shadeyinka:

Jesus wasn't speaking about the literal Physical gehenna. Jesus was speaking of a place of torment! It was rendered as hell in English translations. Those who want to hide the fact that Judgement exist for both the good and the evil refuse to translate it into other than gehenna.

Why don't bodies dissapear to this Hell today?


Are the WORMS FLESH OR SPIRIT ?
let's see worms having spirit bodies

So, how did the rich man enter gehenna? He was buried, wasn't he?

The Rich man never entered Gehenna. You are sweating too much and its affecting your thinking

I have highlighted your lie in bold. Unworthy of Resurection?
Gehenna was simply a refuse dump. And Living beings animal or man were not thrown there as at the time of Jesus.
You've not explained the "parable" Jesus was teaching!

Yes, Sheol isn't Gehenna! Sheol means several things depending on the context
1. The place where the dead goes or abode of the dead
2. The grave/under the earth
In the old testament, there was no distinction between the good, the evil or even the animals in Sheol . It was in the new testament that we know that the place of the dead is not uniform. There is Hades or Tartarus and when used as a figure of speech Gehenna.

So, if Jesus wasn't refering to the Literal Physical Gehenna as the Municipal Refuse Dump what do you think Gehenna should be translated to in English (note: Gehenna isn't a translation, it is a transliteration)

In literal Gehenna , It's corpse that are thrown there, This corpse are viewed by the Jews as not worthy of Ressurection. So Jesus used Gehenna to represent complete destruction from which a person won't be resurrected

A glorified physical body is a perfect body that has the extraordinary capabilities of both physical and spiritual nature.
If Jesus chose to retain the mark of Crucifixion, what is that to you? Does that invalidate his majesty?

A Glorified Perfect Body doesn't have defects. If it has defects , it isnt Perfect or Glorified.
Common sense which God gave you should help you on that. Its either you are lying he was raised a glorified body .or Christ is not physical , but only materialized a body suited for the occasion.

The bible said How Christ ressurection is will determine others. " As the heavenly one, so is those who are heavenly " , it will mean someone with hunch back or Crippled legs will receive their defects.

Don't forget that the same Jesus appeared to John in Revelation as white Haired and eyes burnings like fire?
Rev 1:14:
"His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;"

It is JWs who will return as hunchbacks at Resurection!

Are you now saying Christ doesn't have Marks again?

Is this description nor different from what appeared to Thomas ?


Confess, your knowledge of this subject is low

You have robed yourself. You must explain why the difference

My questions, you didn't answer:



symbolic. If you claim a part is literal it should be justified, if symbolic, it should also be justified and if a mixture, it should be justified.

Hence,
If the souls in question are symbolic, apply it to answer:

Is 100% symbolic, would you please explain the symbolic meaning of
1. Those who were slain?
2. What it meant by "they cried with a loud voice"?
3. Told to rest a little while?
4. Given white robes?
5. The fellow brothers that should be killed on the earth?
6. Those who dwell on the earth.

DeOTR gave you some explanations. But I won't help you further.

If you agree other seals where stars fell are illustration, that automatically include the fifth seal

In Hell: the soul/spirit

Jesus said BODY and soul in hell . Are you denying ?

In the Lake of Fire: the body , soul/spirit

Jesus said HELL ( KJV ) not Lake of fire .

Body in hell, worms in hell ?

Spirit worms ?

After God has killed, He has the power to cast the dead person into Hell!
Compare with:
After Man has killed, he has the power to bury the dead person in the ground!

If all God can do is to kill just as man could, there is no reason to fear Him.

Luk 12:4-5:
"And I say to you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him."

Matthew 5:29 says what God will cast his the BODY into Hell , why are you denying it and reading lake of fire? HELL appear right ?

OLAADEGBU:


Man consists of spirit, soul and body all of which is a replication each other in shape.



He went to paradise on that day as He had assured the thief on His right side. At least you now believe that the spirit can return to God and not be extincted or annihilated.



You can ask Jesus to address your question, He is the One who said it unless you are accusing Him of lying.



Rather, the Watchtower magazine never said Sheol is divided into two places.



Paradise was emptied when Christ took with Him at His ascension the Old testament saints. (See Ephesians 4:8-10).



Those who have gone to a watery grave where the chemicals of their bodies have been dissolved in the waters of the sea will be raised. God will have no difficulties in putting together their atoms again. The graves on earth will give up their bodies and Hades, the place where spirits of the lost go will be emptied for this judgment. This is where you should ask yourself about your false theology. If the dead's spirit goes into extinction after death as you have been led to believe, how will what is extinct become resurrected? In what body will it be resurrected since the previous one has been annihilated, according to your theology?

Scripture for the highlighted that says he went to paradise? (1)

(2) did his Spirit not return to God in heaven ? Was he there ?

OLAADEGBU:


The difference is between the resurrection of the body and the immortality of the soul. Paul answers that question (See 1 Corinthians 15:35-50).

Ressurection of the body can't be spiritual or spirit body. Spirit isn't physical. A primary school kid knows this basic knowledge

So give a proper difference!

We preach Christ crucified, buried and bodily resurrected.



If something does not exist after death how then does it resurrect?



The sinners go to a place of conscious torment separated away from God while the righteous go to God's heaven. Sinners to eternal death and the righteous to eternal life.

Sinner will LIVE ( LiFE) eternally in hell. If you nod on agreement , just know you have given them free eternal life ticket.

That is what your Watchtower society would lead you to believe.



Ask Jesus who said so when revealing a realm we knew nothing of before.

Jesus never said Abraham bosom is Paradise!!!

Comprehend?

Rather, the lake of fire with brimstone is not open for business yet.



They are in a conscious existence in a place of torment, where they still have all their senses even sharper than they were before they died.

Conscious existence indicate presence of LIFE, (Act 17;28) You have given sinners free eternal life ticket.

Barristter07:


Why don't bodies dissapear to this Hell today?


Are the WORMS FLESH OR SPIRIT ?
let's see worms having spirit bodies




The Rich man never entered Gehenna. You are sweating too much and its affecting your thinking



In literal Gehenna , It's corpse that are thrown there, This corpse are viewed by the Jews as not worthy of Ressurection. So Jesus used Gehenna to represent complete destruction from which a person won't be resurrected



A Glorified Perfect Body doesn't have defects. If it has defects , it isnt Perfect or Glorified.
Common sense which God gave you should help you on that. Its either you are lying he was raised a glorified body .or Christ is not physical , but only materialized a body suited for the occasion.

