shadeyinka:


Can you see your life outside?
Instead of answering extremely simple questions that will set you free, you are jumping up and down with no restraint.

The Question was:
Escape tactics as usual:
Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Rather than answer, you will rather try to change the topic to some irrelevant issues. Did you not promise to answer my questions after I answer yours?

That guy is a disgrace. He thinks people can't see through his folly and dubious tactics. If I were him, I will just shaemfully exit thread. But in order to save face and make it seem like he's still going on strong in the debate, he decides to employ those evasive and distractive tactics.

He doesn't know that he's only exposing himself as people can see clearly. He thinks Nairalanders are toddlers.

alBHAGDADI:


What's your point?

Calm down and answer...it is a yes or no question

haywizzy007:
Calm down and answer...it is a yes or no question

Clam down and tell me... What is your point exactly?

alBHAGDADI:


Clam down and tell me... What is your point exactly?

I don't know why you are scared to answer a very simple and direct question..

Were both Abraham and Isaac in heaven before Jesus Christ came to the Earth?

haywizzy007:
I don't know why you are scared to answer a very simple and direct question..

Were both Abraham and Isaac in heaven before Jesus Christ came to the Earth?

You can't jump in from nowhere and start asking me questions to which I don't know the motive. Stay your point clear or stop quoting me.

shadeyinka:

No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Are there different HELLS ?

With the way you lots are going, you will end up setting up various HellfireS

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell , into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

You are so brain.washed , Arrggghh

Where is the hand buried ?

Are u saying the physical hands go to Hell ?

Explain what you quote

alBHAGDADI:


That guy is a disgrace. He thinks people can't see through his folly and dubious tactics. If I were him, I will just shaemfully exit thread. But in order to save face and make it seem like he's still going on strong in the debate, he decides to employ those evasive and distractive tactics.

He doesn't know that he's only exposing himself as people can see clearly. He thinks Nairalanders are toddlers.

It beats my imagination to see how people can see the Scripture truth in black and white and yet follow their organisation to hell.

It seems to me that their bet is that if they have believed a wrong doctrine form their organisation, they would just be annihilated.

As far as I am concerned, this is demonic!

jesusjnr:
It seems Jesus was actually talking about the Jehovah witnesses when He said this to His disciples:

"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:11-15 (KJV)

For that's the only explanation why the simple saying of Jesus that God is able to kill and destroy both the soul and body in hell which has completely debunked this thread is yet being questioned by the Jehovah witnesses.

For when people's hearts are waxed gross to the Truth, there's no point trying to speak the Truth to their heart, because it would be impossible for their heart to be able to understand and accept the Truth.

So that's it from me on this Jehovah witness thread that has waxed gross.

Look at the red part and answer this.

1. Do you admit the physical body go to Hell as written there ? If people are in Hell presently, jesusjnr, is it with their phyaical bodies ?

2. Can someone be tormented forever in hell without them living forever ?

Explain what you quote

OLAADEGBU:


"And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3).

Immortality of the human soul means the soul cannot be annihilated after death, it lives on eternally either in eternal life in the presence of God or eternal death separated apart from God in the lake of fire.

Can someone be tormented forever without them been ALIVE forever ( eternal life ) ?

Life means to exist as Living.

Eternal life means to Live forever .


Does Jesus death make sense if humans have this ability by default ?

Emusan:


Another useless excuse...

Don't even come with this because it will expose your ignorance the more.

Let it expose my ignorance ... hahahaha, this film go sweet die!

Do u agree its a thing or whole person ? Emphasis on " IT self "

You now hold on to Matthew alone when both Matthew and Luke are saying the same thing and your question was from Luke.

That's delusional.

The question you asked was centered on the highlight you made to my post which is "AFTER HE HATH KILLED, he hath power to CAST INTO THE HELL"

It means the killing will happen first before CAST INTO THE Hell...

And from the scripture, it's evident that both God and man have POWER TO KILL the BODY but while God supersedes man is "CASTING into the Hell" and this can only be done to what man has no power on "The SOUL"

hope you get it this time....shallow brain man?

