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Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 8:20am On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege:Even in the USA, the laws of each State are different, what obtains in State of A" maybe different from State B". The Judge is in a position to determine whether or not to allow a Minor's testimony, on a case by case basis. Every minor do not possess the same capacity for understanding or conviction about any matter. JWs usually respect the outcome of Court judgements. ************** Hardly will you find a medical journal that has never published research findings about bloodless medical procedures and breakthroughs in that aspect. Many medical professionals are already aware of these advances, there is positive progress, more will come.... The HLC have done well to promote cordial relationship and better understanding of JW positions on alternatives to bloodless medical treatment. Both sides are very interested & committed to better, improved healthcare for patients who are Jehovah's witnesses. JWs respect & appreciate the medical professionals for their understanding and cooperation. God bless. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 8:27am On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege: Regarding our beliefs that's not desirable to humans, you're 100% correct. John 3:19 Because we are NO PART of the world {John 17:14-16} so our beliefs are totally strange to any human society, all of you are carrying about the old personality {Romans 6:6, Ephesians 422, Colossians 3:9} whereas Jehovah's Witnesses have also lived with it before. So now that we are striving vigorous to put on the new personality that was created in God's image {Luke 13:24 compared to Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} any right thinking individual shouldn't except such teachings that's powerful enough to CHANGE people from what is common to something unique to be DESIRABLE! Mark 3:21, John 10:20 compared to Act 24:26 But it will definitely yield fine fruits! Matthew 5:14-16 |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 8:33am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Janosky: While laws in USA differs from state to state, there are some non negotiable instances where it is a standard, and I believe this is one of such. No state will allow you jeopardise a child's life. Please kindly do a bit of more research, and let us know which state has a different approach in the care of their children. Do not assume anything as this is a very serious matter. Do not just wave it away and make hasty generalisations as though we're not talking of human lives here. Passing down wrong information is far worse than passing no information at all. I really have no problems with JW and their beliefs. I may not agree with them, but I completely understand and respect our differences. However, in the case of children, parents don't have the absolute right on the life or death of their children. Have you read this article yet? https://adc.bmj.com/content/90/7/715 |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 8:36am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Maximus69: You are quoting bible verses for me, and yet also trying to convince me on the advancement of science and how non blood products are superior and have an advantage over blood products. Odiegwu |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 9:56am On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege: Pls, don't get me wrong. I have never passed any wrong info on this thread. Note, I have already said "JWs usually respect the outcomes of court judgments" whether or not it is in our (JW) favor. That your link didn't open,not accessible now. Pls see this: https://forum.ashrm.org/2018/03/29/risks-and-legal-issues-in-caring-for-minor-jehovahs-witness-patients/ |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 9:59am On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege:You see what i mean! Your God has mouth but it's speechless, it has ears but can't hear, eyes but can't see! Psalms 115:4-8 My own God is the Creator, he is not teaching us science but when he speaks of any topic in SCIENCE, no matter how diligent those in that field study it or make research, they'll come back to bow before the WISDOM found in the words of my own God! Isaiah 55:9-11 That's why his son gave us the command to go and knock on anybody's doors with confidence, {Matthew 10:11-13, 28:19-20} because the principles found in the words of our God surpasses all human philosophy and wisdom! Ephesians 3:19 So don't be surprised that i'm quoting God's word yet telling you that scientists have come to know that they can offer better services regarding health if they follow the wise counsels found in the Bible! 2Timothy 3:16-17 |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 10:09am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Janosky: Pls see this: https://forum.ashrm.org/2018/03/29/risks-and-legal-issues-in-caring-for-minor-jehovahs-witness-patients/ SPORTS TECHNOLOGY UNCATEGORIZED ENTERPRISE RISK MANAGEMENT (ERM) • LEGAL & REGULATORY • PATIENT SAFETY/CLINICAL CARE Risks and Legal Issues in Caring for Minor Jehovah’s Witness Patients March 29, 201810 Min Read A fundamental right of modern healthcare is that a patient can refuse medical treatment (1). In most circumstances, this extends to a parent’s right to refuse treatment for their minor child (2). When the rationale for refusal is religion, and especially when the treatment being refused is potentially lifesaving, the situation becomes more complex. This may arise when working with families from the Jehovah’s Witness (JW) community, a group that largely rejects whole blood products, including transfusion. This article provides background and practical tips for risk managers who may be asked to consult on cases involving the refusal of blood for minor patients from the JW community. Background There are an estimated 8.3 million JW in the world, primarily in the United States (1.2 million), Mexico (859,000) and Brazil (829,000) (3,4). The majority of JW interpret the Bible as prohibiting receiving whole blood products (5). The JW community actively instills the importance of this prohibition, encouraging members to carry “blood refusal cards” and execute Advance Directives detailing their wishes regarding blood. This extends to their children who are aware of the prohibition (6,7). JW who accept blood may be subject to repercussions