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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 10:19am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Your God and Muslim God don't punish people for being wicked ONLY. In fact, the basic reason for punishment in Christianity is the rejection of Christ (in biblical concept). Not believing in Allah and Muhammad is the basis of eternal hell in Islam. Thus, it does not matter if you are not wicked. It does not matter if you are the best in terms of goodness. What sane God punish people for eternity based on such subjective concept. Secondly, even I don't support eternal hell for Hitler. He should be punished, but not for eternity. So, I'm more good and more reasonable than the way your scripture declscribe God 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Nobody: 10:20am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Image123:Why won't I whine? Every goddamned day idiots go around with speakers disturbing the peace with repent and the sort. Everyday they meet you on the road with their damned messages and the sort. You guys disturb people good enough but when we logically scrutinise your God it becomes a problem. Buddhists don't go around disturbing people, if you need to know about Buddhism you meet a monk simple. Abrahamists self ehn. 1 Like |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 10:25am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: One simple question sir? Why would your God punish me with eternal hell for not believing that jesus died for my sin. Note: I never rape, I never kill, I never stole, I never committed any obvious BIG Sin. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Nobody: 10:26am On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz:I just tire. I understand that religion is a basis for a whole lot of people's morals and it actually acts as a pain reliever to know someone's got your back even Nietzsche said it in his book "Gay Science" (not yet read it though) but what annoys me is that they make it seem like we are the scum of the earth which pisses me off. Because I logically scrutinise your god and found out he doesn't exist I become an enemy. I might bed one day and just decide to live in a socialist country because these religious apologists have tire me. 2 Likes |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 10:28am On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Aha Sams why you Lie? Or did you not read that CAPSLOCKED was the one who raised the issue of people both christians and atheist suffering in Nigeria, which Caused my movement to "God allows evil people to enjoy wealth"? See, now, you are a Liar, and here is the Proof of your Lie, see below. CAPSLOCKED: |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 10:31am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: According to your doctrine, are atheists evil or not? Yes they're. No they're not. Answer. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 11:06am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: God Has Never Punished Anyone for not taking hold of His Son, but what God is against, is the doing of wickedness, in any form and manner, done in any place and time, and to any person animal, place or thing. That is what God said that He shall judge and measure the weight and gravity of them all, when He is Ready To Hold Court and Dispense Just Justice, Fairness, Equality and Balance. Xmuslim: Are you sure? Do you know that when you wished you could kill a certain person, you have killed him, for did you not slash and stab or shoot him in your mind? Did you not hear that God Saw all that you did and that by His Books, you have just killed? You never steal! Ok you must have heard of covetousness! Have you never seen another man's Beautiful Wife, and oh, how you wished she was yours, and how you said that the man does not deserve such a woman, and that if it was you, oh what wonderful things you would do to her and with her and how she shall have the best orgasm and sex ever, after all, your present wife and girlfriends can attest to your prowess, all these, you did in your mind? Remember, God saw you do all these things to her husband and her, so let's see what your record is going to be like, with Him. 1) Obviously Adultery for taking another man's wife. 2) Coveting Another man's wife by taking her from him and depriving her from him. 3) Stealing, because the man did not give you his wife willingly and You Know that he will never give you his wife, so you took her by force. 4) Rape, for all those your bedding skills that you did to her, You Did Them Without Her Consent and Acceptance. 5) killing, for you would have to kill the man to take his wife. All these Done before the Eyes of God. So tell me, if little me can see all these things that you have done, how then can you truly say that you have done none of these things? And how can you stand guiltless before Him Who saw All that You Did? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 11:24am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: By your analysis of seing someone wife and have a desire and so on. It means your God is too harsh and it means we are all going to hell. Muslim God only record a sin after you have actually committed it. Also, do you believe I can make eternal bliss without believing jesus died for my sin? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 11:25am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Who will now hold your god accountable for his sins? 1 Like
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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 11:26am On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Besides, you're yet to answer my question. Are atheists evil or not. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Image123(m): 12:00pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Image123(m): 12:02pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Ausrichie: In other words, you are no different. i'm yet to see the logical scrutiny. All i see is frustration and gnashing of teeth mixed with some mockery from clowns. