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Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by oyatz(m): 10:10pm On Apr 09, 2020
Let me explain to you how Political parties determine the success of candidates.


1) Political parties like the PDP and the APC have party structures with members, supporters and fans in every ward in each LGAs.

2) These party structures go out during campaigns to convince prospective voters to vote for their parties.

3) There are politicians in every ward, LGA and States who have PERSONAL ambitions to be councillors, Chairmen, House of Assembly Members,House of Reps members,Senators, Governors, Ministers, Ambassadors, etc.

These people rely on political parties to actualize these dreams and the possibilities of achieving these dreams will be brighten if their parties also produce the president.

4) Tribal/Regional solidarity may not necessarily work for the PERSONAL interests of certain politicians. Infact, it may work against it in some cases.

Non-members of political parties wrongly assume that working for one's tribesman to become the President will always meet one's PERSONAL interests. This is a great fallacy.

For instance,if Amaechi and Timi Sylva had worked for Jonathan in 2015, they won't be where they are today.



5) If these aspirants/contestants work for the opposition or allow the opposition party to win easily in their domains, they will be working against their own successes.
For instance, APC Governorship candidates in Sokoto, Delta or Adamawa State will mobilize for the APC presidential candidates in their domains. Allowing PDP to have it's ways in these States mean it will become twice more difficult for them to win in their own elections.

Tribal and/or regional solidarity are inferior to PERSONAL Survival/Interests in Nigerian politics.


5) Awolowo like all other mortals had his areas of strengths as well as weaknesses.

He has played his parts in the evolution of Nigerian democracy and political development.
No matter how pleasant or unpleasant these parts were, they can't continue to determine our political destiny perpetually.

Life is dynamic and change is inevitable.

LabDNA:




No sentiments here just facts. Awolowo also did all the horse-trading in the world, including killing and insulting Ndigbo just so he can be in the good books of the North, he failed severally at the national level.

That Tinubu emptied his treasury to grease the palms of 306 house of reps members to elect Gbaja cannot be replicated at the national level. Alumajiris will collect your 'kaffir' money and still vote their own, the East will also collect your money and stick to their electoral belief. grin

Do not be too confident, amala politics starts and end in your enclave. grin
Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by oyatz(m): 11:02pm On Apr 09, 2020
Bros you don't seems to understand my points.

There's nothing you write on this forum, if it doesn't align with the PERSONAL interests of politicians, they won't support it.


For instance, there is no amount of thread opened on this forum about Igbo presidency that will make politicians like Atiku, Saraki, Tinubu, El-Rufai, Tambuwal, Osinbajo or Kwankanso to drop their presidential ambitions.


Atiku was the strongest proponents of zoning in the PDP primaries of 2011 and 2015 because such arrangements would be in his PERSONAL Interests and disenfranchised President Jonathan who was then his strongest opponent.

However the same Atiku will strongly kick against zoning the PDP Presidential ticket in 2023 because such arrangements will hurt his PERSONAL ambition.


In reality,what we perceived to be collective interests is actually summation of several individual interests.




LabDNA:

Be not deceived!

The same active politicians come here to read our comments and gauge the feeling of their supporters and sometimes 'steal' our initiatives.

I have made comments here and the next day open newspapers to find some political writers rehashing the same comments and ideologies I propagated, in parts or whole. You underestimate the reach of this forum.

Pre-2015 Lie Mohammed your renowned 'Joseph Goebell' of APC, was literarily sleeping on this forum day and night, fishing for anti-GEJ and anti-PDP comments which he usually published the next day on the The Nation's newspapers no matter how inflammatory.

Go do your findings.
Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by oyatz(m): 11:15pm On Apr 09, 2020
You can make your points without this childish insults.




The NEC of each party will determine how to pick their flagbearers. Each party has his catchments areas of strengths which is NOT the same for all parties.



The game is different from when Nigeria had only one dominant party called the PDP and general elections were just formalities to ratify and legalize the PDP arrangements.






LabDNA:


It is the greatest disservice to your common sense to pretend that ethicity and religion are not key factors in the political dynamics of the Nigerian politicosphere.

Self-deceit is not illegal. Have your fill. grin
Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by YeeboMuslim: 12:00am On Apr 10, 2020
LabDNA:


The SS is not as greedy you SW and are ready to support their cousins in the SE, you people are desperate to avoid facing the North in PDP because you want to use propaganda to defeat another southerner and hijack the presidency. No, it will not work.

If yoruba will not respect zoning and step down for equity and allow both tickets to be zoned to the SE who have never tasted presidency since democracy returned, they'll have to face the north.

When you are stopped from stealing the presidency, we can start the zoning counting again all over, since you lots are averse to justice and equity. No sentiments here.
Lol

Did you read the gist on how Fayemi wants to be a deputy to a Northerner in 2023 ??

We also have our plan B. We won't leave aso rock soon , definitely not 2023. Go figure !!!

We want to enjoy like the Ibos did from the first republic through 3rd republic.

Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by DabuIIIT: 1:21pm On Apr 11, 2020
mrvitalis:

Abiola said he can do without igbos ...we showed him

You expected us to vote awolowo after his role in the civil war ? Why do yorubas think they can hurt someone and the person would just forget ...same way u are expecting south south to help make u president after Jonathan

Abiola got over 40% vote from the east even tho tofa had an Igbo vice still turned back to say he can do without igbos

Obj was just the first time zoning was introduced all man fourth for it , even Igbo leaders told Alex to step down and didn't vote for him that's why u hear igbos betrayed Alex
After the primary we gave OBJ full support and had a pleasant relationship with him till today

Everything igbos have done to yorubas from day one was payback ....like we are going to do in 2023

Their reasoning these days is worse than a barbarian.
Re: The Igbos And Yorubas Should Live With This Truth: by DabuIIIT: 1:24pm On Apr 11, 2020
Iamgrey5:
if you read my post carefully, you would realize I never said Fulani are not dominant in the political arena of Nigeria. I simply said Yorubas have often gotten better deals than the rest because we have understand how to deal with them for centuries before Nigeria was formed.


Till today, we have not lost 3 million people before

We have the commercial capital of Nigeria

We have a president and currently a vice president

Two speakers of rep. etc.

Surely, you should know judging by the actions of an average northerner which Buhari represents that they wouldn't have ordinarily given those things up without strict negotiations and partial blackmail.
But the igbos still have their land and their obi still is their traditional ruler...

Do you have your ilorin? Do you have a major oba in ilorin? And you say you have defeated the Fulanis.....I laugh in Afonja

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