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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 8:19pm On Sep 06
Eagban:


This is how Biblehub.com rendered it... And I am very much satisfied with it.

No wahala.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:27pm On Sep 06
Eagban:

You just wasting your time arguing. Jesus Christ remains who He is - The MIGHTY GOD (Isaiah 9:6).
No be argument. Your screenshots says "in the beginning the (Greek3588) was with the (Greek 3588) God, and the (Greek 3588) was with Greek 3588 -(dash in English, no dash in Greek).
Why this omission?

Bros, Why you dey run from scrutiny grin grin

Hebrew EL gibbowr (means Mighty one/mighty God) is a title for Jesus, man, angels and Yahweh.

Did Isaiah 9:6 say the son is God in heaven before his birth on earth?
Why you dey fear scrutiny and jakpa like Usain Bolt?
EL gibbowr doesn't proof anything grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:35am On Sep 07
The doctrine of the Trinity is the belief that there is one God who has revealed Himself in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons make up the one true God.
These three persons are of the same substance, equal in power and glory.
It is important we understand this doctrine because the wrong Jesus or the wrong God cannot save us from eternal death.
[Paul makes a clear warning of this in-{2 Corinthians 11:4}
The Bible clearly states that there is only one God. {Deuteronomy 6:4} states, “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.”
{Isaiah 44:6} states, “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me.”
Clearly, these verses reveal that there is only one God.
Yet, there are three separate persons in the Bible who are called God and have the characteristics only God can have.
The Trinity is a difficult concept to grasp, because we are finite beings trying to explain an infinite God who is beyond our understanding.
Let’s take a look at some verses that back up our doctrine of the Trinity. The Father is obviously called God as seen throughout the Bible. No one will argue that point. So there is one member of the Trinity, the Father. Jesus the Son, is a separate person but He is also called God.
{John 1:1} says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
{Titus 2:13} says, “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” So here we see clearly, the Son is also called God.
The Holy Spirit is also a separate person, and He is also called God. First, let us understand, the Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. He is a person and has the characteristics of a person. He can be grieved {Eph. 4:3} He speaks {Acts 13:2} and He can be lied to {Act 5:3-4}
{Acts 5:3-4} The Holy Spirit is called God, “But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?...You have not lied to men, but to God.’“
The proof is there-you deny the Word of God-you are denying Jesus is the way to the Father!!
rabzy:


Still unanswered, show me a publication where JW teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father...shikena

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:42am On Sep 07
So you don't have any evidence to confirm your accusation, i've said it "you're just bitter like the Pharisees of the first century Jewish community who just feel like accusing Jesus but don't have any evidence to do so.

You're saying JWs don't believe Jesus is the way to God, oya present just one JW publication to support your accusations the next is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! cheesy
Of course we will never agree with your TRINITY Dogheads, what is indisputably clear is
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God! smiley
brocab:
The doctrine of the Trinity is the belief that there is one God who has revealed Himself in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons make up the one true God.
These three persons are of the same substance, equal in power and glory.
It is important we understand this doctrine because the wrong Jesus or the wrong God cannot save us from eternal death.
[Paul makes a clear warning of this in-{2 Corinthians 11:4}
The Bible clearly states that there is only one God. {Deuteronomy 6:4} states, “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.”
{Isaiah 44:6} states, “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me.”
Clearly, these verses reveal that there is only one God.
Yet, there are three separate persons in the Bible who are called God and have the characteristics only God can have.
The Trinity is a difficult concept to grasp, because we are finite beings trying to explain an infinite God who is beyond our understanding.
Let’s take a look at some verses that back up our doctrine of the Trinity. The Father is obviously called God as seen throughout the Bible. No one will argue that point. So there is one member of the Trinity, the Father. Jesus the Son, is a separate person but He is also called God.
{John 1:1} says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
{Titus 2:13} says, “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” So here we see clearly, the Son is also called God.
The Holy Spirit is also a separate person, and He is also called God. First, let us understand, the Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. He is a person and has the characteristics of a person. He can be grieved {Eph. 4:3} He speaks {Acts 13:2} and He can be lied to {Act 5:3-4}
{Acts 5:3-4} The Holy Spirit is called God, “But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?...You have not lied to men, but to God.’“
The proof is there-you deny the Word of God-you are denying Jesus is the way to the Father!!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 7:45am On Sep 07
Janosky:

No be argument. Your screenshots says "in the beginning the (Greek3588) was with the (Greek 3588) God, and the (Greek 3588) was with Greek 3588 -(dash in English, no dash in Greek).
Why this omission?