Jesus said BOTH BODY and soul will be in hell .. Do u agree ?



Jesus even once said in some translation ' Whole Body in hell ' Mat 5:29
Am I making sense ?

Barristter07:
Let it expose my ignorance ... hahahaha, this film go sweet die!

Do u agree its a thing or whole person ? Emphasis on " IT self "

Just like I said it will expose your ignorance, Jesus was called "IT" John the Baptist was called "IT" and this is one of the useless excuses you people apply to the Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, your organization says "Jehovah transferred the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of Mary by means of holy spirit."

So it means what Jehovah sent is none existence because it was LIFE which is "IT" that Jehovah sent.

Jesus said BOTH BODY and soul will be in hell .. Do u agree ?



Jesus even once said in some translation ' Whole Body in hell ' Mat 5:29
Am I making sense ?

No sense at all

Explanation already given!

SHALOM!

haywizzy007:
That means their spirits went to heaven immediately they died..

Will you now admit that Abraham and Isaac were in heaven before the Lord Jesus came to the Earth?

. LUKE 16:19-31.

19. There was
a certain rich man,
which was clothed
in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously
every day:
20. And there was
a certain beggar
named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
21. And desiring to be fed
with the crumbs
which fell from
the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came
and licked his sores.
22. And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried
by the Angels into
Abraham's Bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
23. And in Hell
he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham
afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
24. And he cried and said,

"Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip
the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented
in this flame."

25. But Abraham said,

"Son, remember
that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy Good Things,
and likewise Lazarus
Evil Things:
but now he is comforted,
and thou art tormented.
26. And beside all this,
between us and you
there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would
pass from hence
to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence."

27. Then he said,

"I pray thee therefore, father,
that thou wouldest send him
to my father's house:
28. "For I have five brethren;
that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into
this place of torment."

29. Abraham saith unto him,

"They have Moses
and The Prophets;
let them hear them."

30. And he said,

"Nay, father Abraham:
but if one went unto them
from the Dead,
they will repent."

31. And he said unto him,

"If they hear not Moses
and The Prophets,
neither will they
be persuaded,
though one rose
from the Dead."

THE DILIGENT RESEARCHER SHOULD CONSULT PUBLICATIONS SUCH AS THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA JUDICAEA, TO KNOW WHAT THE ANCIENTS BELIEVED ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE.

I personally verified that they believed that "ABRAHAM'S BOSOM" was where the Ancient Saints ended up in the AfterLife.

They did not believe that their Dead went to Heaven.

. LUKE 10:16-24.

16. "He that heareth you heareth me;
and he that despiseth you despiseth me;
and he that despiseth me
despiseth Him that sent me."

17. And the seventy returned
again with joy,
saying,

"Lord, even the Devils
are subject unto us
through thy Name."

18. And he Said unto them,

"I beheld Satan as lightning
fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:

and nothing shall
by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this
rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject
unto you;
but rather rejoice,
because your Names
are written in Heaven."

21. In that Hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit,
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father;
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth
who The Son is,
but The Father;
and Who The Father is,
but The Son,
and he to whom The Son
will reveal him."

23. And he turned him
unto his Disciples,
and Said privately,

"Blessed are the eyes
which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I Tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' "

Heaven is seven Realms senior to the Earth Universe, each ruled over by a Spirit of God, of successively higher Power and Authority.

Human beings always had the ability to acquire these Spirits, and thereby the ability to access and use the resources of the seven Heaven Universes, but wasted thousands of years, failing to find out how to access them on our own.

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth.

. REVELATION 4:5.

5. And out of The Throne
proceeded Lightnings
and Thunderings and Voices:
and there were seven Lamps of Fire
burning before The Throne,
Which are The seven Spirits of God.

. REVELATION 5:6.

6. And I beheld, and, lo,
in the midst of the Throne
and of the four Beasts,
and in the midst of the Elders,
stood a Lamb
as it had been slain,
having seven Horns
and seven Eyes,
which are The seven Spirits of God
sent forth into all the Earth.

GOD THEREFORE HAD TO TAKE WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE UNNECESSARY STEP OF SHOWING US THE WAY TO HIS REALM.

