k2money:

Owawa cannot be honey badger, is a jackal dog family.

I actually don't know about the English name of Owawa, someone else made that claim.

What I do know for certain, instead, is that Owawa is none of Leopard, Cheetah, Jaguar, or Panthera, et al.

I know this because I once saw hunters kill Owawa, and it was no where close to any of the aforementioned animals --- Not by any stretch of the imagination.

TAO11:


I actually don't know about the English, name of Owawa, someone else made that claim.

What I do know for certain, instead, is that Owawa is none of Leopard, Cheetah, Jaguar, or Panthera, et al.

I know this because I once saw hunters kill Owawa, and it was no where close to any of the aforementioned animals --- Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Teach!

Owawa refers to a member of the Canidae or perhaps Hyaenidae species. i.e Hyena e.t.c

TAO11:


I actually don't know about the English, name of Owawa, someone else made that claim.

What I do know for certain, instead, is that Owawa is none of Leopard, Cheetah, Jaguar, or Panthera, et al.

I know this because I once saw hunters kill Owawa, and it was no where close to any of the aforementioned animals --- Not by any stretch of the imagination.

It barks like dogs in the night check YouTube of jackals and check for their sounds

k2money:

It barks like dogs in the night check YouTube of jackals and check for their sounds

Yes, I agree Owawa must be an animal that barks like a dog, even though I didn't see it alive.

Its head is exactly like a dog's.

It's clearly of the dog family.

k2money:

Am here to counter the word Muhammed was chasing idolatry out of Arabia for Odùduwà to come to Yorùbá land and Odùduwà was the one that brought Ifá to Yorùbá.
First the part of Muhammed was is a scope from Islam to belittle the Yorùbá religion and that of Ifá, is Orunmila that brought ifá to Yorùbá land.

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@k2money
You are absolutely right... autosomal and haplogroup DNA tests that
have been done on Yoruba people in the U.S. and UK via AncestryDNA
and 23andMe clearly shows that Yorubas have NO Arab or so-called
Hebrew DNA genetic markers. Yorubas who number over 45 million
in Nigeria alone and more in Benin and Togo have ancestral bloodlines as
well with the Benin/Togo region and some percentages from Ghana/Ivory
Coast. This is as a result of the fact that Yorubas share boundaries
with the Ewe of Togo/Ghana and also with the Fon and Aja. So you
have some genetic intermingling at the frontier areas of Yorubaland!


The Oyo Empire also extended to the Togo axis and I believe some
Yorubas actually have maternal origins from the military conquests
of centuries back from Benin and Togo region... including some Nupe
[not up to Niger State but the Kwara Nupe] and the Bariba/Batonu of the
Kwara axis that were also conquered and incorporated into the Oyo
Empire as vassals. You can check YouTube for several videos on Nigerians
and African-Americans/Afro-Caribbeans who have taken those autosomal
and haplogroup DNA tests. Below is a 2016 DNA test for Alex Boye
who is a British-Nigerian of Yoruba parentage, but now based in the
U.S. where he lives and is married to a white American woman.
In 2018, there was another major update to all the results and all Yorubas
where merged with the Benin/Togo Region.


DNA RESULTS! ALEX IS NOT 100% NIGERIAN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM[10:13]
Oct 31, 2016 - Uploaded by TheBoyeFamilyJewels




So the reference to Arabian/Mecca bogus migration/information by some
people is unfounded and this has been laid to rest with authentic
DNA tests. Yorubas are indigenous completely to West Africa
or are naturally 100% unicorns with the exception of recent marriages
with caucasians or Europeans and Lebanese/Iranians that I'am aware of...
NO MIXTURES whatsoever with Arabs, Berbers, Jews, etc, from several
centuries back!

Fulanis who number 20 million in the entire Africa have some North Africa
bloodlines of less than 20% from Morocco[Berber] with a little Iberian Peninsula[Spain]
based on the over 700 years of Berber/Arab invasion of Spain and Portugal
before the original land owners defeated the muslims and pushed them
out of Europe in 1492! The rest of the larger Fulani ancestry percentage is
indigenous to West Africa from the Senegal/Guinea/Mauretania area
which I think is mainly the maternal lineage from conquest of some
indigenous African ethnic groups like the Bambara, some Hausa, etc.
The Fulani DNA test video is below.