Bros, Why you dey run from scrutiny grin grin

Hebrew EL gibbowr (means Mighty one/mighty God) is a title for Jesus, man, angels and Yahweh.

Did Isaiah 9:6 say the son is God in heaven before his birth on earth?
Why you dey fear scrutiny and jakpa like Usain Bolt?
EL gibbowr doesn't proof anything grin

@bold why is one a capital letter and the other one a small letter?
You only know how to pervert the Bible.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 7:54am On Sep 07
DappaD:

Uncle/Aunty Eagban, if we're to talk about John 1:1—you're going to have to free your mind and leave all forms of sentiment out of this and it should be noted that it's one thing to consider a Bible translation and it's a TOTALLY different thing to consider the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURAL TEXT.

Take a look at the picture below. We see two forms of Greek expressions of “God”.

The first one “Theon”[God] is preceded by a Greek definite article “ton” which in English corresponds to “the” definite article.
This first form is usually and always designated to the Supreme One, the Almighty God alone—Jehovah(Psalm 83:18)
The second one however is “Theos" [god] occurs without a definite article indicating that this can be designated to others—unlike “Theon” that's assigned to One Person only—the true God Jehovah.
Jesus(The Word/Spokesman of God/firstborn and only begotten Son of God) is the one bearing this “god” title in John 1:1 indicating that he also occupies a high position and is of divine nature but not the same as his Father, Jehovah (John 20:17, 1Corinthians 8:6)
It's just like how the men of Israel during the time of the judges wielded power so as to be referred to as “gods”—Please compare Psalm 82:6 with John 10:34-35





You said Jesus is of a divine nature.. So how many other human beings do you know are of a divine nature?
Don't you think you are confusing yourself?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:51am On Sep 07
Eagban:


You said Jesus is of a divine nature.. So how many other human beings do you know are of a divine nature?
Don't you think you are confusing yourself?

Did he say there is any human like Jesus?

Come on! What we are saying is "Jesus is not from this source" {John 8:23} unlike all other humans who have lived on this planet, Jesus is not a descendants of Adam through birth, that's why he is of a divine nature.
But regarding being a god that's totally a different case entirely because there are many gods and lords, Jesus served as God and Lord doesn't mean he is the one to be worshiped!
Where most of you Churchgoers got it all wrong is the Greek word translated "worship" in the Bible book of Revelations, that word could also be translated as "obeisance" meaning obedient attitude!
Today all of you claiming Jesus is God and saying you're worshiping him don't understand a single thing, instead of obeying him like JWs who all have the same line of thought and code of conduct befitting people obeying the same leader you're all practicing different religions based on the ideas of your church founders yet claiming you're worshiping the same Jesus. Matthew 15:7-9
Did you notice Jesus saying in vain you people are worshiping his name?
That's exactly what makes all of you stupid in the eyes of intelligent observers watching you from afar! Romans 10:2-3 smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:37pm On Sep 07
Eagban:


@bold why is one a capital letter and the other one a small letter?
You only know how to pervert the Bible.

Is everything in your old testament Bible written in capital letters?
Isaiah 9:6 you quote from, is everything there written in capital letters?

Why capitalize 'MIGHTY GOD' only?
What of the entire verse 6? Or the entire Bible you quote from?
Don't be hypocrite looking for flimsy excuses grin.