The Gospel of Lord Yeshua therefore remedies that deficiency of The Law and The Prophets.

. MATTHEW 11:11.

11. "Verily I Say unto you,

'AMONG THEM THAT ARE
BORN OF WOMEN
THERE HATH NOT RISEN
A GREATER THAN
JOHN THE BAPTIST:
NOTWITHSTANDING
HE THAT IS LEAST
IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
IS GREATER THAN HE.' "

Philosopher FRANCIS BACON is best known for saying: IPSA SCIENTIA POTESTAS EST, which is commonly mistranslated as: "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER." (Scientia potentia est.)

In the Spiritual Realm, however, Knowledge and Power go hand-in-hand. It takes Power to Know things; it you do not have Power, you cannot acquire certain levels of Knowledge.

. GENESIS 3:22-24.

22. And The LORD God Said,

"Behold, the Man
is become as one of Us,
to know Good and Evil:
and now,
lest he put forth his hand,
and take also
of The Tree of Life,
and eat,
and live for ever:"

23. Therefore The LORD God
sent him forth
from The Garden of Eden,
to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
24. So He drove out the Man;
and he placed at the East
of The Garden of Eden
Cherubims,
and a Flaming Sword
which turned every way,
to keep The Way
of The Tree of Life.

THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS THE MINIMUM POWER LEVEL REQUIRED TO ENTER HEAVEN.

The Old Testament Saints lacked that Knowledge, therefore, only very few of them were ever able to enter Heaven during their lifetimes.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:1-7.

THE Proverbs of Solomon
the son of David, king of Israel;
2. To know Wisdom and Instruction;
to perceive the Words of Understanding;
3. To receive the Instruction
of Wisdom, Justice, and Judgment,
and Equity;
4. To give subtilty to the Simple,
to the young man
Knowledge and Discretion.
5. A Wise man will hear,
and will increase Learning;
and a Man of Understanding
shall attain unto Wise Counsels:
6. To understand a Proverb,
and the Interpretation;
the Words of the Wise,
and their Dark Sayings.
7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:7-10.

7. He that reproveth a Scorner
getteth to himself shame:
and he that rebuketh
a Wicked man
getteth himself a blot.
8. Reprove not a Scorner,
lest he hate thee:
rebuke a Wise man,
and he will love thee.
9. Give Instruction
to a Wise man,
and he will be yet wiser:
Teach a Just man,
and he will
increase in Learning.
10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

IF ONE HAS THE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING REQUIRED TO PROCESS THE LAW OF GOD IN ANY GIVEN HEAVEN, THAT PROVES THAT ONE HAS THE POWER TO ENTER IT, AND ANY REALM BENEATH IT.

If one does not have such Power, one cannot exist as a Human Being in those Heavenly Realms.

. REVELATION 1:10-20.

10. I was in The Spirit
on the Lord's Day,
and heard behind me
a Great Voice,
as of a trumpet,
11. Saying,

"I am Alpha and Omega,
the First and the Last:
and, What thou seest,
write in a Book,
and send it unto
The seven Churches
which are in Asia;
unto Ephesus,
and unto Smyrna,
and unto Pergamos,
and unto Thyatira,
and unto Sardis,
and unto Philadelphia,
and unto Laodicea."

12. And I turned to see the Voice
that Spake with me.
And being turned,
I saw seven golden Candlesticks;
13. And in the midst
of the seven Candlesticks
one like unto the Son of Man,
clothed with a garment
down to the foot,
and girt about the paps
with a golden girdle.
14. His head and his hairs
were white like wool,
as white as snow;
and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15. And his feet like unto fine brass,
as if they burned in a furnace;
and his Voice as the sound
of many waters.
16. And he had in his right hand
seven Stars:
and out of his mouth
went a sharp twoedged sword:
and his countenance was
as the Sun shineth in his strength.
17. And when I saw him,
I fell at his feet as dead.
And he laid his right hand upon me,
Saying unto me,

"Fear not;
I am the First and the Last:

18."I am he that Liveth,
and was Dead;
and, behold,
I am alive for evermore,
Amen;
and have the Keys of Hell
and of Death.
19. "Write the Things
which thou hast seen,
and the Things which are,
and the Things which
shall be hereafter;
20. The Mystery of
The seven Stars
which thou sawest in my right hand,
and the seven golden candlesticks.
The seven Stars are
The Angels of The seven Churches:
and the seven Candlesticks
which thou sawest
are The seven Churches.

