Eku_Bear and Jason123

You are both conjecturing about ethnic numbers in Nigeria. Without a credible census in Nigeria, it is almost impossible to ascertain which group has the higher numbers. Density only counts when you are comparing areas of similar sizes; that 5 people can live in one room does not mean that they are more than 12 people living in a 10 room mansion.

Also, jamb numbers are not credible due to the high numbers of Nigerians living around the world.

^-- It is conjecture yes, but not completely blind guessing. It isn't as if you cannot make certain inferences even with imperfect/limited data.

Anyway, this is my own belief about the Nigerian population.

eku_bear:

^-- It is conjecture yes, but not completely blind guessing. It isn't as if you cannot make certain inferences even with imperfect/limited data.

Anyway, this is my own belief about the Nigerian population.

Yes, it is blind guessing.

What evidence do you have? None.

You mentioned JAMB, but again it was debunked.

Everyone thought Lagos was the most populated state in Nigeria, with the 2006 census, it turned out that Lagos was not as populated as some people would like us believe.

In the absence of factual and unbiased evidence, every conclusion, no matter how well intentioned, amounts to nothing but blind guessing!

Are the Tapa considered "native" Lagosians? Anyone know when they started moving to Lagos?

What other native groups are there? Awori Yoruba and who else?

fstranger1:

Yes, it is blind guessing.

What evidence do you have? None.

You mentioned JAMB, but again it was debunked.

Everyone thought Lagos was the most populated state in Nigeria, with the 2006 census, it turned out that Lagos was not as populated as some people would like us believe.

In the absence of factual and unbiased evidence, every conclusion, no matter how well intentioned, amounts to nothing but blind guessing!

I could take a bunch of publicly available data for each state and probably come up with a reasonable estimate of each state's population (using regression analysis or some variant.) This would be a more rigorous way of estimating the population. But I suspect that it'd give similar results to my current intuition.

eku_bear:

Are the Tapa considered "native" Lagosians? Anyone know when they started moving to Lagos?

What other native groups are there? Awori Yoruba and who else?

What about the Ijebus

I cant understand a shyyt of what they say, yet we are suppose to be speaking the same language!


And there are the Eguns too, mostly in Badagry.  Very difficult to understand what they say!

alj harem1:

i know, i am half igbo not a full igbo man

they tend to make one angry with there arrogance and pride

later they will say i am anti-igbo, then them , themselves are anti anything nigeria

All right. I know you didn't mean it. I edited my post to remove it.

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Quote from: alj harem1 on Today at 07:21:37 PM
i know, i am half igbo not a full igbo man

they tend to make one angry with there arrogance and pride

later they will say i am anti-igbo, then them , themselves are anti anything nigeria

isale_gan2:

All right. I know you didn't mean it. I edited my post to remove it.

ALj Harem is so adorable. ' them, themselves ' very hilarious.

fstranger1:

What about the Ijebus

I can understand a shyyt of what they say, yet we are suppose to be speaking the same language!


And there are the Eguns too, mostly in Badagry. Very difficult to understand what they say!

The ijebu language is very difficult to understand but if you listen carefully, you'll probably get what they are saying. Its similar to the itsekiri.

I am suprise an Igbo man cannot be THE Governor of Lagos State and a Ghanian-Lagosian Dr. Kweku Tandoh can.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valerie_oka/3007721138/

KnowAll:

I am suprise an Igbo man cannot be THE Governor of Lagos State and a Ghanian-Lagosian Dr. Kweku Tandoh can.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valerie_oka/3007721138/

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jason123:

The ijebu language is very difficult to understand but if you listen carefully, you'll probably get what they are saying. Its similar to the itsekiri.

The Ijebus though domiciled in the SW do not consider themselves to be Yorubas, they trace their lineage to some place in the Middle East . Their language however is just another variant of Yoruba, I don't believe their dialect is any more difficult to understand than the dialect of Owo or Ondo.

naijababe:

The Ijebus though domiciled in the SW do not consider themselves to be Yorubas, they trace their lineage to some place in the Middle East .

