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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:25am On Sep 10
The JW asked "Should we worship Jesus?"
Answer: The answer to this question largely hinges on Jesus’ identity.
If Jesus is regarded as deity in the same sense as His Father, then we should worship Jesus.
If the New Testament documents identify Jesus with Yahweh, then we should worship Jesus.
If He is merely a prophet of God, the worship of Jesus would not be appropriate. Given the Bible’s insistence that worship is to be directed to God alone, any God-fearing individual will need a satisfactory answer to this all-important question.
The apostle Paul called Jesus “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that, prior to His incarnation, Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5–cool.
God the Father says regarding Jesus, “Your throne, O God will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:cool.
The apostle John says that “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1).
Other passages identify Jesus as the Creator and Sustainer of the universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16–17; Hebrews 1:2).
Jesus receives worship several times in the Gospels (Matthew 2:11; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28). Jesus is never said to reject such adoration.
Rather, He accepts such worship as well placed. So, does the Bible portray Jesus as fully deity? The answer is certainly “yes.”
With that being said, Christians need to recognize that the Bible also teaches the deity of the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2) as well as the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3–4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
And yet the Scriptures teach that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4).
How can this be?
The Christian church has historically taught that the Bible is clearly portraying God as one Being who exists in three Persons.
In summary, the Bible teaches that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing less than God the Son, the second Person of the Triune God (Trinity).
In view of this, He is due our full worship and devotion. To fail to worship Jesus Christ would be sinful.
But these bible verses are not for you JW-these scriptures are to complicated for you..
Janosky:


Brocab, most confused of men and faithless Triune pagan idol worshipper, DECEIVING himself. grin grin
2 Corinthians 5:7, please confirm if it's in your Bible.
Also, confirm that Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 (KJV) are in your own Bible.

grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:31am On Sep 10
The blind can only lead the blind-nothing more..without the bible directing traffic, the JW's believe his say, her say, this takes a JW to the next step-to nowhere..
Maximus69:


So in a nutshell there is nowhere in the 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses of the Bible that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God shey? cheesy

Well i'm presenting to you the verse that says people must believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God ~John 3:16 smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:55am On Sep 10
brocab:
The JW asked "Should we worship Jesus?"
Answer: The answer to this question largely hinges on Jesus’ identity.
If Jesus is regarded as deity in the same sense as His Father, then we should worship Jesus.
If the New Testament documents identify Jesus with Yahweh, then we should worship Jesus.
If He is merely a prophet of God, the worship of Jesus would not be appropriate. Given the Bible’s insistence that worship is to be directed to God alone, any God-fearing individual will need a satisfactory answer to this all-important question.
The apostle Paul called Jesus “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that, prior to His incarnation, Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5–cool.
God the Father says regarding Jesus, “Your throne, O God will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:cool.
The apostle John says that “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1).
Other passages identify Jesus as the Creator and Sustainer of the universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16–17; Hebrews 1:2).
Jesus receives worship several times in the Gospels (Matthew 2:11; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28). Jesus is never said to reject such adoration.
Rather, He accepts such worship as well placed. So, does the Bible portray Jesus as fully deity? The answer is certainly “yes.”
With that being said, Christians need to recognize that the Bible also teaches the deity of the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2) as well as the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3–4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
And yet the Scriptures teach that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4).
How can this be?
The Christian church has historically taught that the Bible is clearly portraying God as one Being who exists in three Persons.
In summary, the Bible teaches that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing less than God the Son, the second Person of the Triune God (Trinity).
In view of this, He is due our full worship and devotion. To fail to worship Jesus Christ would be sinful
.
But these bible verses are not for you JW-these scriptures are to complicated for you..

"So called God the son Fraud, is clearly a Man made satanic contraption contrary to the holy scriptures.
JWs shout Hallelujah for the truth Jesus Christ have confirmed in Matthew 4:10 & Mark12:29-30.

Jesus Christ has spoken.

Bros, enjoy your Fraud & have a great day.
Shalom.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 4:42am On Sep 11
Janosky:

Jesus Christ has spoken. [/b]
WelL said JW!
Janosky:


"So called God the son Fraud, is clearly a Man made satanic contraption contrary to the holy scriptures.
JWs shout Hallelujah for the truth Jesus Christ have confirmed in Matthew 4:10 & Mark12:29-30.

Jesus Christ has spoken.

Bros, enjoy your Fraud & have a great day.
Shalom.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:28am On Sep 11
brocab:
The blind can only lead the blind-nothing more..without the bible directing traffic, the JW's believe his say, her say, this takes a JW to the next step-to nowhere..