Ancestry DNA test for Fulani of West Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40rqwRp9gk[12:57]
Jul 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Mamzo Barry



Lastly, even the Ibos that have been falsely claiming Jewish origin
do NOT any Jewish DNA markers in their bloodline. They are pure
West Africans based on tests done on Ibos living in the U.S. and UK
via AncestryDNA and 23andMe. They have Nigeria, Benin/Togo,
Cameroon/Congo in varying percentages as well.


I hope you find this information useful!

All the best!


Cc:godspeed

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@k2money
You are absolutely right... autosomal and haplogroup DNA tests that
have been done on Yoruba people in the U.S. and UK via AncestryDNA
and 23andMe clearly shows that Yorubas have NO Arab or so-called
Hebrew DNA genetic markers. Yorubas who number over 45 million
in Nigeria alone and more in Benin and Togo have ancestral bloodlines as
well with the Benin/Togo region and some percentages from Ghana/Ivory
Coast. This is as a result of the fact that Yorubas share boundaries
with the Ewe of Togo/Ghana and also with the Fon and Aja. So you
have some genetic intermingling at the frontier areas of Yorubaland!


The Oyo Empire also extended to the Togo axis and I believe some
Yorubas actually have maternal origins from the military conquests
of centuries back from Benin and Togo region... including some Nupe
[not up to Niger State but the Kwara Nupe] and the Bariba/Batonu of the
Kwara axis that were also conquered and incorporated into the Oyo
Empire as vassals. You can check YouTube for several videos on Nigerians
and African-Americans/Afro-Caribbeans who have taken those autosomal
and haplogroup DNA tests. Below is a 2016 DNA test for Alex Boye
who is a British-Nigerian of Yoruba parentage, but now based in the
U.S. where he lives and is married to a white American woman.
In 2018, there was another major update to all the results and all Yorubas
where merged with the Benin/Togo Region.


DNA RESULTS! ALEX IS NOT 100% NIGERIAN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM[10:13]
Oct 31, 2016 - Uploaded by TheBoyeFamilyJewels




So the reference to Arabian/Mecca bogus migration/information by some
people is unfounded and this has been laid to rest with authentic
DNA tests. Yorubas are indigenous completely to West Africa
or are naturally 100% unicorns with the exception of recent marriages
with caucasians or Europeans and Lebanese/Iranians that I'am aware of...
NO MIXTURES whatsoever with Arabs, Berbers, Jews, etc, from several
centuries back!

Fulanis who number 20 million in the entire Africa have some North Africa
bloodlines of less than 20% from Morocco[Berber] with a little Iberian Peninsula[Spain]
based on the over 700 years of Berber/Arab invasion of Spain and Portugal
before the original land owners defeated the muslims and pushed them
out of Europe in 1492! The rest of the larger Fulani ancestry percentage is
indigenous to West Africa from the Senegal/Guinea/Mauretania area
which I think is mainly the maternal lineage from conquest of some
indigenous African ethnic groups like the Bambara, some Hausa, etc.
The Fulani DNA test video is below.



Ancestry DNA test for Fulani of West Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40rqwRp9gk[12:57]
Jul 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Mamzo Barry



Lastly, even the Ibos that have been falsely claiming Jewish origin
do NOT any Jewish DNA markers in their bloodline. They are pure
West Africans based on tests done on Ibos living in the U.S. and UK
via AncestryDNA and 23andMe. They have Nigeria, Benin/Togo,
Cameroon/Congo in varying percentages as well.


I hope you find this information useful!

All the best!


Cc:godspeed

Very accurate and very useful.

Welldone!

