nencounter10:



He is not wrong.
Your assertion if for those who are already born again Christians before getting married. If the person already has more than one wife before giving his life to Christ, he can retain them but he cannever occupy any leadership position in the church 1Timothy 3;1-13

God bless you for rightly dividing the word of truth

HeavenlyHolines:
The bible is our standard and Jesus is our role model. Going to church, giving alms,singing Christian songs or bearing a Christian name doesn't make u a Christian (Christ like). The bible is a against polygamy. No matter who u are,God is a respecter of nobody. Once u repent, u must do restitution. So if u have more than one wife,d one u pay her bride price first is d wife God recognised others will have to find the square root. Don't say our ancestors or grand parents did this or that. God will judge based on his word

Brother in Christ restitution is only done on property or money and not on wives.thanks

quote author=HeavenlyHolines post=94125344]The bible is our standard and Jesus is our role model. Going to church, giving alms,singing Christian songs or bearing a Christian name doesn't make u a Christian (Christ like). The bible is a against polygamy. No matter who u are,God is a respecter of nobody. Once u repent, u must do restitution. So if u have more than one wife,d one u pay her bride price first is d wife God recognised others will have to find the square root. Don't say our ancestors or grand parents did this or that. God will judge based on his word

Where in the Bible, and under the new covenant, is a Christian mandated to do restitution?

Brachaa:
He'll send the other two away and retain the first legally married woman if she willing to abide with him.

Keeping all three spells adultry. so they have to be discharged but it should be done amicably.

Please where is it written in the Bible that he should divorce the others, or possibly send them away.
And what do you mean by amicably done?

gbowoade85142:
He'll send the variety two away and retain the prior legally married person if she desire to abide with him.Keeping all three seasons adultry.so they haveto be discharged but it should be done amicably.

Mmh...

Brachaa:



Wrong!

A christian is not permitted to marry more than one wife. The Bible says,
"A man shall live his mother and father and be cleaved to his wife (not wives ) and they two ( not three) shall become one".

Please can you show me a place in the Bible where God was annoyed with any one that married more than one wife?

Possibly show me a biblical law where it is expressly stated, prohibiting the marriage of more than one wife (SIN)

nencounter10:



No, he doesn't need to send them away. He keep them ,but he cannot hold any leadership position in the church 1Timothy 3: 1-13

The question is why can't he hold a leadership position?

HeavenlyHolines:
The bible is our standard and Jesus is our role model. Going to church, giving alms,singing Christian songs or bearing a Christian name doesn't make u a Christian (Christ like). The bible is a against polygamy. No matter who u are,God is a respecter of nobody. Once u repent, u must do restitution. So if u have more than one wife,d one u pay her bride price first is d wife God recognised others will have to find the square root. Don't say our ancestors or grand parents did this or that. God will judge based on his word

Please give us biblical references and possibly quotations to support your view

akan102:

Please give us biblical references and possibly quotations to support your view

Jesus preached and taught so many things about Paradise, though the churches are more concerned with the punishment stuff rather than what God had in mind in the beginning, but if Jesus is the one God presented as his only begotten son and Jesus spoke of marriage as something to be thoroughly meditated upon based on what God set as standard from the beginning. Then all those going contrary to the A&E setting of one man one wife have totally gone off course!

In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.

madegreatbygrace:




Where in the Bible, and under the new covenant, is a Christian mandated to do restitution?

In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.
In the new testament, the Apostles fully understand Christ's teaching on marriage, divorce, polygamy etc. and so they were very careful not to entertain such unlike what you have in the old testament which was the Mosaic law. As a Christian, it's one man and one wife not wives and that is why the bible said 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. that means d old tradition and lifestyle or practiced of the world should be clearly done away. U can't see Christian (born again) man born n call of God in the new testament with wives. Shalom

akan102:

Please give us biblical references and possibly quotations to support your view

Read about Abimelech to Abraham and Isaac in Genesis, u will see another case of restitution, read about 1 Corinthians chapter 5, u will see another case of it. Restitution comes in different forms and ways. For example, Imagine as a born again child of God and you are married to a divorcee without knowing, once the true comes out and you fully know that she is a divorcee, u are suppose to leave her because she is another man's wife. That is restitution. Making wrong right.

Ezekiel36vs28:
Brother in Christ restitution is only done on property or money and not on wives.thanks

akan102:


The question is why can't he hold a leadership position?

Because marrying one wife is God's perfect will for man. He is not in God's perfect will. He is not a good role model.

tonyson010:



Y do you think that he shouldn't hold an office in the church

1Tim 3:2: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

1Tim 3:12: "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."

