cornelboy:
you are right bro, when one believes in Trinity, he/she remains confused.

That's why i keep telling whoever wants to listen among them to first point out the evidence of Jesus' presence in their midst, at least Jesus is now a spirit person just as he was when he worked with God from the beginning {Proverbs 8:22-31} so if he's part of a Trinity as Trinitarians are claiming, let them point to a Trinitarian group amongst whom PEACE reigns!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace, so peace supposed to excel in the midst of his true followers! Isaiah 9:6 compare to John 14:27

There is no need for arguments, the correct key (WISDOM) should open the door to peace if they truthfully have it! Luke 7:35

cornelboy:
Jesus and GOD are one in purpose and have perfect unity. Pls read John 17 all through.

OK,
Thanks

Janosky:


[s]John 4:24 "God is a Spirit".

John 4:24, God is how many Spirits ?"



Yahweh is NOT His holy spirit. Holy spirit is NOT a person. NEVER!

Numbers 11:25
And Yahweh came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

First, the word translated "itself'' in Romans 8:26 is "pneuma'' which means "spirit." (Since the "spirit" is like air (Genesis 1:7, John 3: we use the word "pneumatic' ' to describe things that are air operated.) In Greek every word has its own distinct gender, masculine, feminine or neuter. Masculine gender is denoted by the article "o," feminine by "a," and neuter by "to.'' The word for spirit, "pneuma" is neuter, a fact which is known to even first year Greek language students. Thus, the King James Bible correctly translates pneuma "itself" because it would be grammatically incorrect to translate it "himself" as many of today's inferior translations do. [/b]Since critics of the King James Bible like to deride it for pretended "mistranslations " of the Greek, it seems hypocritical indeed to criticize it here for properly translating the Greek. Then to add insult to ignorance they laud other versions such as the New American Standard Version, New International Version, and New King James Version which INCORRECTLY render pneuma as "himself."



Thirdly, and m
Jesus Christ NEVER taught that CRAP you're dishing out[/s]

'it' is also used for babies, does that also mean they are not persons?

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a 'He'.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


The Holy Ghost can be lied to,

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The Holy Ghost speaks,

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Ghost witness,

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,




These are all characters of a person

solite3:
'it' is also used for babies, does that also mean they are not persons?

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a 'He'.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


The Holy Ghost can be lied to,

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The Holy Ghost speaks,

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Ghost witness,

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,




These are all characters of a person

Continue living in denial and DECEIVE YOURSELF

Pneuma meaning wind , breath, spirit' is in fact a neuter ..
John 20:22
Then he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit
The WAYO man is claiming Jesus breathe a living being into his followers.
Romans 8:26 the spirit itself.. go tear am komot from your Bible

Numbers 11:26 what did Yahweh give the seventy Elders?
Yahweh gave it, his spirit to the elders.



Your radio /TV speaks, it has speakers.
Is your radio/TV a person?


1 Corinthians 15:56 death has a sting and even gets victories , is death a person?

Romans 7:11," sin seduced Paul" , is sin a person?

Forklift is your "helper" in seaports, is the forklift a person?

Your newspaper reported that Bubu is 9jas President, is newspaper a person?

Jesus sits at his Father's right hand ,if your ghost exists, where does it sit ?

Janosky:

Continue living in denial and DECEIVE YOURSELF

Pneuma meaning wind , breath, spirit' is in fact a neuter ..
John 20:22
Then he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit
The WAYO man is claiming Jesus breathe a living being into his followers.
Romans 8:26 the spirit itself.. go tear am komot from your Bible

Numbers 11:26 what did Yahweh give the seventy Elders?
Yahweh gave it, his spirit to the elders.

clown, Jesus is called the word of God, because Jesus is called the word then he is not a person?
The Holy Spirit is called the breathe of God same way Jesus is called the word of God.

Your radio /TV speaks, it has speakers.
Is your radio/TV a person?


1 Corinthians 15:56 death has a sting and even gets victories , is death a person?

Romans 7:11," sin seduced Paul" , is sin a person?

Forklift is your "helper" in seaports, is the forklift a person?

Your newspaper reported that Bubu is 9jas President, is newspaper a person?

Jesus sits at his Father's right hand ,if your ghost exists, where does it sit ?

Radio does not speak, neither does forklift help.
people attribute the characteristics of a living thing to them.
same thing with news paper reporting news,

Paul simply describe the effect of sin in him in Romans 7:11.



Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Ghost spake using the term 'me' which is a personal pronoun.

Does your radio, news paper, forklift speak and calls itself me? clown.

Has it ever being reported that death and sin spoke and called themselves me?

By the way God is said to fill the heavens does that mean God is a non living thing?

Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.