The bible said How Christ ressurection is will determine others. " As the heavenly one, so is those who are heavenly " , it will mean someone with hunch back or Crippled legs will receive their defects.




Are you now saying Christ doesn't have Marks again?

Is this description nor different from what appeared to Thomas ?


Confess, your knowledge of this subject is low

You have robed yourself. You must explain why the difference



DeOTR gave you some explanations. But I won't help you further.

If you agree other seals where stars fell are illustration, that automatically include the fifth seal



Jesus said BODY and soul in hell . Are you denying ?


Jesus said HELL ( KJV ) not Lake of fire .

Body in hell, worms in hell ?

Spirit worms ?




Matthew 5:29 says what God will cast his the BODY into Hell , why are you denying it and reading lake of fire? HELL appear right ?

On this case, I leave you with the following Scripture

Rev 19:20:
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that worked miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Rev 20:14-15:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Enjoy your DECEPTION!

When you can't answer if the worms are spirit or flesh, you quickly rush am

shadeyinka:

On this case, I leave you with the following Scripture

Rev 19:20:
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that worked miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Interesting the beast and false prophet are thrown alive , THEY NEVER DIED.

Who is this personality that was thrown Into lake of fire without dying ? Shadeyinka .

Rev 20:10:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Rev 20:14-15:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Enjoy your DECEPTION!

The beast was thrown Bodily ALIVE into this lake of fire without dying.

Who is that personality that went to lake of fire ALIVE ?

Barristter07:
When you can't answer if the worms are spirit or flesh, you quickly rush am




Interesting the beast and false prophet are thrown alive , THEY NEVER DIED.

Who is this personality that was thrown Into lake of fire without dying ? Shadeyinka .



The beast was thrown Bodily ALIVE into this lake of fire without dying.

Who is that personality that went to lake of fire ALIVE ?

Rev 20:15
: "And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

shadeyinka:

Rev 20:15
: "And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

You would have done well to explain how a beast ( Human personality figure like Hitler according to Shadeyinka ) managed to go to lake of fire alive without dying ?

Barristter07:


You would have done well to explain how a beast ( Human personality figure like Hitler according to Shadeyinka ) managed to go to lake of fire alive without dying ?

You don't have a iota of right to demand for my answer.
BTW
After you have answered all my questions you dodged I could oblige you.
Rev 2:11:
"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."


On a second thought:
The same reason why didn't fire kill Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

Go back and answer all my questions!

shadeyinka:

You don't have a iota of right to demand for my answer.
BTW
After you have answered all my questions you dodged I could oblige you.
Rev 2:11:
"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."


On a second thought:
The same reason why didn't fire kill Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

Go back and answer all my questions!

The beast is not a person, it's a Kingdom/City/Apostate church sort of. This is very clear from the Book itself

DeOTR:

The beast is not a person, it's a Kingdom/City/Apostate church sort of. This is very clear from the Book itself

My post had nothing to do with any beast!

shadeyinka:


Rev 2:11:
"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."


On a second thought:
The same reason why didn't fire kill Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

If there's correlation between your lake of fire claims and Shadrach/his peers.
Shadrach/his peers were thrown into the burning furnace (Daniel 3:19,20,23) for their faithful integrity but an angel in the furnace kept them safe (Daniel 3:25).

So, do you mean that "he that overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them there?
Wetin them go do there?

shadeyinka:


Literal Gehenna is a place where dead corpse were thrown
The Gehenna Jesus was talking about is where Living beings are thrown. That is why it is translated hell.

Of course, you think when a person dies his conciousness extinguishes. Unfortunately, Jesus says no! Lazarus and the rich man is an example.

The Scripture below is a testimony against you

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

If the dead corpse know nothing, then it is foolishness to warn him of being thrown into Literal Gehenna.

Junk, fictional post.
Isaiah 66:24 is the scripture Jesus had in mind when he spoke the words of Mark9:43.
You dey twist Rev6:9-11.
Jesus never said living beings were cast into Gehenna. He said what Isaiah 66:24 said.
**Isaiah 66:24
”New American Standard Bible
"Then they will go forth and look On the
corpses of the men Who have transgressed
against Me. For their worm will not die And
their fire will not be quenched; And they will
be an abhorrence to all mankind."
King James Bible
And they shall go forth, and look upon the
carcases of the men that have transgressed
against me: for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched; and they
shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."



***You know Lazarus was still conscious after death. Yet, after his resurrection (John11:44) Lazarus forgot to tell his family and friends about his memorable out of this world experience in the bosom of Abraham .....

Go look for another poo to post on NL.

Janosky:


If there's correlation between your lake of fire claims and Shadrach/his peers.
Shadrach/his peers were thrown into the burning furnace (Daniel 3:19,20,23) for their faithful integrity but an angel in the furnace kept them safe (Daniel 3:25).

So, do you mean that "he that overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them there?
Wetin them go do there?

An Angel kept them safe!?
Unfortunately, there would be no Angel to keep you safe in the lake of fire!

You are on your own!

MISHIGAS!

. DEUTERONOMY 32:22.

22. For a Fire is kindled
in Mine Anger,
and shall burn unto
The Lowest Hell,
and shall consume
the Earth with her increase,
and set on fire
the foundations
of the mountains.

Before criticizing or defending The Bible, one should have read It all.

Nonetheless, reading The Bible is useless, if one does not remember what one has read.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

There is only the one possible way to achieve GOOD SUCCESS.

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

THAT WAY IS BY MEDITATING DAY AND NIGHT IN THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES.

If there were any other Way, God would have Said so.

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not
in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth
in the Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth
in the Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is
in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law
doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth
shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff
which the wind driveth away.
5.Therefore the Ungodly
shall not stand
in The Judgment,
nor Sinners
in The Congregation
of The Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth
The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly
shall Perish.

BEING FRIENDS WITH THE WICKED, A SINNER, OR SCORNFUL IS NOT THE WAY.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate
every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

THE AVERAGE HUMAN ADULT- aka SINFUL SCUMBAG- USES LESS THAN 10% OF THEIR MIND, CONSCIOUSLY.[/i]

That is insufficient to run TOTAL RECALL- the least of THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

oaroloye:


. [b] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

Meditation on The Law of God by Moses is the specific remedy for the rehabilitation of TOTAL RECALL.

