The problems seems to come when after receiving the money from God I am reluctant to pay Him back 10% out of it.The sharing formula is God gives me 100%, out of it I give Him back 10% and the remaining 90% is mine.
I solved that problem.I told God to deduct His 10% from source since he is the one giving me the money in the first instance and I assume that whatever gets to me is my 90%. But so doing,I no longer run a risk of "robbing" God.

What a funny post

KunleOshob:

@Poster
Becos tithing is not a christian doctrine, it is a fraudulent manipulation of Old testament scripture being used to fleece christians today. The apostles who were mandated to established christianity NEVER preached tithing nor collected tithes. That aside there is no blessing attached to tithes as practised today neither is there any curse. It is obvious that a lot of non tithers are even far better off than so called tithers. If you study the sciptures well and you are trully a christian then you would know that you have no business engaging in such a ignorant a fruitless practise in the name of God. I would have written more there are more than enough writings on this fraudulent doctrine already written on this forum, if the OP has any specific questions to ask i would be more than willing to answer but i suggest he first does some biblical research on tithes starting with Deut 14:22-29

My dear friend l would suggest you kindly package your postulations such that they implicitly express objectivity and not explicitly expressing an affirmation that lacks credibility. How could you say Tithing is not a Christin doctrine, ok perhaps it is a muslim doctrine or a buddist doctrine, question- who is a christian? it is true that tithing is more of an old testament extract but that doesn't make it wrong in practise for christians today. Why becos the problem with you and many others with proximity in similitude of reasoning and understanding of scriptures is that you fail to understand that the old testament is merely a shadow of the new, the revelation of the new is concealed in the old.

The emergence of Tithing in the scripture is not and has never been the brain work of any man no doubting the chances that some fruadulent and deviously opportunistic individuals like in almost every spere and concept of human endeavour has made a public show of gross self gratification at the expense of the conscience of sincere believers. But be that as it may the truth remains tithing is a part of God's properity principle for those who believe in His name and are a part of His kingdom (as a system).

The old testament is not tantamount to an unpraticable abrogated piece of collection of events preceeding the so called new testament. And mind you the new testament  didn't begin from the book of Matthew. Yes Jesus Christ was the fulfilment of the Law and the Prophets which epitomises the entirety of the concept of the old testament, meaning that the law and its deeds where abogated so anybody today who still advocates a pattern of life tailored after the law(of Moses) is in an error of innocence perhaps packaged with ignorance. Tithing began with father Abraham way way back before the law  Gen 14:18-20 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all". And then in the new testament that scenerio was re-ecoed in Hebrews 7:1-2, "1 ¶ For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace"

Now Romans 3:28 " Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law". that means then that in like manner there is "the deed of faith" Father Abraham is accredited as the father of faith and our fahter according to Galasians 3:7(nd)9 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham".

Romans 4:16 "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all"

For starters, the question is if we are children of Abraham and this is one of those rituals he recorded to have practised then is it wise then to summarise the practise as a deed of faith today as inconsequential perhaps becos of the activities some band of fraudsters. I have spent my whole life studying this subject perhaps before some of you, so be careful you don't want to answer for being responsible in misleading a soul for Christ paid is precious blood to err.

There are other practices in the Old Testament, but its only the TITHING the fraudulent (especially the so called pentecostal) pastors stressed on because of their selfish gains.The way things are going some of them may be deducting the TITHE at source because they are desperate to ride expensive cars. God said He loves a cheerful giver but they don't wait for their members to give cheerfully before blackmailing them with God's wrath!

This is the reason below. When some people go and work and someone takes the money and use it for himself.

monkey dey work, bamboo dey chop.  Until that stupid1 mentally get out of churches. People have left God, forget that they still go on the alter . It is only God who knows those who serve him.
Not everybody who claim is a pastor is save. You people should understand it. Alot of people are into it for the money, and they collect your money. I have been to churches where the pastors are not save.