The book of acts is not like the book of proverbs that uses various poetry and figure of speech, so your submissions are aughable and at best a mockery.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The Lord and his Spirit are sending someone,
can a non personal entity send another person a message? note it did not say the Lord sent me through his spirit but rather the Lord and his Spirit.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would not speak of himself but of him,
can a non personal being speak of itself?
if the Holy Spirit is not a person then Jesus statement would not make any sense.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would not speak of himself but of him,
can a non personal being speak of himself?
if the Holy Spirit is not a person then Jesus statement would not make any sense.

JESUS HANDS OVER THE RULERSHIP OVER GOD'S PEOPLE TO GOD. He will subject himself under God at the end. God will be all in all Check this verses out: 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." [3] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Trinity is biblically baseless.

Trinity is doctrine created by man, just like so many other doctrines that make up Christianity today.

solite3:
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would not speak of himself but of him,
can a non personal being speak of himself?
if the Holy Spirit is not a person then Jesus statement would not make any sense.

after Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit(HS) came down on him, you think another being of the Godhead filled him No, the HS is like a form of power of God, not a seperate being.

There are 3 persons. But one God

1.God the father_ the almighty. Everything comes from him.
2.God the Son- Jesus . Works for the father's will. Earned his position and the father gave him authority. So at the mention of his name , God answers you. Everything he ever asked for was granted as he earned his authority by taking up the cross.
3. God the holy spirit _ This is the spirit of God at work in the life of those who accepted his son. He is ominipresent and carries out the will of the father. Those who accept the son rely on it to function and understand God better.

You can see all is linked to the father. All working for the same purpose which is God the fathers'

Roseey0:
There are 3 persons. But one God

1.God the father_ the almighty. Everything comes from him.
2.God the Son- Jesus . Works for the father's will. Earned his position and the father gave him authority. So at the mention of his name , God answers you. Everything he ever asked for was granted as he earned his authority by taking up the cross.
3. God the holy spirit _ This is the spirit of God at work in the life of those who accepted his son. He is ominipresent and carries out the will of the father. Those who accept the son rely on it to function and understand God better.

You can see all is linked to the father. All working for the same purpose which is God the fathers'

Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth...every Word that comes out of the mouth ofGod. The truth of God

Roseey0:
There are 3 persons. But one God

1.God the father_ the almighty. Everything comes from him.
2.God the Son- Jesus . Works for the father's will. Earned his position and the father gave him authority. So at the mention of his name , God answers you. Everything he ever asked for was granted as he earned his authority by taking up the cross.
3. God the holy spirit _ This is the spirit of God at work in the life of those who accepted his son. He is ominipresent and carries out the will of the father. Those who accept the son rely on it to function and understand God better.

You can see all is linked to the father. All working for the same purpose which is God the fathers'

you are right...but where you got it wrong was the concept of Trinity that you used.
Nowhere in the Bible will you see "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit".
It's is clear that we have only one God who is the Father. John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Revelations 1:5-6. Pls read these verses and understand.
Our GOD, the Father is not "three in one" or "one in three". He's the one through God.

cornelboy:
JESUS HANDS OVER THE RULERSHIP OVER GOD'S PEOPLE TO
GOD. He will subject himself under God at the end. God will be
all in all Check this verses out: 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 "Then
the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God
the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and
power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies
under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27
For he "has put everything under his feet." [3] Now when it
says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that
this does not include God himself, who put everything under
Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be
made subject to him who put everything under him, so that
God may be all in all.


Trinity is biblically baseless.

How can you call something you don't even understand baseless?

cornelboy:
after Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit(HS) came down on him, you think another being of the Godhead filled him No, the HS is like a form of power of God, not a seperate being.

see here you don't even know what trinity is, what are you refuting?

Trinity simply state that there is only one being, God but this God exist in three persons.
The Holy Spirit, The word and the Father are actually one being God.

cornelboy:
you are right...but where you got it wrong was the concept of Trinity that you used.
Nowhere in the Bible will you see "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit".
It's is clear that we have only one God who is the Father. John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Revelations 1:5-6. Pls read these verses and understand.
Our GOD, the Father is not "three in one" or "one in three". He's the one through God.

same way Jesus is the only Lord, does that mean the father is not Lord?

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 17vv3, Yes the father is the only true God among other gods but Jehovah witness think this means Jesus is not God however the distinction Jesus made was between The Father and other gods, not between the father and other members of the trinity because the father , the Son and the HG are one God.

solite3:
How can you call something you don't even understand baseless?

You that is talking, do you even understand what your trinity god demands of you?

solite3:
same way Jesus is the only Lord, does that mean the father is not Lord?

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 17vv3, Yes the father is the only true God among other gods but Jehovah witness think this means Jesus is not God however the distinction Jesus made was between The Father and other gods, not between the father and other members of the trinity because the father , the Son and the HG are one God.

tell me one verse in the Bible that says Jesus and God are one God Or where the Apostles in their Epistles talk about "three in one" or "one in three".

solite3:
see here you don't even know what trinity is, what are you refuting?