In TOTALLY RECALLING the "mouthful" of The Law one uses as "mantra," the Mental Blocks preventing Total Recall of the whole Law are surmounted, and one becomes able to Recall every Word of The Law.

In Recalling every Commandment of The Law, one begins to Totally Recall where one has experienced those Commandments before.

VISIO-RECALL is rehabilitated.

Instead of merely REMEMBERING the Past, one RELIVES It, as if It were happening in Present Time.

It is like DREAMING, except one has CONTROL of the Recall, and can STOP It, REVERSE It, ZOOM IN on DETAILS.

At advanced levels, one will be able to EXTERIORIZE from the EXPERIENCE and review the Memories from the OUTSIDE.

For instance, if you were in a crowd of people, you walking down the street, you can go back to the Memory, EXTERIORIZE, and examine every one of them- even the ones who were behind you, whom you never saw.

You can TOTALLY RECALL every piece of writing you ever saw, and read what it said- even though you never had time to read it before.

At the most advanced levels, however, you can *see* the origin of every BIBLE VERSE, and the events of which they speak.

When The Bible talks about people in HELL, you *SEE* exactly whom The Bible talks about.

. MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth
a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men
put new wine
into old bottles:
else the bottles break,
and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine
into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

NEEDLESS TO SAY, THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT THIS TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE!

You [i]*see* things you cannot unsee.

These Visions can literally break down the Mind into, well, SOUP. Does that sound funny to you?

Go down to your nearest MENTAL HOSPITAL: there you will find FAILED PROPHETS.

]. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather
grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'

23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'

24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise Man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26 . "And every one
that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish Man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had
ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CASE OF A CHRISTIAN PROPHET: ONE WHO DID ALL OF LORD YESHUA'S SAYINGS.

Therefore they became INSANE from TRYING to be Prophets of God.

THE NEW TESTAMENT is about how LORD YESHUA'S FOLLOWERS went MAD from trying to proceed without OBEYING HIS TEACHINGS.

Just because they were not gibbering and salivating does not make them SANE.

You need to compare what they said with what Lord Yeshua Commanded them to say. It helps if you have TOTAL RECALL of what The Lord Said to them.

Trying to process DIVINE TRUTH, while holding on to SINFUL LIES, will STRESS your Mind beyond TOLERANCES, so that it RUPTURES or EXPLODES.

THE LAW AND THE GOSPEL PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING BY BEING A FOUNDATION TO THE MIND, PROVIDING FLUIDITY AND ELASTICITY, ENABLING IT TO ALWAYS RETURN TO ITS DEFAULT STATE OF SANITY AND PERCEPTION.

SINNERS don't have that, so they get BLOWN AWAY, BEATEN DOWN, and OVERWHELMED.

I have not gotten to the REALLY GOOD PARTS yet.

A PROPHET OF GOD CAN TRANSFER HIS PERCEPTIONS TO ANOTHER PROPHET- OR TO A NON-PROPHET!

If you want to *SEE* Hell, I want you to understand that I totally know how to arrange that!

Jozzy4:


Jesus therefore proved Gehenna isn't hellfire, No living being are thrown there but unconscious bodies. No wonder Jesus make reference to body in Gehenna

Does Body go to your fictional hell ? That should have restored your factory setting that Jesus didn't have such in mind.

. NUMBERS 16:28-33.

28. And Moses said,

"Hereby ye shall know
that the LORD hath
sent me to do
all these Works;
for I have not done them
of mine own mind.

29. " 'IF THESE MEN DIE
THE COMMON DEATH
OF ALL MEN,
OR IF THEY BE VISITED
AFTER THE VISITATION
OF ALL MEN;
THEN THE LORD
HATH NOT SENT ME.
30. 'BUT IF THE LORD
MAKE A NEW THING,
AND THE EARTH
OPEN HER MOUTH,
AND SWALLOW THEM UP,
WITH ALL THAT APPERTAIN
UNTO THEM,
AND THEY GO DOWN QUICK
INTO THE PIT;
THEN YE SHALL UNDERSTAND
THAT THESE MEN
HAVE PROVOKED THE LORD.' "

31. And it came to pass,
as he had made an end
of speaking all these words,
that the ground
clave asunder
that was under them:
32. And the Earth
opened her mouth,
and swallowed them up,
and their houses,
and all the men
that appertained unto Korah,
and all their goods.
33. They, and all
that appertained to them,
went down alive
into the Pit,
and the Earth
closed upon them:
and they perished from
among the Congregation.

EVERY HEBREW ISRAELITE WAS AWARE OF WHAT LORD YESHUA WAS ALLUDING TO: THE DAY WHEN A WHOLE CLAN WENT DOWN TO HELL, ALIVE.[/i]

A lazy Gentile wouldn't know about that, of course. A wicked Gentile could pretend not to know about it.

Jozzy4:

Worms? Lolzzzzzz, are this worms spirit or physical ? Because I know worms exist in Gehenna and they are physical fleshly worms,

Do worms exist in your fiction hell ? Cc: Barristter07 come and see something

EVERY LIVING CREATURE HAS A SPIRIT AND A SOUL.

However, not every Living Creature has a PHYSICAL BODY. They do not need one yo Survive.

The Physical Bodies of Earthly Creatures are CONTAINMENTS for our SOULS- if the CONTAINMENT is COMPROMIZED, the Soul does not usually last long.

It is immediately tested by being required to render a copy of its LIFE-LOG of MEMORIES.

If it cannot do that, completely, on-the-spot, the manifested Entity that collects such Records cuts into the Soul Body, and extracts that Memory by Brute Force, and then departs- presumably to Heaven.

Merely watching this process is dangerous- it can aberrate the insufficiently-disciplined mind; it can kill outright.

The Soul whose memories are extracted by force is completely compromised- It becomes unable to deploy Its AftetLife Body. It is torn apart, as Scavenging Spirit Beings harvest Its last Life Energies.

The extremely stupid think that Living Things just exist as long as they like, and are intrinsically immortal. The Earth's Biocosm is a Physical Dramatization of what goes on in THE SPIRITUAL REALM.