Really? What do you mean by this? It is only recently that this concept of "Yoruba" came about. But long before then was an acknowledgement of Ile Ife/Oduduwa as a common origin.

So do you mean they don't think they are from Ife originally?

naijababe:

The Ijebus though domiciled in the SW do not consider themselves to be Yorubas, they trace their lineage to some place in the Middle East . Their language however is just another variant of Yoruba, I don't believe their dialect is any more difficult to understand than the dialect of Owo or Ondo.

What? ijebus not yorubas? what about awo? what about my friends? Trust me sister, nothing can be more yoruba than ijebu although, they have suffered discrimination by their neighbours but the ijebu language is dying out as other yoruba dialects are. The main type of yoruba dialect that is been said is the "normal" one you and i are used to hearing.

EDITED:Infact, the Ijebus champion the yoruba cause!!!

Yep, the dialects are dying out. Imo they are too unwieldy anyway  My own village's dialect is different from that of the next town in Ekiti, etc, etc. I don't mind if my own kids learn the dialect, but as for me I'm content with just Yoruba.

We sorta have bigger fish to fry in this day and age than worrying about dialects.

eku_bear:

Really? What do you mean by this? It is only recently that this concept of "Yoruba" came about. But long before then was an acknowledgement of Ile Ife/Oduduwa as a common origin.

So do you mean they don't think they are from Ife originally?

Ask any Ijebu person you know, they do not trace their origin to Oduduwa but rather the Jebusites of the Bible. I know it sounds odd, but it was my husband that told me first before I heard from the Awujale of Ijebu-Ode himself. I r'ber that when I asked him how this was possible, he asked which of the Okanbi sons settled in Ijebu?

I'm just repeating what I heard from them o  

naijababe:

Ask any Ijebu person you know, they do not trace their origin to Oduduwa but rather the Jebusites of the Bible. I know it sounds odd, but it was my husband that told me first before I heard from the Awujale of Ijebu-Ode himself. I r'ber that when I asked him how this was possible, he asked which of the Okanbi sons settled in Ijebu?

I'm just repeating what I heard from them o  

Jebusites?

Hrm, so did they believe this even before interacting with Europeans? If they believed it beforehand, then maybe there is something too it. But otherwise. . .

eku_bear:

Yep, the dialects are dying out. Imo they are too unwieldy anyway  My own village's dialect is different from that of the next town in Ekiti, etc, etc. I don't mind if my own kids learn the dialect, but as for me I'm content with just Yoruba.

We sorta have bigger fish to fry in this day and age than worrying about dialects.

True! Most yorubas have droped their dialect and have adopted the "normal" yoruba. I guess it just cultural evolution . My mother's friend is egba (owo), though she can speak the egba yoruba, she did not teach it to her children but they were taught the normal yoruba that you and i speak.

naijababe:

Ask any Ijebu person you know, they do not trace their origin to Oduduwa but rather the Jebusites of the Bible. I know it sounds odd, but it was my husband that told me first before I heard from the Awujale of Ijebu-Ode himself. I r'ber that when I asked him how this was possible, he asked which of the Okanbi sons settled in Ijebu?

I'm just repeating what I heard from them o  

. He is not serious . Though, I think we (itsekiris) came from them . The language is just too similar

Man, Yoruba people need to be more active on Wikipedia   This Ijebu origin story for example should be on there. . .

jason123:

True! Most yorubas have droped their dialect and have adopted the "normal" yoruba. I guess it just cultural evolution . My mother's friend is egba (owo), though she can speak the egba yoruba, she did not teach it to her children but they were taught the normal yoruba that you and i speak.

What do you mean by normal Yoruba?

Lagos Yoruba is bastardized Yoruba

Normal Yoruba is the one spoken by the Oyos.  Dont let me see you call Lagos Yoruba 'normal' Yoruba again ok?

The Yoruba you and I speak is the bastardized version.

eku_bear:

Man, Yoruba people need to be more active on Wikipedia   This Ijebu origin story for example should be on there. . .