within their community, which reportedly can include shunning (. Given the inherent challenges in obtaining bloodless care, the JW community has become sophisticated in healthcare matters. JW Hospital Liaison Committees (HLCs) operate in 110 countries around the world, including 1,700 chapters within the United States (9). HLCs, comprised of male elders, aid patients and families by providing spiritual and practical assistance in the hospital, as well as aiding healthcare providers. In this role, they may offer literature on bloodless techniques, assist with consulting providers experienced in bloodless care or help with arranging transfer to other facilities. HLCs also provide educational lectures to providers and staff on working with JW families. Legal Landscape Minors ( i.e. , individuals under the state- specific age of consent, usually 18) generally cannot provide consent for or refuse medical treatment. States vary on exceptions to this rule ( e.g. , many states carve out specific types of care that minors may consent to on their own—such as sexually transmitted infection treatment) (10). In the majority of cases, however, a parent must provide consent or refusal. This principle is not absolute, as is the case when a JW parent refuses blood for their minor child. While the U.S. Constitution protects the freedom to practice religion, courts have not interpreted that freedom to include the right to refuse lifesaving treatment for a child on the basis of that religion (11). Instead, courts confronted with the issue have upheld a hospital’s ability to provide blood even against a parent’s wishes (11). Some states even have specific laws that authorize a court to order treatment under certain circumstances, though such laws are not required since a court can make an independent determination based on the state’s inherent interest in protecting the child (11,12,13). Exception for Mature Minor There is one notable exception for cases that involve adolescents. In a minority of states, a “mature minor” doctrine allows minors who demonstrate a requisite level of maturity the right to consent for, and potentially refuse, treatment (14). While 17 states recognize the doctrine to varying degrees and in different settings, only a handful of the states have allowed an adolescent to refuse live-saving treatment (14). Outcomes vary based on state-specific legal precedent and the facts ( e.g. , genuineness of the religious belief, whether treatment would be curative) (15). In one of the most well-known recent cases, a 14- year-old JW in Washington State was allowed to refuse blood products, ultimately leading to his death, despite the fact that blood transfusions likely would have saved his life (16). In practice, when blood is emergently needed to save a minor’s life, hospitals likely will provide the blood and document it in the patient’s medical record. After the emergency ends or in non-emergent or chronic condition situations, hospitals typically seek a court order to provide blood products. The court will generally hold a hearing, allowing the hospital and the parent and/or minor to explain their positions. The judge then makes a determination, issued via court order, which should be entered into the patient’s medical record. Practical Tips Risk managers should consider the following when working on these challenging cases: Blood refusal by JW not a given. Not all JW ascribe to the blood prohibition, so healthcare providers should not assume a self-identified JW will refuse blood (17). It is important to discuss the need for blood privately with both the parent and the patient (if appropriate), as the presence of other JW (including close family members and HLC members) may make the parent or patient feel pressured to refuse. Nontraditional consent . Although rare, some adult JW have reportedly appointed a non-JW to provide consent on their behalf (18). Similarly, a JW parent may be amenable to temporarily delegating another individual the power to consent for their child’s transfusion. Transfer or collaboration considerations. Ensure that the care team has considered whether collaboration with or transfer to another facility with more experience in bloodless techniques is an option. The HLC, if involved in care, can be a valuable resource in arranging for consultation or coordinating transfer. Continual and critical assessment. Providing blood is often done as a matter of course based on hospital protocol or when laboratory values reach a certain threshold. In cases involving a JW, the care team should continually and critically assess the patient’s condition and options to determine whether withholding blood or alternate options might be medically appropriate. Patient and family inclusion. Healthcare providers may discount the importance of communicating with the patient and the family since, in the end, the hospital will often be able to provide blood. Despite this, risk managers should ensure that, at every hospitalization, the patient and family are: (A) given the opportunity for their wishes to be heard, (B) given a clear explanation of the hospital’s position and any obligations that the hospital has under law or policy and (C) informed of and kept updated on the hospital’s actions ( g. , seeking a court order). Child protection considerations. The majority of states specifically exempt treatment refusal on religious grounds from the definition of child neglect. If this is true in your state, child protection authorities should not be contacted based solely on a JW parent’s refusal of blood (12). Court preparation . If your hospital does seek a court order: Work with the court and/or hospital legal counsel to prepare. Beyond assistance with forms and procedures, ask the following: will the court accept testimony from any member of the care team ( g. , social work, case management) or does it require the attending physician? Will the court accept a written statement or telephone testimony or is in-person testimony required? Generally, the court order will relate only to the provision of blood products and the parent will retain all other parental rights, including the right to consent for (or refuse) other types of treatment. When court is involved, a parent sometimes mistakenly believes that their parental rights are broadly being taken away, a distressing misconception. If given the opportunity to propose language for the court order, draft one that authorizes blood products throughout the admission or condition ( g. , long-term treatment for leukemia) to prevent return trips to court. Conclusion Care teams should work closely with patients and families from the JW community to ensure that, while the hospital may need to provide blood with or without court proceedings, it can be handled in a positive manner. Risk managers should encourage the entire care team to approach these cases with an open mind and transparency, with a focus on clearly communicating the hospital’s obligations and plans while minimizing the patient’s or family’s fears of repercussions (whether from the JW community, the hospital, or the court/legal system). References 1. Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dep’t of Health, 497 US 261 (1990). 2. We use “parent” throughout as shorthand for parent(s) or guardian(s) . 3. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (2016) 2017 yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses: 2016 grand totals. Retrieved from https:// www.jw.org/en/publications/ books/2017-yearbook/2016-grand- totals/ 4. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (2016) 2017 yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses: 2016 service year report of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. Retrieved from https:// www.jw.org/en/publications/ books/2017-yearbook/jehovahs- witnesses-service-report-2016/ 5. For example, Genesis 9:4: “Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat”; Leviticus 17:14: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off”; Acts 15:20: “Abstain . . . from blood.” See JW.org, (n.d.) What does the Bible say about blood transfusions? Retrieved from https:// www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/ questions/bible-about-blood- transfusion/ . The official JW stance is that while whole blood products are prohibited, it is up to the individual to determine whether they will accept blood fractions ( g. , gamma globulin, interleukins)—under the theory that “at some point fractions that have been extracted from blood [may] cease to represent the life of the creature from which the blood was taken.” Use of certain blood techniques ( e.g. , hemodilution, cell salvage) is also up to the individual’s determination. JW.org, Keep yourself in God’s love, appendix: blood fractions and surgical procedures. Retrieved from https:// wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp- e/1102008086 6. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (2005) Could your child make a mature decision? Our kingdom ministry, 48(12). Retrieved from https://www.scribd.com/ document/303664572/Watchtower- Kingdom-Ministry-2005-issues 7. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (2015) She stuck to her beliefs. Awake! Retrieved from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp- e/102015286 8. Smith S. (2016) Jehovah’s Witnesses incapable of free, informed refusal of blood, former adherent says. CBC News (Montreal). Retrieved from http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ montreal/jehovah-s-witnesses- incapable-of-free-informed-refusal-of- blood-former-adherent- says-1.3829778 9. org (2012) Hospital liaison committees for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Retrieved from https://www.jw.org/ en/medical-library/strategies- downloads/hospital-liaison- committees-jehovahs-witnesses/ 10. Guttmacher Institute (2018) An overview of minors’ consent law. Retrieved from https:// www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/ explore/overview-minors-consent-law 11. Woolley, S. (2005) Children of Jehovah’s Witnesses and adolescent Jehovah’s Witnesses: what are their rights? Archives of Disease in Childhood 90(7), 715–719. doi:10.1136/adc.2004.067843 12. Sandstrom A. (2016) Most states allow religious exemptions from child abuse and neglect laws. Retrieved from http://www.pewresearch.org/ fact-tank/2016/08/12/most-states- allow-religious-exemptions-from- child-abuse-and-neglect-laws/ 13. National District Attorneys Association (2015) Religious exemptions to child neglect. Retrieved from http://www.ndaa.org/ pdf/2-11-2015%20Religious% 20Exemptions%20to%20Child% 20Neglect.pdf 14. Coleman D.L., & Rosoff P.M. (2013) The legal authority of mature minors to consent to general medical treatment. Pediatrics 131(4), 786-793. doi:10.1542/peds.2012-2470 15. Blake V. (2012) Minors’ refusal of life- saving therapies. AMA Journal of Ethics: Virtual Mentor 14(10) 792-796. doi:10.1001/ virtualmentor.2012.14.10.hlaw1-1210 16. Raftery I. (2015) When a 14-year-old chooses to die because of religion, can anyone stop him? KUOW News and Information. Retrieved from http://kuow.org/post/when-14-year- old-chooses-die-because-religion- can-anyone-stop-him 17. See, for example, the Advocates for Jehovah’s Witness Reform on Blood (AJWRB), a group of dissident JW who do not ascribe to the blood prohibition. 18. Karkowsky C.E. (2013) How I treat patients who refuse blood transfusions. Slate. Retrieved from http://www.slate.com/articles/health_ and_science/medical_ examiner/2013/06/jehovah_s_ witness_blood_transfusions_how_a_ doctor_works_around_doctrine.html Denise Winiarski, JD, CPHRM, Associate General Counsel at the University of Michigan, advises Michigan Medicine, the University of Michigan’s academic medical center, on risk management and litigation issues. Emily Klatt, JD, is Associate General Counsel at the University of Michigan, advising Michigan Medicine on regulatory matters. Amir Kazerouninia, MD, PhD is a graduate of the University of Michigan Medical School and an internal medicine/pediatrics resident at Baylor College of Medicine / Texas Children’s Hospital"" |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 10:13am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69 You sound very delusional. I would be interested on how you arrived at the conclusion that JW are ahead in all those things you've listed. It would be quite interesting to note. There is a stage where you allow dogmas eat so deep into your very essence, you start behaving/speaking irrationally. You perhaps have reached that stage? |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 10:27am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Janosky: Yes, I have seen the particular article. Can you tell me what you have understood by this article? Because it further buttresses my point with regards to minors. Or is it the "mature" minors that is the confusion here? The law is set up in such a way that the mature minors can accept treatment but it becomes herculean ro refuse treatment While I