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@k2money
You are absolutely right... autosomal and haplogroup DNA tests that
have been done on Yoruba people in the U.S. and UK via AncestryDNA
and 23andMe clearly shows that Yorubas have NO Arab or so-called
Hebrew DNA genetic markers. Yorubas who number over 45 million
in Nigeria alone and more in Benin and Togo have ancestral bloodlines as
well with the Benin/Togo region and some percentages from Ghana/Ivory
Coast. This is as a result of the fact that Yorubas share boundaries
with the Ewe of Togo/Ghana and also with the Fon and Aja. So you
have some genetic intermingling at the frontier areas of Yorubaland!


The Oyo Empire also extended to the Togo axis and I believe some
Yorubas actually have maternal origins from the military conquests
of centuries back from Benin and Togo region... including some Nupe
[not up to Niger State but the Kwara Nupe] and the Bariba/Batonu of the
Kwara axis that were also conquered and incorporated into the Oyo
Empire as vassals. You can check YouTube for several videos on Nigerians
and African-Americans/Afro-Caribbeans who have taken those autosomal
and haplogroup DNA tests. Below is a 2016 DNA test for Alex Boye
who is a British-Nigerian of Yoruba parentage, but now based in the
U.S. where he lives and is married to a white American woman.
In 2018, there was another major update to all the results and all Yorubas
where merged with the Benin/Togo Region.


DNA RESULTS! ALEX IS NOT 100% NIGERIAN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM[10:13]
Oct 31, 2016 - Uploaded by TheBoyeFamilyJewels




So the reference to Arabian/Mecca bogus migration/information by some
people is unfounded and this has been laid to rest with authentic
DNA tests. Yorubas are indigenous completely to West Africa
or are naturally 100% unicorns with the exception of recent marriages
with caucasians or Europeans and Lebanese/Iranians that I'am aware of...
NO MIXTURES whatsoever with Arabs, Berbers, Jews, etc, from several
centuries back!

Fulanis who number 20 million in the entire Africa have some North Africa
bloodlines of less than 20% from Morocco[Berber] with a little Iberian Peninsula[Spain]
based on the over 700 years of Berber/Arab invasion of Spain and Portugal
before the original land owners defeated the muslims and pushed them
out of Europe in 1492! The rest of the larger Fulani ancestry percentage is
indigenous to West Africa from the Senegal/Guinea/Mauretania area
which I think is mainly the maternal lineage from conquest of some
indigenous African ethnic groups like the Bambara, some Hausa, etc.
The Fulani DNA test video is below.



Ancestry DNA test for Fulani of West Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40rqwRp9gk[12:57]
Jul 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Mamzo Barry



Lastly, even the Ibos that have been falsely claiming Jewish origin
do NOT any Jewish DNA markers in their bloodline. They are pure
West Africans based on tests done on Ibos living in the U.S. and UK
via AncestryDNA and 23andMe. They have Nigeria, Benin/Togo,
Cameroon/Congo in varying percentages as well.


I hope you find this information useful!

All the best!


Cc:godspeed

Wonderful!!!

Yoruba are 100% West African, cultural, historical, archaeological, genetic, linguistic evidence all support this

macof:


Wonderful!!!

Yoruba are 100% West African, cultural, historical, archaeological, genetic, linguistic evidence all support this

Thanks for the info

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@k2money
You are absolutely right... autosomal and haplogroup DNA tests that
have been done on Yoruba people in the U.S. and UK via AncestryDNA
and 23andMe clearly shows that Yorubas have NO Arab or so-called
Hebrew DNA genetic markers. Yorubas who number over 45 million
in Nigeria alone and more in Benin and Togo have ancestral bloodlines as
well with the Benin/Togo region and some percentages from Ghana/Ivory
Coast. This is as a result of the fact that Yorubas share boundaries
with the Ewe of Togo/Ghana and also with the Fon and Aja. So you
have some genetic intermingling at the frontier areas of Yorubaland!


The Oyo Empire also extended to the Togo axis and I believe some
Yorubas actually have maternal origins from the military conquests
of centuries back from Benin and Togo region... including some Nupe
[not up to Niger State but the Kwara Nupe] and the Bariba/Batonu of the
Kwara axis that were also conquered and incorporated into the Oyo
Empire as vassals. You can check YouTube for several videos on Nigerians
and African-Americans/Afro-Caribbeans who have taken those autosomal
and haplogroup DNA tests. Below is a 2016 DNA test for Alex Boye
who is a British-Nigerian of Yoruba parentage, but now based in the
U.S. where he lives and is married to a white American woman.
In 2018, there was another major update to all the results and all Yorubas
where merged with the Benin/Togo Region.