Criminal now find the church as  root to make money. When a church or pastor start going after money how they would destroy your life, family etc. You know that is the end of that church. No good church goes about do that. Men who try to destroy other are evil men. No matter what they call themself.

You see when greed enter into the church, it take away God. It is easy for satan and its agent to come into a church. And when a church does not see that satan and his agents have take it over. The church start doing satanic thing. May God help all of us.

Even in the time of jesus, the pastor were robbing the people. Jesus got upset and what they did was they sat in thier council.  So this Jesus think say him get sense pass us. We would kill him, let look for judas, . This people jesus deal with those days were Pastors . The sadducees and pharisees are pastors.

I can tell you, because I boldly critic some of the wrong doing of some church over here, they are coming after me. people who are suppose to be pastors. Well i would never stop speaking God mind. They all can go to hell. my God help you people in jesus name. I critic Jonathan who is president everytime. and the church should not expect less.

When sinners start seen something wrong in the church.
The church most know what they are doing too is wrong. And you dont expect people to follow you without reason. I critic

I am a sinner too. My own sin pass your own. my sin is higher than the kilimajaro mountain.


 

Becos most tithe preaching churches have twisted the biblical meaning of tithes and manipulated it to suit their love for filthy lucre. The truth is that the doctrine of tithes is the biggest fraud in world history and muguns continue to fall for it till this day. That aside there is no scriptural basis for tithing in christianity today, tithing was never taught to christians by Jesus or the apostles how much less the fraudulent version being pimped today. You may also wish to read hebrews 7:5-19 were tithing was officially set aside for christians and anulled. It was even described as a weak, useless and unprofitable law.

actually want to make reference to Deut 14: verses 23 and 26.

To my understanding, this means we can eat / use our tithe to buy whatever we like in the prescence of the Lord.

So why are we required to instead drop these tithes to the churches for their upkeep??

verses 27 - 29 also talks about the levites . .so that means there is a provision for our leaders.

Again, am I missing something?


Curtesy of Kokoye @ Nairaland

Kay 17:

^^its like that muslim belief that their god's ear is open at certain times.

if you stuff more cash into god's pocket, the happier he would be with you.

I do not think you need to insult other people's faith simply to drive home your points. Please learn how to respect other people's wishes or way of live.

This Topic is being over flogged, there are more than 10 topics on this subject matter.

My submission is whoever deem it fit should go ahead and pay tithe and if you think it is not right to pay, ignore and move on with your life instead of picking up unnecessary arguments.

Because some are smart enough to know that tithe is a hoax?

VALIDATOR:

The problems seems to come when after receiving the money from God I am reluctant to pay Him back 10% out of it.The sharing formula is God gives me 100%, out of it I give Him back 10% and the remaining 90% is mine.
I solved that problem.I told God to deduct His 10% from source _{since he is the one giving me the money in the first instance} and I assume that whatever gets to me is my 90%. But so doing,I no longer run a risk of "robbing" God.

lol, im running with this aproach.

VALIDATOR:

The problems seems to come when after receiving the money from God I am reluctant to pay Him back 10% out of it.The sharing formula is God gives me 100%, out of it I give Him back 10% and the remaining 90% is mine.
I solved that problem.I told God to deduct His 10% from source _{since he is the one giving me the money in the first instance} and I assume that whatever gets to me is my 90%. By so doing,I no longer run a risk of "robbing" God.

It works. It gives you peace of mind. You will never rob God and you can be sure He received the money and hence no middleman can embezzle it.

KunleOshob:

@Misoki
Can you tell us briefly how the bible defines tithes and how it explained tithing should be done with biblical references.

Someone to assist this wise request please!

Because tithes are supposed to be paid to God, and not to finance luxury lifestyles. So the reluctance to pay tithes is aimed at paying to particular people, not God.