read about the 14 year old who refused treatment with blood and later on died, did you also read about hospitals providing blood in emergency situations for these children and once the patient is stable they can then start going to court on future transfusion orders? For anaemic patients with chronic conditions, blood transfusion might not necessarily make the difference in their case. They have the value of time to drag out court cases, but not emergencies in children Please read this article from their medical association in another Western country with regards to the law concerning minors. They also use the mature minor arguments- Gillick competency but if you study it well, you will see that the law is set up to support accepting treatment and not refusing it. https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/employment/ethics/consent/consent-tool-kit/7-children-and-young-people |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 10:39am On Jan 21, 2020 |
Janosky An extract from the link I posted : "In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, refusal of treatment by competent young people under the age of 18 is not necessarily binding upon doctors since the courts have ruled that consent from people with parental responsibility, or a court, still allows doctors to provide treatment. Where a competent young person refuses treatment, the harm caused by violating a young person’s choice must be balanced against the harm caused by failing to treat. In these cases the courts have said that children and young people have a right to consent to what is being proposed, but not to refuse it if this would put their health in serious jeopardy. In Scotland, it is likely that neither parents nor the courts are entitled to override a competent young patient’s decision, although this matter cannot be considered settled. If a competent young person refuses treatment, it would be advisable to seek legal advice and it may be necessary to take the matter to court. (See also Card 1 list: ‘0-18 years’, ‘Children’, ‘Consent’, ‘DoH’, ‘MET’, ‘MDU’, ‘MPS’.) " |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege: Just compare that statement to what a Roman governor called FESTUS said to Apostle Paul! @ Act 26:24 also read John 10:20 Well i suppose it's the same thing that happened to those two persons that's presently affecting Maximus! All you just need to do is prove me wrong! |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 6:52pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege: The info above is clearly understood. Thanks for sharing. God bless. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 8:07pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
eyinjuege:I read your link.... it's well understood. In the situation Where a mature minor firmly insists to refuse blood transfusions, the Court may or may not accede to the patients request. (These Laws on Minor's Rights are slightly different in USA,England and Scotland). The trial Judge would pass a verdict after thorough assessment of all the factors peculiar to that particular case. ********** From the link I shared,this points below highlight what the article explained... (A) Minors ( i.e. , individuals under the state- specific age of consent, usually 18) generally cannot provide consent for or refuse medical treatment. States vary on exceptions to this rule ( e.g. , many states carve out specific types of care that minors may consent to on their own—such as sexually transmitted infection treatment). (B) (10). In the majority of cases, however, a parent must provide consent or refusal. This principle is not absolute, as is the case when a JW parent refuses blood for their minor child. While the U.S. Constitution protects the freedom to practice religion, courts have not interpreted that freedom to include the right to refuse lifesaving treatment for a child on the basis of that religion (11). Instead, courts confronted with the issue have upheld a hospital’s ability to provide blood even against a parent’s wishes (11). (**C) Some states even have specific laws that authorize a court to order treatment under certain circumstances, though such laws are not required since a court can make an independent determination based on the state’s inherent interest in protecting the child (11,12,13). (**D). Exception for Mature Minor There is one notable exception for cases that involve adolescents. In a minority of states, a “mature minor” doctrine allows minors who demonstrate a requisite level of maturity the right to consent for, and potentially refuse, treatment (14). While 17 states recognize the doctrine to varying degrees and in different settings, only a handful of the states have allowed an adolescent to refuse live-saving treatment (14). Outcomes vary based on state-specific legal precedent and the facts ( e.g. , genuineness of the religious belief, whether treatment would be curative)" (****E) Transfer or collaboration considerations. Ensure that the care team has considered whether collaboration with or transfer to another facility with more experience in bloodless techniques is an option. The HLC, if involved in care, can be a valuable resource in arranging for consultation or coordinating transfer. Continual and critical assessment. In cases involving a JW, the care team should continually and critically assess the patient’s condition and options to determine whether withholding blood or alternate options might be medically appropriate." Our HLC is ever willing to collaborate with medical professionals and we sincerely appreciate the expertise of the medical teams who respond to our emergencies to save lives with utmost regard for our bible based beliefs. Dalu rinne. Eshe gaan. Wadooo. Urhuese. ************ God bless. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 10:22am On Jan 22, 2020 |
madridsta007:Dumb post. Jesus Christ himself is a Jehovah's witness. Isaiah 42:10-12. Rev 3:5,12-14. Acts3:13. John20:17. Jehovah's witnesses are Christians,we believe in Jesus Christ and his Father, Jehovah God. John 14:1. John17:3. Matt10:32-33. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 10:39am On Jan 22, 2020 |