There are Predators in the Spiritual Realm, and there are Prey. The Physical Body is a large part of our protection against Spiritual Predators.

Sinners develop a stiff crust of CONDENSED SPIRITUAL ENERGY I like to call "MEST."

This shields a Sinner from Spiritual Forces- but has the disadvantage that it also prevents the Sinners from using Spiritual Power for their own benefit. People who mess with Spiritual Discipline weaken, and may even discard the MEST SHIELD altogether.

If they don't know how to handle themselves, they can end up INSANE or DEAD, when the Predators get to them.

. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts
of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom
of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon
is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN
INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE
I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in
and dwell there:
and the last state
of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT USE THE LAW OR THE GOSPEL TO PROTECT THEMSELVES DESERVES WHATEVER THEY GET.

TOTAL RECALL can compromise the MEST SHIELD- if one renounces the Sins that created it, one can cast it off completely. But if one instead embraces those Sins, and does nothing to REPENT AND RESTITUTE them, one will SURVIVE FIRST DEATH- because the Memory Collection Entity will get all the data It needs, without destroying one's Soul Body.

After It departs, such a Sinner will be able to use the Life Energies of every cell to create a SPIRIT-ENERGY BODY, and deploy it into the Spiritual Realm.

The Predators do not get to devour the whole Soul Body.

However, this being is now a THREAT to the Living, and must be CONTAINED.

The Predators can take such Souls and Create Pseudo-Worlds for them, in order to SAP THEIR LIFE ENERGIES.

The Pseudo-World can be a HELL, or It can be a PARADISE.

Only in THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT are Sinners guaranteed HELL- IF THEY SURVIVE FIRST DEATH.

The ISLAMIC BELIEF, that the FAITH OF ALLAH will be given a Harem of 72 Houris is probably TRUE.

However, these Paradises are NOT what the Souls trapped in them THINK they are.

They may THINK that they are f(*Bleep!*)cking some beautiful MAIDENS- Wining and Dining- but, in Reality, they are POURING THEIR LIFE ENERGY- which they are still receiving from Heaven, because they are still alive- to FEED WICKED SPIRIT BEINGS- just as they did on Earth.

If they could *see* what was REALLY going on, they should *see* their Soul Body IMPRISONED IN A COCOON, with WORMLIKE CREATURES SUCKING THE LIVING ENERGY OUT OF THEM.

We know this, because someone that this happened to, ESCAPED from his imprisonment.

This was the Anthropologist, CARLOS CASTANEDA. He messed with Spirit Beings, against his Benefactor's advice, and fell into one of their traps WHILE IN A DREAM.

THEY SEIZED HIS PHYSICAL BODY AND HIS SOUL, AND IMPRISONED THEM IN THEIR REALM, WHERE HE HAD RASHLY TRIED TO FREE A FEMALE PRISONER WHO HAD APPEALED TO HIM.

The Prisoner, who had been trapped there for Exploring, sought out his Benefactor, Don JUAN MATUS, who needed no explanation for what had happened, as soon as he saw her. He immediately scrambled a Team and successfully extracted Carlos Castaneda from his imprisonment.

This experience granted him extraordinary respect in their circle, because no one in their lineage had been privileged to participate in such an operation before.

Don JUAN appeared to have enabled the liberated Spirit Being to *possess* a young woman named PAMELA PARTIN. She lived amongst Carlos Castaneda's entourage as a co-instructor in his School (CLEARGREEN Incorporated,) calling herself "THE BLUE SCOUT," (after her Energy-Signature).

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda.]

(This Pamela Partin has been confirmed dead, apparently in some Desert Exercise.)

The female co-students with Carlos Castaneda were taught that the act of Sexual Intercourse deposits some of the Energy of the Males in the Females, which abide there as living beings in their own right, which survive for as long as seven years after their host's last sexual contact. If she can refrain from having sex for seven years, these energy beings, which appear as worms, die out on their own.

If she had different sex partners within that period, they each deposit their own energy worms in her, feeding off of her, and influencing her to have more sex to revitalize them. "The worst part of it," they were taught, "is that when the seven years are almost up, all the worms gang up on the woman together, to compel her to have sex, " one more time," and, if she falls for that, they will be restored to full-strength, and it will take another seven years to get rid of them!

[See: THE SORCERER'S CROSSING, by Taisha Abelar.]

Whereas, Lord Yeshua said, the worms of HELL do not die!

shadeyinka:

An Angel kept them safe!?
Unfortunately, there would be no Angel to keep you safe in the lake of fire!
You are on your own!

Hmmm, your problem is insisting on keeping what those who bought it have thrown into the trash!

There is nothing as in NOTHING like hellfire!

The Roman Catholic fathers in the Church adopted this theory from Greek philosophers to instill fear in the hearts of their members back then, so that nobody rebels against the Pope in Rome! All those who tried to find out the truth by possessing or reading the Bible on their own were burnt alive!
You can Google 'the inquisition on possession of Bible' the mindset of those tormentors was to make offenders feel the pain of hellfire while burning so that they repent before dying!

The Bible is a book full of THEORIES, if you're not close to those who were chosen by the author to teach you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the theory, you'll never be able to present it with divine wisdom so all you'll be doing is lying to yourself and others because there won't be any agreement amongst your folks regarding how to apply what you're all teaching. So no BENEFIT will ever come out of it!

Jesus taught a lot of THEORIES {Matthew 5-7} which certainly confused most of his listeners {John 6:60-66} but he took the time to analyze the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what he's saying to those who stood by him { Matthew 13:36-40} and promised them that even while they're still alive they will enjoying the BENEFITS {that is if they apply it correctly}! Matthew 7:24-27, Mark 10:28-30

But if you continue this way, it's the spirit of Cain that will keep following you. Notice that you're like seeing people who disagrees with you been tormented inside hot furnace just as Nebuchadnezzar did!
Well that's the spirit of Cain and it also affected Ishmael that's why his descendants are terrorists today, as they're trying to claim what doesn't belong to them {pure worship} Genesis 16:11-12

So use your brain! This is not your fault. Satan smartly spread falsehood throughout the earth so that the truth about God became so scarce {Amos 8:11} That's why Jesus asked us to go and meet people in their homes to help them! No matter how hard you try, the Bible can never be convincingly explained to support burning people ALIVE in fire! Jeremiah 19:5

Maximus69:


Hmmm, your problem is insisting on keeping what those who bought it have thrown into the trash!

