budaatum:

Christianity, or shall I say, the Abrahamic Religions, evolved out of Africa as syncretised in Egypt.

budaatum:

Christianity, or shall I say, the Abrahamic Religions, evolved out of Africa as syncretised in Egypt.

Amujale:


Yes, i get what you meant here.The Nicea Council was one of the activities that advanced the authors plagiarisation of the Serapis Christus image and concepts into Christianity, others include burning all other books, bibliographies and desecrating sacred sites all across the globe.

The Ecumenical Council that was held in Nicea 325 CE is the part of the overwhelming evidence that Jesus is a fictitious character.

Basically the Jesus started off as an ordinary character that the authors of the Christian bible has made him up on a continous bases until they arrived at their current character.

According to Roman history, the Council of Nicea also known as the Ecumenical Councils were legally convened assembles of the ecclesiastical dignitaries and so-called theological experts (of the government of Rome) for the express purpose of discussing and regulating matters of doctrine and discipline.

Over 20 councils were convened between 325 and 1870 CE.

These Councils actually created authoritative decrees, they actually passed so-called 'laws' as to what is and what isnt, what one is allowed to think and what one isnt allowed to say.

What caused the Council of Nicea to convene in 325 CE ?

Well, that would have to take us back to KM.T. and the first European Pharaoh; Ptolemy the first also known as Soter (ca. 367-283 BCE).

Ptolemy the first became pharoah of Egypt due to an agressive invasion as per Alexandra the Greek also known as Alexandra of Macedon.

Through Ptolemy, came Soteriology.

Soteriology is the doctrine or the study of salvation.

Ptolemy insisted that the people of KM.T consecrate him as a god, similar to the way they did with their Pharoahs at the time; essentially to make him Pharoah and the people of KM.T turned him down.

Giving the reasons that he wasnt worthy, Ptolemy didnt belong in KM.T in the first place and that the only reason he was in the position he was, is because of Alexandra's unjust military campaign of invasion into their domain.


Ptolemy the first then took upon himself these self- proclaimations:

Meryamun
Setepenre

Ramensu Meryamun

Mery - beloved

Amun - god.

Meryamun means beloved by god.

Setepenre

Setepen - chosen

Re (Ra) - god.


Setepenre means chosen by god.

Ptolemy wasnt given these names, he took it upon himself.

He insisted that they make an image in his honour, the Egyptians didnt want anything to does with that type of thinking and then he began putting them to the sword until he found a group of sell-outs Coptic Egyptians in Memphis; and they consecrated him to the office of Pharoah and they made an image. And this image is called 'Serapis'

Probably using the combination of Apis and Osiris to create Serapis ca.350 BCE.

Serapis was taken out of Egypt to become the greco-roman god Serapis Christus ca. 135 BCE.

Ptolemy the firsr tried to incorporate the religion of the Greeks into Egypt; thereby creating a new god in honour of himself. i.e Serapis.

The current image of the Jesus character is actually Serapis, the image that was made in honour of Ptolemy the first.

Aries tried his best at the time to stop them, pointing out to the people that Serapis isnt a god, he's an image of a European imposter; and was one that was part of an evil invasion rather than a virtuous person.

The Nicean council lasted for two months and four days, 318 theological dignatries were hosted by Constantine.


Here the Roman Emperor made Silvester the first Pope of the Catholic church.

The Nicean creed was an unauthorized decree that was canonized by 318 Roman theologians at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE.

Anyone can get there hands on the Nicean creed, its the false narratives that the Roman Catholic church tells itself everyday.

Amujale:


Give the thread one example of any of the facts given here by myself that came without the evidence to back them up.

Plus, its either you cant be bothered reading what is being said here or you are simply an untrustworthy person given that you some how associate a person that is revealing to the general public that Christianity is fake to himself be Christian.

I challenge you to refute any off the previous content, clearly they contain analytical and sometimes visual evidence.