THEREFORE, THE BOOK OF REVELATION ADDRESSES SEVEN MODEL CHURCHES- BECAUSE THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF SPIRITUALITY.

This explains why Senior Servants of Yeshua ministering to Junior Believers by "Laying on of Hands," can make them fall to the ground unconscious.

The implication is that they have been exposed to Spiritual Power above their current ability to process. If they went to the Level of Heaven where that Power cones from, they would be equally comatose- unable to do anything in that Realm.


. GENESIS 2:16-17.

16. And The LORD God
Commanded the Man,
Saying,

“Of every Tree of The Garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17. "But of The Tree of
The Knowledge
of
Good and Evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the Day
that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die."

. GENESIS 5:1-5.

THIS is the Book
of the Generations of Adam.
In the day that God created Man,
in the likeness of God
made He him;
2. Male and female created
he them;
and Blessed them,
and called their name Adam,
in the day when they were created.
3. And Adam lived
an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son
in his own likeness,
after his image;
and called his name Seth:
4. And the days of Adam
after he had begotten Seth
were eight hundred years:
and he begat sons and daughters:
5. And all the days
that Adam lived
were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died.

THE SHALLOW-MINDED ARE OFTEN CONFUSED BY GOD'S THREAT THAT ADAM WOULD DIE ON THE DAY THAT HE ATE THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL- WHEREAS THREE CHAPTERS LATER WE ARE TOLD THAT HE LIVED NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY YEARS.

What Adam had after eating the Fruit was EARTHLY ANIMAL LIFE.

. GENESIS 3:17-19.

17. And unto Adam He Said,

"Because thou hast hearkened
unto the voice of thy wife,
and hast eaten of the Tree,
of which I Commanded thee,
Saying,

'THOU SHALT NOT
EAT OF IT:'

Cursed is the ground for thy sake;
in sorrow shalt thou eat of it
all the days of thy life;
18. "Thorns also and thistles
shall it bring forth to thee;
and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19. "In the sweat of thy face
shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust
shalt thou return."

A RECURRENT THEME OF SCI-FI IS WHETHER OR NOT COMPUTER PROGRAMS, ROBOTS, AND ANDROIDS CAN BE CONSIDERED LIVING ORGANISMS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT.

There has been a much longer-running Theological Debate over whether or not Animals and other Organisms have Souls, and are alive as Human Beings are alive, or not.

The Oyinbos appear to be the only idiots in the Human Race who do not know that everything living has a Soul.

Until recently, Oyinbos did not believe that Black people were full Human Beings.

I have always known that, having been brought up in rural England. However, an academician recently exposed the little-known fact, outside of advanced Science Schools, that that was one of CHARLES DARWIN'S serious teachings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

FOR OYINBOS TO ACCEPT BLACKS AS EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS IS A RECENT FAD.

I, for one, will never believe that they all believe that.

But if Humans can discriminate against other Humans, to the point of denying pur Humanity, and Right-to-Life, how do you think GOD and HEAVENLY BEINGS must regard us?

BEES AND ANTS are better civilized than many Humans. I mean, no Termite species ever built a BOMB to go blow up a neighbouring Termite Hill!

I got banned on FACEBOOK for showing an image of NAZI LEADER ADOLF HITLER cordially receiving the VATICAN! AMBASSADOR- proving ROMAN CATHOLIC backing of the Axis Powers.

. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not The Spirit
by measure unto him.
35. "The Father loveth the Son,
and hath given all things into his hand.
36. "He that believeth on The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."

. JOHN 5:24.