There is nothing as in NOTHING like hellfire!

The Roman Catholic fathers in the Church adopted this theory from Greek philosophers to instill fear in the hearts of their members back then, so that nobody rebels against the Pope in Rome! All those who tried to find out the truth by possessing or reading the Bible on their own were burnt alive!
You can Google 'the inquisition on possession of Bible' the mindset of those tormentors was to make offenders feel the pain of hellfire while burning so that they repent before dying!

The Bible is a book full of THEORIES, if you're not close to those who were chosen by the author to teach you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the theory, you'll never be able to present it with divine wisdom so all you'll be doing is lying to yourself and others because there won't be any agreement amongst your folks regarding how to apply what you're all teaching. So no BENEFIT will ever come out of it!

Jesus taught a lot of THEORIES {Matthew 5-7} which certainly confused most of his listeners {John 6:60-66} but he took the time to analyze the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what he's saying to those who stood by him { Matthew 13:36-40} and promised them that even while they're still alive they will enjoying the BENEFITS {that is if they apply it correctly}! Matthew 7:24-27, Mark 10:28-30

But if you continue this way, it's the spirit of Cain that will keep following you. Notice that you're like seeing people who disagrees with you been tormented inside hot furnace just as Nebuchadnezzar did!
Well that's the spirit of Cain and it also affected Ishmael that's why his descendants are terrorists today, as they're trying to claim what doesn't belong to them {pure worship} Genesis 16:11-12

So use your brain! This is not your fault. Satan smartly spread falsehood throughout the earth so that the truth about God became so scarce {Amos 8:11} That's why Jesus asked us to go and meet people in their homes to help them! No matter how hard you try, the Bible can never be convincingly explained to support burning people ALIVE in fire! Jeremiah 19:5

Why are you preaching like an atheist?
Leave the rest of us who hold on the full bible truth alone and don't get us to form a bandwagon with you.

As you have thought:" the pain of hell would be reduced if EVERYONE is a partaker".

Jesus called it HELL!
And sometimes he called it HELL FIRE!
The book of Revelation calls it THE LAKE OF FIRE!
Daniel Called it EVERLASTING SHAME!

It is God's prison yard for people who wouldn't listen to their conscience!

shadeyinka:
An Angel kept them safe!? Unfortunately, there would be no Angel to keep you safe in the lake of fire!
You are on your own!

You're just dey post junk, but Answer my questions I dey ask you: So, do you mean that "he that overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ? Who threw them there or send them there? Wetin them go do there?

*

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

. DEUTERONOMY 32:22.

22. For a Fire is kindled
in Mine Anger,
and shall burn unto
The Lowest Hell,
and shall consume
the Earth with her increase,
and set on fire
the foundations
of the mountains.

Before criticizing or defending The Bible, one should have read It all.

Lord Yeshua said, the worms of HELL do not die!

***** New American Standard 1977
"For a fire is kindled in My anger, And burns
to the lowest part of Sheol, And consumes
the earth with its yield, And sets on fire the
foundations of the mountains.

***Jubilee Bible 2000
For fire shall be kindled in my anger and
shall burn unto the lowest part of Sheol and
shall consume the earth with her fruit and
burn up the foundations of the mountains."

** oaroloye, what is Sheol?
Worms,maggots in Sheol always survive on corpses they feed on, so what?


#Jeremiah 25:33
***** World English Bible
The slain of Yahweh shall be at that day
from one end of the earth even to the other
end of the earth: they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be
dung on the surface of the ground.


****Young's Literal Translation
And the pierced of Jehovah have been in
that day, From the end of the earth even
unto the end of the earth, They are not
lamented, nor gathered, nor buried, For dung
on the face of the ground they are."

Jehovah burns with fiery anger, does oaroloye know what it means?

shadeyinka:

Why are you preaching like an atheist?
Leave the rest of us who hold on the full bible truth alone and don't get us to form a bandwagon with you.
As you have thought:" the pain of hell would be reduced if EVERYONE is a partaker".
Jesus called it HELL!
And sometimes he called it HELL FIRE!
The book of Revelation calls it THE LAKE OF FIRE!
Daniel Called it EVERLASTING SHAME!
It is God's prison yard for people who wouldn't listen to their conscience!

Wow!
So you're this empty?
Did you actually think Jesus spoke English that's used in printing your copy of the Bible?
Helooo Jesus spoke Hebrew!

So what you're having there in your hands is just a translation done by those who believe in eternal torment!
Whereas the author has declared that he hates the idea of those inflicting excruciating pain on his creatures,
Adding IT HAS NEVER COME INTO MY HEART! I Jeremiah 7:31,19:5

So we're cool with whatever you think Sir, because we surely know that whatever you read in our book {Bible} will continue to confuse you if you don't come to us for enlightenment! Zachariah 8:23

Maximus69:


Wow!
So you're this empty?
Did you actually think Jesus spoke English that's used in printing your copy of the Bible?
Helooo Jesus spoke Hebrew!

So what you're having there in your hands is just a translation done by those who believe in eternal torment!
Whereas the author has declared that he hates the idea of those inflicting excruciating pain on his creatures,
Adding IT HAS NEVER COME INTO MY HEART! I Jeremiah 7:31,19:5

So we're cool with whatever you think Sir, because we surely know that whatever you read in our book {Bible} will continue to confuse you if you don't come to us for enlightenment! Zachariah 8:23

I wasn't reaching out to you.

I said "You are Preaching like an Atheist!"

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

YES, the tactics is still the same!

Janosky:

You're just dey post junk, but
Answer my questions I dey ask you:
So, do you mean that "he that
overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them
there?
Wetin them go do there?

John 8:32:
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Go back to Jesus!
Rev 3:17-18:
"Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your unclothedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see."

shadeyinka:

I wasn't reaching out to you.

I said "You are Preaching like an Atheist!"

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

YES, the tactics is still the same!

Whatever Shadeyinka,
You can continue with your arguments after all you've got your brethren on faceless social media giving you thumbs up even when your own PERSONAL doctrines contradicts what their pastors are teaching them!

So keep it up Sir!