Seun: The same 'blood transfusion live saving ' fable have brought death and misery to tens of thousands of children and adults all over the globe. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ transfusions-kill-patients-say- doctors-1070012.html BBC News Navigation Sections What is the contaminated blood scandal? By Nick Triggle Health correspondent 14 June 2019 Share Related Topics UK contaminated blood inquiry Image copyright PA The infection of up to 30,000 people with contaminated blood has been called the biggest treatment disaster in NHS history. Thousands have died. A public inquiry is now under way - but what is already known about the scandal? Who was affected? People with haemophilia and other bleeding disorders were given blood infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and 1980s. It was the result of a new treatment intended to make their lives better. A clotting agent called Factor VIII was introduced to help their blood clot. Before this, patients faced lengthy stays in hospital to have transfusions, even for minor injuries. People who had blood transfusions after an operation, or childbirth, are also thought to have been exposed. About 5,000 people are believed to have been infected - but some estimates put the number at 30,000. Nearly 3,000 people have died. The public inquiry has heard the stories of some of those affected. One of the first to take the stand was Derek Martindale, who has haemophilia . He was 23 when he was diagnosed with HIV and given a year to live, in 1985. He survived but his brother - who was also infected with HIV - did not. How did it happen? The UK was struggling to keep up with demand for the Factor VIII blood clotting treatment, so supplies began to be imported from the US. But much of the human blood plasma used to make it came from donors such as prison inmates and drug-users, who sold their blood. These groups were at higher risk of blood- borne viruses. However, at the time, HIV had not been diagnosed and understanding about hepatitis was still developing. The risk of contamination was raised further because Factor VIII was made by pooling plasma from up to 40,000 donors and concentrating it. How long did this last? By the mid-1980s, once it was clear HIV was blood-borne, the products started to be heat-treated, to kill the viruses. But questions remain about how much was known before this time. Despite these precautions, some of the contaminated blood products remained in circulation and continued to be used. Screening of all blood products began in 1991. And by the late 1990s, synthetic treatments for haemophilia became available, removing the infection risk. What are the aims of the inquiry? This UK-wide inquiry now under way is the first that can demand that witnesses give evidence. It comes after decades of campaigning by victims, who claim the risks were never explained and the scandal was covered up. The government has been strongly criticised for dragging its heels. Infected blood victim 'wanted to die' Blood inquiry seeks answers at last The secret in my blood Liz Hooper: The woman who lost two husbands to the scandal A previous, privately funded inquiry held no official status. It could not compel witnesses to testify, or demand the release of important documents. In Scotland, a seven-year investigation was criticised as a "whitewash" when it was published in 2015. The current inquiry, due to last two years, was announced only after the UK government faced a possible defeat in a Commons vote demanding one. Have people been infected elsewhere in the world? There have been thousands of cases of people being given infected blood in the US. But other countries also imported blood products during the 1970s and 1980s. In Europe, cases in France, Ireland, Portugal and Italy have been identified. Japan, Canada, Iran and Iraq have also been caught up in the scandal. In the US, companies that supplied infected products have paid out millions of dollars in out-of-court settlements. In other countries, politicians and drug companies have been convicted of negligence. None of that has happened in the UK - although victims have been given limited financial support. At the opening of the inquiry, it was announced that criminal trials could follow." ********** |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 10:45am On Jan 22, 2020 |
Seun: The same 'blood transfusion live saving ' fable have brought death and misery to tens of thousands of children and adults all over the globe. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/transfusions-kill-patients-say-doctors-1070012.html ****"********* BBC News Navigation Sections What is the contaminated blood scandal? By Nick Triggle Health correspondent 14 June 2019 Share Related Topics UK contaminated blood inquiry Image copyright PA The infection of up to 30,000 people with contaminated blood has been called the biggest treatment disaster in NHS history. Thousands have died. A public inquiry is now under way - but what is already known about the scandal? Who was affected? People with haemophilia and other bleeding disorders were given blood infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and 1980s. It was the result of a new treatment intended to make their lives better. A clotting agent called Factor VIII was introduced to help their blood clot. Before this, patients faced lengthy stays in hospital to have transfusions, even for minor injuries. People who had blood transfusions after an operation, or childbirth, are also thought to have been exposed. About 5,000 people are believed to have been infected - but some estimates put the number at 30,000. Nearly 3,000 people have died. The public inquiry has heard the stories of some of those affected. One of the first to take the stand was Derek Martindale, who has haemophilia . He was 23 when he was diagnosed with HIV and given a year to live, in 1985. He survived but his brother - who was also infected with HIV - did not. How did it happen? The UK was struggling to keep up with demand for the Factor VIII blood clotting treatment, so supplies began to be imported from the US. But much of the human blood plasma used to make it came from donors such as prison inmates and drug-users, who sold their blood. These groups were at higher risk of blood- borne viruses. However, at the time, HIV had not been diagnosed and understanding about hepatitis was still developing. The risk of contamination was raised further because Factor VIII was made by pooling plasma from up to 40,000 donors and concentrating it. How long did this last? By the mid-1980s, once it was clear HIV was blood-borne, the products started to be heat-treated, to kill the viruses. But questions remain about how much was known before this time. Despite these precautions, some of the contaminated blood products remained in circulation and continued to be