All the nonsense we do, dancing around the place because we want to put N5000 into the offering bag in front of the church, where everyone can see does not glorify God. We do it to glorify ourselves, and to show that we have arrived. What Jesus commanded is that our gifts to God should be paid to the homeless people, beggars on the street and people in the most desperate need. People we see around us everyday. This is a hard saying, but it is true. What is the point of going to church on Sunday and donating towards someones 2011 Lexus Jeep (Trust me, that is what he is saving the money for), when you leave the church and there are little children selling groundnut everywhere?

Good yanh u av said it all, back ur point babe

[b]THE BASIS OF JESUS' TEACHING IS ''GIVE TO THE POOR.'' WHY NOT WE DWELL MORE ON THIS IF WE REALLY SEE OURSELVES AS HIS DISCIPLES RATHER THAN THIS TITHE THING?
IT IS A PITY THAT CHURCHES HAVE REALLY DEVIATED FROM THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR MASTER JESUS AND TWISTING IT THEIR OWN WAY, JUST TO HAVE ENOUGH (WILL I SAY) CUSTOMERS.

A GOOD EXAMPLE IS ABOUT COVERING OF HAIR BY WOMEN (1 COR 11). THE CHURCHES OF TODAY IGNORE WHAT IS CONSPICOUSLY WRITTEN FROM VERSE 5 OF THIS SCRIPTURE, AND WRONGLY QUOTE THE LAST SIDE OF IT TO JUSTIFY THE REASON FOR ALLOWING GIRLS DRESS FREELY TO CHURCH. IF WE TAKE A CRITICAL LOOK AT IT, IT IS NOT THE DOCTRINE THAT THEY ARE AFTER, BUT THAT WHICH WILL MAKE LADIES BE FREE TO COME IN AS MULTITUDE OF CUSTOMERS, AFTERALL IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD THERE IS LIBERTY. AND TRUST THAT WHEREVER WOMEN SHOW-CASE THEIR BODIES, MEN ARE BOUND TO COME IN QUANTUM.

THEY CLAIM THAT THINGS LIKE BURNING OF CANDLES AND INCENCES ARE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT THEY REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TITHE IS ALSO AN OLD TESTAMENT THING.

MAY GOD DELIVER US. [/b] [color=#006600][/color]

Nigeria govt has a problem, the church too have a problem about greed.

You see the day Steve harper the prime minister buy himself three private jet, not 1 private jet. That is the last day, everybody in canada would stop paying taxes.

People must respect other people.

Because tithes are supposed to be paid to God, and not to finance luxury lifestyles. So the reluctance to pay tithes is aimed at paying to particular people, not God.

All the nonsense we do, dancing around the place because we want to put N5000 into the offering bag in front of the church, where everyone can see does not glorify God. We do it to glorify ourselves, and to show that we have arrived. What Jesus commanded is that our gifts to God should be paid to the homeless people, beggars on the street and people in the most desperate need. People we see around us everyday.  This is a hard saying, but it is true. What is the point of going to church on Sunday and donating towards someones 2011 Lexus Jeep (Trust me, that is what he is saving the money for), when you leave the church and there are little children selling groundnut everywhere?

Fully agree. The essential thing in tithing/giving is willingness. It should not be for the promise of heaven or threats of hell. It pains me to see pepper sellers who spot rubber slippers contribute to the opulent lifestyle of the pastors. Don't those pastors have hearts? How could they see in the tinted SUV with Police escorts or when they fly in the private jets. Children of the poor who contributed to build their elitist schools can't not afford the fees. Are these what Christ would have done or what he would have sought to destroy?

I actually feel better when i give money to  a street beggar  than
when i give offering in church.

A lot of things are to be believed and done without question but i draw the line at
giving a % of my pay to some pastor.

The pastor may be laughing with your money while sleeping with a choir girl.
I would rather buy more pews or fans for the church rather than give cash to a pastor.
With the nigerian mentality, how do we know that the pastor does not think that the tithes are his
money to use as a man of God?

long discourse that addresses the main fallacies used to confuse christians into paying tithes to God who is (mis)represented by these pastors. Try reading to the end and meditate thereon, checking the relevant bible references as well. Shalom
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As a sequel to my last article debunking Mr. Enoch Adejare Adeboye’s claims about tithing, Believers are not subject to the Tithe, I hereby present a court scenario in which a namesake of the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God stands before the Great Judge of all the earth, the Lord Jesus Christ, on this subject. Enjoy the engaging conversation:

Jesus: Enoch, you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income to your church and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn’t tithe they would go to hell. How do you plead?

