beaf and his dubious headlines ' saraki leaves pdp in frustration my arse. everybody is abandoning the sinking ship , and beaf is blathering about frustration

9ijaMan:

Keep dreaming. I just could not help but laugh at your outright folly. This your political jobbing business is sure not good for you at all. You should become a jester or a comedian!

Beaf can be quite funny sometimes, standup comedy is not a bad suggestion though
But seriously the recent developments could spell doom for GEJ. If these guys have refused to adhere to their "consensus" northern rep, you can expect that more interest groups would eventually leave PDP and seek to gather a vehement resistance. Remember, those of a man's household could become his greatest enemy. This is especially when they are so familiar with the variety of padlocks used to secure[b] front and back doors.[/b]

Tippy Top:

Those against GEJ are more vocal, most Nairaland opinion polls always tip GEJ ahead of current contestants.
You also forgot to check who started this thread, should Beaf start a thread and leave it?

You de mind am?

pro01:

The old Fox is at it again, who can stop him in his tracks? But for real I think Bukola is a deluded, overambitious bumpkin if he feels he can force his legendary/oracular father into retirement and thereafter assume the revered role of Godfather - by installing ex sports minister Bio as governor. What an ungrateful fool. Anyways, he SHALL be given a bloody nose (fair and square) as ALL of his predecessors were.

It would be very interesting if Oloye Saraki joins the ACN (as opposed to the obsolescent ANPP). As sure as death that would mean yet another state in the kitty for ACN (and its first in the North); effectively strengthening it to wage battle with the Hydra-Headed monster called PDP. Furthermore, Saraki's entry would boost the possibility (albeit remote) of the ACN's presidential candidate clinching the presidency in the forthcoming elections.

In any case Oloye's candidate (Gbemisola Saraki) would win the governorship election under any party's ticket - even if it is 'Pastor' Chris Okotie's Fresh Party. Interesting times lie ahead.

Intelligent analysis, it would be a masterstroke if Saraki joins ACN, but I believe he and IBB are destined for ANPP.

Two things here thus : 1. It is good to educate your kids, we can see Bukola is his own man and makes his own decision not following his father's every beckon like mu-mu.

2. It would appear that Saraki Jnr- Bukola is an ingrate, after enjoying a gift giving to him on a platter of Gold he has turned against the hand that made a man out of a boy. Bukola was an errand boy prior to been the Governor, OBJ would not even give him any serious post, making him a lowly special Assistant.


The third point is, if Saraki senior wants to continue in his accustomed way and style ACN is the party to associate with. Kwara State is naturally an ACN State(forget all these rigging), even if the candidate is a goat, that Goat would win, now combine an ACN Goat with Saraki's influence need I say more.

But there is a catch thus, can Tinubu and Olushola Saraki wear the same Trousers. The answer is CAPITAL -NO hence the ANPP option, which throws everything open for every single party.

KnowAll:

Two things here thus : 1. It is good to educate your kids, we can see Bukola is his own man and makes his own decision not following his father's every beckon like mu-mu.

2. It would appear that Saraki Jnr- Bukola is an ingrate, after enjoying a gift giving to him on a platter of Gold he has turned against the hand that made a man out of a boy. Bukola was an errand boy prior to been the Governor, OBJ would not even give him any serious post, making him a lowly special Assistant.


The third point is, if Saraki senior wants to continue in his accustomed way and style ACN is the party to associate with. Kwara State is naturally an ACN State(forget all these rigging), even if the candidate is a goat, that Goat would win, now combine an ACN Goat with Saraki's influence need I say more.

But there is a catch thus, can Tinubu and Olushola Saraki wear the same Trousers? The answer is CAPITAL -NO hence the ANPP option, which throws everything open for every single party.

I was thinking the same thing. But if Oloye Saraki were to join the ACN, the good thing for Tinubu and his expansionist agenda is that Saraki is an exceedingly home-focused leader. Only Kwara politics is of interest to him - no 'ojukokoro' to involve himself in other states' affairs. He would have no interest in challenging Tinubu as regards the affairs in the other ACN controlled states; Tinubu would only have to surrender the Kwara chapter of ACN and the government completely to Saraki, and that means he would not impose his Hitech Construction, Alpha Beta Consulting and his other revenue generation vehicles on Kwara state as he has done in Lagos and the other ACN states, or seek to nominate commissioners and whatnot. I think they would be able to work together unless Tinubu's greed and megalomania gets the better of him.

^--- Hitech:
http://www.hitechconstructioncompany.com/about.html

Seems to be owned by the Chagoury group. Sounds like an Arab name to me, probably Lebanese?

I don't see how Hitech is connected to Tinubu. Or does someone have evidence otherwise?