used. Screening of all blood products began in 1991. And by the late 1990s, synthetic treatments for haemophilia became available, removing the infection risk. What are the aims of the inquiry? This UK-wide inquiry now under way is the first that can demand that witnesses give evidence. It comes after decades of campaigning by victims, who claim the risks were never explained and the scandal was covered up. The government has been strongly criticised for dragging its heels. Infected blood victim 'wanted to die' Blood inquiry seeks answers at last The secret in my blood Liz Hooper: The woman who lost two husbands to the scandal A previous, privately funded inquiry held no official status. It could not compel witnesses to testify, or demand the release of important documents. In Scotland, a seven-year investigation was criticised as a "whitewash" when it was published in 2015. The current inquiry, due to last two years, was announced only after the UK government faced a possible defeat in a Commons vote demanding one. Have people been infected elsewhere in the world? There have been thousands of cases of people being given infected blood in the US. But other countries also imported blood products during the 1970s and 1980s. In Europe, cases in France, Ireland, Portugal and Italy have been identified. Japan, Canada, Iran and Iraq have also been caught up in the scandal. In the US, companies that supplied infected products have paid out millions of dollars in out-of-court settlements. In other countries, politicians and drug companies have been convicted of negligence. None of that has happened in the UK - although victims have been given limited financial support. At the opening of the inquiry, it was announced that criminal trials could follow." ********** |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by madridsta007(m): 11:25am On Jan 22, 2020 |
Janosky: Jehovah Witnesses are not the type to reply someone with the insult, "dumb post". You are not a JW. You are a fraud. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 12:10pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
madridsta007: You're wrong! When you spew gibberish, we will gently walk away from your door as UNINVITED guests. But when we've not come to preach (plead) for your audience, any stupid utterance that protrudes out of your mouth will earn you what you deserve! From Abel's time till today all servants of God are Jehovah's Witnesses. Hebrew 12:1 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 Jesus is the first and foremost of the family, that's why the Bible book of Revelation called him THE FAITHFUL WITNESS. Revelations 1:5 God hide that precious name from all of you so that you can steal the TEMPORARY name given to the first century practicers of pure worship. So that after all of you have been carried away with the TEMPORARY group name (Christians), God's people may resume bearing the divinely given name "Jehovah's Witnesses". Isaiah 65:15 |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 12:19pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
Janosky: God bless you too.. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by madridsta007(m): 12:20pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: Again, you are not a JW. You are a fraud. Your language is far, far, from the JWs I grew up and stayed with for more than 20 years. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 1:13pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
madridsta007: For more than 20 years! OK that's why you think they're always Christlike, but since they're not called Christians you came on a public forum to say "They are NOT Christians". Preposterous indeed! It's either you don't know the meaning of the group name Christians or you're just confused! |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by madridsta007(m): 1:16pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: I attend Kingdom Hall with them, assemblies with them, went witnessing with them, ate with them etc. Best friends. Always reminded me to refer to them as JWs first. If you ask, "are you a Christian", they go, "No, I am a Jehovah Witness". Unless things have changed, I know more about your organisation than you. They always referred to it as an "organisation" too. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 1:41pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
madridsta007: Wow! That's interesting! Perhaps they're expecting you to draw a reasonable conclusion on your own. It's just as their leader Jesus did when he was here on earth! People even spirits will like to call him CHRIST but he'll object saying you shouldn't address him with that title! Mark 8:29-30 compared to Luke 4:34 So i'm not surprised if his REAL followers also want you to discern yourself who they really are without calling them "Christians" publicly! |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Hairyrapunzel: 6:49pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
Janosky: And the same blood transfusion has also saved billions of lives. Your autologous blood transfusion aka bloodless surgery Your blood fractions/components is gotten from blood donated by wicked/worldly people Your argument can still be argued the other way. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Hairyrapunzel: 7:02pm On Jan 22, 2020 |
Janosky: So last last jw parents don't have any right to refuse blood transfusion on immature minors when it is needed in developed countries. Your leaders tell you to refuse blood transfusion for your babies when doctors recommend it in developing whereas they can't refuse blood transfusion for their babies in their developed countries. After all the gra gra is mature minors consent you saw to bring out when it's a newborn we are talking about here. Smh |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by eyinjuege: 4:06pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
Hairyrapunzel: Autologous transfusion is transfusion of patient's own blood back into him. It is not blood donated by wicked worldly people and it's simply putting your blood back into yourself. It's not practicable for all persons or situations and certainly cannot be used for this particular child in question as his blood is tainted with jaundice. You need to be less emotional about this and more factual. You and maximus69 are one of a kind, on the 2 divides I must say. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Nobody: 4:32pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