TRINITY only lives in the brains of brainwashed Churchgoers, it is not found anywhere in the scriptures so what you typed up there is your PERSONAL opinion my guy!
Just quote or cite a verse out of the 31,200 verses of this book called "Bible" that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!
If you can't then it simply means you and all your cohorts have been defrauded by Satan and his demons big time, what the Bible consistently say is
"In order to gain Salvation, everyone must believe that JESUS is God's Only begotten Son unbelievers who refuses to acknowledge this has been judged already so they will perish" John 3:16-18 smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 10:14pm On Sep 11
Maximus69:


TRINITY only lives in the brains of brainwashed Churchgoers, it is not found anywhere in the scriptures so what you typed up there is your PERSONAL opinion my guy!
Just quote or cite a verse out of the 31,200 verses of this book called "Bible" that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!
If you can't then it simply means you and all your cohorts have been defrauded by Satan and his demons big time, what the Bible consistently say is
"In order to gain Salvation, everyone must believe that JESUS is God's Only begotten Son unbelievers who refuses to acknowledge this has been judged already so they will perish" John 3:16-18 smiley
The screenshot of Bros brocab speaks volumes.
Brocab quoted Wikipedia, yet he sold out his brain to a man made DELUSION unknown to Jesus Christ and all servants of Jehovah God. grin.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:54pm On Sep 14
I was taught several different ways to teach the Bible including, topical where we discuss certain topics; expository, this is a verse by verse study; and Holy Spirit led where you just flow with the Holy Ghost.
Today I see preachers and teachers and cult's such as the JW's using experiences with little to no mention of Scripture.
This is dangerous. For disciples of Christ to discern supernatural experiences they must know the Word of God. Sais again, experiences, no matter how supernatural, must be judged against the written Word of God. To "try" means to put to the test for Biblical accuracy. The Bible is your only measure of truth. Without it, you would be easily deceived.
Scripture declares, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"{Hebrews 4:12}
Start using your bibles JW's-and come back to us using the Word of God..
Maximus69:


TRINITY only lives in the brains of brainwashed Churchgoers, it is not found anywhere in the scriptures so what you typed up there is your PERSONAL opinion my guy!
Just quote or cite a verse out of the 31,200 verses of this book called "Bible" that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!
If you can't then it simply means you and all your cohorts have been defrauded by Satan and his demons big time, what the Bible consistently say is
"In order to gain Salvation, everyone must believe that JESUS is God's Only begotten Son unbelievers who refuses to acknowledge this has been judged already so they will perish" John 3:16-18 smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Zzor(f): 11:02pm On Sep 14
Where is fake pastor johnw47
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:23pm On Sep 14
Zzor:
Where is fake pastor johnw47

so very duh lie lie rozz
you know where i am, you have been seeing my posts smiley

what you want fool




Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 1:03am On Sep 15
Zzor:
Where is fake pastor johnw47

most unintelligent lie lie rozz

i am neither a pastor or a fake pastor
girlie tatime and mad max have told you that lie
and you believe them, because like them, you love lies

you know from God's word that God hates lies, and that's why you satans mob keep repeating them
over and over again:

Joh 8:44  You come from your father, the devil, and you desire to do what your father wants you to do. The devil was a murderer from the beginning. He has never been truthful. He doesn't know what the truth is. Whenever he tells a lie, he's doing what comes naturally to him. He's a liar and the father of lies.

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:59am On Sep 15
brocab:
I was taught several different ways to teach the Bible including, topical where we discuss certain topics; expository, this is a verse by verse study; and Holy Spirit led where you just flow with the Holy Ghost.
Today I see preachers and teachers and cult's such as the JW's using experiences with little to no mention of Scripture.
This is dangerous. For disciples of Christ to discern supernatural experiences they must know the Word of God. Sais again, experiences, no matter how supernatural, must be judged against the written Word of God. To "try" means to put to the test for Biblical accuracy. The Bible is your only measure of truth. Without it, you would be easily deceived.
Scripture declares, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"{Hebrews 4:12}
Start using your bibles JW's-and come back to us using the Word of God..

Still no verse that says people must recognise Jesus as the one and only TRUE God!

Well we know TRINITY is your problem! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 6:32am On Sep 15
I have given you heaps of verses-but the problem is-not only are you blind to them-you can't understand them..
Maximus69:


Still no verse that says people must recognise Jesus as the one and only TRUE God!