Maximus69:

Whatever Shadeyinka,
You can continue with your arguments after all you've got your brethren on faceless social media giving you thumbs up even when your own PERSONAL doctrines contradicts what their pastors are teaching them!

So keep it up Sir!

I didn't even know that anyone was giving my posts to you a thumbs up: thanks for letting me know that the truth is being appreciated by those who are spiritually alive.

Heb 9:14:
"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

shadeyinka:

John 8:32:
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Go back to Jesus!
Rev 3:17-18:
"Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your unclothedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see."

Janosky :
My Bro in Agric Business says a weed (junk) is any plant growing where it is not wanted (or serve a useful purpose).
For you to post John 8:32. Rev3:17,18 to my questions is equals to junk post.
Both verses never said anything about my question to you.
As long as you can't respond to these questions below, you're just dey post junk.

Answer my questions I dey ask you:
So, do you mean that "he that
overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them
there?
Wetin them go do there?

shadeyinka:

I didn't even know that anyone was giving my posts to you a thumbs up: thanks for letting me know that the truth is being appreciated by those who are spiritually alive.

Heb 9:14:
"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

OK now, itumo o?

Practical Application of your Quotations Sir!

How do people serve the living God when you can't present any practical application?

Have you forgotten that you read that book just as others also have the right to read it?

So which religious PRACTICE amongst thousands of those claiming Christians should be APPLIED now when the quoted scripture pointedly said SERVE THE LIVING GOD? Or is there no practical way of serving that living God?

You'll continue to quote our book and you'll never find any useful application to it since you chose to reject the TRUTH!

Maximus69:

OK now, itumo o?

Practical Application of your Quotations Sir!

How do people serve the living God when you can't present any practical application?

Have you forgotten that you read that book just as others also have the right to read it?

So which religious PRACTICE amongst thousands of those claiming Christians should be APPLIED now when the quoted scripture pointedly said SERVE THE LIVING GOD? Or is there no practical way of serving that living God?

You'll continue to quote our book and you'll never find any useful application to it since you chose to reject the TRUTH!

I didn't know the "dead works" in the Scripture below pained you!

Heb 9:14:
"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

It's the way Gods word is oh.
It's like a hammer!
It's also a double edged sword!

I am not sorry it touched you. Go amend your ways!

Janosky:

Janosky :
My Bro in Agric Business says a weed (junk) is any plant growing where it is not wanted (or serve a useful purpose).
For you to post John 8:32. Rev3:17,18 to my questions is equals to junk post.
Both verses never said anything about my question to you.
As long as you can't respond to these questions below, you're just dey post junk.

Answer my questions I dey ask you:
So, do you mean that "he that
overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them
there?
Wetin them go do there?

Eccl 9:18:
"Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroys much good."

Isa 1:28:
"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

God's word is a mirror: see your face!

SHALOM!

Maximus69:


Hmmm, your problem is insisting on keeping what those who bought it have thrown into the trash!

There is nothing as in NOTHING like hellfire!

It annoys me to see this abuse of English Language, which happens to be my First Language.

The correct term is:

"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS... "

Saying, "THERE IS NOTHING LIKE... " means, to an English person, that you greatly enjoyed whatever you are saying that "there is nothing like."

How can you possibly know that there is no such thing as "HELL FIRE?"

Have you been to Hell before?

Are you a Prophet, or a Seer, who can observe what becomes of the dead?

I have done neither of those things, but there are people who have testified that they have. Most of those are not credible witnesses: some are.

I believe a few, because their Testimonies have Biblical Backing.

I do not just look at the Testimony, I also look at the life of the person testifying.

KENNETH HAGIN said that he died and went to Hell, at the time he was sick and hsndicapped, but before he could be imprisoned, he was raised from the dead by the prayers of his mother and grandmother.

He was converted by this experience, and seriously studied The Bible, until he was able to unprecedentedly Heal himself.

He went on to become a Baptist Boy Preacher, then excommunicated for receiving The Holy Ghost Baptism with Evidence of Speaking in Tongues.

He became a Pillar of the 20th Century Gentile Church, teaching FAITH. Many have applied his Teachings to achieve Healing and Miracles of their own.

I am one of such people.

I might not be alive today, but for his Teachings, and the Teachings of people who learned from him.

That is what I call a "Credible Testimony."

If a man like that says he saw Hell, I believe that he could have seen Hell.

[See: I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth E. Hagin.]

What makes YOUR utterances credible?

Swamp Gas?

Maximus69:


The Roman Catholic fathers in the Church adopted this theory from Greek philosophers to instill fear in the hearts of their members back then, so that nobody rebels against the Pope in Rome!

THIS SOUNDS VERY LEARNED- TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT THEMSELVES LEARNED.

I was Primary-Educated in England in the middle of the 20th[sup] Century. We were taught Greek and Roman Mythology and about their Philosophers.

I challenge you to name any of them who taught anything about "HELL FIRE."

They had no such belief.

Maximus69:


All those who tried to find out the truth by possessing or reading the Bible on their own were burnt alive!
You can Google 'the inquisition on possession of Bible' the mindset of those tormentors was to make offenders feel the pain of hellfire while burning so that they repent before dying!

THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE BELIEF IN HELL.

The Western Bible was first compiled by ORIGEN ADAMANTIUS in the 4[sup]th Century, to help Emperor CONSTANTINE start the ROMAN CATHOLIC Church.

The European INQUISTIONS began in the 13^th Century.

Not knowing that, of course you are going to fall for some absurd Conspiracy Theory.

Maximus69:


The Bible is a book full of THEORIES, if you're not close to those who were chosen by the author to teach you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the theory, you'll never be able to present it with divine wisdom so all you'll be doing is lying to yourself and others because there won't be any agreement amongst your folks regarding how to apply what you're all teaching. So no BENEFIT will ever come out of it!

. JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,

'YE SHALL BE MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO WHAT LORD YESHUA SAID KNOW THE TRUTH: THAT THE GOSPEL IS NOT A THEORY.

People like yourself are confused by WORDS, because you have never PRACTICED.

All you have ever done is BELIEVED THEORIES and TALKED.

. JOHN 16:12-15.