Pastor Enoch: I plead not guilty, sir. I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Jesus: Is it not true, Enoch, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, you are exactly right, that’s what I just told you.

Jesus: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13. But it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn’t he?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Jesus: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: No.

Jesus: Enoch, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: Well, just once.

Jesus: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Pastor Enoch: No; it does not.

Jesus: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: Well, the Bible says it was from the plunders of war.

Jesus: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Pastor Enoch: Yes that’s what the Bible says.

Jesus: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Pastor Enoch: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Jesus: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Pastor Enoch: I guess not

Jesus: You guess not! You pastor so many people and you are only guessing? Is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Pastor Enoch: No; it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Jesus: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: I believe it says plunder?

Jesus: So plunder could be any number of things?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, I suppose.

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people’s possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money; correct?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; sir. You are correct; it does not say just money.

Jesus: As a matter of fact, money is never mentioned in that account at all; is that correct, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, sir; money is never mentioned; just goods and food and people.

Jesus: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Pastor Enoch: That is right.

Jesus: I only have one last question for you, Enoch. Did God command Abraham to give this plunder as tithe to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: No; it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Jesus: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their monthly salary to a local church?

Jesus: Considering all the evidence, I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Pastor Enoch: Sir, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Jesus: Let’s see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me, Enoch.

Pastor Enoch: In Genesis chapter 28, starting at verse 20 it says, ‘Jacob vowed a vow, saying, “If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father’s house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God’s house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you.”‘

Jesus: You said people should follow Jacobs’s example, is that right, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; that is right. He vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Jesus: Let me point out one thing for you, Enoch. Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob’s example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Pastor Enoch: That is not what I meant.

Jesus: What did you mean then?

Pastor Enoch: That we should give God a tenth also.

Jesus: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Pastor Enoch: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Jesus: It is obvious that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Pastor Enoch: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Jesus: So far, all you have done is taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Pastor Enoch: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, “Will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” So you see sir, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Jesus: Answer me this, Enoch, were you aware that I never required anyone to tithe money?

Pastor Enoch: No I didn’t know that.

Jesus: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Pastor Enoch: Sir, that is because they didn’t have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Jesus: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis – and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Pastor Enoch: I don’t know.

Jesus: I also want you to know that these verses speak to people under the Old Testament law. Those verses were specifically addressed to the Jewish nation. As you may or may not know, I fulfilled the law while I was on earth. The Law is no longer binding. Tithing was part of that law that has been abolished.

Non-Israelites are not subject to the law of the tithe or any other part of the Law that I gave through Moses.

Jesus: And once again, you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Pastor Enoch: I do not know of any.

Jesus: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Pastor Enoch: Man must have.

Jesus: So far all you have done, Enoch, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Pastor Enoch: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that You told us to tithe.

Jesus: Ok; let me hear it.

Pastor Enoch: You said in Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.” Surely, You were saying there that we should be tithing.

Jesus: Let me ask you a question, who was I talking to in that passage?

Pastor Enoch: The scripture says the scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus: Are you and your members scribes or Pharisees?

Pastor Enoch: No sir; God forbid!.

Jesus: I also said in that passage, “You have left undone the weightier matters of the law“. Are we under the law, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: No.

Jesus: Why not?

Pastor Enoch: Because You fulfilled it, and it passed away.

Jesus: When did I fulfill the law?

Pastor Enoch: When You were crucified.

Jesus: So the law was still in effect until My death?

Pastor Enoch: That is correct sir.

Jesus: I think you know where I am going with this; don’t you?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; sir. Since You had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding, the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Jesus: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Pastor Enoch: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Jesus: Was money mentioned there?