Trinity simply state that there is only one being, God but this God exist in three persons.
The Holy Spirit, The word and the Father are actually one being God.

but the Bible says "one God in one person" who is the Father

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

Of course they won't study the Bible to get the true meaning of things. They prefer latching on to what ever their pastors tell them is right without seeing whether those things are actually so.

Now just watch how the clowns claiming their god is a trinity would be defending it on this thread
You're in for an interesting ride though
They claim that their Holy Ghost gives them the same guidance but all of them can't come to a proper definition of their trinity god.

I've already observed trinitarian say:
“God is a 3-in-1”

I've also seen another definition of this trinity on this same thread by another trinitarian:
“God is not a 3-in-1 but one God”

So which of these definitions should we take now? Which of their Holy Ghosts is lying?

See, these people just want to twist facts and Bible truths that can easily be understood upon study. Now give a thought to what Paul wrote in this first and second letter to Timothy

“However, the inspired word[the Bible] clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons,” 1Timothy 4:1

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” 2Timothy 4:3,4

And all of this is evident when we see these people trying to twist Bible truths to support their own agenda.

solite3:
How can you call something you don't even understand baseless?

you think you understand, but really you are far from the biblical truth.

In Revelation 4 an 5, who sits on the throne, is it the Trinity or the Father
Who is the Lamb

solite3:
same way Jesus is the only Lord, does that mean the father is not Lord?

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 17vv3, Yes the father is the only true God among other gods but Jehovah witness think this means Jesus is not God however the distinction Jesus made was between The Father and other gods, not between the father and other members of the trinity because the father , the Son and the HG are one God.

there is only one God, the Father, no double meaning.

cornelboy:
there is only one God, the Father, no double meaning.

Just ask him to explain Psalm 110:1 and then sit back and watch the drama

DappaD:


Of course they won't study the Bible to get the true meaning of things. They prefer latching on to what ever their pastors tell them is right without seeing whether those things are actually so.

Now just watch how the clowns claiming their god is a trinity would be defending it on this thread
You're in for an interesting ride though
They claim that their Holy Ghost gives them the same guidance but all of them can't come to a proper definition of their trinity god.

I've already observed trinitarian say:
“God is a 3-in-1”

I've also seen another definition of this trinity on this same thread by another trinitarian:
“God is not a 3-in-1 but one God”

So which of these definitions should we take now? Which of their Holy Ghosts is lying?

See, these people just want to twist facts and Bible truths that can easily be understood upon study. Now give a thought to what Paul wrote in this first and second letter to Timothy

“However, the inspired word[the Bible] clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons,” 1Timothy 4:1

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” 2Timothy 4:3,4

And all of this is evident when we see these people trying to twist Bible truths to support their own agenda.

some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

cornelboy:
some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

the Bible is so clear about this, one God Almighty period.

DappaD:


Just ask him to explain Psalm 110:1 and then sit back and watch the drama

Yeah, I know that verse. But they will still be "head-strong".

cornelboy:
some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

People who really want to do God's will should stick to the truth of the Bible and not manufactured doctrines/spurious addition. It is very vital that one should come to know the truth now, because that's how one can have everlasting life. (John 17:3)

Jehovah God is clearly identified as the Most High over all the whole earth (Psalm 83:18)

Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:31-33)

Any other addition to this is trash!

Trinitarians say God and Jesus are co-equal, are they really co-equal Acts 2:36, God made Jesus both our Lord and Saviour. In another verse, "he was exalted to the right hand of God". Also, all powers were given unto him. Also, he was annointed by God, Hebrew 1:9. In another, he will be made subjected to God at the end, 1 Corinth 15:24-28. 1 Corinth. 11:3, "God is the head of Christ".


Could God and Jesus be CO-EQUAL as Trinitarians say

DappaD:


People who really want to do God's will should stick to the truth of the Bible and not manufactured doctrines/spurious addition. It is very vital that one should come to know the truth now, because that's how one can have everlasting life. (John 17:3)

Jehovah God is clearly identified as the Most High over all the whole earth (Psalm 83:18)

Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:31-33)

Any other addition to this is trash!

I'm not a JW but I agree with you bcause it's the Biblical truth.

Jesus is a God, but not the Almighty GOD, YAHWEH.

cornelboy:
I'm not a JW but I agree with you bcause it's the Biblical truth.

Jesus is a God, but not the Almighty GOD, YAHWEH.

God is supreme over all, He is all in all.

cornelboy:
the Bible is so clear about this, one God Almighty period.

Yes! Jehovah is God Almighty (El Shaddai) Genesis 17:1

Another scripture that is favoured by trinitarians is Isaiah 9:6. In that scripture, Isaiah was prophesying about Jesus as King of God's Kingdom. And there referred to Jesus as the “Mighty God” (El Gibbor)

But note however, “El Shaddai” is designated only to Jehovah! So when trinitarians argue about Isaiah 9:6, they do so because they don't have the full facts and understanding.

cornelboy:
God is supreme over all, He is all in all.

1Corinthians 15:28