12. "I have yet many things to Say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now.
13. "Howbeit when He,
The Spirit of Truth,
is come,
He will guide you
into all Truth:
for He shall not
Speak of Himself;
but whatsoever
He shall hear,
that shall He speak:
and He will shew you
Things to come.
14. "He shall glorify me:
for He shall receive of mine,
and shall shew It unto you.
15. "All things
that The Father hath
are mine:
therefore Said I,

'THAT HE SHALL TAKE OF MINE,
AND SHALL SHEW IT UNTO YOU.' "

Maximus69:


Jesus taught a lot of THEORIES {Matthew 5-7} which certainly confused most of his listeners {John 6:60-66} but he took the time to analyze the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what he's saying to those who stood by him { Matthew 13:36-40} and promised them that even while they're still alive they will enjoying the BENEFITS {that is if they apply it correctly}! Matthew 7:24-27, Mark 10:28-30

LORD YESHUA NEVER TAUGHT A SINGLE "THEORY" IN HIS ENTIRE MINISTRY, UNBELIEVER!

You will surely give account for that remark.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess (him),
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than
The Praise of God.
44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever
believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man
hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not
to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have Spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not
Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment
is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said
unto me,
so I Speak."

NOTHING LORD YESHUA SAID WAS A THEORY?

Furthermore, we are supposed to develop beyond merely BELIEVING what we think people in general, and Prophets in particular, SAY, to the point where we *SEE* IN DETAIL what they are talking about- beyond any possibility of DECEPTION, or MISUNDERSTANDING.

. JOHN 14:15-27.

15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even the Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World
cannot receive,
because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you Comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World seeth me
no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. At that day ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me, and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that
thou wilt manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
He will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. “These things
have I spoken unto you,
being (yet) present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
(Which is) The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in My Name,
He shall Teach you All Things
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27 “Peace I leave with you;
My Peace I give unto you,
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

IF YOU LOVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD KNOW HIS TEACHINGS TO BE NOTHING LIKE THEORIES, BUT THE AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD.

Maximus69:


But if you continue this way, it's the spirit of Cain that will keep following you. Notice that you're like seeing people who disagrees with you been tormented inside hot furnace just as Nebuchadnezzar did!
Well that's the spirit of Cain and it also affected Ishmael that's why his descendants are terrorists today, as they're trying to claim what doesn't belong to them {pure worship} Genesis 16:11-12

THE OYINBOS HAVE A STUPID THEORY THAT EVE HAD SEX WITH THE SERPENT, AND BIRTHED CAIN.

The "SERPENT-SEED" Theory.

Whwreas we are all the descendants of NOAH. Since when has there ever been a "SPIRIT OF CAIN?"

Maximus69:


So use your brain! This is not your fault. Satan smartly spread falsehood throughout the earth so that the truth about God became so scarce {Amos 8:11} That's why Jesus asked us to go and meet people in their homes to help them! No matter how hard you try, the Bible can never be convincingly explained to support burning people ALIVE in fire! Jeremiah 19:5

. LEVITICUS 20:14.

14. "And if a man take
a wife and her mother,
it is wickedness:
they shall be burnt with fire,
both he and they;
that there be
no wickedness among you."

. LEVITICUS 21:9.

9. "And the daughter
of any priest,
if she profane herself
by playing the LovePeddler,
she profaneth her father:
she shall be burnt with fire."

ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF GOD, THESE SINNERS SHOULD BE EXECUTED BY BURNING.

Have you any more ignorance you need relieved?

But as regards HELL- there is no Teaching that anyone is BURNT in Hell- dead or alive.

Fire and Water are SPIRITUAL CONTAINMENT/CONDUITS.

They can be used to convey or contain Spiritual Forces or Entities.

. EZEKIEL 31:14-17.

14. To the end that
none of all the trees
by the waters
exalt themselves
for their height,
neither shoot up
their top among
the thick boughs,
neither their trees
stand up in their height,
all that drink water:
for they are all delivered
unto death,
to the Nether Parts
of the Earth,
in the midst of
the Children of Men,
with them that
go down to The Pit.
15. Thus Saith the Lord GOD;

"In the Day when he
went down to the Grave
I caused a Mourning:
I covered The Deep for him,
and I restrained
the floods thereof,
and the great waters
were stayed:
and I caused Lebanon
to mourn for him,
and all the Trees of the Field
fainted for him.
16. I made the nations
to shake at the sound
of his Fall,
when I cast him down to hell
with them that descend
into The Pit:
and all the Trees of Eden,
the choice and best
of Lebanon,
all that drink water,
shall be comforted
in the Nether Parts
of the Earth.
17. "They also went down
into hell with him
unto them that be slain
with the sword;
and they that were his Arm,
that dwelt under his Shadow
in the midst of the Heathen."

DANGEROUS SPIRIT BEINGS CAN BE KEPT IN EITHER REALM, WHERE THEY CAN DO NO HARM- DELIBERATELY OR ACCIDENTALLY.

shadeyinka:



I didn't know the "dead works" in the Scripture below pained you!

Heb 9:14:
"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

It's the way Gods word is oh.
It's like a hammer!
It's also a double edged sword!

I am not sorry it touched you. Go amend your ways!

Hen i had you but how do i do that now?
Because i believe in Jesus and working zealously according to what my religion teaches me so if you feel there's anything needed to add why not tell me?

@ Act 2:38 Peter told the Jews who have their religion what they must do to be saved, but you're just talking without anything worthwhile on how to go about it!

Oponu Olodo!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



It annoys me to see this abuse of English Language, which happens to be my First Language.

The correct term is:

"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS... "

Saying, "THERE IS NOTHING LIKE... " means, to an English person, that you greatly enjoyed whatever you are saying that "there is nothing like."

How can you possibly know that there is no such thing as "HELL FIRE?"

Have you been to Hell before?

Are you a Prophet, or a Seer, who can observe what becomes of the dead?

I have done neither of those things, but there are people who have testified that they have. Most of those are not credible witnesses: some are.

I believe a few, because their Testimonies have Biblical Backing.

I do not just look at the Testimony, I also look at the life of the person testifying.

KENNETH HAGIN said that he died and went to Hell, at the time he was sick and hsndicapped, but before he could be imprisoned, he was raised from the dead by the prayers of his mother and grandmother.

He was converted by this experience, and seriously studied The Bible, until he was able to unprecedentedly Heal himself.

He went on to become a Baptist Boy Preacher, then excommunicated for receiving The Holy Ghost Baptism with Evidence of Speaking in Tongues.