MIGHTY ONE/MIGHTY GOD , if you write it in small case, the Hebrew language meaning doesn't change.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:46pm On Sep 07
Eagban:


You said Jesus is of a divine nature.. So how many other human beings do you know are of a divine nature?
Don't you think you are confusing yourself?

Bros , John 10:34-36 Jesus says himself is a god.
Sons (plural) of God are gods.
The son(singular) of God is a god.
A god is divine, godlike, of God, like God,
divine nature/divine quality.
Exodus 7:1, God made Moses divine (like God). grin.
John 1:1, the word was divine (a god,like God, divine nature/quality) not God in person.
Phil2:6 'But existing in the form of God' = you see am? Of God= divine, godlike, like God.
(Bros what is your Dictionary definition of divine? See Screenshot. Dictionary no lie grin)
Son of God= son like God. John 10:34-36.
Please, shine your eyes and RECEIVE SENSE grin grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 7:38pm On Sep 07
Janosky:


Is everything in your old testament Bible written in capital letters?
Isaiah 9:6 you quote from, is everything there written in capital letters?

Why capitalize 'MIGHTY GOD' only?
What of the entire verse 6? Or the entire Bible you quote from?
Don't be hypocrite looking for flimsy excuses grin.

MIGHTY ONE/MIGHTY GOD, if you write it in small case, the Hebrew language meaning doesn't change.
If the Hebrew language meaning doesn't change, why are you still arguing? Isaiah 9:6 was definitely talking about Jesus and said he would be called El (God) Gibbor (Mighty)...

It is very difficult to disprove the deity of Jesus Christ..
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 7:42pm On Sep 07
There's plenty of evidence to prove you deny Jesus-"the time you wake up in the morning until bed time-you didn't claim Jesus as your Lord and savour-every time you come as Jehovah Witnesses-you are claiming to be God's witnesses, you only declare-God's name, Jehovah" denying Jesus at the same time.
We come to you in Jesus name-and you reject us for claiming Jesus is..
The Father had given Jesus all His authority-Christ died for us-and still you deny His name-claiming Jehovah's name will save us..
Maximus69:
So you don't have any evidence to confirm your accusation, i've said it "you're just bitter like the Pharisees of the first century Jewish community who just feel like accusing Jesus but don't have any evidence to do so.

You're saying JWs don't believe Jesus is the way to God, oya present just one JW publication to support your accusations the next is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! cheesy
Of course we will never agree with your TRINITY Dogheads, what is indisputably clear is
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:51pm On Sep 07
Eagban:

If the Hebrew language meaning doesn't change, why are you still arguing? Isaiah 9:6 was definitely talking about Jesus and said he would be called El (God) Gibbor (Mighty)...

It is very difficult to disprove the deity of Jesus Christ..

Moses WAS God! Exodus 7:1 wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:56pm On Sep 07
brocab:
There's plenty of evidence to prove you deny Jesus-"the time you wake up in the morning until bed time-you didn't claim Jesus as your Lord and savour-every time you come as Jehovah Witnesses-you are claiming to be God's witnesses, you only declare-God's name, Jehovah" denying Jesus at the same time.
We come to you in Jesus name-and you reject us for claiming Jesus is..
The Father had given Jesus all His authority-Christ died for us-and still you deny His name-claiming Jehovah's name will save us..

And you've not come across several posts where i confessed Jesus as Master, Lord and King shey? cheesy

Sorry my guy you've got nothing to say! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 8:14pm On Sep 07
But what does your heart desire, Jehovah-anybody can claim they know Jesus-but do you recognise Him to be to only true God, just like the scriptures tells us He is..
"No" is your correct answer...
The world know's Jesus's name-He name is written everywhere-people from all walks of life confess His name,-but do they really believe.. Jesus is....
Maximus69:


And you've not come across several posts where i confessed Jesus as Master, Lord and King shey? cheesy

Sorry my guy you've got nothing to say! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:22pm On Sep 07
brocab:
But what does your heart desire, Jehovah-anybody can claim they know Jesus-but do you recognise Him to be to only true God, just like the scriptures tells us He is..
"No" is your correct answer...
The world know's Jesus's name-He name is written everywhere-people from all walks of life confess His name,-but do they really believe.. Jesus is....