24. "Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

'HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD,
AND BELIEVETH ON HIM
THAT SENT ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,
AND SHALL NOT
COME INTO CONDEMNATION;
BUT IS PASSED
FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.' "

What GOD says "LIFE" is not what any of you think Life is- because no one else mentioned THESE verses:

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

HYPOCRITICAL OYINBOS INVENT SILLY INTERPRETATIONS FOR "LIFE & DEATH:" TO MAKE THE BIBLE THREATS OF NONE EFFECT.

"Death is just separation from God!"

That doesn't seem so bad, because the average Oyinbo thinks that the further God is from them, the better it is for them!

In what country in the World can you live without LAW & ORDER?

Without MEDICAL FACILITIES?

Without POWER & LIGHT?

Fools think they know what it is to be WITHOUT GOD!

alBHAGDADI:


You can't jump in from nowhere and start asking me questions to which I don't know the motive. Stay your point clear or stop quoting me.

I know answering yes or no to my question is like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea
It is a shame you can't defend the 'truth' you claimed you have.

haywizzy007:
I know answering yes or no to my question is like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea
It is a shame you can't defend the 'truth' you claimed you have.

Mugu.

You just asked me a question and expect me to answer when I don't even know the intention behind the question. It's not as if we've been debating before. It's just like someone coming here and all of a sudden starts asking me what's the difference between rice and beans. Even though I know the answer, I won't answer him because I don't know why he's asking. We never had any build up of talk together that will make me say made him ask the question.

Here you are saying my answer will expose me. Expose me of what? What and what did me and you discuss that made you ask me that question?

And look who's talking. Go and ask your fellow Jehovah's False Witnesses the amount of questions from me they are yet to answer.

Barristter07:


Can someone be tormented forever without them been ALIVE forever ( eternal life ) ?

Life means to exist as Living.

Eternal life means to Live forever .


Does Jesus death make sense if humans have this ability by default ?

Stop being silly. Eternal life is a quality of life in itself while eternal punishment also has it's own quality of life. Both are what are faced after death by the immortal souls of Christians and unbelievers respectively.

Your confusion is that the word life as seen in eternal life makes you think it means an immortal soul which lives on after death already has that life. But you do not know that not all souls have that quality of life. It is only given to those who accept Jesus. Those who reject him get the other quality which is eternal punishment.

In a nutshell, a soul lives on either with eternal life or eternal damnation or punishment.

Your disbelief in soul living on is what is preventing you from understanding.

Barristter07:


Are there different HELLS ?

With the way you lots are going, you will end up setting up various HellfireS



You are so brain.washed , Arrggghh

Where is the hand buried ?

Are u saying the physical hands go to Hell ?

Explain what you quote

I don't know where your mischievous mind found two hell's. Read again!

No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?
PLEASE, ANSWER THIS QUESTION!

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Barristter07:


Can someone be tormented forever without them been ALIVE forever ( eternal life ) ?

Life means to exist as Living.

Eternal life means to Live forever .


Does Jesus death make sense if humans have this ability by default ?

Was Jesus conscious when He died and was buried?

alBHAGDADI:


Mugu.

You just asked me a question and expect me to answer when I don't even know the intention behind the question. It's not as if we've been debating before. It's just like someone coming here and all of a sudden starts asking me what's the difference between rice and beans. Even though I know the answer, I won't answer him because I don't know why he's asking. We never had any build up of talk together that will make me say made him ask the question.

Here you are saying my answer will expose me. Expose me of what? What and what did me and you discuss that made you ask me that question?

And look who's talking. Go and ask your fellow Jehovah's False Witnesses the amount of questions from me they are yet to answer.

You are just being petty, everyone knows nairaland is a faceless forum, any dick and harry can come here and contribute to the thread. Moreover it is not your thread. You answered the first question, you didn't ask for intention, when i asked the second question based on your response, you started asking for intention..i believe you now know who the real mugu is..

haywizzy007:
You are just being petty, everyone knows nairaland is a faceless forum, any dick and harry can come here and contribute to the thread. Moreover it is not your thread. You answered the first question, you didn't ask for intention, when i asked the second question based on your response, you started asking for intention..i believe you now know who the real mugu is..