DNA RESULTS! ALEX IS NOT 100% NIGERIAN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM[10:13]
Oct 31, 2016 - Uploaded by TheBoyeFamilyJewels




So the reference to Arabian/Mecca bogus migration/information by some
people is unfounded and this has been laid to rest with authentic
DNA tests. Yorubas are indigenous completely to West Africa
or are naturally 100% unicorns with the exception of recent marriages
with caucasians or Europeans and Lebanese/Iranians that I'am aware of...
NO MIXTURES whatsoever with Arabs, Berbers, Jews, etc, from several
centuries back!

Fulanis who number 20 million in the entire Africa have some North Africa
bloodlines of less than 20% from Morocco[Berber] with a little Iberian Peninsula[Spain]
based on the over 700 years of Berber/Arab invasion of Spain and Portugal
before the original land owners defeated the muslims and pushed them
out of Europe in 1492! The rest of the larger Fulani ancestry percentage is
indigenous to West Africa from the Senegal/Guinea/Mauretania area
which I think is mainly the maternal lineage from conquest of some
indigenous African ethnic groups like the Bambara, some Hausa, etc.
The Fulani DNA test video is below.



Ancestry DNA test for Fulani of West Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40rqwRp9gk[12:57]
Jul 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Mamzo Barry



Lastly, even the Ibos that have been falsely claiming Jewish origin
do NOT any Jewish DNA markers in their bloodline. They are pure
West Africans based on tests done on Ibos living in the U.S. and UK
via AncestryDNA and 23andMe. They have Nigeria, Benin/Togo,
Cameroon/Congo in varying percentages as well.


I hope you find this information useful!

All the best!


Cc:godspeed

Thanks for the info

macof:


Mr. Man people who know about Yoruba zoology more than you have stated the correct words for this on several platforms. And I gave you points to consider, Yoruba traditions are clear when talking about Ẹkùn... Its a spotted animal not stripped animal

Your 7 year old nephew can teach you whatever that's your business but leopards are not slouches and survive lion attacks. Lion and leopard confrontation is rare on its own, but even virtually unseen is a single lion killing a leopard
And again why are you just talking about fight? Is that all there is to an animal? Who fights better?

While your entire knowledge and impression of these animals is based on Nat Geo Wild you fail to realise that Yoruba are all too familiar with Ẹkùn
Yoruba are not familiar with Tiger

My brother the guy is telling you the truth, leopard cannot survive one lion bite.
Leopard does not even stand a chance against hyena. The carnivorous animal that can stand and defeat loins are bears and tiger

k2money:

Jackal

What is Yoruba name for Civet? I think civet should be Ijakumo.

k2money:

It barks like dogs in the night check YouTube of jackals and check for their sounds

You're right. It barks like dog in the night. We use the barking to track the location and go for it in the afternoon. My father killed a number of them like that.

supereagle:

What is Yoruba name for Civet? I think civet should be Ijakumo.

Jackal is the same thing as Ijakumo. That Ọwáwa is similar to jackals too but I know it normally move in the night and jackals do move anytime.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@k2money
You are absolutely right... autosomal and haplogroup DNA tests that
have been done on Yoruba people in the U.S. and UK via AncestryDNA
and 23andMe clearly shows that Yorubas have NO Arab or so-called
Hebrew DNA genetic markers. Yorubas who number over 45 million
in Nigeria alone and more in Benin and Togo have ancestral bloodlines as
well with the Benin/Togo region and some percentages from Ghana/Ivory
Coast. This is as a result of the fact that Yorubas share boundaries
with the Ewe of Togo/Ghana and also with the Fon and Aja. So you
have some genetic intermingling at the frontier areas of Yorubaland!