The highlighted is where we part ways!

Because my own Bible says i must exercise faith in him as God's only begotten Son {John 3:16} sorry there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people must confess Jesus as the only true God! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 8:50pm On Sep 07
Maximus69:


Did he say there is any human like Jesus?

Come on! What we are saying is "Jesus is not from this source" {John 8:23} unlike all other humans who have lived on this planet, Jesus is not a descendants of Adam through birth, that's why he is of a divine nature.
But regarding being a god that's totally a different case entirely because there are many gods and lords, Jesus served as God and Lord doesn't mean he is the one to be worshiped!
Where most of you Churchgoers got it all wrong is the Greek word translated "worship" in the Bible book of Revelations, that word could also be translated as "obeisance" meaning obedient attitude!
Today all of you claiming Jesus is God and saying you're worshiping him don't understand a single thing, instead of obeying him like JWs who all have the same line of thought and code of conduct befitting people obeying the same leader you're all practicing different religions based on the ideas of your church founders yet claiming you're worshiping the same Jesus. Matthew 15:7-9
Did you notice Jesus saying in vain you people are worshiping his name?
That's exactly what makes all of you stupid in the eyes of intelligent observers watching you from afar! Romans 10:2-3 smiley
When Jesus said "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) he was telling the Jewish leaders he is of the same essence and divine nature as God (not as a small god)...
And this Jesus received worship from many and never rebuked anybody for worshipping him. Below are some of the instances he was worshipped :-

When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. Upon entering the house, they saw the child with his mother Miryam; and they prostrated themselves and worshipped him . Then they opened their bags and presented him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
Mattityahu (Mat) 2:10‭-‬11 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/mat.2.10-11.CJB

And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”
Matthew 14:33 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.14.33.NASB

And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.
John 9:38 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.9.38.NASB

When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
Matthew 28:17 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.28.17.NASB

While he blessed them, he withdrew from them and was carried up into heaven. They worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Luke 24:51‭-‬52 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/luk.24.51-52.WMB ...

Stop trying to disprove the deity of Jesus Christ!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 8:52pm On Sep 07
Maximus69:


Moses WAS God! Exodus 7:1 wink

You are far gone...
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:42pm On Sep 07
Eagban:

When Jesus said "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) he was telling the Jewish leaders he is of the same essence and divine nature as God (not as a small god)...
And this Jesus received worship from many and never rebuked anybody for worshipping him. Below are some of the instances he was worshipped :-

When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. Upon entering the house, they saw the child with his mother Miryam; and they prostrated themselves and worshipped him . Then they opened their bags and presented him gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
Mattityahu (Mat) 2:10‭-‬11 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/mat.2.10-11.CJB

And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”
Matthew 14:33 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.14.33.NASB

And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.
John 9:38 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.9.38.NASB

When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
Matthew 28:17 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.28.17.NASB

While he blessed them, he withdrew from them and was carried up into heaven. They worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Luke 24:51‭-‬52 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/luk.24.51-52.WMB ...

Stop trying to disprove the deity of Jesus Christ!

Interestingly the same Apostle John recorded in his gospel that Jesus prayed to God for his followers to become ONE just as himself and the father are ONE {John 17:22} so if we are to go by your interpretation, does that implies that both God, Jesus and all his disciples are the same person? cheesy

Stop deceiving yourself! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:48pm On Sep 07
Eagban:


You are far gone...