I can't remember me and you in any conversation, so I can't connect what you are saying

SHALOM!

OLAADEGBU:


Was Jesus conscious when He died and was buried?

Yes, Lord Yeshua was conscious while his Physical Body was dead, and his Soul was in Paradise preaching to the dead Saints of God.

. Luke 23:39-43.

39. And one of the malefactors
which were hanged railed on him,
saying,

"If thou be Christ,
save thyself and us."

40. But the other answering
rebuked him,
saying,

"Dost not thou fear God,
seeing thou art in
the same condemnation?
41. "And we indeed justly;
for we receive the due reward
of our deeds:
but this man hath done
nothing amiss."

42. And he said unto Jesus,

"Lord, remember me
when thou comest
into thy Kingdom."

43. And Jesus Said unto him,

"Verily I Say unto thee,

'TO DAY SHALT THOU
BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.' "

Whereas there was no such thing as punctuation in those days, so that Lord Yeshua COULD have been saying: "VERILY I SAY UNTO THEE TODAY..." we who believe in what he previously taught about The AfterLife, believe that the Traditional Rendering is correct, and Lord Yeshua and the penitent Thief went to ABRAHAM'S BOSOM in the Depths of the Earth.

When Noah was drunk and asleep, he was still conscious of what was going on around him. This is a specific Spiritual Technique, that is also part of NAGUALISM.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

We are not supposed to lose consciousness when our Bodies and Brains have to sleep. We can keep working, while our Bodies sleep, and even interact with others both awake and asleep.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Yes, Lord Yeshua was conscious while his Physical Body was dead, and his Soul was in Paradise preaching to the dead Saints of God.

. Luke 23:39-43.

39. And one of the malefactors
which were hanged railed on him,
saying,

"If thou be Christ,
save thyself and us."

40. But the other answering
rebuked him,
saying,

"Dost not thou fear God,
seeing thou art in
the same condemnation?
41. "And we indeed justly;
for we receive the due reward
of our deeds:
but this man hath done
nothing amiss."

42. And he said unto Jesus,

"Lord, remember me
when thou comest
into thy Kingdom."

43. And Jesus Said unto him,

"Verily I Say unto thee,

'TO DAY SHALT THOU
BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.' "

Whereas there was no such thing as punctuation in those days, so that Lord Yeshua COULD have been saying: "VERILY I SAY UNTO THEE TODAY..." we who believe in what he previously taught about The AfterLife, believe that the Traditional Rendering is correct, and Lord Yeshua and the penitent Thief went to ABRAHAM'S BOSOM in the Depths of the Earth.

When Noah was drunk and asleep, he was still conscious of what was going on around him. This is a specific Spiritual Technique, that is also part of NAGUALISM.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

We are not supposed to lose consciousness when our Bodies and Brains have to sleep. We can keep working, while our Bodies sleep, and even interact with others both awake and asleep.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

Are you a scientologist?

SHALOM!

OLAADEGBU:


Are you a scientologist?

No.

Membership in THE CHURCH OFSCIENTOLOGY costs a flat rate of $300 per year, or $2,000 lifetime. Then they take over your life, and tell you whom you can talk to, and what you can say.

The SCIENTOLOGY FREEZONE is made up of people who use SCIENTOLOGY Teachings as they see fit, with no Organization telling them what they can do, and whom they can associate with.

There is a bias against African membership, and their leadership has consistently obstructed and discouraged African people from joining, or applying "THE TECH" to benefit the Motherland.

They have been assisted in that endeavor by traitors among our own kind.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



No.

Membership in THE CHURCH OFSCIENTOLOGY costs a flat rate of $300 per year, or $2,000 lifetime. Then they take over your life, and tell you whom you can talk to, and what you can say.

The SCIENTOLOGY FREEZONE is made up of people who use SCIENTOLOGY Teachings as they see fit, with no Organization telling them what they can do, and whom they can associate with.

There is a bias against African membership, and their leadership has consistently obstructed and discouraged African people from joining, or applying "THE TECH" to benefit the Motherland.

They have been assisted in that endeavor by traitors among our own kind.

Do you then belong to the scientology freezone?