Pastor Enoch: No sir; it was not.

Jesus: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Pastor Enoch: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We had to build that million-seater cathedral to accomodate the people who come for our annual celebration, the salaries of other pastors have to be paid. So many other things. We depend on the money from the people.

Jesus: The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Not to mention that all those items you listed are problems you created for yourelves. They are not My agenda. You were pursuing your agenda.

Jesus: Now to the more grievous consequences of your enforcing the tithe on believer. What did Paul write in Galatians 5:4 about attempting to follow the Law?

Pastor Enoch: That if they obeyed any part of the old Jewish law, including the law of circumcision, in order to be right (justified) with God, they have fallen from grace, or lost their salvation.

Jesus: Do you admit that like circumcision, tithing was part of the law?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, sir.

Jesus: Now if obeying the law of circumcision would cause gentile Christians of Paul’s day to “fall from grace”, one would have to conclude that obeying another old law; “The law of tithing” would have the same results on them today; that is to say, it will cause them to fall away from the grace of God.

Pastor Enoch: [Swallows hard] I suppose so.

Jesus: In other words, you are admitting that your teaching the tithe is actually sending people down the road to hell?

Pastor Enoch: That was not what I intended, sir.

Jesus: Nevertheless, that is the result of your actions – your ministry. How many of those one billion members (not counting the non-members who heard you and believed you) do you suppose have been turned aside unknowingly this way?

Pastor Enoch: [Swallows hard] I have no idea, sir.

Pastor Enoch: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. Yes I am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore. Infact, I will go and take my words back. As many people as possible must hear this.

THE END
I have given the narration a good ending. I hope that someone close to Mr. Adeboye loves him enough and has enough balls to bring this issue to his attention. You will be saving not only his soul but the souls of millions of others who believe his grace-defying, grace-denying doctrine of tithing.


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Credits:
This narration was crafted and adapted from my previous article, Believers are not subject to the Tithe, and from materials put up at http://tithing.christian-things.com/articles.html

The Crown

@Poster, I think the reluctance is borne from the fact that sometimes (for unknown reasons he sees fit) GOD does not reward his followers as richly as they expect and there is pressure mounting from several quarters for a young and upcoming middle-class income earner when it comes to paying tithes.

Example, Bro. AdeKinglsey FaroukOgene just got a job that pays N50,000 after 5 months of relentless fasting and praying and several night-vigils at one of the Camps along Lagos-Ibadan Expressway (fortunately without any fatal accidents).from a monthly salary of N10,000 to N50,000 is quite a leap of 500% rewards right   wrong, let us do a hypothetical valuation

1: Take out N5,000 monthly for transportation (BRT only, excluding okada)
2: Take out N3,000 monthly for okada fare
3: Take out N2,000 monthly for guguru/ekpa moi-moi and puff-puff (as lunch and dinner is served at home)
4: Take out N10,000 monthly for proper feeding (kerosene and firewood and wickets for stove and other condiments )
5: Take out N3,000 for monthly bathing toilet paper/soap/cream/toothpaste/chewing stick and laundry/ironing
6: Take out N2,000 for monthly GSM calls and SMS and kalo-kalo (treasure-hunt etc)
7: Take out N2,000 for monthly for unplanned spending (like allowance at police checkpoint or send N100 recharge to girl-friend etc)
8: Take out N5,000 for monthly Esusu contribution
9: Take out N5,000 for monthly allowance to aged parents and siblings
10: Take out N2,000 for monthly fuel for generator/engine oil and spark plugs
11: Take out N2,000 for Emergencies like (NEPA-don-blow-TV, money to suck soak-away pit when full, Landlord relative is dead etc)
12: Take out N1,000 for monthly for Sunday offering @ N100 per Sunday Service and N50 for other worship days that fall on Week days
13: Take out N3,000 for installment remission of debts owed during days of trials and tribulations
14: Take out N2,000 personal savings towards paying rent next year.