Tit 1:6: "If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly."

Careful not to form human rules and ascribe it to God.

A simple rule you can use to know if an act is a sin or not.
1. Moral Sin is not dispensation specific:
It cannot be a sin in the old testament and be righteousness in the new testament and vice versa!
2. Moral Sin is not Culture specific:
It cannot be a sin in Nigeria but a sin in America. It cannot be a sin in Israel and not be a sin in Ghana.
3. Moral Sin is not permissible irrespective of clan, age or pedigree:
It doesn't respect who you are. A President is not absolved of fornication because he is a president, neither is a pauper absolved of theft because of poverty

If you agree with the 3 points above, use it to decipher what is a sin or not especially if the bible is not emphatically vocal about it.

However, a true Christian live by this dogma even in the face of what is permissible but not expedient

1Cor 6:12:
"All things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

gbowoade85142:
He'll send the variety two away and retain the prior legally married person if she desire to abide with him.Keeping all three seasons adultry.so they haveto be discharged but it should be done amicably.

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HeavenlyHolines:
The bible is our standard and Jesus is our role model. Going to church, giving alms,singing Christian songs or bearing a Christian name doesn't make u a Christian (Christ like). The bible is a against polygamy. No matter who u are,God is a respecter of nobody. Once u repent, u must do restitution. So if u have more than one wife,d one u pay her bride price first is d wife God recognised others will have to find the square root. Don't say our ancestors or grand parents did this or that. God will judge based on his word

AkinwaleJJ:


Jesus preached and taught so many things about Paradise, though the churches are more concerned with the punishment stuff rather than what God had in mind in the beginning, but if Jesus is the one God presented as his only begotten son and Jesus spoke of marriage as something to be thoroughly meditated upon based on what God set as standard from the beginning. Then all those going contrary to the A&E setting of one man one wife have totally gone off course!

The bible specifically addressed this scenario using a woman as a case study.
1. A woman who has an unbeliving husband should not separate from him except the man doesn't want her again
2. Only the unbelieving husband may put away his spouse on the guise of Christianity and then the believer will be free!

1Cor 7:13-15:
"And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace."

Application:
A man who becomes a Christian after marrying four wives cannot divorce them. However, the unbelieving wives could on their own choose to divorce him and as such, he would be free from the marriage with her.

Thanks Bro!

your twisting of the bible is confusing coz i didn't see wives there. Let me ask u some questions:
(1) If as an unbeliever you are aware i mean u have fore knowledge about biblical doctrine concerning marriage that God is against polygamy and u went ahead to marry wives If man becomes born again, what should the person do to the wives?
(2) s=Since u said the man can't divorce them or the wives can freely divorce them, can he still be making love to them?

shadeyinka:
Careful not to form human rules and ascribe it to God.

A simple rule you can use to know if an act is a sin or not.
1. Moral Sin is not dispensation specific:
It cannot be a sin in the old testament and be righteousness in the new testament and vice versa!
2. Moral Sin is not Culture specific:
It cannot be a sin in Nigeria but a sin in America. It cannot be a sin in Israel and not be a sin in Ghana.
3. Moral Sin is not permissible irrespective of clan, age or pedigree:
It doesn't respect who you are. A President is not absolved of fornication because he is a president, neither is a pauper absolved of theft because of poverty

If you agree with the 3 points above, use it to decipher what is a sin or not especially if the bible is not emphatically vocal about it.

However, a true Christian live by this dogma even in the face of what is permissible but not expedient

1Cor 6:12:
"All things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

...






The bible specifically addressed this scenario using a woman as a case study.
1. A woman who has an unbeliving husband should not separate from him except the man doesn't want her again
2. Only the unbelieving husband may put away his spouse on the guise of Christianity and then the believer will be free!

1Cor 7:13-15:
"And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace."

Application:
A man who becomes a Christian after marrying four wives cannot divorce them. However, the unbelieving wives could on their own choose to divorce him and as such, he would be free from the marriage with her.

Thanks Bro!

shadeyinka:
Careful not to form human rules and ascribe it to God.

A simple rule you can use to know if an act is a sin or not.
1. Moral Sin is not dispensation specific:
It cannot be a sin in the old testament and be righteousness in the new testament and vice versa!
2. Moral Sin is not Culture specific:
It cannot be a sin in Nigeria but a sin in America. It cannot be a sin in Israel and not be a sin in Ghana.
3. Moral Sin is not permissible irrespective of clan, age or pedigree:
It doesn't respect who you are. A President is not absolved of fornication because he is a president, neither is a pauper absolved of theft because of poverty

If you agree with the 3 points above, use it to decipher what is a sin or not especially if the bible is not emphatically vocal about it.