Well we know TRINITY is your problem! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:58am On Sep 15
brocab:
I have given you heaps of verses-but the problem is-not only are you blind to them-you can't understand them..

Nobody can understand (including all your Pastors) as long as there is no verse that says specifically that "for people to be saved, they must recognize Jesus as the one and only TRUE God" cheesy

I presented to you Jesus' utterances himself, from the horses mouth!

John 3:16~ God love the world, he SENT his only begotten SON and added that people must believe in him not as God but God's Son!

Even God himself spoke from heaven! Matthew 17:5

That's why all your cohorts keep saying the doctrine of TRINITY is a mystery (illusion)! Revelations 17:5

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:21pm On Sep 16
Eagban:

These are translations of John 1:1 from different Bible societies...

¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 JUB
https://bible.com/bible/1077/jhn.1.1.JUB

In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 GNB
https://bible.com/bible/296/jhn.1.1.GNB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
John 1:1 YLT98
https://bible.com/bible/821/jhn.1.1.YLT98

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 ASV
https://bible.com/bible/12/jhn.1.1.ASV

In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
John 1:1 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/jhn.1.1.CEV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan (Jhn) 1:1 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/jhn.1.1.CJB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1.NASB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yochanan 1:1 WMB
https://bible.com/bible/1209/jhn.1.1.WMB

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 RSV
https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.1.1.RSV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.1.KJV. ..

And this is your own version of it :-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god(NWT).

How come all these Bible societies see God in capital letters and your translation committee didn't see it..?

And for your information I do not dislike the Jehovah's witnesses, I only dislike the disregard for the Mighty God(Jesus) Isaiah 9:6..


How come most of them remove God's name and substituted it with LORD, whereas it appeared thousands of times in the Bible.

If all of them are translating from an erroneous copy, and refuse to delve further into older manuscripts and consider whole context of how Jesus has been portrayed in different verses of the Bible.

Then it is not surprising.

If we leave out John 1:1, the Bible in too many places from the old to the new testified to the surbordinacy of Jesus to God, prophets said, angels said it, Jesus said, the apostles buttressed it, Paul expounded on it, it was also stated in the revelation.
"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him", this is the opening verse of John. Jesus is always sitting on the right hand of someone seated on the throne, he is always sent on errands by the one seated on the throne and you want to claim he is the same one seated on the throne...

Lai lai...the whole Bible teaches the supremacy and almightiness of the one seated on throne Jehovah.

This is no disrespect in any way to Jesus, because we are nothing without him, but without Jehovah everything and everybody both in heaven and on earth are less than nothing.
Don't get stuck on one disputed verse, look at the whole storyline.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:56pm On Sep 16
brocab:
The doctrine of the Trinity is the belief that there is one God who has revealed Himself in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons make up the one true God.
These three persons are of the same substance, equal in power and glory.
It is important we understand this doctrine because the wrong Jesus or the wrong God cannot save us from eternal death.
[Paul makes a clear warning of this in-{2 Corinthians 11:4}
The Bible clearly states that there is only one God. {Deuteronomy 6:4} states, “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.”
{Isaiah 44:6} states, “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me.”
Clearly, these verses reveal that there is only one God.
Yet, there are three separate persons in the Bible who are called God and have the characteristics only God can have.
The Trinity is a difficult concept to grasp, because we are finite beings trying to explain an infinite God who is beyond our understanding.
Let’s take a look at some verses that back up our doctrine of the Trinity. The Father is obviously called God as seen throughout the Bible. No one will argue that point. So there is one member of the Trinity, the Father. Jesus the Son, is a separate person but He is also called God.
{John 1:1} says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
{Titus 2:13} says, “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” So here we see clearly, the Son is also called God.
The Holy Spirit is also a separate person, and He is also called God. First, let us understand, the Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. He is a person and has the characteristics of a person. He can be grieved {Eph. 4:3} He speaks {Acts 13:2} and He can be lied to {Act 5:3-4}
{Acts 5:3-4} The Holy Spirit is called God, “But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?...You have not lied to men, but to God.’“
The proof is there-you deny the Word of God-you are denying Jesus is the way to the Father!!

We can talk about the doctrine and argue or discuss it, but he has not answered my question.
He made two statements, 1 on KJV, the 2nd on JW saying Jesus is not the way to God. Those are clear statements and he has refused to defend either.

First there is no mystery, Jesus a mighty God and surbordinate to Almighty Jehovah is no mystery at all. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, the beginning of the creation of God, then people want to equate him to Jehovah MBA MBA.

