bashy_demy:

Hey are you talking of the same man that can not safe himself? a man that cry loud in pain my God my God why had thou forsaken me, a man that said he wish God will move this cup over meaning he dont for any man sin it just happen that the enemies have power over him what a shame

Image123:

Yeah, i'm talking about the man who said "I have overcome the world". He's the one who declared "All power is given to me in Heaven and in earth". What happened, NEPA took light in your place that you didn't finish the film? He said "MY grace is SUFFICIENT for you". We need no other. Did you see the part where He said "Tarry until you are endued with power" OR when He said with finality "I AM Alpha and Omega, the Almighty". Ha, you've missed a lot, where've you been?

bashy_demy:

and where was the power that has given to him when the enemies mock spat and whip his back and nail him to the cross i repeat again a man that cannot save himself cannot save me

Image123:

The power was right with Him. Power is not all gra gra, use bottle, break someone's head.
Luke 22v51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. 52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
It's easier to destroy than to build. You don't need much training for mayhem and display of anger. Muhamed couldn't heal a finger if his life depended on it. But the Lord of glory (Jesus Christ) demonstrated why He said He came to give abundant life. Now have they taught you this one below?
Matthew 26v52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Sweetnecta:



I dont know. Am sure it is not in Islam, otherwise the chance of returning into Islam would not have been given, agreeing with there is no compulsion in religion. In either verse it didnt mention Islam, it is religion as a whole that is mentioned.

bashy_demy:

i will use the verse above against you here, look at the Bold above and tell what gonna happen to Jesus and his disciples when he ask them to sell there bag and buy sword  i think the verses also referring to him and his disciples Matthew 26v52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword since they also take the sword definitely they are going to perished by the sword pls defend that

bashy_demy:

^^^ were you also trained to lied in your church? below are some verses dont tell me they are in parable cos i watch the video and saw the sword.

Luke 22:35-38:

35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

seyibrown:

sweetnecta and bashy_demy,

1.Is the killing of others because they belong or convert to another religion EVIL or GOOD?
2.In which countries is it LEGAL to KILL people for converting to or belonging to a different religion?
3.Do you CONDEMN or SUPPORT the killing of others for belonging to or converting to another religion?

Image123:

So you watched it, ah ah. It's either NEPA took your light or you suffered 'low current'. I'll say it again in truth and fairness. Jesus never instructed His disciples to 'sell their bag and buy sword'. You're the one 'lying' here. You have to show me that verse haha, maybe your film was pirated, could be why you saw disciples selling bags and buying swords.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

bashy_demy:

hmmmm are you so blind to see the verses up there? Image123 its not new to me the like of Almuhndis,Kola oloye, Olaadegu and co gace argue and later run away from the thread so is either you tell me you are blind to see those verses or you just want to accept the truth where Jesus ask his desciples to sell there garment and by sword and they said they have 2 and he said its enough so is your bible pirated?

vedaxcool:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it(Reminds one of suicide bombers, who are willing to lose their life for their cause)." (Matthew 10:34-39)


" 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51[size=18pt] Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.[/size] (Luke 12:49-53)

f anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)

Why all this threats?

Waiting for the Double- speaking Clowns to rush Parabulize it,Lol!

seyibrown:

. . . . and please, show me where Jesusu taught his disciples/ followers to: (a) go blow people up for Christ (b) go out in droves and slaughter non-christians (c) cut the heads of Christians who have converted to another religion (d) hate non-christians (e) preach and incite hatred of non- christians!


I have already posted a response correctly interpreting your misinterpretation of the scripture 'do not think I have come to grant peace on earth' in the right context on this same thread. Please go back an dread it.

Sweetnecta:

@Proo212: « #74 on: Yesterday at 06:08:59 PM »The bold is a classic and i'm grateful to God Almighty for it. While I'm lying, it is true that Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. It did not mention Islam or any religion for that matter. It further says in the very verse that truth has come and falsehood has no ability to continue. In another verse, Quran says that people who left Islam, becoming disbeliever, then decide to return into Islam, becoming beliver. Then after it becomes a disbeliever, again by leaving Islam. Then return to Islam, after it, and even then leave Islam, and then return to it again. This Allah Says after it, it may continue that it becomes a matter of joke or wimp, going in and coming out of Islam that Allah may not even accept their coming into Islam, since Only he Knows the heart.

If a man or people who say they are muslims then go out to kill a person who merely left Islam, is this an action enjoined on him or them by the Quran? If you turn to Hadith and say it is encouraged by it, then you will discover that it simply says those who leave their religion, without specifying Islam. Though I believe the Hadith is fabricated since it goes against Quran and not just explaining what the Quran says, but it did not say anything about Islam or other religion.

We can be sure that the Hadith is wrong or weak or fabricated, since it would mean that those who convert into Islam would therefore be killed.

Thanks for losing respect for me. By the way, when the croats, and others killed the muslims in Bosnia, and the Spanish Inquisition and the old Crusades of so many centuries ago, and even the crusade of president Bush, did you chalk that to Christianity? How about the Hindus killing the Muslims in Mombai?

Image123:

Good to see you're saying something different from Jesus telling His disciples to 'sell their bag and buy sword'. You're making progress without knowing it. One of my ogas has dismissed the case above, do you care to rebut that?
Hopefully, you should learn. But my fears for you are that I've only replied you with few lines and you've blatantly misunderstood/failed to understand me. You're yet to even see your comprehension mistakes, how are you going to cope with chapters and passages of scripture?

bashy_demy:

pls what about my comment you dont understand selling there bags or garment to buy sword what is the different? if you were asked to sell your shoe to buy food and you said i already have food good but what is the preacher driving at is that you get food wish mean what jesus is trying to say here is that they need sword one way or the other and for those that does not have to sell there garment to buy one and they said we have 2 sword and he said is enough what did he mean by the 2 sword is enough and what was sword for those days? i dont know what you dont understand about this or else you are just trying to say bible is lying or jesus is lying or you are a lier

Image123:

So you rebutted, you get mind o.
Okay, to ya questions. I don't understand that there is no difference between 'bags and garments'. So bags and garments mean the same thing to you, or you've not watched that part that said even a tittle of the Word of God is important?
I was going to later ask you the meaning of the english words 'two swords are ENOUGH', but seeing you already asked, i'll answer thus. Do you imagine that a sword can be multi-purpose? What is a staff/staves, and what can it be used for? You should thank me for giving you clues instead of asking if i'm lier.

Image123:

So you rebutted, you get mind o.
Okay, to ya questions. I don't understand that there is no difference between 'bags and garments'. So bags and garments mean the same thing to you, or you've not watched that part that said even a tittle of the Word of God is important?
I was going to later ask you the meaning of the english words 'two swords are ENOUGH', but seeing you already asked, i'll answer thus. Do you imagine that a sword can be multi-purpose? What is a staff/staves, and what can it be used for? You should thank me for giving you clues instead of asking if i'm lier.

seyibrown:

sweetnecta,

Are you saying that the Quran does not say:
(a)to kill any one who converts from Islam (the religion of Allah) but instead says
(b) to kill anyone who converts from his religion; or that
(c) either or both a and b are only found in an Hadith (which is false when it contradicts the Quran)?

If 'b', please quote and link to the Quranic verse. If your answer is 'c', will you then agree that any Muslim who kills another Muslim who has converted to another religion has not followed the commanment of Allah, and is therefore a murderer?