Anyway, I don't want the ACN to cede control of Kwara politics to a single family like the Sarakis. The Sarakis are not democrats but instead are feudalists. It might be necessary in the short term to ally with them, but in the long term they must be removed from political relevance if Kwara is to be a successful state. At least, imo.

eku_bear:

^--- Hitech:
http://www.hitechconstructioncompany.com/about.html

Seems to be owned by the Chagoury group. Sounds like an Arab name to me, probably Lebanese?

I don't see how Hitech is connected to Tinubu. Or does someone have evidence otherwise?

Anyway, I don't want the ACN to cede control of Kwara politics to a single family like the Sarakis. The Sarakis are not democrats but instead are feudalists. It might be necessary in the short term to ally with them, but in the long term they must be removed from political relevance if Kwara is to be a successful state. At least, imo.

Lol. We wouldn't expect Tinubu or any present or ex public official to openly declare the companies they own or promote, would we? We all know what 'fronts' are, and our politicians and policical class use these fronts (local and foreign) to full effect. The Chagoury family are especially legendary in this regard, and have put their money-magic skills to 'good' use for many Nigerians in the ruling class. . .since the Abacha days.

But that's a topic for another day, lets not derail the present thread.

pro01:

Lol. We wouldn't expect Tinubu or any present or ex public official to openly declare the companies they own or promote, would we? We all know what 'fronts' are, and our politicians and policical class use these fronts (local and foreign) to full effect. The Chagoury family are especially legendary in this regard, and have put their money-magic skills to 'good' use for many Nigerians in the ruling class. . .since the Abacha days.

But that's a topic for another day, lets not derail the present thread.

Your argument falls apart right there.
the Chagoury family are known to be fronts for the Abacha family, not for Tinubu

Tinubu owns ABC, very well known. But to claim that the Chagoury group work for him is just laughable.

This is interesting

@beaf, pls lets leave d war part out cos the truth be told, ND cant withstand any major tribe in nigeria let alone FGN in a full war.
Back to the issue,if he runs 4presidency unda anoda party,that means he has violated the concensus agreement.does that make it null and void?

flexshop:

@beaf, pls lets leave d war part out cos the truth be told, ND cant withstand any major tribe in nigeria let alone FGN in a full war.
Back to the issue,if he runs 4presidency unda anoda party,that means he has violated the concensus agreement.does that make it null and void?

That is the same thing the Arabs thought about Israel, but you can ask about the 7 day war.

i think it time for him to retire and move on with life

Beaf:

That is the same thing the Arabs thought about Israel, but you can ask about the 7 day war.

Why do Nigerian groups always want to compare themselves with badasses like Israel? First it was the Biafrans, now it is Beaf.

Yes, other Nigerian groups are like the hapless Arabs, and you are like plucky Israel  I'm quaking in my socks!

Beaf:

That is the same thing the Arabs thought about Israel, but you can ask about the 7 day war.

POC: It was a 6 day war


That said, the SS has not, till today, produced a single smart person well known in Nigeria. How can a bunch of below average Nigerians effectively fight a war with little or no equipment, not to talk about the dearth of human and military power evident in the SS

fstrangest:

That said, the SS has not, till today, produced a single smart person well known in Nigeria. How can a bunch of below average Nigerians

This I don't agree with. I don't think that there is that much intrinsic variation intelligence-wise between different Nigerian groups.

effectively fight a war with little or no equipment, not to talk about the dearth of human and military power evident in the SS

Well, they have pretty good equipment, RPGs, anti-aircraft, a primitive navy.

My own point is that it isn't as if other groups are stockpiling weapons seriously or preparing for warfare. So any headstart the ND has could be negated quite rapidly.

fstrangest:

POC: It was a 6 day war

That said, the SS has not, till today, produced a single smart person well known in Nigeria. How can a bunch of below average Nigerians effectively fight a war with little or no equipment, not to talk about the dearth of human and military power evident in the SS

Go check the list of Nigeria's living legends, of the 20, 4 are from the old Bendel. There are a dozens of others from Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa etc, but a tribalist fool like you wouldn't know that.
Just imagine that, no matter where you come from, the SS generates the money you live on. So do a lil thinking, how can anybody fight us and win?

Beaf:

Go check the list of Nigeria's living legends, of the 20, 4 are from the old Bendel. There are a dozens of others from Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa etc, but a tribalist fool like you wouldn't know that.
Just imagine that, no matter where you come from, the SS generates the money you live on. So do a lil thinking, how can anybody fight us and win?

and is bendel south-south

eku_bear:

This I don't agree with. I don't think that there is that much intrinsic variation intelligence-wise between different Nigerian groups.
Well, they have pretty good equipment, RPGs, anti-aircraft, a primitive navy.