Certainly ahead of you and the deception of your TRINITY Doghead! wink
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban: 10:29pm On Sep 07
Maximus69:


Interestingly the same Apostle John recorded in his gospel that Jesus prayed to God for his followers to become ONE just as himself and the father are ONE {John 17:22} so if we are to go by your interpretation, does that implies that both God, Jesus and all his disciples are the same person? cheesy

Stop deceiving yourself! wink

We will never be able to see things from the same point of view simply because you use a version of the Bible that has been very much corrupted by the governing body of your cult group...
I have a excessive amount of Bibles to choose from knowing fully well that the translators are not a dishonest lot like your NWT translators.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:10pm On Sep 07
Eagban:

We will never be able to see things from the same point of view simply because you use a version of the Bible that has been very much corrupted by the governing body of your cult group...
I have a excessive amount of Bibles to choose from knowing fully well that the translators are not a dishonest lot like your NWT translators.

There were 450 false prophets of Baal in Israel, though they agreed to go against Elijah but their form of worship contradicts one another, yet they all agreed that Elijah was wrong to have interpreted God's word differently from their own interpretation of interfaith!

What makes your own case easy to grasp is that even if you have a thousand version of the Bible, what John's gospel says at John 17:22 remains the same, so you're just deceiving your own soul! cheesy

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:16pm On Sep 07
Eagban:


We will never be able to see things from the same point of view simply because you use a version of the Bible that has been very much corrupted by the governing body of your cult group...
I have a excessive amount of Bibles to choose from knowing fully well that the translators are not a dishonest lot like your NWT translators.


Shame on you, LIAR. grin

John 17:22 King James Bible

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one

Jesus spoke that statement in John 17:22 which Eagan is TWISTING @ John 10:30.

Brother Maximus simply quoted your KJV John 17:22, adding no Maggi and Pepper to the verse.

Matt19:4-6 Husband and wife are one.
1 Cor3:6-8, Jesus disciples(Paul and Apollos) are one.
John 17:22, Jesus disciples are one just as Jesus and his Father are one (John 10:30).
Why do you add your own Maggi and Pepper into the holy Bible?


I challenge you to show us Greek 2316,Theos
@ John 10:30 in your own Bible.

Bros, Is John 17:22 NWT saying exactly the same thing @ John 17:22 KJV?
grin grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:48pm On Sep 07
Janosky:

Shame on you, LIAR. grin

John 17:22 King James Bible
"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
Jesus spoke that statement in John 17:22 which Eagan is TWISTING @ John 10:30.
Brother Maximus simply quoted your KJV John 17:22, adding no Maggi and Pepper to the verse.
Matt19:4-6 Husband and wife are one.
1 Cor3:6-8, Jesus disciples(Paul and Apollos) are one.
John 17:22, Jesus disciples are one just as Jesus and his Father are one (John 10:30).
Why do you add your own Maggi and Pepper into the holy Bible?

I challenge you to show us Greek 2316,Theos
@ John 10:30 in your own Bible.
Bros, Is John 17:22 NWT saying exactly the same thing @ John 17:22 KJV?
grin grin

I just pity the poor Churchgoer, he's bitterly fighting to defend his Trinity but it's so pathetic, he's finding it really difficult to establish it in God's word.

I've learnt to be calm whenever i meet such ignorant sentimentalist, if he feels that John 10:30 means Jesus and the father are the same person, then let him interpret John 17:22, period! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 7:18am On Sep 08
Just as soon as you open up your mouth-declaring Jehovah to be your savour-you have denied Jesus..
Maximus69:


The highlighted is where we part ways!

Because my own Bible says i must exercise faith in him as God's only begotten Son {John 3:16} sorry there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people must confess Jesus as the only true God! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:41am On Sep 08
brocab:
Just as soon as you open up your mouth-declaring Jehovah to be your savour-you have denied Jesus..