He became a Pillar of the 20th Century Gentile Church, teaching FAITH. Many have applied his Teachings to achieve Healing and Miracles of their own.

I am one of such people.

I might not be alive today, but for his Teachings, and the Teachings of people who learned from him.

That is what I call a "Credible Testimony."

If a man like that says he saw Hell, I believe that he could have seen Hell.

[See: I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth E. Hagin.]

What makes YOUR utterances credible?

Swamp Gas?



THIS SOUNDS VERY LEARNED- TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT THEMSELVES LEARNED.

I was Primary-Educated in England in the middle of the 20<sup>th[sup] Century. We were taught Greek and Roman Mythology and about their Philosophers.

I challenge you to name any of them who taught anything about "HELL FIRE."

They had no such belief.



THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE BELIEF IN HELL.

The Western Bible was first compiled by ORIGEN ADAMANTIUS in the 4[sup]th</sup> Century, to help Emperor CONSTANTINE start the ROMAN CATHOLIC Church.

The European INQUISTIONS began in the 13^th Century.

Not knowing that, of course you are going to fall for some absurd Conspiracy Theory.



. JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,

'YE SHALL BE MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO WHAT LORD YESHUA SAID KNOW THE TRUTH: THAT THE GOSPEL IS NOT A THEORY.

People like yourself are confused by WORDS, because you have never PRACTICED.

All you have ever done is BELIEVED THEORIES and TALKED.

. JOHN 16:12-15.

12. "I have yet many things to Say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now.
13. "Howbeit when He,
The Spirit of Truth,
is come,
He will guide you
into all Truth:
for He shall not
Speak of Himself;
but whatsoever
He shall hear,
that shall He speak:
and He will shew you
Things to come.
14. "He shall glorify me:
for He shall receive of mine,
and shall shew It unto you.
15. "All things
that The Father hath
are mine:
therefore Said I,

'THAT HE SHALL TAKE OF MINE,
AND SHALL SHEW IT UNTO YOU.' "



LORD YESHUA NEVER TAUGHT A SINGLE "THEORY" IN HIS ENTIRE MINISTRY, UNBELIEVER!

You will surely give account for that remark.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess (him),
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than
The Praise of God.
44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever
believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man
hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not
to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have Spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not
Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment
is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said
unto me,
so I Speak."

NOTHING LORD YESHUA SAID WAS A THEORY?

Furthermore, we are supposed to develop beyond merely BELIEVING what we think people in general, and Prophets in particular, SAY, to the point where we *SEE* IN DETAIL what they are talking about- beyond any possibility of DECEPTION, or MISUNDERSTANDING.

. JOHN 14:15-27.

15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even the Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World
cannot receive,
because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you Comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World seeth me
no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. At that day ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me, and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that
thou wilt manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
He will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. “These things
have I spoken unto you,
being (yet) present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
(Which is) The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in My Name,
He shall Teach you All Things
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27 “Peace I leave with you;
My Peace I give unto you,
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

IF YOU LOVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD KNOW HIS TEACHINGS TO BE NOTHING LIKE THEORIES, BUT THE AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD.



THE OYINBOS HAVE A STUPID THEORY THAT EVE HAD SEX WITH THE SERPENT, AND BIRTHED CAIN.

The "SERPENT-SEED" Theory.

Whwreas we are all the descendants of NOAH. Since when has there ever been a "SPIRIT OF CAIN?"



. LEVITICUS 20:14.

14. "And if a man take
a wife and her mother,
it is wickedness:
they shall be burnt with fire,
both he and they;
that there be
no wickedness among you."

. LEVITICUS 21:9.

9. "And the daughter
of any priest,
if she profane herself
by playing the LovePeddler,
she profaneth her father:
she shall be burnt with fire."

ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF GOD, THESE SINNERS SHOULD BE EXECUTED BY BURNING.

Have you any more ignorance you need relieved?

But as regards HELL- there is no Teaching that anyone is BURNT in Hell- dead or alive.

Fire and Water are SPIRITUAL CONTAINMENT/CONDUITS.

They can be used to convey or contain Spiritual Forces or Entities.

. EZEKIEL 31:14-17.

14. To the end that
none of all the trees
by the waters
exalt themselves
for their height,
neither shoot up
their top among
the thick boughs,
neither their trees
stand up in their height,
all that drink water:
for they are all delivered
unto death,
to the Nether Parts
of the Earth,
in the midst of
the Children of Men,
with them that
go down to The Pit.
15. Thus Saith the Lord GOD;

"In the Day when he
went down to the Grave
I caused a Mourning:
I covered The Deep for him,
and I restrained
the floods thereof,
and the great waters
were stayed:
and I caused Lebanon
to mourn for him,
and all the Trees of the Field
fainted for him.
16. I made the nations
to shake at the sound
of his Fall,
when I cast him down to hell
with them that descend
into The Pit:
and all the Trees of Eden,
the choice and best
of Lebanon,
all that drink water,
shall be comforted
in the Nether Parts
of the Earth.
17. "They also went down
into hell with him
unto them that be slain
with the sword;
and they that were his Arm,
that dwelt under his Shadow
in the midst of the Heathen."

DANGEROUS SPIRIT BEINGS CAN BE KEPT IN EITHER REALM, WHERE THEY CAN DO NO HARM- DELIBERATELY OR ACCIDENTALLY.

Sorry Sir, can you just do yourself a favour by starting your own church?
Because you put up a lot of stories and nothing is gotten out our your lengthy epistle!
Moreover, i worked as a military intelligence officer in several countries across the world, English is just the language borrowed by underdeveloped countries. If you travel to the places i worked, you can get a dirty slap or even the beating of your life for complaining because someone erred in any language that's not of the soil!
We have our own terms which every soldier must understand, for example, in the Nigerian army the official language is Hausa so if you're a professor in English and failed to understand Hausa language you can't reach the top in the Nigerian military!
You can ask any military man in Nigeria!

Maximus69:
Hen i had you but how do i do that now?
Because i believe in Jesus and working zealously according to what my religion teaches me so if you feel there's anything needed to add why not tell me?

@ Act 2:38 Peter told the Jews who have their religion what they must do to be saved, but you're just talking without anything worthwhile on how to go about it!

Oponu Olodo!

Mat 5:22:
"But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."