The Oyo Empire also extended to the Togo axis and I believe some
Yorubas actually have maternal origins from the military conquests
of centuries back from Benin and Togo region... including some Nupe
[not up to Niger State but the Kwara Nupe] and the Bariba/Batonu of the
Kwara axis that were also conquered and incorporated into the Oyo
Empire as vassals. You can check YouTube for several videos on Nigerians
and African-Americans/Afro-Caribbeans who have taken those autosomal
and haplogroup DNA tests. Below is a 2016 DNA test for Alex Boye
who is a British-Nigerian of Yoruba parentage, but now based in the
U.S. where he lives and is married to a white American woman.
In 2018, there was another major update to all the results and all Yorubas
where merged with the Benin/Togo Region.


DNA RESULTS! ALEX IS NOT 100% NIGERIAN!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM[10:13]
Oct 31, 2016 - Uploaded by TheBoyeFamilyJewels




So the reference to Arabian/Mecca bogus migration/information by some
people is unfounded and this has been laid to rest with authentic
DNA tests. Yorubas are indigenous completely to West Africa
or are naturally 100% unicorns with the exception of recent marriages
with caucasians or Europeans and Lebanese/Iranians that I'am aware of...
NO MIXTURES whatsoever with Arabs, Berbers, Jews, etc, from several
centuries back!

Fulanis who number 20 million in the entire Africa have some North Africa
bloodlines of less than 20% from Morocco[Berber] with a little Iberian Peninsula[Spain]
based on the over 700 years of Berber/Arab invasion of Spain and Portugal
before the original land owners defeated the muslims and pushed them
out of Europe in 1492! The rest of the larger Fulani ancestry percentage is
indigenous to West Africa from the Senegal/Guinea/Mauretania area
which I think is mainly the maternal lineage from conquest of some
indigenous African ethnic groups like the Bambara, some Hausa, etc.
The Fulani DNA test video is below.



Ancestry DNA test for Fulani of West Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U40rqwRp9gk[12:57]
Jul 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Mamzo Barry



Lastly, even the Ibos that have been falsely claiming Jewish origin
do NOT any Jewish DNA markers in their bloodline. They are pure
West Africans based on tests done on Ibos living in the U.S. and UK
via AncestryDNA and 23andMe. They have Nigeria, Benin/Togo,
Cameroon/Congo in varying percentages as well.


I hope you find this information useful!

All the best!


Cc:godspeed

Teach!

Although, in some of the attempts to associate with fiction, we've instead been presented with anthropology: an uninterrupted connection between the West and Northern East of the continent; moving in both directions. i.e The Queen of Sheba - The Returning Queen, denoting a to and fro connection.


Furthermore, If Egyptsic is in Africa, which it is.

If Ancient Egytians are African, which they are.

If Kushsic are Nubian, and that Kushsic and Ancient Egyptian are one and the same, then that means that Nigerians are amongst the West Africans that found Ancient Egypt.

amotekun..

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nlPoster:
The OP is correct.

The only exception would be if Yorubas had actually encountered tigers and thus described them in the language.

Amotekun could also be panther (dictionary meaning).

Panter is also leopard sir

aywhy93:


Lol... I'll give you the project topic I did back then in school (in Yoruba) and you wont be able to read the title, let alone comprehend the content. I wont waste my knowledge on you. Come to Institute of African Studies in UI and learn Yoruba. Back to the topic, does it come to your thinking that whatever caused the movements of Yoruba, it doesn't change the fact that they've roamed enough places to have seen a tiger which you claimed they never saw to give it that name, Ekun..?

Guy keep quiet you don't have an idea of the wild animals localized in our forests. You might as well say yorubas have a word for the kangaroo because it's found in osogbo.

Tigers aren't found in Africa!
Stop arguing foolishly.

xaggar:


Guy keep quiet you don't have an idea of the wild animals localized in our forests. You might as well say yorubas have a word for the kangaroo because it's found in osogbo.

Tigers aren't found in Africa!
Stop arguing foolishly.