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:10pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Yes indeed, that is why we cried, "aaah! No one can enter then, to Christ. And The Lord said, "yes, it is impossible for any man" But, God has made a way for us to enter. And that Way is What Christ was Teaching Us. How we Must take hold of our souls, how we Must conduct ourselves in every situation Knowing and Seeing that God Sees Everything. And that if we successfully do all these things He Taught, we shall surely escape hell! Xmuslim: If you do all these things which I have mentioned above that you must be aware of and you Jump over All those Pit Falls I showed you above, You Done What Christ said You Must Do, Therefore, You Accepted His Suggestions and If you have Accepted His Suggestions, You have Accepted Him and if you have Accepted Him, then You have Believed Him and if you have Believed Him, Then You Must have Eternal Bliss, Just as He said. That is What Believe in Christ Means! It is an Inseparable Chain of Conducts. And Many many Christians Do Not Keep this Chain, hence their Short Cut Attempt to explain what believe in Christ Means. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:19pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: At the end of the day, no one is saved if he doesn't believe jesus died for his sin . I guess I'm a member of the Christian's God hell fire because I can never accept such illogical concept. I can never accept that God cannot forgive me unless I believe his son died on the cross for my sin and the sin Adam committed which I inherit. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:21pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz: 1 Like |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:26pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Sssh! Why do you say that, do you want to die? Do you not see that there is No One Who Can Challenge Him or Even Judge Him? Nor is there any one who go even beat Am or Kill Am! Besides, until He is Dethroned, would it not be preferable to try to escape His Own Wrath, just as you try to avoid your Ogas Wahala in your office? Even though for me, I have not seen anything that He has done is wrong and that He is not supposed to do. All that He has done, you do the same too among yourselves, so why do you complain, when he does to you, that which you do? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:29pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: . Lmao |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:32pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Gbam! This is where our difference is apparent. While you fear the God of the Bible, we are willing to take the risk of not being afraid of him. Obviously you're only trying to play safe, not that you're happy with the way he operate Do you know why we are that bold? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 12:35pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Seems like you serve this your god because you're scared of punishment. Until he's dethroned from where/what? The imaginary throne humans created in their minds? Even though for me, I have not seen anything that He has done is wrong You don't see anything wrong in genocide? Tells a lot about you. 1 Like
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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 12:37pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: You've been silent. Why are you avoiding my question? According to your scriptures, are atheists evil or not? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:37pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Now, at least you agree that you are a Liar cos I never said "no one is saved if he doesn't believe jesus died for his sin", It is You who said it!. And you could say anything you want without making a reference to me and attributing False Statements which I did not make, to me. This is wrong, please do not do it to me. You can say all you wish to say without the need to resort to Falsehoods! |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:38pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Truespeak We are very bold because we believe Bible and Qur'an are man made. Until you realise this, you will continue to be afraid of the imaginary gods of both religion. If God exist, definitely he is not the author of Bible and Qur'an 2 Likes |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:41pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: Apologies if I misunderstood you. The summary of your write up is that jesus is the way, because it is impossible for us to please God on our own. What does that imply? What are Jesus's suggestions to eternal bliss? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:45pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: You, wish to stand and challenge Him, the stage is set for you, I will not Join You. I will be in my House and continue to Carry Out His Commands and do His biddings. You carry on with your coup and rebellion! I no dey. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:47pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: If you are bold, you are bold for yourself. Me, I no dey there! |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 12:49pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
Xmuslim: He doesn't really love his god, he's just scared of him. More like a slave being scared of his wicked master. 2 Likes |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by atheistandproud(m): 12:51pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz: No bother. He'll shift the goal posts again |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by kingxsamz(m): 12:52pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
atheistandproud: He has contradicted himself, he just doesn't know how to come out of it, so he ignores. |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by atheistandproud(m): 12:52pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak: YHWH is a toothless old lion. Even the tribe of Judah doesn't want a powerless figment of someone's imagination. See... I'm still breathing. 1 Like
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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by truespeak: 12:53pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Thank God that you have accepted that please no lying! So your question "Are atheists evil or not" Why do you want my opinion? Do you not know the difference between good and evil? |
Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by atheistandproud(m): 12:53pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
I'm still breathing 2 Likes
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Re: The Futility Of Prayers And Trying To "Change God's Mind" by Xmuslim: 12:53pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
truespeak:I love you man. You are humorous. You have my respect for expressing the main reason why you are not like us. No mind us, we'll be many in the fire, so it will be fun |
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