Therefore, claiming that no evidence is there is in itself proof that you are a liar and a faker.

Give us a clear and definitive response to the lies you are peddling.

The difference between other Nairalanders and yourself is that most of us are genuine with our content whilst you are a compulsive liar.

Amujale:
Jesus is one of the greatest falsehoods in all of Christendom, the other being Christianity itself.

The term “Christ” is fake.

The term Christianity is also fake.

As in the first people to refer to themselves as being Christians were from the Hellenistic religions; the followers and dignitaries of ‘Serapis Christus’ with their concepts of Soteriology.

Serapis Christus was an adaptation of a fabrication of a Greek god into Egypt Mythology; one that was maliciously made in honour Ptolemy(I) during his unjust dynastic rule of Egypt ca. 367 - 283 BCE.

Amujale:




According to African history, Christianity is a false concept.

The only connection that links Christianity to Africa comes from the origin of some of the concepts of Christianity itself.

All the forms of Christianity are false concepts on numerous counts.

(a) Due to the fictitious natriuretic of all of their main characters and the obvious plagiarism the authors of the Christian bible have partaken.


(b) The Roman version of Christianity assimilated the original Christians of Serapis Christus of the Hellenistic religions.

budaatum:


...In fact, are you not a Christian? You sure as hell behave like one, asking us all to believe you without providing evidence for your claim...

budaatum:
The only claim you've made on this thread is that Jesus is fictional, and there is actually insufficient evidence for the truth of that statement and nor have you provided evidence further than assertions. You do know that some have done more research than you, actual historical, archeological etc work, and published books on the subject some of which some have also read, who can't yet decide if Jesus was real or not? Why woukd you think your assertions on a faceless forum is superior?

It is a 'Christian' attitude to believe the words read in a book and allow others to create crap in your head. And the worst of 'Christians' ask others to believe their assertions or the crap they make up and believe in their own heads! You don't know me so keep creating crap in your head to believe.

Give the thread one example of any of the facts given here by myself that came without the evidence to back them up.

budaatum:
The only claim you've made on this thread is that Jesus is fictional, and there is actually insufficient evidence for the truth of that statement and nor have you provided evidence further than assertions.

I challenge you to refute any off the previous content...

budaatum:

Read the link I posted on the subject. It shows the origin of Serapis Christus as Egyptian. Or shall I say, my understanding is that it is. Correct me if I'm wrong and post sources please.

Amujale:


Read the thread properly, it shows the origin of Serapis Christus and how the Romans assimilated his image and concepts into their Christianity.

Similar to Serapis Christianity, The Romans version is just as fake.

Christianity is a false concept.

budaatum:

I did read the link properly! A "potential for a transitory relationship between the various gods", it says, from "Pagan Gods (7)
Osiris, Apis, Zeus, Dionysus, Helios, Hades and Asclepius 3000 BC - 305 BC", to "Graeco Egyptian Gods.Serapis.Christus 305 BC - 325 AD", to "Christian God Jesus Christ (formerly Iesous Christos) 325 AD - Today". This clearly shows an evolving line of assimilation as one would expect amongst people in contact with each other who reflect and learn, which is the sole consequence of religion as a tool for organising people.

budaatum:

Osiris, Apis, Zeus, Dionysus, Helios, Hades and Asclepius 3000 BC - 305 BC", to "Graeco Egyptian Gods.Serapis.Christus 305 BC - 325 AD", to "Christian God Jesus Christ (formerly Iesous Christos) 325 AD - Today". This clearly shows an evolving line of assimilation as one would expect amongst people in contact with each other who reflect and learn, which is the sole consequence of religion as a tool for organising people.

budaatum:

I did read the link properly! A "potential for a transitory relationship between the various gods", it says, from "Pagan Gods (7)
Osiris, Apis, Zeus, Dionysus, Helios, Hades and Asclepius 3000 BC - 305 BC", to "Graeco Egyptian Gods.Serapis.Christus 305 BC - 325 AD", to "Christian God Jesus Christ (formerly Iesous Christos) 325 AD - Today". This clearly shows an evolving line of assimilation as one would expect amongst people in contact with each other who reflect and learn, which is the sole consequence of religion as a tool for organising people.