eyinjuege: You're getting close to the secret behind all these! We are both on opposite sides, he is on one side of the chasm between Hairyrapunzel and Maximus69. He will always oppose my stand and i will also do the same. Luke 16:24-26 compared to Genesis 3:15 But one thing you've not noticed is that he is fighting for no specific group while i'm maintaining my stand for the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses! I will reason with you but keen on my stand for the congregation of God, but he is just desperate to condemn any religion claiming to be unique! |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Hairyrapunzel: 9:02pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
eyinjuege: So jw jehovah said jw should accept autologous blood transfusion aka bloodless surgery and reject allogenic blood transfusion? last they are both blood transfusion. Their jehovah even told them that they should accept blood fractions/components donated from blood of worldly/wicked/evil people. I think their jehovah aka gb are just hypocrites and wicked people who pride themselves on the fact that people kill themselves and their children in obedience to their manmade laws. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Hairyrapunzel: 9:04pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
eyinjuege: Autologous blood transfusion is a type of blood transfusion oga. Abi jehovah differentiated the kind of blood transfusion he wanted? |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 12:39pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
[quote author=MOSICATED5 post=85920846][/quote] You are a FRAUD..... Shame on you DUBIOUS, wayo man. You know the reason why I said so. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by Janosky: 1:42pm On Feb 05, 2020 |
Janosky post= : https://starconnectmedia.com/why-ray-ekpu-goofed-disgraced-journalism-in-his-fanatical-witnesses/ EDITORIAL Why Ray Ekpu goofed, disgraced journalism in his Fanatical Witnesses By starconnect Posted on February 1, 2020 COMMENTS -------------- Allegations and conclusions reached by Ray Ekpu in his article are misleading, others are at best half truth while the rest are insults and outright falsehood. One of the main tenets of journalism is that while opinions are free, facts are scared Emmanuel Thomas l Saturday, February 01, 2020 L AGOS, Nigeria – Among the legendary statements ever uttered by man which I cherish so much is that by Othman Danfodio, he said that “Conscience is an open wound, only truth can heal it” that is why I have a tremendous respect for men like Ray Ekpu, a man who has spent nearly 50 years in a relentless and vigorous pursuit of such truth. As a veteran journalist, prolific writer, administrator and a renowned columnist, Ray’s analysis and opinion on diverse issues can be authoritative. Mr. Ray Ekpu, a former editor of the now defunct, News Watch Magazine For those of us who have followed his writings over the years, it is no exaggeration to conclude that he is a master of the prose genre as he practically takes one on a journey of free flowing prose so captivating that you do not want to stop until you have finished reading his article. Ray is also a courageous writer, not afraid to bare his mind on diverse issues. Perhaps, it was with such zeal and zest that he took me on a journey in his weekly column of Daily Sun Tuesday, 28 January 2020. In an article entitled ” Fanatical Witnesses” the columnist of repute made series of allegations against Jehovah’s Witnesses starting with this statement. ´The religious group that calls itself Jehovah’s Witnesses is a very unique group in Christendom. They hold their Church services on Saturday not Sundays. They do not sing the national anthems of the countries in which they live. They do not respect the national flag. They hold themselves as outlaws and do not give to Caesar what is Caesar’s they think that their duty is only to give God what is God’s” One of the few things I still remember about my philosophy class, an elective course I chose as a student in the University over 20 years ago is that there are two ways of finding out truth. The first is “Logical coherence” while the second is empirical investigation. Today, I believe there are more ways of finding out truth but I will stick to the two ways I know which are timeless in appeal and efficacy. Like other mortals, Ray is not infallible, he never claimed he is hence my first reaction would have been to write a personal letter to him, refuting some of the assertions he made in the article which are not correct. But on a second thought, I reckoned that it would benefit him and the reading public more if I send this rejoinder to the editor to publish because some of the allegations and conclusions in his article are misleading, others are at best half truth while the rest are insults and outright falsehood. One of the main tenets of journalism is that while opinions are free, facts are scared. So a little empirical investigation on the website of Jehovah’s Witnesses, JW.ORG (the world’s most translated website) would have shown him that Jehovah’s Witnesses hold 2 meetings in a week. The first is a mid-week meeting while the second is a weekend meeting; he would also have found out that 90% of the over 8.6 million witnesses in 240 lands, islands and territories worldwide hold their meetings on Sundays. On the issue of national anthem and pledge, Jehovah’s Witnesses, having made an unreservedly and whole hearted pledge to Jehovah, the sovereign of the universe, believe that it amounts to hypocrisy to make another pledge to a country or state, interestingly, the pledge we made to Jehovah includes living by bible standards, which includes respect and obedience to constituted authorities as part of reverence to God. So it is not correct to say that we do not respect the national flags of countries where we live. That is why in obedience to the scriptural injunction at Romans 13:1, we subject ourselves to superior authorities by obeying laws of the land, conscientiously paying our taxes, tributes and honor to such governmental authorities. However, in rare instances where the authorities make demands that are contrary to God’s laws like in some countries where certain laws unduly restricts or ban our worship, we follow the footsteps of the apostles as recorded in Acts 5: 29, to …”obey God as ruler rather than men”. The Witnesses’ respect and view of governmental authorities transcends perfunctory obedience like singing the national anthem and