My own point is that it isn't as if other groups are stockpiling weapons seriously or preparing for warfare. So any headstart the ND has could be negated quite rapidly.

eku-dapobear what happened to dapobear log-in

Alh Harem, please ask him who put together the list of "Living Legends". He will not admit to you that it was done by his uncle and his handlers.

Beaf:

Go check the list of Nigeria's living legends, of the 20, 4 are from the old Bendel. There are a dozens of others from Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa etc, but a tribalist fool like you wouldn't know that.
Just imagine that, no matter where you come from, the SS generates the money you live on. So do a lil thinking, how can anybody fight us and win?

You do know that crude oil is highly flammable, right?

One bomb and y'all are toast!

Nigeria living legend eh? You not gonna fight a war with a brain like that of Enahoro ( The most illustrious individual to ever come out of that creek)? would you?  All we need do is pay Biafrans additional 20 pounds, and they will take care of your rebellious arse.

You do know what happened between Iraq and Kuwait in the 1990s right?

ndu_chucks:

Alh Harem, please ask him who put together the list of "Living Legends". He will not admit to you that it was done by his uncle and his handlers.

i know beaf is one character that just says rubbish out his mouth

he is never open minded nor speak the truth,,,, all he does is jonathan ss that's all

Beaf:

Go check the list of Nigeria's living legends, of the 20, 4 are from the old Bendel. There are a dozens of others from Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa etc, but a tribalist fool like you wouldn't know that.
Just imagine that, no matter where you come from, the SS generates the money you live on. So do a lil thinking, how can anybody fight us and win?

beaf i hope you know edo (enahoro) is different from you south-south people

just to clarify that

How is Saraki, a northerner, with an Ondo State Mother, and Ilorin [Kwara State] of yoruba Origin named father? The Sarakis must be playing with the minds of the Nigerians who have not challenged them about this dubious claim.

The Kwara people need to dump them. So do the Yorubas. So do the Northerners.

I cant stand hypocrites; the Sarakis at least in politics are.

eku_bear:

This I don't agree with. I don't think that there is that much intrinsic variation intelligence-wise between different Nigerian groups.
Well, they have pretty good equipment, RPGs, anti-aircraft, a primitive navy.

My own point is that it isn't as if other groups are stockpiling weapons seriously or preparing for warfare. So any headstart the ND has could be negated quite rapidly.

Where exactly will others get the money to negate the SS? Especially if oil piplines are finished off, while the supply is diverted?
The SS can spend billions at short notice, and it can do that everyday. The first week or so would be the most painful for the SS if war breaks out, but after that, it would be a crushing defeat for anyone with a relatively primitive army that foolishly attacks us. If you follow the news carefully, you will also find that militants in the SS are quite conversant and comfortable with high tech warfare, regularly employing GPS, UAV's etc. This is aside from the fact that we have the ready cash to employ the baddest mecenaries complete with their ammo from places like SA, Namibia and Angola; call that an angry standing army at a weeks notice.

. . .This is aside from the fact that the US would cripple any unfortunate that touches their beloved SS (it took less than 24 hours for the FBI to land in Abuja and for the US President and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to rush to GEJ's help).

alj harem:

beaf i hope you know edo (enahoro) is different from you south-south people

just to clarify that

Stop talking stupidly and keep to your almajiri knowledge. You will soon tell me I'm not SS too. Fool.

Beaf:

Where exactly will others get the money to negate the SS? Especially if oil piplines are finished off, while the supply is diverted?
The SS can spend billions at short notice, and it can do that everyday. The first week or so would be the most painful for the SS if war breaks out, but after that, it would be a crushing defeat for anyone with a relatively primitive army that foolishly attacks us. If you follow the news carefully, you will also find that militants in the SS are quite conversant and comfortable with high tech warfare, regularly employing GPS, UAV's etc. This is aside from the fact that we have the ready cash to employ the baddest mecenaries complete with their ammo from places like SA, Namibia and Angola; call that an angry standing army at a weeks notice.

. . .This is aside from the fact that the US would cripple any unfortunate that touches their beloved SS (it took less than 24 hours for the FBI to land in Abuja and for the US President and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to rush to GEJ's help).

Very funny!
You are one crazy fellow.

Beaf:

Where exactly will others get the money to negate the SS?

It depends, there are a variety of sources. Bank accounts of citizens, loans, existing Nigerian federal reserves could all be used to prosecute a war. Overall, I don't think finding cash would be too much of a problem.

Especially if oil piplines are finished off, while the supply is diverted?

So you'd be able to stop the pipelines and divert the supply into cash? So yes, if you could monetize the 2 million barrels produced a day, sure, life would be pretty good for you. But how will whoever buys it from you get out of the country?   After all, there is a navy to blockade and impound any such oil.