Amujale:

The point to consider is that Rome created Christianity out of the copying, plagiarism and fabrication of different concepts and philosophies around the world and sought to destroy the source of those concepts by ways that has been identified earlier.

Ancient Egyptian Mythology is more history than mythology.

Amujale:


Those type of reasoning doesn’t work with the Abrahamic religions.

budaatum:

That's like claiming Abrahamic religions are not subject to evolution. I beg to differ.

Amujale:

Instead of reformation of Abrahamic religious text, lets concentrate on reality, concentrate on real history.

budaatum:

"Ancient Egyptian Mythology" was not destroyed by the Romans. The Egyptians had completely forgotten their history and their myths were all over the place long before Romans arrived in Egypt. It was in fact this lack of organising of information which led to Egypts destruction and latter to the search for knowledge as noted in the building of some of the greatest libraries being built in Egypt. One sees the same destruction of our lesser organised (religious) knowledge and our adoption of western ways. Or do you see anyone seeking healing from osanyin instead of calling a doctor on a foreign made phone?

My own opinion is that these later myths are what, after suffering from the curse of forgetfulness, misunderstandings, misinterpretations, mistranslations and various agendas; became the Bible as we know it today. Its why I ask if you ever imagined a world without even that. It's not as if as many as learn the little they can from Christianity would learn anything from "Ancient Egyptian Mythology", or would we, in your opinion?

No, I do not agree that the point to consider is as you claim, "that Rome created Christianity out of the copying, plagiarism and fabrication of different concepts and philosophies around the world and sought to destroy the source of those concepts by ways that has been identified earlier", because the link I posted shows "copying, plagiarism and fabrication of different concepts and philosophies around the world" long before Romans did. The Egyptians, and everyone else created their gods and the smarter copied, plagiarized and fabricated from the different concepts and philosophies around the world and sought to build up concepts of their own from them. And the consequence is initially always the destruction of the less well armed (with books and knowledge in this case), until the conquered learn to think and reason, instead of just 'believing'.

As for the bit about pagan gods, derogatory, I get you, though I do not use it with the negative connotation you do, since I'm aware that Osiris, Apis, Zeus, Dionysus, Helios, Hades and Asclepius were all fiction and not real, just like Christ, who's mythology or unrealness is as irrelevant as their's, and who shall be refered to equally as derogatively as a "pagan god" by generations to come. I don't find it wise to ignore the 3000 or so years of religious evolution and concentrate on Romans.

Amujale:


Not really, ancient Egyptian Mythology is more histoty than myth, the mythical aspects of ancient Egyptian Mythology came about due to outside aggresive forces trying to bastardise real history by created false gods, descrating sacred sites i e The Arabs, Greeks, Persians, Romans e.t.c

They all tried and most of them failed to infest ancient Egyptian Mythology with their regional religions, those who were successful in creating their fake gods, the ancient Egytians gave us clues to speed up our process of investigations.

Both the Greeks and the Romans have deep connections with ancient Egypt, they studied from the KM.Tic scientist and took part in the looting of ancient Egypt's treasures and intellectual property.

budaatum:

Its not exactly true that ancient Egyptian Mythology is more history than myth, Amujale, I'm sorry to say.

Egyptian texts, heiroglyphs, specifically, were unreadable by the time of Ptolemy, by which time history of the past was already more mythical than historic. And unless your sources are not from western research, I feel you'd agree what we have is more hagiography than history since even most Egyptian history that we do have was copied, plagiarized and fabricated by westerners. They, at least, brought it to general awareness and without their input we'd know less.