My point is, when your rewards are not large enough to change your situation drastically by at least 1,000,000% then it becomes difficult to remain faithful as your rewards (though large) are just enough to delay the trials and tribulations just for a short time. Pastor Chris can afford to pay his tithes without fail and quite happily too. His rewards are over 1,000,000% so he can give out N100,000 without breaking sweat  

kITA TITA:


Fully agree. The essential thing in tithing/giving is willingness. It should not be for the promise of heaven or threats of hell. It pains me to see pepper sellers who spot rubber slippers contribute to the opulent lifestyle of the pastors. Don't those pastors have hearts? How could they see in the tinted SUV with Police escorts or when they fly in the private jets. Children of the poor who contributed to build their elitist schools can't not afford the fees. Are these what Christ would have done or what he would have sought to destroy?

The only time humans willingly do evil without feeling the associated guilt is when they have a supposed religious basis for it.

btlasisi:


I do not think you need to insult other people's faith simply to drive home your points. Please learn how to respect other people's wishes or way of live.

This Topic is being over flogged, there are more than 10 topics on this subject matter.

[b]My submission is whoever deem it fit should go ahead and pay tithe and if you think it is not right to pay, ignore and move on with your life instead of picking up unnecessary arguments.[/b]

You said it all bro,

@btlasisi . . let ur faith be urs and let that of others be theirs . . .!!

That a church or people who are looking for ways to destroy me and black mail me, is  wasting it time. Your blackmail would not work. Gods vision for my life is clear. It is forward ever, backward Never. i am not doing this my own wisdom, but by God. Have you ever seen me critic Bishop Oyedepo before. No.
Do you want to know why, anytime I look at Covenant University. what do you see, you see what he has use the money to do.

Gods vision for my life is clear, I am going to be greater than bishop Oyedepo.  la ku ni . look at what God use him to built. You must have a reason to praise him.

Oyedepo mothers would be so proud of himself. I carried him for 9 month.  May your mother be proud of you.

This has being an eternal argument. The principal source of this confusion is the holy book - the Bible.

A number of writers with different aims and messages, compiled into a single volume is a recipe for disaster. The funny thing about tithes is that both parties provide scriptural references on two different positions!

The idea of a supreme being who reduces himself to be catered for by his imperfect creations is absurd! I prefer thomas paine's God. Coz he's too awesome. Imagine a better god next time.

Some people do not pat tithes because of things like this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

bodsibobo:

actually want to make reference to Deut 14: verses 23 and 26.

To my understanding, this means we can eat / use our tithe to buy whatever we like in the prescence of the Lord.

So why are we required to instead drop these tithes to the churches for their upkeep??

verses 27 - 29 also talks about the levites . .so that means there is a provision for our leaders.

Again, am I missing something?


Curtesy of Kokoye @ Nairaland

I have decided to say away from the argument of tithes . . . ever.

I give money to the church when I'm blessed and I want to (regularly) . . not because the pastor told me to - he is human and flesh like me. He is a prophet and so am I. He is annointed and so am I.

My Jesus said to be a good samaritan and that is what I have always tried to do. God will never neglect me if I am my brother's keeper and help those who are truly in need.


This is what I stand on and THE ONE that I serve and worship has never failed me.

Do whatever works for you . . and good luck.

You said it all bro,

@btlasisi . . let your faith be urs and let that of others be theirs . . .!!

Its unfortunate you are not in Saudi Arabia, in reasonable societies, everything is questioned including political and religious authorities.

lexicon:

You said it all bro,

@btlasisi . . let your faith be urs and let that of others be theirs . . .!!

interesting. so how did you have your faith if not that someone shared theirs with you or your parent and became convinced that it is better than what you have already

pawa4ul:

[color=#006600][b]THE BASIS OF JESUS' TEACHING IS ''GIVE TO THE POOR.'' WHY NOT WE DWELL MORE ON THIS IF WE REALLY SEE OURSELVES AS HIS DISCIPLES RATHER THAN THIS TITHE THING?
IT IS A PITY THAT CHURCHES HAVE REALLY DEVIATED FROM THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR MASTER JESUS AND TWISTING IT THEIR OWN WAY, JUST TO HAVE ENOUGH (WILL I SAY) CUSTOMERS.