You're the fool here. You lack reasoning, that's why you can't argue constructively without being abusive. The Roos are only found in Australia and none of their families has ever been found in any other continent at any point in time while tigers are diverse and have been found in different continents overtime. The highest research you could do is drop a screenshot to a 1sec google search..? Idiot!

aywhy93:


You're the fool here. You lack reasoning, that's why you can't argue constructively without being abusive. The Roos are only found in Australia and none of their families has ever been found in any other continent at any point in time while tigers are diverse and have been found in different continents overtime. The highest research you could do is drop a screenshot to a 1sec google search..? Idiot!

Why don't you do your Google search or reference and show us were it's said that tigers are indigenous to Africa.

How many african king or title holder have you seen adorned with the hide of a tiger?

Compare with the hide of the leopard or lion.

How many sculpted images of a tiger have you seen in town centres, Royal palace gates and how many African paintings depicts Tigers compared to lions and leopards?

Dey form argumentator!

Last Mugu.

If it were possible to introduce tigers to Nigeria I'm sure it would be done.

However, their mode of camouflage is adapted to the Asian continent, I don't know if it would work as easily in west Africa specifically.


https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/we-now-know-why-tigers-bright-orange-color-is-actually-excellent-camouflage/

nlPoster:
If it were possible to introduce tigers to Nigeria I'm sure it would be done.

However, their mode of camouflage is adapted to the Asian continent, I don't know if it would work as easily in west Africa specifically.


https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/we-now-know-why-tigers-bright-orange-color-is-actually-excellent-camouflage/

It has been attempted to introduce tigers to the wild in Africa... They didn't survive
https://www.thegreatprojects.com/blog/why-are-there-no-tigers-in-africa

They probably would have been in Africa before now if it were conducive with their natural habitat.

However, doesnt mean it would be impossible to raise them there?

I wonder if the elephants of both continents could live in each other's countries also.

It's weird how Indian elephants have a closer facial resemblance to mammoths than African ones.

xaggar:


Why don't you do your Google search or reference and show us were it's said that tigers are indigenous to Africa.

How many african king or title holder have you seen adorned with the hide of a tiger?

Compare with the hide of the leopard or lion.

How many sculpted images of a tiger have you seen in town centres, Royal palace gates and how many African paintings depicts Tigers compared to lions and leopards?

Dey form argumentator!

Last Mugu.

It shows how shallow your reasoning is. I'm sure you didn't read all my contributions in this thread, cuz if you do, you won't be mentioning me with weak facts that weighs nothing but dust on a scale.

Constructive arguments requires a lot of sense in various angles. The Tiger doesn't necessarily have to be indigenous to Africa before it could be given a Yoruba name. Have you ever had a snowfall in your village before..? Then why did the Yorubas (including the elders in your village) have a perfect yoruba name for snow..? Make sure you know the difference between snow and hail in Yoruba before you reply.

It is wrong to assume Yorubas in Nigeria had a name for snow. Can people just argue with sense please.

You can say some Yoruba perhaps configured what to call snow in the native language after encountering it overseas.

Africans do not name things they have no use for and which they do not encounter in their native environments. The lifestyle does not allow for frivolity in that manner because the level of poverty is high.

Shouldn't this be obvious? Later some of you would accuse others of acting unblack. Yet you are busy arguing over snow which is not found in Nigeria.

You should have quoted me since you were responding to my comment instead of falling over yourself...

Really? You mean the Yorubas don't have a name for snow.? It wouldn't harm you to just admit you don't know the Yorubas have a name for snow instead of jumping into dumb conclusions. It's very foolish to assume people can never have a name for what they don't live with and at the same time, it's stupid to conclude blindly that people have never encountered something, especially things that dates back to few centuries, anything could have happened.

It's very funny how youths graduate from university and the little knowledge they acquired starts making them lose their senses. It has been known since ages that a tiger is Ekun and a Leopard is Amotekun in Yoruba, with different proverbs and many other reasons explained over the pages. And you just wake up with one stupid ideology hence concluding Yoruba never named a Tiger.

