if you call him being like Jesus God or Angela, jinn etc these become deities but doesn't mean what you worship are themselves wrong but you are wrong because you took them for worship without authority.

You like screenshot so here's one for you.
Do you think this will make you revise your explanation?

sagenaija:

You like screenshot so here's one for you.
Do you think this will make you revise your explanation?

And your point is?. Can you read your own screenshot carefully?. It writes 'god' or 'god' in small letter g which indicates polytheism. Polytheism is false worship, false gods. By extension, christianity is polytheism. Good tried to excuse christianity from polytheism by the same definition of deities. Google doesn't differentiate "deities" or "god" when it defined it. Why then it called christianity monotheism. It means they are set of confused nincompoops.

"ila" means deities = false gods. So by worshipping Jesus or calling him call, you are worshipping false god but this doesn't mean Jesus is false bcus nowhere Jesus gave you permission to worship him.

Empiree:
And your point is?. Can you read your own screenshot carefully?. It writes 'god' or 'god' in small letter g which indicates polytheism. Polytheism is false worship, false gods. By extension, christianity is polytheism. Good tried to excuse christianity from polytheism by the same definition of deities. Google doesn't differentiate "deities" or "god" when it defined it. Why then it called christianity monotheism. It means they are set of confused nincompoops.

"ila" means deities = false gods. So by worshipping Jesus or calling him call, you are worshipping false god but this doesn't mean Jesus is false bcus nowhere Jesus gave you permission to worship him.

Hello!
Is that Empiree?
I thought you are smarter than this.

I read the screenshot. It gave the synonyms of "deity" as - god, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal, etc.

What has small letter or capital letter have to do with 'polytheism' in this definition? So, GOOGLE is now confused. And that is because you're not getting what you want.

You guys can deny even your prophet and Koran just to win an argument. So, denying Google now is no surprise.

If "ila" means false gods why doesn't your shahada read: "There is no 'false gods' but God. ... ..."? Why does it say: "There is no God but Allah ... ..."?

You will only entangle yourself more in a web the way you're going. All because you don't want to accept a simple and clear matter.

sagenaija:

Hello!
Is that Empi.ree?
I thought you are smarter than this.

I read the screenshot. It gave the synonyms of "deity" as - god, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal, etc.

What has small letter or capital letter have to do with 'polytheism' in this definition? So, GOOGLE is now confused. And that is because you're not getting what you want.

You guys can deny even your prophet and Koran just to win an argument. So, denying Google now is no surprise.

If "ila" means false gods why doesn't your shahada read: "There is no 'false gods' but God. ... ..."? Why does it say: "There is no God but Allah ... ..."?

You will only entangle yourself more in a web the way you're going. All because you don't want to accept a simple and clear matter.

Catastrophe

The the reason CHRISTIANs can't differentiate God from Jesus. Bye

Empiree:
Catastrophe

The the reason CHRISTIANs can't differentiate God from Jesus. Bye

It's indeed tragic that ordinarily simple and clear issues are turned upside down in Islam.

When and how did the Arabic word 'ila' turn into 'false god'? Using your "LOGIC" can you see that putting it in your shahada makes a mess of your reasoning? And that you'll be calling your Allah a false God? Because you'll then be saying "There is no 'false god' but Allah ...."

So, Empiree, can we do that? Can we put your new definition in your shahada?

Sujit Das in his book on Mohamed - UNMASKING MOHAMED - mentioned certain tendencies that he had which apparently has rubbed off on many of his followers.

You have an idea of what you 'think' your religion should be. You now superimpose that your idea on how you 'interprete' Islam. Rather, what you should do is to objectively look at what Islam presents and use that to know what Islam stands for.

Also, your OBSESSION will not make you think clearly about other issues outside Islam.

Christian Prince - She-Monkeys Stoned For Adultery

Were the monkey species of Arabia monogamous? And they were so intelligent and had laws which if broken attracted penalties like stoning. So, they knew what illegal sexual intercourse was. A very interesting story in Islam’s books.
Did Allah really know much about the natural world he supposedly created?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKrPBbo_yi0

Apostate Prophet:
The Scientific Mistakes of the Quran
Published on Jul 6, 2019
The Quran is claimed to be the perfect, verbatim word of the almighty and all-knowing creator of the world, Allah. In this book, the author, supposedly Allah, makes numerous claims about the world and its surroundings, humans, animals, and more. Let us analyze the Quran from a purely scientific point of view and see how credible it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMD99gyr14

All timestamps are below. Enjoy!