However, a true Christian live by this dogma even in the face of what is permissible but not expedient

1Cor 6:12:
"All things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

...






The bible specifically addressed this scenario using a woman as a case study.
1. A woman who has an unbeliving husband should not separate from him except the man doesn't want her again
2. Only the unbelieving husband may put away his spouse on the guise of Christianity and then the believer will be free!

1Cor 7:13-15:
"And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace."

Application:
A man who becomes a Christian after marrying four wives cannot divorce them. However, the unbelieving wives could on their own choose to divorce him and as such, he would be free from the marriage with her.

Thanks Bro!

The admonition is not about divorcing them!

But having no sex with them!

We are here talking about adultery and this has to do with sleeping with a woman to whom you're not legally married, Jesus' spoke of Adam and Eve as the standard, then if a man had four wives before becoming a Christian he must stick to his Eve and leave the rest.
This doesn't mean he won't care for them and their children anymore since he's been doing so for long. It's the sexual relationship that is no more part of what's binding them to keep to the scriptural injunction regarding adultery.
Most people often refer to pre-christian servants of God that were polygamous, forgetting that those people would have loved to hear from the wonderful counselor what they need to do to qualify for everlasting life!

HeavenlyHolines:
In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.
In the new testament, the Apostles fully understand Christ's teaching on marriage, divorce, polygamy etc. and so they were very careful not to entertain such unlike what you have in the old testament which was the Mosaic law. As a Christian, it's one man and one wife not wives and that is why the bible said 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. that means d old tradition and lifestyle or practiced of the world should be clearly done away. U can't see Christian (born again) man born n call of God in the new testament with wives. Shalom

Brother in Christ, this assertion is wrong. The true meaning of one wife to one husband applies to people who repent before going for marriage. When you talk about sending away the other wives, what happens to the children? How do you restitute for them?

Wisdom is profitable!

HeavenlyHolines:
your twisting of the bible is confusing coz i didn't see wives there. Let me ask u some questions:
(1) If as an unbeliever you are aware i mean u have fore knowledge about biblical doctrine concerning marriage that God is against polygamy and u went ahead to marry wives If man becomes born again, what should the person do to the wives?
(2) s=Since u said the man can't divorce them or the wives can freely divorce them, can he still be making love to them?

I wish you weren't as sentimental on this issue. Let's see what the Bible says and apply the three rules

2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."

1. Your question 1.
An unbeliever cannot understand the scriptures nor obey it. Everything he does before becoming born again is done in ignorance.
1Cor 2:14:
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
2. Your question 2:
Since the believer cannot divorce them because they are his wives he has to continue to perform his conjugal duties to them.
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."

AkinwaleJJ:


The admonition is not about divorcing them!

But having no sex with them!

We are here talking about adultery and this has to do with sleeping with a woman to whom you're not legally married, Jesus' spoke of Adam and Eve as the standard, then if a man had four wives before becoming a Christian he must stick to his Eve and leave the rest.
This doesn't mean he won't care for them and their children anymore since he's been doing so for long. It's the sexual relationship that is no more part of what's binding them to keep to the scriptural injunction regarding adultery.
Most people often refer to pre-christian servants of God that were polygamous, forgetting that those people would have loved to hear from the wonderful counselor what they need to do to qualify for everlasting life!

Adultery can only exist when a man/woman has sex with anyone he is NOT married to!
It is impossible to commit adultery with your wife.

In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?

Check out what God Himself said concerning David

2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."

I wish you can support your first @bold with a scripture!

The part you gave concerning David and Saul during the law which was before Christ came and gave us the bible injunction on marriage. I don't want to argue with u much coz I also ask my pastor friend in redeemed which also attest to what I was saying. If you believe that a man can accommodate more than one wife even after he is born again, good and wife.
The other part u quoted from d bible,the Bible was saying wife not wives. So I don't know where u saw husband performed his conjugal functions to his wives. Anywhere, u see husbands, u will see wives n vice versa. I am done with this argument

shadeyinka:

I wish you weren't as sentimental on this issue. Let's see what the Bible says and apply the three rules

2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."