pledge, swearing oat to serve with honesty, heart and might, only for many to get involved in anti-governmental activities like civil disobedience, official malfeasance like fraud or outright theft. As an experienced administrator and believer in good governance, I know that Ray will prefer a heartfelt obedience to constituted authorities to a mere ritual of flag salute or mockery oat of loyalty and allegiance. I also find as complimentary, Ray’s attempt to describe the dress of the Witnesses who came calling at his door in derogatory terms. While like he said, they may not have worn finely cut suit and red-carpet gowns, he noted that they were modestly dressed, and the gown “covered everywhere from head to toe”, it will interest Ray to know that such was the description of the garment made for Adam and Eve, the first human pair by the greatest designer in the universe, Jehovah after they sinned, were sentenced and driven out of the garden of Eden. In a world that is alienated from God. Long garments that cover the body properly are not popular, instead men glorify immodest dressing and grooming. That is why I found his description complimentary rather than derogatory. I also found it surprising and a bit disappointing that a writer of Ray’s repute will describe as “stupidity and insanity” a loving effort by the Witnesses who have volunteered and sacrificed their comfort to share a message of God’s kingdom with him just because he was leaving for work. His right to personal perception and opinion does not authorize him to insult people for practicing their religion, holding different opinion or for having an unpopular conviction just like Christ and the first century Christians had. People have different routine and circumstances hence the Witnesses call at homes, markets, streets and even work places in search of humble ones who are favorably disposed for everlasting life. While many may not be disposed to listen, the Witnesses have had fine experiences with others with whom they share the good news of God’s kingdom with interesting outcome. As a result of such efforts, last year, a total of 12,232,924 friends and neighbors joined the 8,686,117 Witnesses worldwide to observe the Lords evening meal in obedience to Jesus’ command at Luke 22:19. Ray also quoted Genesis 9:4 which sates: “You shall not eat flesh with its life, that its blood” and Acts 15:29 which states:”That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled” it may be necessary to add scriptures like Leviticus 17: 12 & 14 which states in part: “None of you should eat blood, and no foreigner who is residing in your midst should eat blood… For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: You must not eat the blood of every sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off. Jehovah’s Witnesses understand and appreciate God’s loving command to mean not taking in blood, through any means whatsoever. If Ray feels that a sacred substance like blood which God, the grand creator in his infinite wisdom has commanded that we should eat can be transfused without contravening God’s clear and unambiguous law, he certainly has the right to his opinion but that does change God’s law. I will liken this to a child whose father has prohibited from taking oral pills but he instead dissolves it in water and injects it intravenously. It is important to state that the baby of Mr & Mrs Emmanuel Onokpise in question had jaundice induced anemia, and as at the time of the forceful transfusion, the baby no longer has jaundice and was recuperating well. Beyond the religious convictions of Witnesses, more and more doctors and patients within and outside Nigeria opts for non-blood medical management because it is safer. Blood transfusion is especially unsafe in a country like Nigeria where we do not have proper screening facilities for blood. My research shows that most blood banks in Nigeria are filled with blood from commercial donors resulting in volume and less dead cells. It may interest you to know that modern medicine have gone beyond a hasty transfusion therapy to a robust and effective alternatives to blood transfusion. Witnesses in their quest to obey Jehovah’s clear directive not to eat blood have pushed the boundaries of research in non blood medical management. There are numerous experiences about successful bloodless surgeries and complex medical procedures within and outside Nigeria but let me share my personal experience here. In November 2018, I was diagnosed of high grade non hodgskin lymphoma (a very serious type of blood cancer) but I thank Jehovah, it was at stage one and confined to the spleen. A team of Hematologists at London Hematology who carried out the diagnoses recommended that I should have an open splenectomy, a surgery that will excise the diseased organ. They also said that although they do not usually use blood in procedures, but because spleen is a bloody organ as such transfusion is a must. The transfusion practitioner, clinical nurse specialists and Drs’ all said that being anemic as I was ( hemoglobin 10+) I stand no chance without a transfusion. After some research, the consultant hematologist Mr Karcsmarski was able to get the node a surgeon who agreed to carry out the surgery without blood transfusion, his name is Mr Satvinda Mudan. On the 10 December 2018, the surgery was successful carried out at London Clinic, Davonshere place, London, United Kingdom and I gradually recuperated to the amazement of the medical team and to the glory of Jehovah, the true source of life. At the anniversary of the surgery, I wrote to thank both the medical team at the London clinic and in response he said he wrote: Dear Uche, Thank you for your most kind email. I am so pleased to learn that you are doing so well. While I might have shown some dexterity as you say however, the real display of courage was surely from you. I can only say that you showed great fortitude and strength of character in the face of a difficult and threatening situation, not or your own making. Moreover, you impressed us all with your resolve and strength with which you hold your belief. May you continue to thrive and I look forward to hearing from the doctors about your progress. ---------- NB: Other aspects of Ray’s mis- representation of facts will be addressed in the coming days. |
Re: Lagos Saves Baby From Jehovah’s Witnesses Over Blood Transfusion by MOSICATED5(m): 4:34pm On Feb 07, 2020 |
Janosky:I'm so sure you are talking to yourself |
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