Also, as you guys have shown yourself, it is pretty easy to sabotage oil production, period

The SS can spend billions at short notice, and it can do that everyday.

This I doubt. What %age of the oil produced by Nigeria is a reasonable estimate of that lost to oil bunkering or money given to the militants by their governors. . . let's say 1%? 20K barrels a day is only $1.6 million. That can be easily matched by any ethnic group who decides to go to war.

The first week or so would be the most painful for the SS if war breaks out, but after that, it would be a crushing defeat for anyone with a relatively primitive army that foolishly attacks us.

Eh, the opposite would be true, imo. Time is not your friend. Time allows other ethnic groups to convert assets into equipment for prosecuting warfare. Time means more recruits, more training, whittling away at the slim head start you have.

If you follow the news carefully, you will also find that militants in the SS are quite conversant and comfortable with high tech warfare, regularly employing GPS, UAV's etc.

Eh, fine, you spend the money you get on weapons, others do not. But once we start buying weapons too, those advantages go away. . .

This is aside from the fact that we have the ready cash to employ the baddest mecenaries complete with their ammo from places like SA, Namibia and Angola; call that an angry standing army at a weeks notice.

Mercenaries are expensive and were pretty much useless in the Nigerian civil war. I don't see any reason for them to suddenly become useful in a hypothetical new war. I'd be very happy if my enemy spends valuable resources on expensive mercenaries to prosecute a war in Nigeria. Paying $200k/year to a mercenary. . . that same amount of money will likely get you 100 Nigerians

. . .This is aside from the fact that the US would cripple any unfortunate that touches their beloved SS (it took less than 24 hours for the FBI to land in Abuja and for the US President and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to rush to GEJ's help).

The US doesn't like the militants, dude. I don't think they like the Delta either. Especially if that memo by the Shell woman is how the US thinks about things. My guess is that rather than supporting the militants, they'd supply weapons to help crush them. The US likes the status quo in Nigeria and overall probably isn't interested in seeing it changed. This is my guess, at least.

Beaf:

Where exactly will others get the money to negate the SS? Especially if oil piplines are finished off, while the supply is diverted?
The SS can spend billions at short notice, and it can do that everyday. The first week or so would be the most painful for the SS if war breaks out, but after that, it would be a crushing defeat for anyone with a relatively primitive army that foolishly attacks us. If you follow the news carefully, you will also find that militants in the SS are quite conversant and comfortable with high tech warfare, regularly employing GPS, UAV's etc. This is aside from the fact that we have the ready cash to employ the baddest mecenaries complete with their ammo from places like SA, Namibia and Angola; call that an angry standing army at a weeks notice.

. . .This is aside from the fact that the US would cripple any unfortunate that touches their beloved SS (it took less than 24 hours for the FBI to land in Abuja and for the US President and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to rush to GEJ's help).

Why cant you just secede? What is stopping you?

fstrangest:

Why cant you just secede? What is stopping you?

We have laid out what we want, which is true federalism. Thank goodness we do not approach problems in the Boko Haram manner you are thinking about.
However, if all attempts at diplomacy fail, we would leave the sorry country. And dude, on that day, you will get on your knees and beg, cos there will be no smiling.

fstrangest:

Why cant you just secede? What is stopping you?

No joke. If I were them, I'd secede in a second. From what Beaf says, it should be something they can do today.

$160 mil/day divided by 20 or 30 million is a lot better than the same amount divided by 150+ million  

They'd be better off if they secede. But this is one of those things that is easier said than done. . .

Beaf:

We have laid out what we want, which is true federalism.

True federalism is probably strictly better than secession, yes.

Thank goodness we do not approach problems in the Boko Haram manner you are thinking about.
However, if all attempts at diplomacy fail, we would leave the sorry country. And dude, on that day, you will get on your knees and beg, cos there will be no smiling.

Eh, dunno about others, but I'm not going to beg. I'd much rather have access to international credit to build infrastructure than the NDs oil, if I had to choose between the two. The latter leads to a better society and economy anyway.
But of course, having both is better

eku_bear:

No joke. If I were them, I'd secede in a second. From what Beaf says, it should be something they can do today.

$160 mil/day divided by 20 or 30 million is a lot better than the same amount divided by 150+ million  

They'd be better off if they secede. But this is one of those things that is easier said than done. . .

That right there is the blunt truth.
Beaf knows how to build castles in the air
And he is good.

The ND is not even up to 20 million, at most, maybe 10 million, probably less than that, may be between 5-6 million,
If they were to secede, they would become the Kuwait of Africa, that to me is enough reason to secede. Too bad our Oga Beaf does not see it that way.