ea7: @next2beezee what plot?

KazeKage1:
@N2B
Glad to know you've decided to sheath your sword tongue
Yes, there've been various scenarios:
The fillers are annoying
Why aren't the Uchiha clan better? Despite their vast array of techniques and gifted shinobi? Itachi/Shisui, Madara/Izuna et al.
Let me stop here.

Feraz: ....lol about y'all trying to bring plotholes in naruto....anyway, when i log in with a computer, will try to answer the questions y'all have posted up in the other page but then again, hope y'all read it cos i know some issues have been treated out in the previous pages....smiley......
Firestar, pls, still answer some of their questions....cheesy

WackyJ1:
GBAM!!! i have watched all 366 episodes of bleach and yet i can't estimate how strong Kenpachi is.. One minute he's not that strong, fell to Shikai Ichigo and next defeating An opponent that MASKED BANKAI Ichigo could not beat.. Aizen was strong enough to take on all the other captains and yet no one noticed he was this strong when he was young? Another thing is that Kubo likes bringing out characters and stories out of no where, full bringers, Vampire guys that use dolls (can't really remember what their general names were). And did anyone ever wonder why the captain that was promoted to Soul Society King's guards never came down to handle Aizen? Abeg Kubo was jumping too much without explaining each character well.. No body knows how ichigo's dad became a Shinigami, was he like Ichigo? Able to drop his skin and return or was he a Shinigami that entered a gigai and started procreating

firestar: @Feraz-kun
But I'm eating! I've eaten all the Kilishi na.
Invited the lot you to eat whether you form Akatsuki or you be one-man-army mmm..
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Onto the main course...
When I finish, ehen ~
Join me!

ea7: @Nbeezee I was being sarcastic, the general consesnsus is bleach has no plot.
@WackyJ1 the quincy are back. Failed genocide much.
One thing that bothered me in blech(not a typo) was Aizen vs the captains. None of the captains used bankai andthe fact that when hitsugaya stabbed aizen it was impossible for him to swap with hinamori. Also, Toshiro was struggliong against espada no6 but went toe to toe with espada no 3. Bull*shit
P.s no one here has answered my questions.

Next2Bezee:

What?? Kabuto never met Uchiha Madara but was able to resurrect him with all his abilities and mentality intact.
Please explain what telekinetic ability you think the 1st possessed..right NONE. His physical prowess consisted almost all his abilities, then maybe you could attribute the rest to his "Will of Fire" or whatever..

1. Orochimaru only rubbed the resurrections of their personalities not their physical abilities and so there should have been no way for the 3rd to win.

2. Another False theory bro, The proof is in the pudding..When Kabuto took away Negato's personality he didn't have anymore control over the body than what objective he wanted it to achieve, So full physical control is impossible.

The 1st and 2nd fought at the same time against the 3rd and still lost = PLOTHOLE.

firestar:

Alright (run-away)ladies and (flint-faced)gentlemen _...
Tailor your plot_pits... Anything ranging from Handseals ([b]J[/b]apanese [b]S[/b]ign [b]L[/b]anguage ) to Ramen(Indomie Noodles ) to walking contradictions()
List them from #001 "Enter! Uzumaki Naruto!" to #582"To Bear the title of Kage"

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Whether you form rogue ninja or you're a bloody kage or a Jashin [b]fan[/b]belt addict e no consain me...

At. Allllllllllllll.

Let it riiiiiiiiiiiiiip!

ea7: @wackyj its just like when the three sannins fought and Jiraiya 'forgot' to use sage mode.
Also durng that fight, why the hell did kabuto stop ans stare while narutard was forming his rasengan. Plot no jutsu.

KazeKage1:
This cracked me up
And N2B, I'm up to date on Bleach and believe me when i say Naruto stomps all over Bleach #NoContest.

ea7: @Nbeezee 1. I was being sarcastic, the general consesnsus is bleach has no plot.
@WackyJ1 the quincy are back. Failed genocide much.
2.One thing that bothered me in blech(not a typo) was Aizen vs the captains. None of the captains used bankai and 3.the fact that when hitsugaya stabbed aizen it was impossible for him to swap with hinamori. 4. Also, Toshiro was struggliong against espada no6 but went toe to toe with espada no 3. Bull*shit
P.s no one here has answered my questions.

WackyJ1:
Guy. aizen was finishing everybody yet Yamato, Jushiro, Kyoraku, unohana them refused to bring out their BANKAI? As in it's like Kubo had not even written their Bankai or thought of it.

KazeKage1: @N2B
If i found it more interesting..trust me, i would continue. It bored me so i switched back to Naruto,i even tried to keep up by watching new chapters but that didn't work too.
We both know there's a ton of stuff Kishi hasn't let us in on yet so instead of enjoying the smell of the cake baking in the oven, why don't you wait till you're served a slice?