Ajayi crowther was the major translator of the Bible from English to Yoruba and Leopards in the Bible were translated to Amotekun (as seen in various bible verses such as Hosea 13:7 that mentioned a leopard), this eliminates the idea of a Leopard being Ekun. Now from the various yoruba proverbs that compares a Lions strength with that of Ekun. Does it make sense to call a Leopard Ekun..? Since the leopard always avoid an encounter with a Lion at all cost. Or you mean Ajayi Crowther and other translators who knew and understood Yoruba very well were so dumb to put just any rubbish into their work.?

aywhy93:


It shows how shallow your reasoning is. I'm sure you didn't read all my contributions in this thread, cuz if you do, you won't be mentioning me with weak facts that weighs nothing but dust on a scale.

Constructive arguments requires a lot of sense in various angles. The Tiger doesn't necessarily have to be indigenous to Africa before it could be given a Yoruba name. Have you ever had a snowfall in your village before..? Then why did the Yorubas (including the elders in your village) have a perfect yoruba name for snow..? Make sure you know the difference between snow and hail in Yoruba before you reply.

What Yoruba call yìnyín is actually ice.
This word might also have evolved to refer to snow but there's no real Yoruba word for snow

Even growing up, I used to hear something like "o má n jò yìnyín ni Jos"
People would often translate this thought as snowing but it was Infact hailstones (òjò yìnyín). The confusion is understandable

This is different from Tiger and Leopard issue here where people are trying to take away the word Ẹkùn from the leopard and give it to an animal that should not be mistaken for a leopard.

aywhy93:


It shows how shallow your reasoning is. I'm sure you didn't read all my contributions in this thread, cuz if you do, you won't be mentioning me with weak facts that weighs nothing but dust on a scale.

Constructive arguments requires a lot of sense in various angles. The Tiger doesn't necessarily have to be indigenous to Africa before it could be given a Yoruba name. Have you ever had a snowfall in your village before..? Then why did the Yorubas (including the elders in your village) have a perfect yoruba name for snow..? Make sure you know the difference between snow and hail in Yoruba before you reply.

The argument here is; the same word meant for a leopard or cheetah is what is being referred to as a tiger. Which is wrong!

It's like saying the Yoruba word for snow doesn't mean snow but actually hail.

If there was a yourba name for tiger other than what is being given to a leopard or cheetah; no problem!. But a tiger isn't Amotekun.

And beside, your great grandparents who lived at about 300 years ago wouldn't understand what u mean by snow even with Yoruba wording.

Venerable612:


This is wrong.

First off the name Amotekun has nothing to do physical semblance as such.

It literally translates - “one who knows as Ekun”.

Again, you are wrong that Yoruba doesn’t have a transalation for Tiger - because our fathers didn’t have an encounter with them.

In fact Tiger has two Yoruba names. It could be called OGIDAN or EKUN. That’s why they say this provide - “Ogidan o ni se Barber, ki aja de be lo ge irun”.

And “KAKA KI KINIUN SAKAPO EKUN, OLODE A MAA RODE.“ Mind you Lion in Yoruba is Kiniun. And no one will ever compare a Lion with a Leopard. No animal can stand the Lion grit for grit amongst the Cat Family other than the Tiger; hence, the comparison.

Also, when Yorubas jokingly refer to someone as Ekun - it’s to represent that the person is a Strong man.

Thus,

Lion - Kiniun
Tiger - Ogidan and Ekun
Leopard - Amotekun
Cheetah - Owawa.

Hope this helps.

Actually your wrong bro.
Leopard= ekun or Ogidan
Cheetah= Amotekun or Owawa
Lion= kinniun
Tiger= no traditional Yoruba name cause it’s not native to Africa.

Here’s a little incite I made pointing out the differences between Amotekun and Ekùn.

Amidst the politically charged arguments surrounding Operation Àmò̩té̩kùn, linguists and culture enthusiasts are also weighing in on suppositions surrounding the English translation of àmò̩té̩kùn.

What does the word àmò̩té̩kùn mean?

Linguists have long taken issue with ascribing the name àmò̩té̩kùn interchangeably with the leopard, cheetah and tiger. To disentangle this twist, linguists have carefully investigated the matter from the Yorùbá cultural perspective regarding names and translations.