The bolded is undeniable fact!
According to my own Bible there can never be a son without the father, and the Bible book that i quoted said "For GOD so Love (me) that he gave (me) his only begotten Son so that (if i) believe (put my trust in the counseling of his son) (i) will not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Surely there is no saviour apart from the one who provided the (lamb) as a ransom sacrifice for my sin! {Isaiah 43:11} of course i have to appreciate the lamb (Jesus) but the SAVIOUR before Saviour, LORD before Lord, FATHER before Father, KING before King, SHEPHERD before Shepherd is JEHOVAH, He orders Jesus around! Psalms 110:1

Meanwhile you haven't present a verse in the Bible that says people should recognize Jesus as the only true God, perhaps that's the fabrication of your Dogheads NOT in God's word! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:08am On Sep 08
{John 14:6} Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
{John 10:30-31} I and the Father are One-At this, the Jews {the JW's} again picked up stones to stone Him.…
Maximus69:
Meanwhile you haven't present a verse in the Bible that says people should recognize Jesus as the only true God, perhaps that's the fabrication of your Dogheads NOT in God's word! cheesy
{Hebrews 1:7-8} Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
So how many scriptures do you need, to prove Jesus is God...And no-one can come to the Father in Spirit without Jesus present.
{John 14:7-9} If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…
The problem we are having here, is" God never gave you Jesus-you decided to believe in the archangel Michael-as the Son of God to be your Lord and savour!!
Maximus69:


The bolded is undeniable fact!
According to my own Bible there can never be a son without the father, and the Bible book that i quoted said "For GOD so Love (me) that he gave (me) his only begotten Son so that (if i) believe (put my trust in the counseling of his son) (i) will not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Surely there is no saviour apart from the one who provided the (lamb) as a ransom sacrifice for my sin! {Isaiah 43:11} of course i have to appreciate the lamb (Jesus) but the SAVIOUR before Saviour, LORD before Lord, FATHER before Father, KING before King, SHEPHERD before Shepherd is JEHOVAH, He orders Jesus around! Psalms 110:1

Meanwhile you haven't present a verse in the Bible that says people should recognize Jesus as the only true God, perhaps that's the fabrication of your Dogheads NOT in God's word! cheesy

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:50am On Sep 08
You are fabricating your own meaning to God's word, so i too can explain those verses my own way, the only way to settle this is for you to present a single verse in the scripture that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!

I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God as stated clearly in God's word! John 3:16

So present your own! cheesy
brocab:
{John 14:6} Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
{John 10:30-31} I and the Father are One-At this, the Jews {the JW's} again picked up stones to stone Him.…

{Hebrews 1:7-8} Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
So how many scriptures do you need, to prove Jesus is God...And no-one can come to the Father in Spirit without Jesus present.
{John 14:7-9} If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…
The problem we are having here, is" God never gave you Jesus-you decided to believe in the archangel Michael-as the Son of God to be your Lord and savour!!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:39pm On Sep 08
No-one has seen God at anytime-so how do you believe in someone you don't know 'He actually exist-you have never seen Jehovah-you are only going by his say, or her say-that Jehovah lives..
You could be barking up the wrong tree-you couldn't live without believing in something else, obviously you didn't like to be a Muslim..
Maybe the Muslim community had throwing you out..
The bible is there to study 'my friend-it's there to learn from it, to understand it-to believe-Spirituality and naturally-we can't believe in our own will, this is why we ask in God's will to teach us, as promised.
We are all here to learn the scriptures-the problem is, you claim to believe-question is-"what do you believe? obviously not in Word of God.
The Muslim's believed Allah will save them-the Watchtower believes Jehovah will save them-it's understandable why you had chosen the Watchtower, believing directly into the bible would confuse you even more-you needed something that makes sounds closer to your ears.
It won't matter how many times we have produced the scriptures to you-your heart's telling you Jesus is either a Prophet as the Muslim's believe, or what the Watchtower teaches, Jesus is only a son-just like the angels.. ""Nothing more..
Maximus69:
You are fabricating your own meaning to God's word, so i too can explain those verses my own way, the only way to settle this is for you to present a single verse in the scripture that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!