00:11 Introduction
02:04 60. Stars are an adornment
02:45 59. Stars are missiles
03:48 58. Stars are near
04:48 57. Stars will fall down
06:14 56. Seven heavens
06:14 55. Seven earths
07:24 54. Allah brings the sun from the East
08:08 53. The Sun orbits the Earth
09:03 52. The Moon follows the Sun
09:32 51. Sun and Moon can't overtake each other
10:15 50. Sun and Moon will join
10:54 49. The Moon will darken
11:42 48. The Moon is a light
12:11 47. The Moon was split in two
13:11 46. Night rapidly chases the day
13:40 45. Night and day enter each other
14:15 44. The Night is a veil
15:36 43. Day, night, Sun, and Moon
16:37 42. The rising place of the Sun
17:09 41. The resting place of the Sun
18:59 40. The Sun sinks in a muddy spring
20:51 39. The Sun indicates shadows
22:02 38. No Southpole and Northpole
22:54 37. The sky has no rifts
23:46 36. The sky is a ceiling
24:17 35. The sky should have pillars
25:22 34. The sky would be stripped away
25:35 33. The sky could fall apart
26:00 32. The sky can be folded up
26:18 31. Sky and Earth were joined
27:22 30. Earth created before skies
28:23 29. The sky was smoke
29:02 28. Mountains placed into the Earth
29:53 27. Mountains prevent earthquakes
30:38 26. Mountains will be removed
31:07 25. You can't pass the skies
31:56 24. Altitude narrows chests
32:22 23. Allah drives clouds
33:07 22. Allah sends winds
33:50 21. Winds bring good tiding
34:32 20. Allah sends rain from the sky
36:01 19. Rainwater is pure water
36:38 18. Mountains of hail
37:06 17. Allah sends thunderbolts
37:56 16. Allah holds birds up
38:36 15. Allah steers ships
39:18 14. Barrier between seas
41:02 13. All life is in communities
42:03 12. Everything is in mates
42:46 11. Plants in pairs
42:46 10. Fruits in pairs
43:45 9. Milk form livestock is pure and agreeable
44:44 8. Milk between filth and blood
45:21 7. Sperm comes from backbone and ribs
46:35 6. Sperm = Human
47:36 5. Sex is determined later
49:16 4. Sperm becomes blood
49:56 3. Flesh forms after bones
50:50 2. 8 types of livestock
51:36 1. The Earth is flat (and the Whale)
56:55 Conclusion & Outro

Imam Bukhari - Was he a truthful man?

Can Moslems put trust and their souls & salvation on the line for this man: "imam al-Bukhari"?

Al-Bukhari came more than 200 years after Mohamed.

He was a Persian Islamic scholar born in Bukhara, Uzbekistan. So, he was not an Arab.

He went through several cities in the Middle East to collect the supposed words of Mohamed and their chain of narrators.

He only lived for 60 years. He had to eat, sleep, pray (5 times a day?) and do other things. In spite of this he was able to collect over 600,000 hadith. Note that some hadiths are lengthy and not just of few words of sentences. So, he spent time collecting, writing, scrutinizing, classifying and deciding whether authentic or not this huge number of hadith. He claimed that he had to pray 2 prayers over each hadith before recording it.

7,000 sayings and stories about Mohamed were later classified by him to be authentic out of which only over 2,000 are not repeated.
Giving the time it would take to go through the above process for one (1) hadith and that process is repeated for 600,000 hadiths it would take more than a lifetime to accomplish the task of working through this huge number of stories and information.

Hence to accomplish this task in a mere period of 16 years, as claimed by Bukhari, is not only impossible but puts a big question mark to his integrity and honesty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltG_OvVOBN8

I've watched tens of Christian Prince videos . He know Islam inside out. He concluded that Islam is fake. I believe him 1000%.

basilico:
I've watched tens of Christian Prince videos .
He know Islam inside out.
He concluded that Islam is fake. I believe him 1000%.