This Yorùbá proverb lends some insight: “Asárépani bíi àmò̩té̩kùn,” which roughly translates in English as “To kill as fast as an àmò̩té̩kùn,” comparing a person or thing to a fast animal. Well, then, it must be a cheetah, right?

The cheetah is the fastest land animal — even Usain Bolt could not outrun it. The word àmò̩té̩kùn comes from the phrase “ohun tí a mò tó tó e̩kùn,” which loosely translates to “what we know that has attributes of an e̩kùn.”

By these claims, one could conclude àmò̩té̩kùn means cheetah. Nevertheless, some call the cheetah òwàwà — not àmò̩té̩kùn.

But what does e̩kùn actually mean? Is it a cheetah, leopard or tiger?

Some believe e̩kùn is the leopard, native to sub-Saharan Africa, which has a long-standing relationship with Yorùbá people. The proverb “fere bí e̩kùn” which means “as swift as an e̩kùn” speaks to this relationship. A cheetah is faster than a leopard. But is a leopard indeed swifter than a tiger?

Some believe that ekùn refers to a tiger — an animal that actually hails from Asia.

This relationship between e̩kùn and tiger may have emerged from three possibilities: 1. colonization, 2. Western education, or 3. Early Africans’ encounters with the tiger, when British may have imported them to Nigeria during the colonial era.

It is possible that British colonizers may have assigned the meaning of e̩kùn to the tiger because the tiger was more familiar to them as a “fast animal.” There is no way, however, that e̩kùn originally meant “tiger” as this animal is not indigenous to Nigeria.

Some say that the word tiger is ògìdán, but this is most likely an oríkì (“praise name”) derived from the song:

Ògìdán ò ní se barber k’ájá dé’bè lo ge’run, ìpòrí ajá ò gbódò b’é̩kùnní bùbá.
Ògìdán will not become a barber, the dogs will not go there to cut their hair — no dog dare enter the territory of the e̩kùn.
This proverb, a mix of English and Yorùbá words, uses the English word “barber,” meaning that the song was likely composed during or after British colonial rule. Perhaps, that is when the idea arose that e̩kùn and ogìdán both mean “tiger.”

Another Yorùbá saying goes: “Ògìdán olólà ‘jù, akomonílà láì l’óbe” or “Ògìdán, a prominent forest animal, gives marks to it cubs without using a knife,” — referring to its sharp claws. This proverb affirms that Yorùbá people are most conversant with the leopard — the animal in their immediate environment and therefore, ogidan also means leopard, not a tiger or cheetah.

If leopard is e̩kùn, we can safely agree that cheetah is àmò̩té̩kùn.

Both have similar skins, compared with the tiger. The leopard has circular dotted spots; the cheetah also has dotted spots whereas the tiger has stripes. The face of the leopard and cheetah also bear some resemblance.

macof:


What Yoruba call yìnyín is actually ice.
This word might also have evolved to refer to snow but there's no real Yoruba word for snow

Even growing up, I used to hear something like "o má n jò yìnyín ni Jos"
People would often translate this thought as snowing but it was Infact hailstones (òjò yìnyín). The confusion is understandable

This is different from Tiger and Leopard issue here where people are trying to take away the word Ẹkùn from the leopard and give it to an animal that should not be mistaken for a leopard.

Exactly bro.
That name belongs and is referred to the leopard Not to an animal not native to our continent.

sammyfrosh:

Actually your wrong bro.
Leopard= ekun or Ogidan
Cheetah= Amotekun or Owawa
Lion= kinniun
Tiger= no traditional Yoruba name cause it’s not native to Africa.

I have taken the liberty of copying the below. Please read to educate yourself.
Thanks

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-51266490

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sunnewsonline.com/amotekun-leopard-comes-to-nigeria/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecable.ng/amotekun-leopard-on-the-spot/amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/tribuneonlineng.com/how-yorubas-leopard-got-its-claws/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/wuzupnigeria.com/operation-amotekun-for-those-who-dont-know-amotekun-means-leopard/amp/