Blabbermouth:

Yeah, if Nairaland has a voice note feature, this discussion might have ended at page 8.
Peterrio, did you read the thread from 1 - 16?

Peterrio:


I read 1,2, 15 and 16

Peterrio:


I read 1,2, 15 and 16

Blabbermouth:

Awwwnnn, you missed the fireworks.
What say ye, Does God really know the future?
PS: The strength to drag the discussion on and on has finished, but I do hope I learn few or a lot of things from your view.

Peterrio:
Does God know the future?
Or Can God tell if one is going to be condemned or not?

So far I have seen four (4) different interesting viewpoints to the matter:

1. God knows everything, absolutely everything, including whether you will be condemned or not

2. God can choose not to foreknow certain information

3. God doesn't know everything, he only knows some big events and a few special individuals

4. God doesn't actually foreknow anything, whatever it seems that he foreknows actually is prophesied into being, or declared into being

Please add yours

Blabbermouth:

Awwwnnn, you missed the fireworks.
What say ye, Does God really know the future?
PS: The strength to drag the discussion on and on has finished, but I do hope I learn few or a lot of things from your view.

Peterrio:


Please direct me to the fireworks, I just hope its not all sentimental argument, without logic

I need to know the firework pages

Peterrio:


Personally I feel that the idea of God has so many exaggerations to it

I would say that he doesn't actually foreknow every single detail

But he certainly knows some big future events and a few special individuals

But beyond that, he doesn't know if you will finally stick with good or evil, you're free to choose any

But there are guys, in my opinion, that are stuck with good, predestined that way

Blabbermouth:

Ohhh, do go through page 7-10.

Why? What's limiting Him?

Examples sir. Examples of;
1. The big future events and a few special individuals which God know of.
2. An Example of the above which is 100% independent of God's orchestration /declaration

With the use of the subjective word "IF" and a lot of "warnings, fatherly advises, Godly advises"that the Almighty himself used all over the old testament and Jesus still use till today, I believe you are not wrong.

Different folks will surely have minute differences in doctrination.

Peterrio:


So, I personally believe he knows ALL things to come

But I can't say what's actually limiting him

Peterrio:


Personally I feel that the idea of God has so many exaggerations to it

I would say that he doesn't actually foreknow every single detail

God certainly knows some big future events and faithful individuals

But beyond that, he doesn't know if you will finally stick with good or evil, you're free to choose any

[But there are guys, in my opinion, that are stuck with good, predestined that way because their hearts always becomes heavy with guilts anytime evil thoughts ran through them

Peterrio:
Maybe because we are free willed, plus I feel a lot of happenings in the universe are automated, he can't actually tell ALL exact future events CORRECTLY

Peterrio:
Big future events like the fall of Babylon, medes and Persia, etc

Select individuals like prophet Jeremiah (not fufeyin), Jesus birth and life, Etc

AkinwaleJJ:


God knows the type of future he's planning [Jere 29:11] and he can fish out people who already have that type of thinking, but as for others he's working towards inviting them to reason along! Isai 1:18

Blabbermouth:

Don't you think this makes Him appear less, you know, Divine and Omni-everything?

Ps: Do take your time and go through the pages whenever you are chanced.

AkinwaleJJ:


God knows the type of future he's planning [Jere 29:11] and he can fish out people who already have that type of thinking, but as for others he's working towards inviting them to reason along! Isai 1:18

DeusXmachina:
I for one do not know the future, but if I have sufficient data on the present and past, I can compute and make predictions of the future within a certain margin of error.

Blabbermouth:

If we will have to talk about this, we will have to quake into a lot of deep things. However, you still are wrong with your misconceptions.

You didn't pay attention to so many things.

What will happen depends on God.

Do a brief research on the word "World".

The account of the Garden of Eden was far more than eating a forbidden fruit and merrying with disobedience.

The Devil principally tempted two persons
1. The First Adam (although it was indirect)
2. The Second Adam (Jesus Christ)
Both were necessary, the first disappointed, the second overcame! God knew and He permitted it (for a very big cause) in both cases.

You should define " Time " from;
1. Man's Standpoint
2. God's Standpoint

Subconsciously, you don't want to go further any longer, no problem.
Your belief or disbelief in the existence of an account of the future has little to zero salvation value, so I won't press further, I do hope that you receive a more complete revelation than the one I have on this matter.
It (this discussion and its essence) is a tool that was meant to aid in deep quaking of truths that have been a mystery for long.
It is well sir Shadeyinka, I rest my case.

Peterrio:


That you know the present and the past doesn't mean you can accurately predict the future, life isn't a straight line graph or any simple curve

DeusXmachina:
I

But on a serious note, if the Christian God is indeed all knowing of the future, this creates a lot problems. Such as freewill being a lie and the goodness and benevolence of this God coming into question.

Peterrio:


Freewill for example doesn't equate OMNIPOTENT

we are only free to pick from a list of options

God didn't know for sure that humans would pick evil over good

But he definitely knew the probability was there that humans would pick evil over good

DeusXmachina:

"Within a margin of error"
Never said it will always be accurate.

shadeyinka:

Time from Man's point of view:
Time is the measure of interval between two or more physical events.
Time from God's point of view:
Is Meaningless or Irrelevant
2Pt3:8
8 Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Time isn't meaningless or irrelevant, a comparison is made here, making time to remain meaningful

A day in the life of a HUMAN is like a thousand years in the life of a MAYFLY

DeusXmachina:

Fair enough.

But it still implies a limited freewill, if one can only choose from a list of options.

Peterrio:


The reason why data science and big data is tied to artificial intelligence is because there's need for a whole lot of data

Peta and exabytes of data

I seriously doubt that all of humanity combined knows 20% of our own human history

We aren't sure of up to 20% of our own human history

Its basically an impossibility to have any margin of error that is considered worthwhile

DeusXmachina:

Well more isolated phenomenon like weather with data constantly being collected by satellites and ground instruments. The predictably of that has gone remarkably up in the past few years with an 80% accuracy for a 7 day forecast and 90% on 5 day forecasts.

But it comes down to some limitations, for example if the data on the position and speed of subatomic particles were attainable. Physicists would hold certain knowledge of the future, but as it turns out the physics limits such a thing, were one can obtain the speed of a particular particle, but never it's position and vice versa, because the very act of observation affects the particle and causes change in it's position or speed.

And the human world is far too complex to obtain every single possible data on it.