OLAADEGBU:


Was Jesus conscious when He died and was buried?

No.

Unless you mean Jesus didnt die , ONLY his body died ... Agree ?

shadeyinka:

I don't know where your mischievous mind found two hell's. Read again!

No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?
PLEASE, ANSWER THIS QUESTION!

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Do you agree with this that the Human hands Go to hell ? Dare to respond

alBHAGDADI:


Stop being silly. Eternal life is a quality of life in itself while eternal punishment also has it's own quality of life. Both are what are faced after death by the immortal souls of Christians and unbelievers respectively.

Your confusion is that the word life as seen in eternal life makes you think it means an immortal soul which lives on after death already has that life. But you do not know that not all souls have that quality of life. It is only given to those who accept Jesus. Those who reject him get the other quality which is eternal punishment.

In a nutshell, a soul lives on either with eternal life or eternal damnation or punishment.

Your disbelief in soul living on is what is preventing you from understanding.

You are a liar, Eternal life is simple to live forever ... Don't be a dull.ard , Simple English is what you are twisting about, How can someone suffer eternal punishment without everlasting Life ( Living forever ) ?

Even the wicked will have everlasting LiFe, so ?

Na wah

Emusan:


Just like I said it will expose your ignorance, Jesus was called "IT" John the Baptist was called "IT" and this is one of the useless excuses you people apply to the Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, your organization says "Jehovah transferred the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of Mary by means of holy spirit."

So it means what Jehovah sent is none existence because it was LIFE which is "IT" that Jehovah sent.

Let's see if it's a thing or person .

When Jesus spirit return to God, was Jesus in heaven that day ?


No sense at all

Explanation already given![/quote]

Emusan:


Just like I said it will expose your ignorance, Jesus was called "IT" John the Baptist was called "IT" and this is one of the useless excuses you people apply to the Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, your organization says "Jehovah transferred the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of Mary by means of holy spirit."

So it means what Jehovah sent is none existence because it was LIFE which is "IT" that Jehovah sent.

Let's see if it's a thing or person .

When Jesus spirit return to God, was Jesus in heaven that day ?

No sense at all

Explanation already given!

It trashes you as a liar, U dubious person!

What Did God cast into this Hell I asked ../ your response: Soul alone. Despite Jesus saying BOTH soul and body.

Let the next verse reply you better:

"
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole BODY should be CAST INTO hell. KJB

Will God cast the Body into Hell too ?

Barristter07:


You are a liar, Eternal life is simple to live forever ... Don't be a dull.ard , Simple English is what you are twisting about, How can someone suffer eternal punishment without everlasting Life ( Living forever ) ?

Even the wicked will have everlasting LiFe, so ?

Na wah

Stop using English dictionary to always interpret the Bible. Eternal life means live forever without dieing, right? Isn't that what fully happens when the body resurrects after the spirit goes back into it? Such a person dwells in the presence of the Lord.

For those who didn't believe God...

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

The below verse clearly shows the Bible differentiating both quality of life. One is punishment while the other is in the presence of God.

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Did you see everlasting punishment up there? If it's not punishment and it's not everlasting, then do you think atheists have any reason to be worried since they are just going to die and that's all?

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

As seen above, no everlasting life for the unbelievers, but everlasting torment, punishment and fire for them. They are going to be where the devil and his angels will be.

According to you, hell is just a common grave and the soul doesn't live on. Then what's so special about what John the Baptist said to the Pharisees below when he warned them of the damnation of hell? Since you say that's where we are all going to end up and unconscious, then why should the Pharisees be bothered?

Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

It's clear you are not seeing the scriptures placed in your front. You just want to remain a robot with the programming if watchtower

Barristter07:


Do you agree with this that the Human hands Go to hell ? Dare to respond

Stop applying evasive tactics, answer the question he asked.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?
PLEASE, ANSWER THIS QUESTION!

Barristter07:


Do you agree with this that the Human hands Go to hell ? Dare to respond

A very stupid question.
It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

shadeyinka:

A very stupid question.
It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

Why then is it buried ? I thought the human hands should also dissapear to hell presently