Amujale:

The Ptolemy's did more to bastardise and desecrate the sacred sites of the Nile civilisation than make anyone aware of them.

budaatum:

...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs?wprov=sfla1...

Amujale:


The only substance in your response is in the link above, and supports the fact that only the Eurocentric couldnt read the hieroglyphs, the people of KM.T were literate, could read and write.

budaatum:

Explain "confirmation of the release of the Spirit of God" to me, and what you mean by "confirmation of the release of the Spirit of God on all flesh" please.

budaatum:

So tell. I'm in Nigeria, my home town village. Do I learn any KM.T?

Amujale:


Anyone can learn history.

. History -

Learn one's own secular history and use it as the basis of all other studies. Taking into consideration genuine and religious-neutral local historians, academics and scholars.

. Continental History -

One would have to maintain the same modus operandus of (1). Here one would learn of the Dogon and KM.T e.t.c

. World History -

Now, eventhough one would have to approach with an opened mind and without prejudice, by doing so, the African narrative can never be bargained, exchanged or put up for negotiation.

It's important to note that the history outside of Africa is largely unreliable due to the various nonsensical, misleading and false narratives that exist out there.


Apart from the African, noone else can be trusted to determine history.


Studying history from a genuine (non-Abrahamic religious) African historian's perspective, allows for us to be presented with the best and more logical version possible.


Therefore, the best advice for anyone who is ready to learn or study either American, Asian, or European history, should does that after an extensive study of one's own continent and under the guidance of religious-neutral African historians. i.e Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr Hendrik Clarke, Dr Ivan Sertima, Paul Barton, e.t.c aswell as making use of the relevance of African sercular history.

Amujale:


Anyone can learn history.

budaatum:

Where did you get "obeyed God's law from the time of Moses" from? Are there not numerous chapters in the Old Testament that say otherwise? And yes, you were progressing at your own pace so let me come take away all your recent foreign gadgets so you could continue developing at your own pace, shall I?

Forgive me vayina, but you do not appear to know much about Christ, nor about your ancestors, for that matter. To start with Christ existed way before Constantine, whom you claim created him, and there's a lot more to Christ than "dying for your sins" than you seem to know about. And your ancestors were not living a rosy life of "teaching laws" as you seem to think. Just as in the Old Testament, our ancestors too were breaking laws. In fact, you only have laws because people break them.

Yahweh was a God of fear, and very tribal. You did what you were told or you go to hell, but Adam and Eve didn't mind going to hell (it wasn't hell then but death, and then we find their death wasn't even as dead as first taught!), but my point is, fear, as a form of control, had stopped working, though the religious leaders by the time of Jesus, exploited with it. Jesus replaced that fear with Love, but you think he was created by the Romans, as "useless distraction" and a "sacrifice for sins".

It is written, "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor." You appear to be none of those people listed.

Freeze007:
Whoever pointed his ancestors may be correct.

1. It is no coincidence I stumbled on a new word before this post-DrUids
According to the little I understand, these set of people were wise, educated and had the muscle to compete with whatever advancement if they were or are here, however they did not bother about history to be recorded about them.

Back to the Jesus Christ, where did he cover during his traverse on earth? Was he non racial? Otherwise why would he rule out certain people as worthless-the gentiles, or was it just a mere account with an undertone? If at all, he is good, would he beat his guts to tell me, in Africa, there were no Ancestors or whoever who led us aright? Which makes me borrow the word growing at our own pace, it has never been about fast but well.

I am believing somebody is phony here, whoever it is, we shall soon find out. For me, I refuse to let religion tie me, I am honoring who is deserving and who directly made my landing where I am safe, those who protected and kept the land. If it Jesus fine and Good. If it is my Ancestors no worries if it is someone I am yet to find, I have an open mind. If Christianity is a scam, I would be the FIRST TO BURN ALL HER BOOKS, I look forward to a universal brotherhood not divisiveness

Freeze007:
... If Christianity is a scam,..