WackyJ1:
GBAM!!! i have watched all 366 episodes of bleach and yet i can't estimate how strong Kenpachi is.. One minute he's not that strong, fell to Shikai Ichigo and next defeating An opponent that MASKED BANKAI Ichigo could not beat.. Aizen was strong enough to take on all the other captains and yet no one noticed he was this strong when he was young? Another thing is that Kubo likes bringing out characters and stories out of no where, full bringers, Vampire guys that use dolls (can't really remember what their general names were). And did anyone ever wonder why the captain that was promoted to Soul Society King's guards never came down to handle Aizen? Abeg Kubo was jumping too much without explaining each character well.. No body knows how ichigo's dad became a Shinigami, was he like Ichigo? Able to drop his skin and return or was he a Shinigami that entered a gigai and started procreating

WackyJ1:
I purposedly didn't state my point that clearly to see If you would grab the hint.. But you missed it.
Kabuto didn't completely rob Madara of his Personality because he knew that a Ninja is more effective when he's using his own abilities with their own mentality and since he Kabuto could not possibly know all their moves and special tactics which is even the point of what i'm saying...
Orochimaru completely robbed the first and second Hokage of their personalities and everythin, notice that they barely or didn't even talk after Orochimaru put his seal in their heads? It was essentially Orochimaru's head in their bodies and he couldn't possibly know the tactics or moves that made the first Hokage the top dog in his time, or the ways that the First Hokage used his powers to maximum effect. It's not just about the physical power it's the brain. That is why Kabuto made his own so that it would not completely erase their personalities.
In summary First Hokage with Orochimaru's brain inside vs Complete First Hokage, the result would be a complete defeat for Orochimaru

KazeKage1: @Next2Breeze

"Naruto isn’t an Uzumaki. He’s a Kurosaki. The shinigami sealing thing Molested Kushina and she got pregnant giving birth to a kid that belongs to 2 different dimensions. That’s why he’s so eager to be acknowledged in this dimension, ’cause he feels that he doesn’t belong anywhere. We are only comfortable shitting in our house’s WC,right?

One time he created a rasengan so fast that it created a blackhole to the other dimension. Naruto then thought Ichigo that crying doesn’t get you anywhere and that Ichigo would never know about his past and his father’s history, because the God of that dimension wasn’t creative enough to make a good story. So the Almight Emo-gay-Sunglassed-Kubo-God punched Naruto back to this dimension. The punch was so strong that created a massive plot hole in Bleach story. One more. Bleach’s plot holes are living entities with an infinite hunger for consistency, logic and creativity, and are continuously destroying bleach universe, eating the few Kubo’s good ideas, and shitting drawings with big plans full of kanji. Then Ichigo cried a little more."

ea7: hold on next to bezee, that one about kubo saving the bankais for later makes sense, except for the fact that it makes no sense in story. they should have gone all out it was illogical.
and hitsugaya stabbing notreally aizen makes little sense, why...see for yourself, he thinks to himself before being stabbed...

ea7: PnJ=TnJ. Plot no Jutsu is in the form of deus ex machina.
Deus ex machina-"is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object."-Wikipedia
"Whether to accept the author's word on a particular matter or not ultimately ties into logic fundamentals. Kishimoto's word is only indispensible when his assertion is legitimate. Whenever Kishimoto makes an assertion, he is making a positive claim. For example, if he claims (via character statement/battle/whatever) that Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, he has to prove the claim beyond a reasonable doubt. Now if the author attempted to prove his point by having Naruto defeat Sasuke, he'd have to do so in a manner that doesn't break the suspension of disbelief (e.g. Naruto lands the final blow when Sasuke magically become powerless for some unexplainable reason like what happened with Kabuto and Pein), then the author's argument loses validity. In other words, failure to prove the point leads to the author's claim being void. "-Franckie

"Suspension of disbelief is an essential ingredient for any kind of storytelling.
Authors are given free reign by the audience because of the nature of the story's setting.
Suspension of disbelief, however, ultimately rests on the reader's willingness to accept what the author has presented in exchange for entertainment. Failure to provide reasonable explanations can lead to a violation of the reader's suspension of disbelief. Other reasons as to why the author's intent can be treated with skepticism are that authors are not infalliable, which lead to mistakes as you highlight, and that the author's interpretations are no more valid than the reader's. Going back to my example regarding Naruto and Sasuke, the story (aka Kishimoto) asserts Naruto > Sasuke and "proves" it via Naruto defeating Sasuke in a fight. There is a problem with Kishimoto's claim, however. Because Sasuke magically lost the ability to defend himself like how Kabuto couldn't defend himself when Naruto rammed a Rasengan into him, the suspension of disbelief has been violated.

firestar:

Kekkai Genkai ea7-san. I love to fight with bloodline limits. Techniques copied by the Sharingan can be defeated no?
Here's your source with a 120 pages.
http://forums.mangafox.me/threads/274688-Official-Naruto-Plot-Holes-Plot-no-Jutsu-Discussion-Thread/page70

Let me have your take on it, if you please.

ea7: smiles* raises hands* looks like i've been caught. it supports me and i'd agree with it

ea7: hold on next to bezee, that one about kubo saving the bankais for later makes sense, except for the fact that it makes no sense in story. they should have gone all out it was illogical.
and hitsugaya stabbing notreally aizen makes little sense, why...see for yourself, he thinks to himself before being stabbed...