Yes!
And to add that no SINGLE Moslem scholar has been able to refute him.

When I came across this thread I never knew I was going to read all through 22 pages...but eventually I did. Quite interesting and an eye opener for both christians and Muslims alike to see what Islam truly stands for (deceit).

Christian Prince is not just showing the falsehood in Islam but also showing that he is knowledgeable in all Islamic studies and has first hand information of the religion. May God continue to bless and increase him in spiritual knowledge and understanding.

Shalom aleikhem !

Maamin:
When I came across this thread I never knew I was going to read all through 22 pages...but eventually I did. Quite interesting and an eye opener for both christians and Muslims alike to see what Islam truly stands for (deceit).

Christian Prince is not just showing the falsehood in Islam but also showing that he is knowledgeable in all Islamic studies and has first hand information of the religion. May God continue to bless and increase him in spiritual knowledge and understanding.

Shalom aleikhem !

Well said!

Modern Science Agrees With The Holy Quran [July 2019]

In the science of Koran and Mohamed (Hadith), 'sun set in spring of warm water'!!!
How exact it is?!!
It is Allah who is speaking here. He is narrating a specific incident. There is no room for speculation.
CP’s discussions are eye openers.
Find out here … …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98TiB14B2P4

Christian Prince vs Dr Shabir Ally - The Miracle of Number 19 in The Quran


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXL9b5x-t7I

You are arguing with Muslims who the god of this world had blindfolded their mind. The day, God open their minds that is the day they will agree with you guys.

Sam, Dave and CP Expose Mansur for Lying at Speakers Corner about Rebecca being 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE1fQ4SLUv8

Who Is Christian Prince?

Message Of Love
Published on Aug 6, 2019
Christian Prince is a respectable Islamic Scholar who is well-known for presenting the truth to millions of Muslims and Christians around the world. He is a native Arabic speaker who earned a degree in Islamic Law (Sharia Law) and Civil Law. He is also the author of "Qur'an And Science in Depth" and if you speak French, "Les Secrets du Prophète Arabe" and many others.

He has an endless history of debating Muslims, with thousands of videos available online enriching them with valuable free education. His target is to unite the force of love between the people, regardless of their religion. He is trying to reach out to Muslims for better understanding in order to fight together against hate or violence which is generated by the wrong interpretation of religion and Scriptures.

Ignorance is the major enemy of mankind, which create division and violence. He is hoping to explain to Muslims that Christians or non-believers should not be considered as an enemy, but they can be friends and live in peace together by rejecting any hateful teachings and accepting the Message of Love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfz1R8v0q7Q

Moslems and Animal Sacrifices
Ask Moslems why they sacrifice animals and the answer will be that it is only to commemorate what Abraham did.

The major feast in Islam is called the Feast of Sacrifice.
Whereas Moslems claim that they only sacrifice to follow the example of Abraham, that claim is unsubsta
ntiated from the Koran.
In chapter 37:107 it was not Abraham but Allah who claimed that “We ransomed him with a great sacrifice”. So, it was Allah who sacrificed (a ram) to RANSOM Abraham! Ransom? Yes; ransom!

The ransom according to Islam came from heaven. In other words, Allah himself provided the sacrifice.

It was Allah that first asked for sacrifice in human history according to the Koran. He asked Cain and Abel to sacrifice and accepted only one of the sacrifices – Koran 5:27

Tafsir al-jalalayn gives the interpretation of that verse stating that fire came from heaven and consumed the sacrifice of a ram.

When Christians talk about God sending his Son as a RANSOM, Moslems are quick to ridicule and criticise that. Yet, Islam talks about sacrifices being used as ransom. In fact, Islam makes the Feast of Sacrifice a focal point and a major and obligatory act for all Moslems.

So, why do Moslems deny that when they sacrifice animals they are sacrificing to Allah? The answer is simple: because Islam will be shown for what it is – a religion covering itself in a guise other than what it really is – paganistic and full of contradictions. Mohamed actually claimed in a hadith that animal sacrifice leads to the forgiveness of the sins of Fatima.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAsuJhu-A4