1. Your question 1.
An unbeliever cannot understand the scriptures nor obey it. Everything he does before becoming born again is done in ignorance.
1Cor 2:14:
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
2. Your question 2:
Since the believer cannot divorce them because they are his wives he has to continue to perform his conjugal duties to them.
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."

shadeyinka:

Adultery can only exist when a man/woman has sex with anyone he is NOT married to!
It is impossible to commit adultery with your wife.

In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?

Check out what God Himself said concerning David

2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."

I wish you can support your first @bold with a scripture!

Please Ma, sex with multiple partners is the bone of contention here. Many people engaged in this act legally or illegally but God's son said in the beginning things weren't so.
David was a man after God's heart but he was a killer. Jesus never said much about the condition these pre-christian servants of God are presently but he made it clear that no man can come to the father except through him, this is clear indication that all those who lived before Jesus still have a lot to learn from him if they want to live forever.
None of those who lived before Jesus qualifies for God's Kingdom yet because to enter, they must concur to the counsel of God's only begotten son. He said "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and stick to his wife" (singular)
None of those who engaged in polygamy had a peaceful matrimony, sign polygamy is evil.
True followers don't expect Jesus to say everything but once he makes a statement they build on his words to decipher their next line of action. God will not come down to human's standard so if we want to live forever, we must do all we can to abide by the standard he set in the beginning.

AkinwaleJJ:


Please Ma, sex with multiple partners is the bone of contention here. Many people engaged in this act legally or illegally but God's son said in the beginning things weren't so.
David was a man after God's heart but he was a killer. Jesus never said much about the condition these pre-christian servants of God are presently but he made it clear that no man can come to the father except through him, this is clear indication that all those who lived before Jesus still have a lot to learn from him if they want to live forever.
None of those who lived before Jesus qualifies for God's Kingdom yet because to enter, they must concur to the counsel of God's only begotten son. He said "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and stick to his wife" (singular)
None of those who engaged in polygamy had a peaceful matrimony, sign polygamy is evil.
True followers don't expect Jesus to say everything but once he makes a statement they build on his words to decipher their next line of action. God will not come down to human's standard so if we want to live forever, we must do all we can to abide by the standard he set in the beginning.

We are not talking of what a Christian man should do: of course, stick to his wife (singular). We are talking about what a man who had 3-4 wives should do when he comes to know Christ
1. Divorce his wives?
2. Remain with his wives?

I asked you a question that you've not answered

In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?

What's your take on this?

Jesus did not marry!
Is this not supposed to be our perfect example!?
The letters indeed kill!

HeavenlyHolines:
The part you gave concerning David and Saul during the law which was before Christ came and gave us the bible injunction on marriage. I don't want to argue with u much coz I also ask my pastor friend in redeemed which also attest to what I was saying. If you believe that a man can accommodate more than one wife even after he is born again, good and wife.
The other part u quoted from d bible,the Bible was saying wife not wives. So I don't know where u saw husband performed his conjugal functions to his wives. Anywhere, u see husbands, u will see wives n vice versa. I am done with this argument

Are you of the opinion that some moral laws have been abrogated since the old testament times? Are there some moral acts that used NOT to be a sin but now, they are sins?

Conjugal rights is in the scripture below:
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."


God said: I hate divorce!

Mal 2:16:
""For I hate divorce," says the Lord, the God of Israel. "And I hate the man who does wrong to his wife," says the Lord of All. "So be careful in your spirit, and be one who can be trusted.""
1 Cor 7:27:
"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

How come you advocate divorce?

shadeyinka:

We are not talking of what a Christian man should do: of course, stick to his wife (singular). We are talking about what a man who had 3-4 wives should do when he comes to know Christ
1. Divorce his wives?
2. Remain with his wives?

I asked you a question that you've not answered

What's your take on this?

Jesus did not marry!
Is this not supposed to be our perfect example!?
The letters indeed kill!

I think you know why Jesus never married, because he is not from this source! John 8:23

But for all those who wish to continue living on this planet, they must stick to the standard God set in the beginning (one Adam and one Eve)

AkinwaleJJ:


I think you know why Jesus never married, because he is not from this source! John 8:23

But for all those who wish to continue living on this planet, they must stick to the standard God set in the beginning (one Adam and one Eve)

But PAUL was celibate
1Cor 7:1,7:
"Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. … For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man has his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."

The question again:
In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?
What's your take on this?

shadeyinka:

But PAUL was celibate
1Cor 7:1,7:
"Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. … For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man has his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."

The question again:
In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?
What's your take on this?