It is when you want to make them equal that you become mystified, because there are thousands of verses that will come at you and you won't be able to explain and you become mystified.

My question to you is can you show me in the Bible maybe like 5 places where Jehovah is said to depend on Jesus, or took instructions from him, or needed Jesus before he could do something.
You can check from Jesus prehuman existence, to when he was on earth and then to after his exaltation and power in heaven. Just a hint of that relationship like we have for Jesus where he cries to Jehovah, kneel before him, collects power from him, sits at Jehovah's right hand as otunba. You want to equate Otunba to Oba. Lai lai.

Then if Jesus has always been equal to God, when he became exalted and raised up by GOD, how come he never became higher than God. Remember Jesus has always been higher than all angels and humans before the exaltation. So why did he need to be raised up from his previous level, this new level should then be higher than Jehovah if they have been at par previously. It shows there are multiple levels of difference between Jesus and Jehovah from creation, Jesus was taken to a higher level and he is still lower than Jehovah.
Every knee has been bowing before Jehovah from time immemorial, but now Jesus has been added to that level. Every knee must bow before Jesus, he didn't have that privilege before, and Jesus knees still bows to Jehovah. Jehovah bows before no one.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 3:12pm On Sep 16
brocab:
There's plenty of evidence to prove you deny Jesus-"the time you wake up in the morning until bed time-you didn't claim Jesus as your Lord and savour-every time you come as Jehovah Witnesses-you are claiming to be God's witnesses, you only declare-God's name, Jehovah" denying Jesus at the same time.
We come to you in Jesus name-and you reject us for claiming Jesus is..
The Father had given Jesus all His authority-Christ died for us-and still you deny His name-claiming Jehovah's name will save us..

No we don't claim him as our lord and savior, we claim him as our househelp.
So didn't Jesus come to declare God's name, and make his name known to all..is that not what Jesus said he came to do...now you are castigating us for following in his footsteps.
The whole chapter of John 17 was about that

I have made your name known to them and will make it known...Jesus said

Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name..

How does declaring God's name mean you are denying Jesus, was Jesus denying himself when he said he came to declare God's name.
Malachi 3v16
Then they that feared Jehovah spake one with another; and Jehovah hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before him, for them that feared Jehovah, and that thought upon his name.

Oga please fear Jehovah and think upon his name, speak about it to one another. Join us in doing so.
Shey you have seen what happens to those who do so.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 7:20am On Sep 19
maximus 69 and tatime accounts are deleted

good news for the truth @ nairaland forums

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Zzor(f): 11:30am On Sep 19
johnw47:
maximus 69 and tatime accounts are deleted
good news for the truth @ nairaland forums

are You sure

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:34am On Sep 19
Zzor:
are You sure

unintelligent lie ie rozz, u so so duh, laughing

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 4:08pm On Sep 19
MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69 RIP in Nairaland heavens
cc: Fyi, Blabbermouth, Image123, Acehart, kkins25, Dtruthseeker, TATIME, Janosky, DappaD

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:35pm On Sep 19
^^ MuttleyLaff

what probably happened:
maximus69 got bit by bot bug like some others have, and had posts deleted
and he said to tatime: this forum has become anti jw forum deleting my posts to those christians
lets get out of this satanic place, and they deleted their accounts

they forever full of mis information, right up to deleting their accounts over it, funny



another scenario:
maximus69 complained with wolf tongue to admin
for deleting his posts, and had his account deleted
and tatime deleted his account in sympathy, and to join the much badly done by max in nairaland exile
laughing


another scenario:
you guys have been killing them false jw's in threads

smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by kapelvej: 12:36am On Sep 20
Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.
christianity is not by big words and arguement. In the beginning was the word and the word was God
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 8:10am On Sep 20
johnw47:
^^ MuttleyLaff

what probably happened:
maximus69 got bit by bot bug like some others have, and had posts deleted
and he said to tatime: this forum has become anti jw forum deleting my posts to those christians
lets get out of this satanic place, and they deleted their accounts

they forever full of mis information, right up to deleting their accounts over it, funny



another scenario:
maximus69 complained with wolf tongue to admin
for deleting his posts, and had his account deleted
and tatime deleted his account in sympathy, and to join the much badly done by max in nairaland exile
laughing


another scenario:
you guys have been killing them false jw's in threads

smiley




I'm sorry...but, you're not intelligent sir.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 8:45am On Sep 20
haddeylium:


I'm sorry...but, you're not intelligent sir.