A GOOD EXAMPLE IS ABOUT COVERING OF HAIR BY WOMEN (1 COR 11). THE CHURCHES OF TODAY IGNORE WHAT IS CONSPICOUSLY WRITTEN FROM VERSE 5 OF THIS SCRIPTURE, AND WRONGLY QUOTE THE LAST SIDE OF IT TO JUSTIFY THE REASON FOR ALLOWING GIRLS DRESS FREELY TO CHURCH. IF WE TAKE A CRITICAL LOOK AT IT, IT IS NOT THE DOCTRINE THAT THEY ARE AFTER, BUT THAT WHICH WILL MAKE LADIES BE FREE TO COME IN AS MULTITUDE OF CUSTOMERS, AFTERALL IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD THERE IS LIBERTY. AND TRUST THAT WHEREVER WOMEN SHOW-CASE THEIR BODIES, MEN ARE BOUND TO COME IN QUANTUM.

THEY CLAIM THAT THINGS LIKE BURNING OF CANDLES AND INCENCES ARE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT THEY REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TITHE IS ALSO AN OLD TESTAMENT THING.

MAY GOD DELIVER US

LET US ASK THE HOLY GHOST OUR COMFORTER TO DIRECT US ON WHAT TO DO

Because pastors are developing pot belly while majority of their congregation are turning to skeletons in human clothes.

Conditioning, It's very sad to see.

People need to go and study their Bibles instead of all this pay/don't pay tithes. As if Money or Tithing saves anybody.
Everything one does as a 'Christian' should be out of Love so there is no obligation there.

naijacutee: Because tithes are supposed to be paid to God, and not to finance luxury lifestyles. So the reluctance to pay tithes is aimed at paying to particular people, not God.

All the nonsense we do, dancing around the place because we want to put N5000 into the offering bag in front of the church, where everyone can see does not glorify God. We do it to glorify ourselves, and to show that we have arrived. What Jesus commanded is that our gifts to God should be paid to the homeless people, beggars on the street and people in the most desperate need. People we see around us everyday.  This is a hard saying, but it is true. What is the point of going to church on Sunday and donating towards someones 2011 Lexus Jeep (Trust me, that is what he is saving the money for), when you leave the church and there are little children selling groundnut everywhere?

Abi ooh. Churches would assemble committees to buy the Pastor a car or jet and what not.
LOL@dancing around the place, It's a pity Churches are now reduced to Show and Tell arenas.
Where else would you show off your new outfit or cars?

i think we should give God more than tithe. many are making idol out of tithing they claim evil cannot beffall them if they pay tithe they even go to the extent of challenging God immediately they are faced with any natural challenges. Jesus said 'do you think those that the wall of siloamfell upon are more sinner than you, Nay but if you failed to repent you shall likewise perish' i think we should stop binding ourself with scriptures. Pay tithe or not the promises of God abound, many apy thithes and neglect the needy beside them. many has won millions and cannot give 20 percent or more for Him. we should give more than tithe and help the people around us. as you help more people God will be happy with you. leave the scrap of tithe or no tithe alone jare. let go unto perfection

"I'm giving the Levites all the tithes of Israel as their pay for the work they do in

the Tent of Meeting. Starting now, the rest of the People of Israel cannot wander in and

out of the Tent of Meeting; they'll be penalized for their sin and the penalty is death.

It's the Levites and only the Levites who are to work in the Tent of Meeting and they

are responsible for anything that goes wrong. This is the regular rule for all time.

They get no inheritance among the People of Israel; instead I turn over to them the

tithes that the People of Israel present as an offering to God. That's why I give the

ruling: They are to receive no land-inheritance among the People of Israel."
Numbers 18:20-22 (The Message Bible)