I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God as stated clearly in God's word! John 3:16

So present your own! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:27am On Sep 09
brocab:

No-one has seen God at anytime-so how do you believe in someone you don't know 'He actually exist-you have never seen Jehovah-you are only going by his say, or her say-that Jehovah lives..
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You could be barking up the wrong tree-you couldn't live without believing in something else, obviously you didn't like to be a Muslim..
Maybe the Muslim community had throwing you out..
The bible is there to study 'my friend-it's there to learn from it, to understand it-to believe-Spirituality and naturally-we can't believe in our own will, this is why we ask in God's will to teach us, as promised.
We are all here to learn the scriptures-the problem is, you claim to believe-question is-"what do you believe? obviously not in Word of God.
The Muslim's believed Allah will save them-the Watchtower believes Jehovah will save them-it's understandable why you had chosen the Watchtower, believing directly into the bible would confuse you even more-you needed something that makes sounds closer to your ears.
It won't matter how many times we have produced the scriptures to you-your heart's telling you Jesus is either a Prophet as the Muslim's believe, or what the Watchtower teaches, Jesus is only a son-just like the angels.. ""Nothing more..

Brocab, the Triune IDOL WORSHIPPERS is doubtful Jehovah exists.
John 5:37,John 20:17,Jesus Christ His Son & Servant (Acts3:13) CONFESSED his Father and our god, Jehovah exists. Our faith solid.

2 Corinthians 5:7, JWs walk by faith and not by sight."

Brocab who WORSHIPs only what his own eyes can see- those triune idols in the screenshot.

Faithless Triune IDOLS WORSHIPPERS
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:08am On Sep 09
This just shows no-one can help you! You believe in something you could never see, feel or even sense-you can't see the truth, so how does Christ take you seriously if you aren't willing to come to Him in Spirit and in truth..
You believe in a unknown god-by his say, her say-Allah-Jehovah will save you..
Opp's animals live without a Spirit, like you-having no spirit..
Janosky:


Brocab, the Triune IDOL WORSHIPPERS is doubtful Jehovah exists.
John 5:37,John 20:17,Jesus Christ His Son & Servant (Acts3:13) CONFESSED his Father and our god, Jehovah exists. Our faith solid.

2 Corinthians 5:7, JWs walk by faith and not by sight."

Brocab who WORSHIPs only what his own eyes can see- those triune idols in the screenshot.

Faithless Triune IDOLS WORSHIPPERS
grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:50am On Sep 09
brocab:
No-one has seen God at anytime-so how do you believe in someone you don't know 'He actually exist-you have never seen Jehovah-you are only going by his say, or her say-that Jehovah lives..
You could be barking up the wrong tree-you couldn't live without believing in something else, obviously you didn't like to be a Muslim..
Maybe the Muslim community had throwing you out..
The bible is there to study 'my friend-it's there to learn from it, to understand it-to believe-Spirituality and naturally-we can't believe in our own will, this is why we ask in God's will to teach us, as promised.
We are all here to learn the scriptures-the problem is, you claim to believe-question is-"what do you believe? obviously not in Word of God.
The Muslim's believed Allah will save them-the Watchtower believes Jehovah will save them-it's understandable why you had chosen the Watchtower, believing directly into the bible would confuse you even more-you needed something that makes sounds closer to your ears.
It won't matter how many times we have produced the scriptures to you-your heart's telling you Jesus is either a Prophet as the Muslim's believe, or what the Watchtower teaches, Jesus is only a son-just like the angels.. ""Nothing more..

So in a nutshell there is nowhere in the 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses of the Bible that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God shey? cheesy

Well i'm presenting to you the verse that says people must believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God ~John 3:16 smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:33pm On Sep 09
brocab:

[b]This just shows no-one can help you! You believe in something you could never see, feel or even sense-[/b]you can't see the truth, so how does Christ take you seriously if you aren't willing to come to Him in Spirit and in truth..

You believe in a unknown god-by his say, her say-Allah-Jehovah will save you..
Opp's animals live without a Spirit, like you-having no spirit..

Brocab, most confused of men and faithless Triune pagan idol worshipper, DECEIVING himself. grin grin
2 Corinthians 5:7, please confirm if it's in your Bible.
Also, confirm that Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 (KJV) are in your own Bible.

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