True, but it spoke about the link between ijebu and beni kingdom maybe thats why there are similarities.

jason123:

The ijebu language is very difficult to understand but if you listen carefully, you'll probably get what they are saying. Its similar to the itsekiri.

This is very true. I am Ijebu and I can understand itsekiri.  The 'itsekiris' migrated from Ijebuland because they were itinerant traders and picked up phrases from other languages in the areas they lived especially from the kogi, edo and delta areas. This is why itsekiri "language" is a mixed pot of predominantly ijebu dialect, then some words were borrowed from Igala, Urhobo, Isoko and Bini.

As a matter of fact, the word 'Itsekiri' is really a Yoruba word that means "itinerant" or in literal terms "walk about".

fstranger1:


What do you mean by normal Yoruba?

Lagos Yoruba is bastardized Yoruba

Normal Yoruba is the one spoken by the Oyos.  Dont let me see you call Lagos Yoruba 'normal' Yoruba again ok?

The Yoruba you and I speak is the bastardized version.

So what is the real version of yoruba?

eku_bear:

There is no way this is true. Whenever I'm in Nigeria I stay in Abuja. I would be highly surprised if Igbo are even 20% of the population there, not to talk of 70%.

Don't mind him. Igbos own 70% of the properties in Abuja according to El Rufai and not 70% of the population. Many half illiterates in NL.

jason123:

So what is the real version of yoruba?

Ekiti Yoruba

kalokalo:

This is very true. I am Ijebu and I can understand itsekiri.  The 'itsekiris' migrated from Ijebuland because they were itinerant traders and picked up phrases from other languages in the areas they lived especially from the kogi, edo and delta areas. This is why itsekiri "language" is a mixed pot of predominantly ijebu dialect, then some words were borrowed from Igala, Urhobo, Isoko and Bini.

As a matter of fact, the word 'Itsekiri' is really a Yoruba word that means "itinerant" or in literal terms "walk about".    

Thank you for the clarification. If you do not mind this question, do ijebus see themselves as yorubas?

Ileke-IdI:

Ekiti Yoruba

. Even I can understand the ekiti yoruba (if that is what you have been typing on NL). Its the same as the normal yoruba so what is the difference?

naijababe:

Ask any Ijebu person you know, they do not trace their origin to Oduduwa but rather the Jebusites of the Bible. I know it sounds odd, but it was my husband that told me first before I heard from the Awujale of Ijebu-Ode himself. I r'ber that when I asked him how this was possible, he asked which of the Okanbi sons settled in Ijebu?

I'm just repeating what I heard from them o  

This is not true. The Ijebu language is just a dialect of yoruba. However ijebu is completely unintelligible to non-ijebus. I sometimes think it should be its own language since I can be speaking Ijebu and a regular Yoruba person will have no clue what I'm saying. This is analogous to Ngwa dialect and mainstream Igbo.

aloy/emeka:

Don't mind him. Igbos own 70% of the properties in Abuja according to El Rufai and not 70% of the population. Many half illiterates in NL.

thank you, aloy/emeka

all what i said on this thread i really do not mean it, i was just angry and wanted to make things clear to afam

thanks once again

jason123:

So what is the real version of yoruba?

The Oyo dialect. Also spoken by the Modakekes ans some other people.

Ileke-IdI:

Ekiti Yoruba

You shut up. Ekiti Yoruba is one of the most ugly version I have ever heard.  Calling Ile, Ule.   .   .   who does that?

kalokalo:

This is not true. The Ijebu language is just a dialect of yoruba. However ijebu is completely unintelligible to non-ijebus. I sometimes think it should be its own language since[b] I can be speaking Ijebu and a regular Yoruba person will have no clue what I'm saying[/b]. This is analogous to Ngwa dialect and mainstream Igbo.

I can understand ( a little but i would get what you mean and i only got a 6-yr exposure to the yorubas). sugbon, e ma so eko jor