OK, then show me your sav, and tell me what you think probably happened

my guess is that you are a upset false jw
smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:08am On Sep 20
yes my guess was right haddey, you are a
pharisee hypercritical false jw


haddeylium:


You see how a clown you make yourself


Peace be unto you


u not intelligent, ay
smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 11:20am On Sep 20
johnw47:


OK, then show me your sav, and tell me what you think probably happened

my guess is that you are a upset false jw
smiley


I don't know what happened
it would be immature on my part creating a fake scenerio of what I think
I can't say the say the same for you tho
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:51am On Sep 20
haddeylium:



I don't know what happened
it would be immature on my part creating a fake scenerio of what I think
I can't say the say the same for you tho

like I said haddey, you are a hypercritical, unintelligent and upset pharisee false jw
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Zzor(f): 1:10pm On Sep 20
johnw47:


like I said haddey, you are a hypercritical, unintelligent and upset pharisee false jw

why are you always fighting people everywhere,you this fake pastor johnw47,repent from your evil ways Mr fake wealthy pastor
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 2:11pm On Sep 20
kapelvej:
christianity is not by big words and arguement. In the beginning was the word and the word was God
and humans are GODS too . Says the bible

If u can't learn to draw the line... That's your problem .
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Acehart: 2:47pm On Sep 20
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Hey Muttley. Thanks for your messages. I still find it difficult maneuvering many things on NL; I couldn’t open your mail because of this difficulty. I’m replying Sermwell on this response and I hope the iRobot doesn’t eat my effort.




Sermwell, I grew up hearing these very words of Samuel Smiles: “He who never made a mistake never made a discovery”. In the same vein, Marva Collins said: “If you can’t make a mistake, you can’t make anything”. As I got older, I learned of the many times Thomas Edison failed on his way to developing many devices that ushered in the era of electric power generation, mass communication, sound recording, and motion pictures. For, over a decade, the two Stephens – Wozniak and Jobs, failed in their attempt to revolutionizing the personal computer experience until they invented the iPod and the iPhone, devices many consider to be the greatest gadgets ever. What could be the cause of these failures that come before discovery?

Upon the creation of man, the Creators of man said: “Let us make man…after our likeness”. Could the failure of these great inventors be linked to their being made in the “Likeness” of God? In Genesis 6:6, we see Jehovah God expressing grief at the failing of the best of his inventions – man, when He inspired Moses to write these words: “And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth”. When He saw this invention wasn’t working according to “design”, He started again with the flood that wiped off everything on the face of the earth (except Noah and his household). Is this failure? It seemed like what Thomas Edison said in an interview to his lab:” I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work”.

But one would ask: Why would an “All-knowing”, “All-powerful” God, make such a creature which exposes some form of “weakness” in Him? The secret to fathoming what was in God’s mind is to see that there is an emotion and strain behind the poser: “Let us make man…after our likeness”.

Many women around the world have both breasts surgically removed as a precaution against breast cancer; many people around the world have made the decision not to be married because they think do not think they would great parents. Despite the best advice from doctors, many women decide against mastectomy; and many people go ahead to have children even when there is every indication that they would be good fathers or great mothers; and even for great parents, having “sane” children is not a guarantee. Then the worst happens: The woman whose breasts are ravaged by cancer fights tooth and nail to save her life; the woman whose son is charged with murder, fights for the life of her son; with tears in her eyes, she claims she is the one who committed the crime so that she can keep her son out of the penitentiary; both displaying the best attribute in the hearts of men – the act of redemption.

Of all the creatures and possessions of God, only man has the power of choice. In other to enforce the man’s ability to choose or free-will, Satan was made. For had God not made Satan, man would not have free-will and would be like the rest of the creatures of God. (This is not to say God created sin; sin is the perverting the ability to choose; and evil is the consequence of sin). When man falls, the best attribute of God is elicited – the act of redemption. Every time man fails, God seems to say: “The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time”.

When those words in Genesis 1:26 were spoken, courage were behind those words; had the Creators of men buckled at the idea of making such a creature that had the capacity to be beyond control, then God is not “All-mighty”; that crown should be given to “fear”.

When one says an invention has been made, it means the device has reached a state of perfection. Until man reaches a state of perfection, Satan will abide; for this reason, Christ Jesus came so that man can reach the state of perfection.

The perfection of man marks the expiration of Satan.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 3:00pm On Sep 20
Acehart, why is your post above hidden? What did you type? How did you compose the post?

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