Xavfra:



I.dont know if I should insult you or.....

Carry this white MF out of here....when he brings peace to the middle east where he comes from,he should then go and sleep

solite3:
Dont get blinded by tribal sentiment. The truth knows no colour.
It is either God or the devil there is no middle ground.
God has open the door for all nations of the earth to be saved.
Dont let satan keep you out from God's grace by using, tribe or gender.
Jesus died for you all, listen God has flung the gate of eternal life open to all who will come to Jesus.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

solite3:
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Jesus hung for atleast three hours in pains and sorrow carrying your sins on himself so that you could escape that unfortunate fate of eternity in the lake of fire.

He died in plains for your soul, so that hell will not take hold on your soul

solite3:
I will be happy to be insulted for Jesus sake. There can not be peace in this world not only the middle east until humans turn to the true God.

Isaiah 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

It is a personal decision

solite3:


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

sonmvayina:

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PAGAN9JA:



Good point. The makeshift Igbo shrines erected today have lost the essence because they don't utilize native craftsmanship and symbolism as the meanings and skills behind the carvings are forgotten although they still exist in the memories of elders and in colonial accounts.

So to revive them one must compile information from the elders before they pass away. It is of utmost importance. In cognisance with existing legitimate Dbias and interested youth.

Also our religious artefacts need to be brought back from foreign collectors for a closer thorough examination.

Xavfra:



I.dont know if I should insult you or.....

Carry this white MF out of here....when he brings peace to the middle east where he comes from,he should then go and sleep

CAPSLOCKED:


THEY'RE MESSING UP OUR THREAD AND RELIGION. BUT ONCE IRRELIGIOUS PEOPLE MAKE IT TO THEIRS THEY REMEMBER RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE AND OTHER NONSENSE THEY TALK ABOUT. HISTORY SHOWS CHRISTIANS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOUNDARIES. THEY WANT THEIR RELIGION TO BE RESPECTED AND ABSOLVED FROM CRITICISMS BUT ALWAYS WANT TO ENFORCE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEMSELVES ON EVERYONE ELSE.

PAGAN9JA:


The point herein is that Pagan Animist Tribal religions are not like abrahamic religions.

They are deeply intertwined with our indigenous culture and independent ideology and thought process.

For example, it is because of our indigenous religion that many of our indigenous animals and plants have survived and been protected in sacred groves and totemic reverence.

When we talking about traditional religion we are talking about preserving our natural ecosystem and (tribal) societal balance as well.

Therefore it becomes of utmost importance to preserve them.


Our natural religions are non-proselytizing so they can co-exist harmoniously with any religion. As a Pagan I can visit a mosque and church although I prefer not to because I don't get back the same respect for my beliefs and culture in return.

Animism is Spiritual Sciences . It keeps our mind open to the existence of unlimited posibilities. What you are inferring about religious is based on your exposure to an abrahamic upbringing and environment so you don't really understand where we are coming from.

When I read your tirade on Wole Soyinka I understood that you don't understand his ideology. It is the same as ours. Ogun is a part of his existence. Whether he worships it or not he respects and participates in it.

As a born Pagan I never went through any process of conversion. I joined my people in local festivals and rituals and that was it. It is a part of our natural unique existence.

Many of the great Greek scientists such as Archimedes, Aristotle, Pythagoras, Euclids etc., were fervent Pagans themselves. There spirituality never interfered with their quest for science as there was no dictat to stop them in their pursuit. These are entirely two different subject matters.

Indigenous religion leads to Nationalism and anti-colonialism but unfortunetly it was stunted at a very early phase in Nigeria and Africa as a whole. (Although there were isolated cases as well where indigenous religion took on an anti-colonial role).

Japan and India capitalized on using traditional religion as a catalyst to sucessfully inspire anti-colonialism just as the UK and Western Europe used christianity to justify colonialism. We were too late and divided in this race because we could not recognize our diverse similarities and forge it into a unified force.

In conclusion, I would say it is better to recinstrct traditional religion and reform it keeping core concepts intact.


Africans and human beings in general need spirituality in their lives. This is practical. We need to decolonize and opt for the best alternative that suits our natural psych. Our ancestors already laid out the pathway for us. We just need to believe in ourselves.

Phut:


LMAO

solite3:
I will be happy to be insulted for Jesus sake. There can not be peace in this world not only the middle east until humans turn to the true God.

Isaiah 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

It is a personal decision

PAGAN9JA:


Better to ignore them I feel. They just need attention to fuel their ignorance and arrogance.

CAPSLOCKED:


THEY'RE MESSING UP OUR THREAD AND RELIGION. BUT ONCE IRRELIGIOUS PEOPLE MAKE IT TO THEIRS THEY REMEMBER RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE AND OTHER NONSENSE THEY TALK ABOUT. HISTORY SHOWS CHRISTIANS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOUNDARIES. THEY WANT THEIR RELIGION TO BE RESPECTED AND ABSOLVED FROM CRITICISMS BUT ALWAYS WANT TO ENFORCE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEMSELVES ON EVERYONE ELSE.

Xmuslim:
stop quoting this story book as if it is the ultimate truth. It is nauseating. I don't follow any religion, but I prefer this local gods to your jesus

solite3:

But your local gods are nothing but wood, metals and stones etc, Is it not foolish to worship inanimate object made like animals and four footed beast?

descarado:

There is one I have visited in my village as a kid( we usually fetch firewood at the back. Big thick forest). I can remember seeing some old women always sweeping that big shrine. Everywhere is carved. Those carvings reminded me of st Peter's basilica in Rome. There is one kindergarten hall built there outside the shrine. The artefacts in that shrine are still preserved till date.

Sheunma:
We need to have more of these in this section.

solite3:

But your local gods are nothing but wood, metals and stones etc, Is it not foolish to worship inanimate object made like animals and four footed beast?

gensteejay:

But you're worshipping a human nailed to the cross like a common criminal? Your fictitious Jesus couldn't even save himself from being humiliated and crucified like criminals.

PAGAN9JA:


Wow! Interesting. That must be one of the few surviving old Mbari Shrines.

If you ever go there, do care to share with us some pictures and information you obtain from there. That would be helpful.

PAGAN9JA:


The idol is an object used to aid/in worship. It is a ritual object. It is a tangible (material) item used to symbolize and represent an intangible element (a spirit).

Just as your National Flag represents your Nation; So does the idol represent the God.


Just as you would dare not step on your nation's flag or your holy book; one being a symbolic representation of the nation, the other of your god, so too we revere our idols as they become what they represent. They are our connection to the spiritual realm.

Although as Pagans we believe that a spirit/spiritual force is present in everything around us, when we worship the idol, we do not worship the wood/stone itself but what it represents (The Spirit). Over time, the idol becomes sacred but the spirit resides within the idol,i.e., it is represented by the idol.

We humans give life to our Gods and they infuse life into us. It works both ways.

solite3:
Jesus did that for me because he loved me, what has your your god done for you?

solite3:
Dont die without Christ

solite3:
Dont die without Christ