Muslims are human like you and i, they are Adam's descendants too, this means if they've made mistakes in the past they can make sacrifices to amend their ways before God.
The rich young ruler Jesus asked to go sell all his belongings and distribute it to the poor didn't steal those things because he's been keeping God's laws right from his youth up!
If Jesus could say this man can't enter God's Kingdom, then it's evident that whoever thinks he is OK with his past life without preparedness to concur to whatever Jesus says has a big problem.
Once you're married or known as husband to one woman, then any other woman is just an intruder, so if you now want to amend your ways with God through Christ's teachings you must be prepared to let go!
Remember Paradise is not for stiff-neckedness but those who are willing to pay any price which includes giving it all it takes to fit in the coming system of things. Regarding this Jesus said it was not so in the beginning!
Adam never had sex with any other woman apart from his Eve, that's the standard!

AkinwaleJJ:


Muslims are human like you and i, they are Adam's descendants too, this means if they've made mistakes in the past they can make sacrifices to amend their ways before God.
The rich young ruler Jesus asked to go sell all his belongings and distribute it to the poor didn't steal those things because he's been keeping God's laws right from his youth up!
If Jesus could say this man can't enter God's Kingdom, then it's evident that whoever thinks he is OK with his past life without preparedness to concur to whatever Jesus says has a big problem.
Once you're married or known as husband to one woman, then any other woman is just an intruder, so if you now want to amend your ways with God through Christ's teachings you must be prepared to let go!
Remember Paradise is not for stiff-neckedness but those who are willing to pay any price which includes giving it all it takes to fit in the coming system of things. Regarding this Jesus said it was not so in the beginning!
Adam never had sex with any other woman apart from his Eve, that's the standard!

Did Adam have any other choice?

It seems you believe there are some sins that exist now but didn't exist in the biblical times? God allowed the sin of polygamy in the past but no more. Is this your position?

Okay!
Let's assume that this Imam who had 4 wives came to know Jesus: what should he do to inherit eternal life?

The question again:
In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?
What's your take on this?

akan102:


The question is why can't he hold a leadership position?

In the first century only born again christians takes leadership positions. Jesus said they will not be married when they get to heaven. But if they're already married then it must be someone who have deep respect for God's original standard for marriage!

shadeyinka:

Did Adam have any other choice?

NO! Because the one who planned marriage in the beginning never gave such options.

It seems you believe there are some sins that exist now but didn't exist in the biblical times? God allowed the sin of polygamy in the past but no more. Is this your position?

God overlooked so many things since it's still bearable until the saviour comes to tell us what we must do to gain access into God's Kingdom! John 4:25

Okay!
Let's assume that this Imam who had 4 wives came to know Jesus: what should he do to inherit eternal life?

Learn from Christians the standard God set in the beginning and make reinstitution, God's Kingdom is coming and only those fully prepared for it will be ushered in, there's no Adam with two Eves in God's gardenlike Paradise.

The question again:
In your man made doctrine, you forgot to answer the question:
1. "Who joined this Muslim to his first wife?"
2. Extending your logic, can we say that this man was never married to anyone of the four wives?
What's your take on this?

Remove the underlined before you can expect me to address that, we are chatting on what we understood after considering the scriptures, so it's not proper tagging another person's comment as man-made doctrines, God created one Adam one Eve, it's sinners (Adam's descendants) who went off course pleasing their fleshly desires. So if we're now deliberating on the way forward you shouldn't be insulting others by calling their own understanding "man-made doctrines"

quote author=HeavenlyHolines post=94145837]In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.

You have not stated , where in the Bible, we’re equivocally commanded to restitute. When i say “we”, i mean christians under the new covenant. Restitution was given as a law to the Jews under the old covenant. In the case of Zacchaeus, you must observe two things.

1. Zacchaeus was not a Christian, but a jew, and so was bound by Old Testament laws.

2. Jesus didn’t command Zacchaeus to do restitution. He offered to do it himself.

God law clearly state that one man, one wife. So any other wives shouldn't cohabit with the first wife that was married legally or traditionally. I used divorce there just like separation. I think that is fine. if you don't agree, no problem. thanks and God bless u.

shadeyinka:

Are you of the opinion that some moral laws have been abrogated since the old testament times? Are there some moral acts that used NOT to be a sin but now, they are sins?

Conjugal rights is in the scripture below:
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."


God said: I hate divorce!

Mal 2:16:
""For I hate divorce," says the Lord, the God of Israel. "And I hate the man who does wrong to his wife," says the Lord of All. "So be careful in your spirit, and be one who can be trusted.""
1 Cor 7:27:
"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

How come you advocate divorce?